• Something New For 2024

    From youngblood8116@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 29 11:06:12 2023
    TCSC has a new plan for the Soaring Safari for 2024, as usual we are planning for a dynamic event. Still a few details to be worked out and more will follow when the updates are finalized.
    As most know we pride ourselves on flying nice and challenging triangles here on the Treasure Coast, flying up and down Hwy 27 seems a bit boring and doing the same old thing over and over is not very challenging.
    For the 24 Safari we are planning a 5 day event where one chooses their own triangle and competes against others based on triangle size and speed along with a few other parameters. Yes, handicaps will be in effect and even motorgliders are welcome, just
    make sure in get in line for your takeoff.
    More details to follow, flying deep into the Everglades will be expected and Threading The Needle will be an added bonus. OBTP

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  • From Eric Greenwell@21:1/5 to youngbl...@gmail.com on Sat Jul 29 15:38:01 2023
    On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 11:06:15 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
    TCSC has a new plan for the Soaring Safari for 2024, as usual we are planning for a dynamic event. Still a few details to be worked out and more will follow when the updates are finalized.
    As most know we pride ourselves on flying nice and challenging triangles here on the Treasure Coast, flying up and down Hwy 27 seems a bit boring and doing the same old thing over and over is not very challenging.
    For the 24 Safari we are planning a 5 day event where one chooses their own triangle and competes against others based on triangle size and speed along with a few other parameters. Yes, handicaps will be in effect and even motorgliders are welcome,
    just make sure in get in line for your takeoff.
    More details to follow, flying deep into the Everglades will be expected and Threading The Needle will be an added bonus. OBTP
    What do you call it when a group of gliders and the towplane fly from one place to another place, then repeat that a few times? That would be very different from what you are promoting, so maybe it would that be called a Soaring Camp? Or maybe Soaring
    Camps, since more than one place is involved?

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  • From youngblood8116@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Eric Greenwell on Sat Jul 29 17:05:01 2023
    On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 6:38:04 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
    On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 11:06:15 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
    TCSC has a new plan for the Soaring Safari for 2024, as usual we are planning for a dynamic event. Still a few details to be worked out and more will follow when the updates are finalized.
    As most know we pride ourselves on flying nice and challenging triangles here on the Treasure Coast, flying up and down Hwy 27 seems a bit boring and doing the same old thing over and over is not very challenging.
    For the 24 Safari we are planning a 5 day event where one chooses their own triangle and competes against others based on triangle size and speed along with a few other parameters. Yes, handicaps will be in effect and even motorgliders are welcome,
    just make sure in get in line for your takeoff.
    More details to follow, flying deep into the Everglades will be expected and Threading The Needle will be an added bonus. OBTP
    What do you call it when a group of gliders and the towplane fly from one place to another place, then repeat that a few times? That would be very different from what you are promoting, so maybe it would that be called a Soaring Camp? Or maybe Soaring
    Camps, since more than one place is involved?
    Eric, we call ours a SAFARI, you call your what you want. How long had you been flying a motorglider prior to writing your book?
    You are not on the invitation list, if you would like to participate we could probably make room, you would have to fly instead of working on your motorglider. Peanut butter goes a long way, probably enough for both you and Terrible Tommy. OBTP

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  • From Eric Greenwell@21:1/5 to youngbl...@gmail.com on Sat Jul 29 21:04:59 2023
    On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 5:05:03 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 6:38:04 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
    On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 11:06:15 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
    TCSC has a new plan for the Soaring Safari for 2024, as usual we are planning for a dynamic event. Still a few details to be worked out and more will follow when the updates are finalized.
    As most know we pride ourselves on flying nice and challenging triangles here on the Treasure Coast, flying up and down Hwy 27 seems a bit boring and doing the same old thing over and over is not very challenging.
    For the 24 Safari we are planning a 5 day event where one chooses their own triangle and competes against others based on triangle size and speed along with a few other parameters. Yes, handicaps will be in effect and even motorgliders are welcome,
    just make sure in get in line for your takeoff.
    More details to follow, flying deep into the Everglades will be expected and Threading The Needle will be an added bonus. OBTP
    What do you call it when a group of gliders and the towplane fly from one place to another place, then repeat that a few times? That would be very different from what you are promoting, so maybe it would that be called a Soaring Camp? Or maybe
    Soaring Camps, since more than one place is involved?
    Eric, we call ours a SAFARI, you call your what you want. How long had you been flying a motorglider prior to writing your book?
    You are not on the invitation list, if you would like to participate we could probably make room, you would have to fly instead of working on your motorglider. Peanut butter goes a long way, probably enough for both you and Terrible Tommy. OBTP
    If you ever have a "serial soaring camp", where a group of gliders and the towplane fly from one place to another place then repeat that the next day or two, let me know; meanwhile, I'll just SAFARI at a local airport :^)

    I think I had my motorglider about 7 years before I wrote the first edition, which was specific to the ASH26E. It's now in the 4th edition, and about 5 times the size of the first. I'm thinking of producing a 5th edition this winter, to include electric
    gliders.

