• Gear Door Tape

    From Roy B.@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 6 12:16:54 2023
    What do you folks use for landing gear door tape? I need something that holds up to heat & hinge flexing and doesn't require me to buy 50 yards at a silly price when I only need 30".
    ROY

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  • From Charlie M. (UH, Pi & 002 owner/pilo@21:1/5 to Roy B. on Wed Sep 6 13:54:41 2023
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 3:16:57 PM UTC-4, Roy B. wrote:
    What do you folks use for landing gear door tape? I need something that holds up to heat & hinge flexing and doesn't require me to buy 50 yards at a silly price when I only need 30".
    ROY
    I sometimes use cloth athletic tape. Pharmacies usually have sever size rolls.

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  • From Steve Koerner@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 6 13:50:05 2023
    I haven't had to buy it in a long time, but sail repair tape fills the bill. It looks like Amazon sells it in economic quantities.

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  • From youngblood8116@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Roy B. on Wed Sep 6 15:01:08 2023
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 3:16:57 PM UTC-4, Roy B. wrote:
    What do you folks use for landing gear door tape? I need something that holds up to heat & hinge flexing and doesn't require me to buy 50 yards at a silly price when I only need 30".
    ROY
    The cloth tape works very well. OBTP

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  • From mropitz1@gmail.com@21:1/5 to youngbl...@gmail.com on Wed Sep 6 17:43:14 2023
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 6:01:13 PM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 3:16:57 PM UTC-4, Roy B. wrote:
    What do you folks use for landing gear door tape? I need something that holds up to heat & hinge flexing and doesn't require me to buy 50 yards at a silly price when I only need 30".
    ROY
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    Gaffer tape is like duct tape without the shine, and it has
    adhesive that pulls up with the tape without leaving a
    sticky mess behind. It is called Gaffer tape because
    the entertainment industry Gaffers (people that set up
    the stage equipment) use it to tape down wires on stages
    so that performers won't trip on them. After the shows,
    they just pull it up without having left a sticky mess behind
    on that nice hardwood floored stage. You can find it at
    music stores or with a quick online search.

    Mike Opitz
    RO

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  • From John Galloway@21:1/5 to mrop...@gmail.com on Thu Sep 7 06:26:01 2023
    On Thursday, 7 September 2023 at 01:43:17 UTC+1, mrop...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 6:01:13 PM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 3:16:57 PM UTC-4, Roy B. wrote:
    What do you folks use for landing gear door tape? I need something that holds up to heat & hinge flexing and doesn't require me to buy 50 yards at a silly price when I only need 30".
    ROY
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Gaffer tape is like duct tape without the shine, and it has
    adhesive that pulls up with the tape without leaving a
    sticky mess behind. It is called Gaffer tape because
    the entertainment industry Gaffers (people that set up
    the stage equipment) use it to tape down wires on stages
    so that performers won't trip on them. After the shows,
    they just pull it up without having left a sticky mess behind
    on that nice hardwood floored stage. You can find it at
    music stores or with a quick online search.

    Mike Opitz
    RO

    I have always used Tesa cloth tape for gear doors and it is also used for older glider control hinges. I don't know about US sellers.

    https://www.navboys.com/CLOTHTAPE.html

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  • From George Haeh@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 7 10:13:37 2023
    Wings and Wheels has it.

    Ask around your local club to see if anybody can spare a few feet, or pool with other owners to buy a roll.

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  • From Dgtarmichael@21:1/5 to George Haeh on Thu Sep 7 11:00:42 2023
    Why do we tape gear door hinges? The front, rear and center are all unsealed. The cloth tape we use on the hinge side is rough and isn't keeping anything laminar or attached.
    For what it's worth I use the Tesa tape mentioned above... bought a giant roll and offered to share with club mates.
    Doug
    W24



    On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 12:13:40 PM UTC-5, George Haeh wrote:
    Wings and Wheels has it.

    Ask around your local club to see if anybody can spare a few feet, or pool with other owners to buy a roll.

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  • From Hank Nixon@21:1/5 to Dgtarmichael on Thu Sep 7 16:26:30 2023
    On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 2:00:45 PM UTC-4, Dgtarmichael wrote:
    Why do we tape gear door hinges? The front, rear and center are all unsealed. The cloth tape we use on the hinge side is rough and isn't keeping anything laminar or attached.
    For what it's worth I use the Tesa tape mentioned above... bought a giant roll and offered to share with club mates.
    Doug
    W24
    On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 12:13:40 PM UTC-5, George Haeh wrote:
    Wings and Wheels has it.

    Ask around your local club to see if anybody can spare a few feet, or pool with other owners to buy a roll.

    Air coming out of anywhere makes drag. It is like a spoiler. My doors have fabric tape on hinge lines and mylar on front and rear edges. Seal on center line is tricky and does not hold up very well so I don't do it anymore. Overlapped doors did not turn
    out to be worth the trouble.
    UH

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  • From Dgtarmichael@21:1/5 to Hank Nixon on Thu Sep 7 19:04:33 2023
    I understand... so if the front, rear, and center are all unsealed what is the point of putting tape along the sides? I declare shenanigans!

    Doug
    W24


    On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 6:26:32 PM UTC-5, Hank Nixon wrote:
    On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 2:00:45 PM UTC-4, Dgtarmichael wrote:
    Why do we tape gear door hinges? The front, rear and center are all unsealed. The cloth tape we use on the hinge side is rough and isn't keeping anything laminar or attached.
    For what it's worth I use the Tesa tape mentioned above... bought a giant roll and offered to share with club mates.
    Doug
    W24
    On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 12:13:40 PM UTC-5, George Haeh wrote:
    Wings and Wheels has it.