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  • From youngblood8116@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Eric Greenwell on Sun Jul 30 02:58:46 2023
    On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 12:05:02 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
    On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 5:05:03 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 6:38:04 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
    On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 11:06:15 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
    TCSC has a new plan for the Soaring Safari for 2024, as usual we are planning for a dynamic event. Still a few details to be worked out and more will follow when the updates are finalized.
    As most know we pride ourselves on flying nice and challenging triangles here on the Treasure Coast, flying up and down Hwy 27 seems a bit boring and doing the same old thing over and over is not very challenging.
    For the 24 Safari we are planning a 5 day event where one chooses their own triangle and competes against others based on triangle size and speed along with a few other parameters. Yes, handicaps will be in effect and even motorgliders are
    welcome, just make sure in get in line for your takeoff.
    More details to follow, flying deep into the Everglades will be expected and Threading The Needle will be an added bonus. OBTP
    What do you call it when a group of gliders and the towplane fly from one place to another place, then repeat that a few times? That would be very different from what you are promoting, so maybe it would that be called a Soaring Camp? Or maybe
    Soaring Camps, since more than one place is involved?
    Eric, we call ours a SAFARI, you call your what you want. How long had you been flying a motorglider prior to writing your book?
    You are not on the invitation list, if you would like to participate we could probably make room, you would have to fly instead of working on your motorglider. Peanut butter goes a long way, probably enough for both you and Terrible Tommy. OBTP
    If you ever have a "serial soaring camp", where a group of gliders and the towplane fly from one place to another place then repeat that the next day or two, let me know; meanwhile, I'll just SAFARI at a local airport :^)

    I think I had my motorglider about 7 years before I wrote the first edition, which was specific to the ASH26E. It's now in the 4th edition, and about 5 times the size of the first. I'm thinking of producing a 5th edition this winter, to include
    electric gliders.
    Eric maybe you should contact Apple and advise them that their use of the word Safari is in your opinion used incorrectly, they, just like myself could care less. OBTP

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  • From Dan Marotta@21:1/5 to Eric Greenwell on Sun Jul 30 10:09:21 2023
    I've done three week-long soaring safaris; two using a 1,000' rope for
    ground launching and the other using a self-launcher. In each case we
    used public use airports except for the initial start. One of those
    airports was Gallup, NM, and airport with a tower and airline traffic
    and we blended in without difficulty. A simple chat with the tower was
    all that it took and they graciously allowed us to ground launch the
    next morning. The daily task was to fly in the direction suggested by
    the weather.

    One of us would fly and the other would pull the trailer after securing
    the launch gear. The trailer would chase the glider and we'd box it,
    spend the night, and the next day swap seats and repeat.

    It would have been great to have more than two participants on these
    trips but it seemed that nobody else was willing or able to spend a week
    on the road.

    Anyone remember the border to border flights from Texas to Canada?
    That's what's needed. How about Florida to Canada?

    Dan
    5J

    On 7/29/23 22:04, Eric Greenwell wrote:
    If you ever have a "serial soaring camp", where a group of gliders and the towplane fly from one place to another place then repeat that the next day or two, let me know; meanwhile,

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  • From Eric Greenwell@21:1/5 to Dan Marotta on Sun Jul 30 09:59:00 2023
    On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 9:09:26 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
    I've done three week-long soaring safaris; two using a 1,000' rope for ground launching and the other using a self-launcher. In each case we
    used public use airports except for the initial start. One of those
    airports was Gallup, NM, and airport with a tower and airline traffic
    and we blended in without difficulty. A simple chat with the tower was
    all that it took and they graciously allowed us to ground launch the
    next morning. The daily task was to fly in the direction suggested by
    the weather.

    One of us would fly and the other would pull the trailer after securing
    the launch gear. The trailer would chase the glider and we'd box it,
    spend the night, and the next day swap seats and repeat.

    It would have been great to have more than two participants on these
    trips but it seemed that nobody else was willing or able to spend a week
    on the road.

    Anyone remember the border to border flights from Texas to Canada?
    That's what's needed. How about Florida to Canada?

    Dan
    5J
    On 7/29/23 22:04, Eric Greenwell wrote:
    If you ever have a "serial soaring camp", where a group of gliders and the towplane fly from one place to another place then repeat that the next day or two, let me know; meanwhile,
    Now THAT'S a safari: a glider, a rope, and two wild and crazy guys! And, of course, so were the Border to Border flights, with most magnificent being the Texas to Alaska safari (maybe "expedition" would be more accurate, as they had no ground support) of
    Winfried Boos and Fritz Schneider, two Germans flying ASH26Es. Boos and Schneider also did safaris across Europe (relatively easy) and northern Africa, where great preparation was required. They were most active in the 1990s and early 2000's.

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  • From Dan Marotta@21:1/5 to Dan Marotta on Sun Jul 30 12:44:06 2023
    I should have said: "Didn't those TWO guys go down TO the southern tip
    of South America, TOO?"

    I could have used all of the synonyms.

    Dan
    5J

    On 7/30/23 12:42, Dan Marotta wrote:
    Didn't those guys go down to the southern tip of South America, too?

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  • From Dan Marotta@21:1/5 to Eric Greenwell on Sun Jul 30 12:42:07 2023
    Didn't those guys go down to the southern tip of South America, too?

    Dan
    5J

    On 7/30/23 10:59, Eric Greenwell wrote:
    On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 9:09:26 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
    I've done three week-long soaring safaris; two using a 1,000' rope for
    ground launching and the other using a self-launcher. In each case we
    used public use airports except for the initial start. One of those
    airports was Gallup, NM, and airport with a tower and airline traffic
    and we blended in without difficulty. A simple chat with the tower was
    all that it took and they graciously allowed us to ground launch the
    next morning. The daily task was to fly in the direction suggested by
    the weather.

    One of us would fly and the other would pull the trailer after securing
    the launch gear. The trailer would chase the glider and we'd box it,
    spend the night, and the next day swap seats and repeat.

    It would have been great to have more than two participants on these
    trips but it seemed that nobody else was willing or able to spend a week
    on the road.

    Anyone remember the border to border flights from Texas to Canada?
    That's what's needed. How about Florida to Canada?

    Dan
    5J
    On 7/29/23 22:04, Eric Greenwell wrote:
    If you ever have a "serial soaring camp", where a group of gliders and the towplane fly from one place to another place then repeat that the next day or two, let me know; meanwhile,
    Now THAT'S a safari: a glider, a rope, and two wild and crazy guys! And, of course, so were the Border to Border flights, with most magnificent being the Texas to Alaska safari (maybe "expedition" would be more accurate, as they had no ground support)
    of Winfried Boos and Fritz Schneider, two Germans flying ASH26Es. Boos and Schneider also did safaris across Europe (relatively easy) and northern Africa, where great preparation was required. They were most active in the 1990s and early 2000's.

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  • From kinsell@21:1/5 to Dan Marotta on Sun Jul 30 13:47:17 2023
    Alex, I'll take 'homonyms for 400'.

    On 7/30/23 12:44 PM, Dan Marotta wrote:
    I should have said:  "Didn't those TWO guys go down TO the southern tip
    of South America, TOO?"

    I could have used all of the synonyms.

    Dan
    5J

    On 7/30/23 12:42, Dan Marotta wrote:
    Didn't those guys go down to the southern tip of South America, too?

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  • From youngblood8116@gmail.com@21:1/5 to kinsell on Sun Jul 30 13:12:24 2023
    On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 3:47:21 PM UTC-4, kinsell wrote:
    Alex, I'll take 'homonyms for 400'.
    On 7/30/23 12:44 PM, Dan Marotta wrote:
    I should have said: "Didn't those TWO guys go down TO the southern tip
    of South America, TOO?"

    I could have used all of the synonyms.

    Dan
    5J

    On 7/30/23 12:42, Dan Marotta wrote:
    Didn't those guys go down to the southern tip of South America, too?
    Kinsell, I'll take the daily double and call it a Safari. OBTP

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  • From 2G@21:1/5 to youngbl...@gmail.com on Wed Aug 2 20:20:47 2023
    On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 5:05:03 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 6:38:04 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
    On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 11:06:15 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
    TCSC has a new plan for the Soaring Safari for 2024, as usual we are planning for a dynamic event. Still a few details to be worked out and more will follow when the updates are finalized.
    As most know we pride ourselves on flying nice and challenging triangles here on the Treasure Coast, flying up and down Hwy 27 seems a bit boring and doing the same old thing over and over is not very challenging.
    For the 24 Safari we are planning a 5 day event where one chooses their own triangle and competes against others based on triangle size and speed along with a few other parameters. Yes, handicaps will be in effect and even motorgliders are welcome,
    just make sure in get in line for your takeoff.
    More details to follow, flying deep into the Everglades will be expected and Threading The Needle will be an added bonus. OBTP
    What do you call it when a group of gliders and the towplane fly from one place to another place, then repeat that a few times? That would be very different from what you are promoting, so maybe it would that be called a Soaring Camp? Or maybe
    Soaring Camps, since more than one place is involved?
    Eric, we call ours a SAFARI, you call your what you want. How long had you been flying a motorglider prior to writing your book?
    You are not on the invitation list, if you would like to participate we could probably make room, you would have to fly instead of working on your motorglider. Peanut butter goes a long way, probably enough for both you and Terrible Tommy. OBTP

    Hey Boobi, somebody ought to buy you a dictionary. A "safari" is:
    Swahili, journey, from Arabic safarī of a journey
    If you stay in the same place it is far more accurate to call it a "camp."

    Tom 2G

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  • From youngblood8116@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 3 02:18:37 2023
    On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 11:20:50 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:
    On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 5:05:03 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 6:38:04 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
    On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 11:06:15 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
    TCSC has a new plan for the Soaring Safari for 2024, as usual we are planning for a dynamic event. Still a few details to be worked out and more will follow when the updates are finalized.
    As most know we pride ourselves on flying nice and challenging triangles here on the Treasure Coast, flying up and down Hwy 27 seems a bit boring and doing the same old thing over and over is not very challenging.
    For the 24 Safari we are planning a 5 day event where one chooses their own triangle and competes against others based on triangle size and speed along with a few other parameters. Yes, handicaps will be in effect and even motorgliders are
    welcome, just make sure in get in line for your takeoff.
    More details to follow, flying deep into the Everglades will be expected and Threading The Needle will be an added bonus. OBTP
    What do you call it when a group of gliders and the towplane fly from one place to another place, then repeat that a few times? That would be very different from what you are promoting, so maybe it would that be called a Soaring Camp? Or maybe
    Soaring Camps, since more than one place is involved?
    Eric, we call ours a SAFARI, you call your what you want. How long had you been flying a motorglider prior to writing your book?
    You are not on the invitation list, if you would like to participate we could probably make room, you would have to fly instead of working on your motorglider. Peanut butter goes a long way, probably enough for both you and Terrible Tommy. OBTP
    Hey Boobi, somebody ought to buy you a dictionary. A "safari" is:
    Swahili, journey, from Arabic safarī of a journey
    If you stay in the same place it is far more accurate to call it a "camp."