    Ask around your local club to see if anybody can spare a few feet, or pool with other owners to buy a roll.
    Air coming out of anywhere makes drag. It is like a spoiler. My doors have fabric tape on hinge lines and mylar on front and rear edges. Seal on center line is tricky and does not hold up very well so I don't do it anymore. Overlapped doors did not
    turn out to be worth the trouble.
    UH

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  • From Roy B.@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 7 19:14:23 2023
    I understand... so if the front, rear, and center are all unsealed what is the point of putting tape along the sides? I declare shenanigans!

    Maybe it keeps the tall grass from getting stuck in the side seam ahead of the hinge . . . But I do it because the factory did it.
    ROY

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  • From Hank Nixon@21:1/5 to Dgtarmichael on Fri Sep 8 05:26:21 2023
    On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 10:04:36 PM UTC-4, Dgtarmichael wrote:
    I understand... so if the front, rear, and center are all unsealed what is the point of putting tape along the sides? I declare shenanigans!

    Doug
    W24
    On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 6:26:32 PM UTC-5, Hank Nixon wrote:
    On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 2:00:45 PM UTC-4, Dgtarmichael wrote:
    Why do we tape gear door hinges? The front, rear and center are all unsealed. The cloth tape we use on the hinge side is rough and isn't keeping anything laminar or attached.
    For what it's worth I use the Tesa tape mentioned above... bought a giant roll and offered to share with club mates.
    Doug
    W24
    On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 12:13:40 PM UTC-5, George Haeh wrote:
    Wings and Wheels has it.

    Ask around your local club to see if anybody can spare a few feet, or pool with other owners to buy a roll.
    Air coming out of anywhere makes drag. It is like a spoiler. My doors have fabric tape on hinge lines and mylar on front and rear edges. Seal on center line is tricky and does not hold up very well so I don't do it anymore. Overlapped doors did not
    turn out to be worth the trouble.
    UH

    Side is the biggest leak.
    UH

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  • From Mark628CA@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 8 06:01:32 2023
    Side is the biggest leak.
    UH

    How did you determine this?

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  • From Hank Nixon@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 8 06:41:26 2023
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:01:35 AM UTC-4, Mark628CA wrote:
    Side is the biggest leak.
    UH
    How did you determine this?

    Observe flow with tufts.
    UH

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  • From Mark628CA@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 8 07:49:57 2023
    Observe flow with tufts.
    UH

    Did you use a camera?

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  • From Hank Nixon@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 8 08:22:13 2023
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 10:50:00 AM UTC-4, Mark628CA wrote:
    Observe flow with tufts.
    UH
    Did you use a camera?

    Yes- on ASW-24. Photos long gone. This was 20 years ago when I was much more anal about performance.
    UH

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  • From Chip Bearden@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 8 09:13:37 2023
    I switched to gaffer's tape when my daughter was involved in Broadway productions because I kept seeing it used everywhere to tape down electrical cords and equipment firmly with no loose edges and without leaving residue or damaging the surface.

    Good stuff. Lasts a long time. Not of general interest, but good for putting contest #s in the back of your tow vehicle window and patching bullet holes in trailers. Not the cheapest but works way better than duct tape, plastic tape, etc. Fair warning,
    it will eventually give up and the adhesive turn to dust. But it's a lot easier to remove/replace than most.

    I've seen cheaper (and more expensive) but here's what I bought 4 years ago. Still have a lot left. Seems to last a year or two when exposed to sun/wx. And I haven't had any new bullet holes recently. :)

    In checking, I see a few recent complaints that the formulation changed and the newer stuff can leave a residue. Brand names mentioned adoringly as alternatives are Pro Gaff and AllStar. Black tape much easier to find but white and some other colors are
    available online.

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07K1N8FHZ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1

    Chip Bearden
    "JB"

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  • From Mark Zivley@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 8 11:01:29 2023
    Seems like a better plan (regarding this thread, not any one response) would be to more effectively seal the gear well against air entering from the fuselage...

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  • From Charlie M. (UH, Pi & 002 owner/pilo@21:1/5 to Mark Zivley on Fri Sep 8 21:29:25 2023
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 2:01:32 PM UTC-4, Mark Zivley wrote:
    Seems like a better plan (regarding this thread, not any one response) would be to more effectively seal the gear well against air entering from the fuselage...
    Tough to do with tight spaces and linkage movements on most ships. You would need to find suitable bellows for sealing.
    Tape on the hinge side and thin foam of font and rear of the doors do a lot as well as getting doors flush with the belly.

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  • From Hank Nixon@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 9 05:47:25 2023
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 12:29:28 AM UTC-4, Charlie M. (UH, Pi & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 2:01:32 PM UTC-4, Mark Zivley wrote:
    Seems like a better plan (regarding this thread, not any one response) would be to more effectively seal the gear well against air entering from the fuselage...
    Tough to do with tight spaces and linkage movements on most ships. You would need to find suitable bellows for sealing.
    Tape on the hinge side and thin foam of font and rear of the doors do a lot as well as getting doors flush with the belly.

    Most modern ship have Fairly well sealed gear boxes., Older ships, not so much. For performance canopies, spoilers, and controls are where the biggest opportunities lie. If the air goes out the right place, it is less likely to come out the wrong place. That said, sealing the gear doors can't hurt.
    UH

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