    Tom 2G
    Terrible Tommy, you seem not to understand many topics, Apple used the term Safari as a tool to navigate and explore, that is exactly what we do when we fly here over the swamps of Florida. Since you are so concerned about the Webster meaning there is a
    word that Webster used to describe you, ultracrepidarian, it fits you perfectly.
    Sorry I will be away starting after this post, will return in a couple of days. Old Bob, The Purist

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  • From Bill Hill@21:1/5 to Dan Marotta on Thu Aug 3 06:35:52 2023
    On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 10:09:26 AM UTC-6, Dan Marotta wrote:
    I've done three week-long soaring safaris; two using a 1,000' rope for ground launching and the other using a self-launcher. In each case we
    used public use airports except for the initial start. One of those
    airports was Gallup, NM, and airport with a tower and airline traffic
    and we blended in without difficulty. A simple chat with the tower was
    all that it took and they graciously allowed us to ground launch the
    next morning. The daily task was to fly in the direction suggested by
    the weather.

    One of us would fly and the other would pull the trailer after securing
    the launch gear. The trailer would chase the glider and we'd box it,
    spend the night, and the next day swap seats and repeat.

    It would have been great to have more than two participants on these
    trips but it seemed that nobody else was willing or able to spend a week
    on the road.

    Anyone remember the border to border flights from Texas to Canada?
    That's what's needed. How about Florida to Canada?

    Dan
    5J
    On 7/29/23 22:04, Eric Greenwell wrote:
    If you ever have a "serial soaring camp", where a group of gliders and the towplane fly from one place to another place then repeat that the next day or two, let me know; meanwhile,

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  • From Bill Hill@21:1/5 to Dan Marotta on Thu Aug 3 06:36:39 2023
    On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 12:42:12 PM UTC-6, Dan Marotta wrote:
    Didn't those guys go down to the southern tip of South America, too?

    Dan
    5J
    On 7/30/23 10:59, Eric Greenwell wrote:
    On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 9:09:26 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
    I've done three week-long soaring safaris; two using a 1,000' rope for
    ground launching and the other using a self-launcher. In each case we
    used public use airports except for the initial start. One of those
    airports was Gallup, NM, and airport with a tower and airline traffic
    and we blended in without difficulty. A simple chat with the tower was
    all that it took and they graciously allowed us to ground launch the
    next morning. The daily task was to fly in the direction suggested by
    the weather.

    One of us would fly and the other would pull the trailer after securing >> the launch gear. The trailer would chase the glider and we'd box it,
    spend the night, and the next day swap seats and repeat.

    It would have been great to have more than two participants on these
    trips but it seemed that nobody else was willing or able to spend a week >> on the road.

    Anyone remember the border to border flights from Texas to Canada?
    That's what's needed. How about Florida to Canada?

    Dan
    5J
    On 7/29/23 22:04, Eric Greenwell wrote:
    If you ever have a "serial soaring camp", where a group of gliders and the towplane fly from one place to another place then repeat that the next day or two, let me know; meanwhile,
    Now THAT'S a safari: a glider, a rope, and two wild and crazy guys! And, of course, so were the Border to Border flights, with most magnificent being the Texas to Alaska safari (maybe "expedition" would be more accurate, as they had no ground support)
    of Winfried Boos and Fritz Schneider, two Germans flying ASH26Es. Boos and Schneider also did safaris across Europe (relatively easy) and northern Africa, where great preparation was required. They were most active in the 1990s and early 2000's.
    Gallup Airport does not have a control tower.

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  • From Dan Marotta@21:1/5 to Bill Hill on Thu Aug 3 11:37:52 2023
    Poor memory on my part. I listened on my crew radio as my partner
    coordinated with a regional airliner over who would land first. He
    allowed that he had plenty of altitude and that the airliner should land
    first, which he did. I called and chatted with the FBO, I guess.

    Further loss of memory: We did not ground launch out of Gallup but,
    instead trailered to Holbrook, AZ where I launched after coordinating
    with the airport manager who offered to help however he could. No help
    was required, but he had a good old time watching.

    Dan
    5J

    On 8/3/23 07:36, Bill Hill wrote:
    On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 12:42:12 PM UTC-6, Dan Marotta wrote:
    Didn't those guys go down to the southern tip of South America, too?

    Dan
    5J
    On 7/30/23 10:59, Eric Greenwell wrote:
    On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 9:09:26 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
    I've done three week-long soaring safaris; two using a 1,000' rope for >>>> ground launching and the other using a self-launcher. In each case we
    used public use airports except for the initial start. One of those
    airports was Gallup, NM, and airport with a tower and airline traffic
    and we blended in without difficulty. A simple chat with the tower was >>>> all that it took and they graciously allowed us to ground launch the
    next morning. The daily task was to fly in the direction suggested by
    the weather.

    One of us would fly and the other would pull the trailer after securing >>>> the launch gear. The trailer would chase the glider and we'd box it,
    spend the night, and the next day swap seats and repeat.

    It would have been great to have more than two participants on these
    trips but it seemed that nobody else was willing or able to spend a week >>>> on the road.

    Anyone remember the border to border flights from Texas to Canada?
    That's what's needed. How about Florida to Canada?

    Dan
    5J
    On 7/29/23 22:04, Eric Greenwell wrote:
    If you ever have a "serial soaring camp", where a group of gliders and the towplane fly from one place to another place then repeat that the next day or two, let me know; meanwhile,
    Now THAT'S a safari: a glider, a rope, and two wild and crazy guys! And, of course, so were the Border to Border flights, with most magnificent being the Texas to Alaska safari (maybe "expedition" would be more accurate, as they had no ground support)
    of Winfried Boos and Fritz Schneider, two Germans flying ASH26Es. Boos and Schneider also did safaris across Europe (relatively easy) and northern Africa, where great preparation was required. They were most active in the 1990s and early 2000's.
    Gallup Airport does not have a control tower.

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  • From Dan Marotta@21:1/5 to Dan Marotta on Fri Aug 4 10:32:07 2023
    More old memories...

    The previous description was of our first safari. On the second, a year
    later, weather had us again at Gallup and the starting coin toss had my
    partner once again performing the landing on day two.

    On that safari, however, I did take a ground launch at Gallup using our
    trusty 1,000' rope but the weather did not support following my flight
    plan which was to go west. Instead, I went north along the mountains
    along the AZ/NM border, flew around the Four Corners Monument (4 state
    flight!) and proceeded north to Canyonlands National Park before
    returning to Cortez, CO.

    It's like a Dust Devil Dash laid end to end over multiple days. If my insurance company would allow it, I'd install a tow release on my Cessna
    180K and go safariing with my best buddy, Miguel. He's a current tow
    pilot who owns an ASW-27 and we could swap out seats day to day. Just dreaming...

    Dan
    5J

    On 8/3/23 11:37, Dan Marotta wrote:
    Poor memory on my part.  I listened on my crew radio as my partner coordinated with a regional airliner over who would land first.  He
    allowed that he had plenty of altitude and that the airliner should land first, which he did.  I called and chatted with the FBO, I guess.

    Further loss of memory:  We did not ground launch out of Gallup but,
    instead trailered to Holbrook, AZ where I launched after coordinating
    with the airport manager who offered to help however he could.  No help
    was required, but he had a good old time watching.

    Dan
    5J

    On 8/3/23 07:36, Bill Hill wrote:
    On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 12:42:12 PM UTC-6, Dan Marotta wrote:
    Didn't those guys go down to the southern tip of South America, too?

    Dan
    5J
    On 7/30/23 10:59, Eric Greenwell wrote:
    On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 9:09:26 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
    I've done three week-long soaring safaris; two using a 1,000' rope for >>>>> ground launching and the other using a self-launcher. In each case we >>>>> used public use airports except for the initial start. One of those
    airports was Gallup, NM, and airport with a tower and airline traffic >>>>> and we blended in without difficulty. A simple chat with the tower was >>>>> all that it took and they graciously allowed us to ground launch the >>>>> next morning. The daily task was to fly in the direction suggested by >>>>> the weather.

    One of us would fly and the other would pull the trailer after
    securing
    the launch gear. The trailer would chase the glider and we'd box it, >>>>> spend the night, and the next day swap seats and repeat.

    It would have been great to have more than two participants on these >>>>> trips but it seemed that nobody else was willing or able to spend a
    week
    on the road.

    Anyone remember the border to border flights from Texas to Canada?
    That's what's needed. How about Florida to Canada?

    Dan
    5J
    On 7/29/23 22:04, Eric Greenwell wrote:
    If you ever have a "serial soaring camp", where a group of gliders >>>>>> and the towplane fly from one place to another place then repeat
    that the next day or two, let me know; meanwhile,
    Now THAT'S a safari: a glider, a rope, and two wild and crazy guys!
    And, of course, so were the Border to Border flights, with most
    magnificent being the Texas to Alaska safari (maybe "expedition"
    would be more accurate, as they had no ground support) of Winfried
    Boos and Fritz Schneider, two Germans flying ASH26Es. Boos and
    Schneider also did safaris across Europe (relatively easy) and
    northern Africa, where great preparation was required. They were
    most active in the 1990s and early 2000's.
    Gallup Airport does not have a  control tower.

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  • From 2G@21:1/5 to youngbl...@gmail.com on Fri Aug 11 17:34:01 2023
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 2:18:39 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 11:20:50 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:
    On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 5:05:03 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 6:38:04 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
    On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 11:06:15 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
    TCSC has a new plan for the Soaring Safari for 2024, as usual we are planning for a dynamic event. Still a few details to be worked out and more will follow when the updates are finalized.
    As most know we pride ourselves on flying nice and challenging triangles here on the Treasure Coast, flying up and down Hwy 27 seems a bit boring and doing the same old thing over and over is not very challenging.
    For the 24 Safari we are planning a 5 day event where one chooses their own triangle and competes against others based on triangle size and speed along with a few other parameters. Yes, handicaps will be in effect and even motorgliders are
    welcome, just make sure in get in line for your takeoff.
    More details to follow, flying deep into the Everglades will be expected and Threading The Needle will be an added bonus. OBTP
    What do you call it when a group of gliders and the towplane fly from one place to another place, then repeat that a few times? That would be very different from what you are promoting, so maybe it would that be called a Soaring Camp? Or maybe
    Soaring Camps, since more than one place is involved?
    Eric, we call ours a SAFARI, you call your what you want. How long had you been flying a motorglider prior to writing your book?
    You are not on the invitation list, if you would like to participate we could probably make room, you would have to fly instead of working on your motorglider. Peanut butter goes a long way, probably enough for both you and Terrible Tommy. OBTP
    Hey Boobi, somebody ought to buy you a dictionary. A "safari" is:
    Swahili, journey, from Arabic safarī of a journey
    If you stay in the same place it is far more accurate to call it a "camp."

    Tom 2G
    Terrible Tommy, you seem not to understand many topics, Apple used the term Safari as a tool to navigate and explore, that is exactly what we do when we fly here over the swamps of Florida. Since you are so concerned about the Webster meaning there is
    a word that Webster used to describe you, ultracrepidarian, it fits you perfectly.
    Sorry I will be away starting after this post, will return in a couple of days. Old Bob, The Purist

    Sorry, Boobi, but "safari" translates to a journey, which you CAN'T have if you stay in the same place. What Apple uses to name their products is of exactly ZERO concern to me.

    Tom 2G

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  • From Mark628CA@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 11 20:03:37 2023
    You know, when Dick Rutan and Jeanna Yeager in "Voyager" and then Steve Fossett in "Global Flyer" circumnavigated the Earth non-stop, both aircraft and crews took off and landed at their respective takeoff locations (Edwards AFB, CA and Salina, KS).
    Therefore, the flights were logged as "Local."

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  • From Eric Greenwell@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 11 20:30:50 2023
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 8:03:40 PM UTC-7, Mark628CA wrote:
    You know, when Dick Rutan and Jeanna Yeager in "Voyager" and then Steve Fossett in "Global Flyer" circumnavigated the Earth non-stop, both aircraft and crews took off and landed at their respective takeoff locations (Edwards AFB, CA and Salina, KS).
    Therefore, the flights were logged as "Local."
    It's local until you can't receive the AWOS anymore 8^)

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  • From youngblood8116@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Eric Greenwell on Sat Aug 12 04:02:34 2023
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 11:30:53 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 8:03:40 PM UTC-7, Mark628CA wrote:
    You know, when Dick Rutan and Jeanna Yeager in "Voyager" and then Steve Fossett in "Global Flyer" circumnavigated the Earth non-stop, both aircraft and crews took off and landed at their respective takeoff locations (Edwards AFB, CA and Salina, KS).
    Therefore, the flights were logged as "Local."
    It's local until you can't receive the AWOS anymore 8^)
    Eric, so happy to see you consumed by the upcoming SAFARI at TCSC, as fall approaches and your weather turns sour it should give you something to write about. Old Bob, The Purist

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  • From Michael Price TrackMichael.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 12 08:38:17 2023
    btw kudos to the Treasure Coast Soaring Club (TCSC) for the activities they plan. We love having you at Cordele, I think you go up to New Castle every year as well, and that triangle challenge event sure sounds fun (wonderful options for your members).
    Very well done!

    Gents, let's not poke sticks at each other's event names or experience. There are so few of us and we want to reverse/grow our sport so let's stand united no matter how much fun it might be to poke sticks and watch for reaction on the dark side okay?
    Few in our sport wouldn't qualify for MENSA so we just aren't going to out-barb ourselves to determine the most witty winner no matter how much time we waste on it instead of flying or planning.

    Dan, love that idea of a Florida to Canada Safari. Wonder if we could pull together enough people across Florida/Georgia next year to make that happen. If anyone in Florida has interest let me know and I can poll the Georgia/Tennesee/Alabama (GTA) clubs
    to see who might like to join in the fun! There might even be beer reserves already in place in strategic spots along the way (Mid-Georgia, New Castle, Caesar Creek, etc). Instead of taking all trailers to the destination (volunteer/logistics intensive)
    maybe it's a round-trip with a couple of chasers and generic trailers to haul luggage and occasional retrieves to the next stage for efficiency?

    - Michael Price (MP) TrackMichael com

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  • From Dan Marotta@21:1/5 to Michael Price TrackMichael.com on Sat Aug 12 11:23:19 2023
    Alamogordo, NM to Indian Springs, MT looks like a fun safari. It could stop/overfly such high spots as Moriarty, NM, Montrose, CO, Logan, UT,
    and other points of interest along the way. According to Google Mapsm
    the distance is a bit over 1,240 statute miles.

    All that would be needed is pilots, crew, gliders, trailers, and a tug.
    Easy!

    Dan
    5J

    On 8/12/23 09:38, Michael Price TrackMichael.com wrote:
    btw kudos to the Treasure Coast Soaring Club (TCSC) for the activities they plan. We love having you at Cordele, I think you go up to New Castle every year as well, and that triangle challenge event sure sounds fun (wonderful options for your members).
    Very well done!

    Gents, let's not poke sticks at each other's event names or experience. There are so few of us and we want to reverse/grow our sport so let's stand united no matter how much fun it might be to poke sticks and watch for reaction on the dark side okay?
    Few in our sport wouldn't qualify for MENSA so we just aren't going to out-barb ourselves to determine the most witty winner no matter how much time we waste on it instead of flying or planning.

    Dan, love that idea of a Florida to Canada Safari. Wonder if we could pull together enough people across Florida/Georgia next year to make that happen. If anyone in Florida has interest let me know and I can poll the Georgia/Tennesee/Alabama (GTA)
    clubs to see who might like to join in the fun! There might even be beer reserves already in place in strategic spots along the way (Mid-Georgia, New Castle, Caesar Creek, etc). Instead of taking all trailers to the destination (volunteer/logistics
    intensive) maybe it's a round-trip with a couple of chasers and generic trailers to haul luggage and occasional retrieves to the next stage for efficiency?

    - Michael Price (MP) TrackMichael com

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  • From youngblood8116@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Michael Price TrackMichael.com on Sat Aug 12 15:38:06 2023
    On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 11:38:20 AM UTC-4, Michael Price TrackMichael.com wrote:
    btw kudos to the Treasure Coast Soaring Club (TCSC) for the activities they plan. We love having you at Cordele, I think you go up to New Castle every year as well, and that triangle challenge event sure sounds fun (wonderful options for your members).
    Very well done!

    Gents, let's not poke sticks at each other's event names or experience. There are so few of us and we want to reverse/grow our sport so let's stand united no matter how much fun it might be to poke sticks and watch for reaction on the dark side okay?
    Few in our sport wouldn't qualify for MENSA so we just aren't going to out-barb ourselves to determine the most witty winner no matter how much time we waste on it instead of flying or planning.

    Dan, love that idea of a Florida to Canada Safari. Wonder if we could pull together enough people across Florida/Georgia next year to make that happen. If anyone in Florida has interest let me know and I can poll the Georgia/Tennesee/Alabama (GTA)
    clubs to see who might like to join in the fun! There might even be beer reserves already in place in strategic spots along the way (Mid-Georgia, New Castle, Caesar Creek, etc). Instead of taking all trailers to the destination (volunteer/logistics
    intensive) maybe it's a round-trip with a couple of chasers and generic trailers to haul luggage and occasional retrieves to the next stage for efficiency?

    - Michael Price (MP) TrackMichael com
    Michael, thanks for the kind comments and support of our TCSC SAFARI, it was pleasure being with you guys in Cordele, it was a well run event and lots of old friends.
    In reference to our SAFARI, I had two calls today from around the country asking about our October SAFARI and our March SAFARI, yes, we are doubling up this year and would certainly like to bring the guys from GTA down to the Treasure Coast for some
    wonderful flying. Your ship looked great, brought back many good memories, please come down and join in on the best flying in Florida. Old Bob, The Purist

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  • From Eric Greenwell@21:1/5 to youngbl...@gmail.com on Sat Aug 12 20:13:22 2023
    On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 4:02:38 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 11:30:53 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 8:03:40 PM UTC-7, Mark628CA wrote:
    You know, when Dick Rutan and Jeanna Yeager in "Voyager" and then Steve Fossett in "Global Flyer" circumnavigated the Earth non-stop, both aircraft and crews took off and landed at their respective takeoff locations (Edwards AFB, CA and Salina, KS).
    Therefore, the flights were logged as "Local."
    It's local until you can't receive the AWOS anymore 8^)
    Eric, so happy to see you consumed by the upcoming SAFARI at TCSC, as fall approaches and your weather turns sour it should give you something to write about. Old Bob, The Purist
    I'd love to participate in a TCSC safari, but so you've only announced soaring camps, and even more disappointing both of them are scheduled during months when soaring in the Florida mountains is at it's worst.

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  • From Eric Greenwell@21:1/5 to Dan Marotta on Sat Aug 12 20:09:17 2023
    On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 10:23:24 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
    Alamogordo, NM to Indian Springs, MT looks like a fun safari. It could stop/overfly such high spots as Moriarty, NM, Montrose, CO, Logan, UT,
    and other points of interest along the way. According to Google Mapsm
    the distance is a bit over 1,240 statute miles.

    All that would be needed is pilots, crew, gliders, trailers, and a tug. Easy!

    Dan
    5J
    On 8/12/23 09:38, Michael Price TrackMichael.com wrote:
    btw kudos to the Treasure Coast Soaring Club (TCSC) for the activities they plan. We love having you at Cordele, I think you go up to New Castle every year as well, and that triangle challenge event sure sounds fun (wonderful options for your members)
    . Very well done!

    Gents, let's not poke sticks at each other's event names or experience. There are so few of us and we want to reverse/grow our sport so let's stand united no matter how much fun it might be to poke sticks and watch for reaction on the dark side okay?
    Few in our sport wouldn't qualify for MENSA so we just aren't going to out-barb ourselves to determine the most witty winner no matter how much time we waste on it instead of flying or planning.

    Dan, love that idea of a Florida to Canada Safari. Wonder if we could pull together enough people across Florida/Georgia next year to make that happen. If anyone in Florida has interest let me know and I can poll the Georgia/Tennesee/Alabama (GTA)
    clubs to see who might like to join in the fun! There might even be beer reserves already in place in strategic spots along the way (Mid-Georgia, New Castle, Caesar Creek, etc). Instead of taking all trailers to the destination (volunteer/logistics
    intensive) maybe it's a round-trip with a couple of chasers and generic trailers to haul luggage and occasional retrieves to the next stage for efficiency?

    - Michael Price (MP) TrackMichael com
    That's a safari I'd be interested in, especially the northern part.
    Eric

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  • From youngblood8116@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Eric Greenwell on Sun Aug 13 03:44:26 2023
    On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 11:13:25 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
    On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 4:02:38 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 11:30:53 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 8:03:40 PM UTC-7, Mark628CA wrote:
    You know, when Dick Rutan and Jeanna Yeager in "Voyager" and then Steve Fossett in "Global Flyer" circumnavigated the Earth non-stop, both aircraft and crews took off and landed at their respective takeoff locations (Edwards AFB, CA and Salina,
    KS). Therefore, the flights were logged as "Local."
    It's local until you can't receive the AWOS anymore 8^)
    Eric, so happy to see you consumed by the upcoming SAFARI at TCSC, as fall approaches and your weather turns sour it should give you something to write about. Old Bob, The Purist
    I'd love to participate in a TCSC safari, but so you've only announced soaring camps, and even more disappointing both of them are scheduled during months when soaring in the Florida mountains is at it's worst.
    Eric, you must be a bit confused, October in Florida can be as good as March, which people think is the premier month for soaring in Florida. Although March is good the activity basically contributed to the SLGP event and the TCSC Safari. Actually, the
    months from October through May can provide excellent soaring, the further South you fly the better it is in the Winter months.
    I have extended a personal invitation to my motorglider friend in NW Georgia to come down and enjoy our event and the GTA group would be a welcomed group, who knows they might just call it the GTAF Safari. OBTP

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  • From Dan Marotta@21:1/5 to Eric Greenwell on Sun Aug 13 07:46:37 2023
    Hey! Don't poke fun at the Florida mountains. Why, there's Britton
    Hill, the highest mountain in Florida at 345 feet MSL. Bet you can get
    some booming ridge soaring there!

    Dan
    5J

    On 8/12/23 21:13, Eric Greenwell wrote:
    On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 4:02:38 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 11:30:53 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 8:03:40 PM UTC-7, Mark628CA wrote:
    You know, when Dick Rutan and Jeanna Yeager in "Voyager" and then Steve Fossett in "Global Flyer" circumnavigated the Earth non-stop, both aircraft and crews took off and landed at their respective takeoff locations (Edwards AFB, CA and Salina, KS).
    Therefore, the flights were logged as "Local."
    It's local until you can't receive the AWOS anymore 8^)
    Eric, so happy to see you consumed by the upcoming SAFARI at TCSC, as fall approaches and your weather turns sour it should give you something to write about. Old Bob, The Purist
    I'd love to participate in a TCSC safari, but so you've only announced soaring camps, and even more disappointing both of them are scheduled during months when soaring in the Florida mountains is at it's worst.

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  • From Dan Marotta@21:1/5 to Eric Greenwell on Sun Aug 13 07:38:43 2023
    Self-launchers could do it, too! (Sorry Bob...)

    Dan
    5J

    On 8/12/23 21:09, Eric Greenwell wrote:
    On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 10:23:24 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
    Alamogordo, NM to Indian Springs, MT looks like a fun safari. It could
    stop/overfly such high spots as Moriarty, NM, Montrose, CO, Logan, UT,
    and other points of interest along the way. According to Google Mapsm
    the distance is a bit over 1,240 statute miles.

    All that would be needed is pilots, crew, gliders, trailers, and a tug.
    Easy!

    Dan
    5J
    On 8/12/23 09:38, Michael Price TrackMichael.com wrote:
    btw kudos to the Treasure Coast Soaring Club (TCSC) for the activities they plan. We love having you at Cordele, I think you go up to New Castle every year as well, and that triangle challenge event sure sounds fun (wonderful options for your members)
    . Very well done!

    Gents, let's not poke sticks at each other's event names or experience. There are so few of us and we want to reverse/grow our sport so let's stand united no matter how much fun it might be to poke sticks and watch for reaction on the dark side okay?
    Few in our sport wouldn't qualify for MENSA so we just aren't going to out-barb ourselves to determine the most witty winner no matter how much time we waste on it instead of flying or planning.

    Dan, love that idea of a Florida to Canada Safari. Wonder if we could pull together enough people across Florida/Georgia next year to make that happen. If anyone in Florida has interest let me know and I can poll the Georgia/Tennesee/Alabama (GTA)
    clubs to see who might like to join in the fun! There might even be beer reserves already in place in strategic spots along the way (Mid-Georgia, New Castle, Caesar Creek, etc). Instead of taking all trailers to the destination (volunteer/logistics
    intensive) maybe it's a round-trip with a couple of chasers and generic trailers to haul luggage and occasional retrieves to the next stage for efficiency?

    - Michael Price (MP) TrackMichael com
    That's a safari I'd be interested in, especially the northern part.
    Eric

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  • From youngblood8116@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Dan Marotta on Sun Aug 13 12:39:08 2023
    On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 9:46:42 AM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
    Hey! Don't poke fun at the Florida mountains. Why, there's Britton
    Hill, the highest mountain in Florida at 345 feet MSL. Bet you can get
    some booming ridge soaring there!

    Dan
    5J
    On 8/12/23 21:13, Eric Greenwell wrote:
    On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 4:02:38 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 11:30:53 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote: >>> On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 8:03:40 PM UTC-7, Mark628CA wrote:
    You know, when Dick Rutan and Jeanna Yeager in "Voyager" and then Steve Fossett in "Global Flyer" circumnavigated the Earth non-stop, both aircraft and crews took off and landed at their respective takeoff locations (Edwards AFB, CA and Salina, KS)
    . Therefore, the flights were logged as "Local."
    It's local until you can't receive the AWOS anymore 8^)
    Eric, so happy to see you consumed by the upcoming SAFARI at TCSC, as fall approaches and your weather turns sour it should give you something to write about. Old Bob, The Purist
    I'd love to participate in a TCSC safari, but so you've only announced soaring camps, and even more disappointing both of them are scheduled during months when soaring in the Florida mountains is at it's worst.
    Dan, every county in Florida has a mountain, we call them Mt. Trashmore, some call them landfills, yet they give off booming thermals. OBTP

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  • From youngblood8116@gmail.com@21:1/5 to youngbl...@gmail.com on Tue Aug 15 03:43:41 2023
    On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 2:06:15 PM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
    TCSC has a new plan for the Soaring Safari for 2024, as usual we are planning for a dynamic event. Still a few details to be worked out and more will follow when the updates are finalized.
    As most know we pride ourselves on flying nice and challenging triangles here on the Treasure Coast, flying up and down Hwy 27 seems a bit boring and doing the same old thing over and over is not very challenging.
    For the 24 Safari we are planning a 5 day event where one chooses their own triangle and competes against others based on triangle size and speed along with a few other parameters. Yes, handicaps will be in effect and even motorgliders are welcome,
    just make sure in get in line for your takeoff.
    More details to follow, flying deep into the Everglades will be expected and Threading The Needle will be an added bonus. OBTP
    Our October and March Safari event's are capturing a lot of attention from glider pilots both in Florida and around the country. A call from Alabama came yesterday and the gentleman wants to take part in both events. I look forward to answering any
    questions and accommodations are superb with new hotels just a mile away and restaurants like Outback, Olive Garden, Mexican, and a downtown coffee shop that is second to none. Old Bob, The Purist

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