Hi,
Unfortunately I am unable to find any ASW 20s close by to look at so wondering if any one can help guide me on their cockpit size. I'm 6'1 220lbs and broad across the shoulders. Are they smaller than the Discus 2b's?
On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 10:41:39 AM UTC-4, Randy Shumaker wrote:
Hi,
Unfortunately I am unable to find any ASW 20s close by to look at so
wondering if any one can help guide me on their cockpit size. I'm 6'1
220lbs and broad across the shoulders. Are they smaller than the Discus
2b's?
Where are you? I'm 6'1" 195 and fly a Pegasus, purportedly the same
fuselage as a 20. I have plenty of room but you're quite a bit bigger.
Check for any Pegs in your area. I'm in SE Pennsylvania, BTW.
On Sat, 6 Aug 2022 09:08:22 -0700 (PDT), Michael Fadden wrote:
On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 10:41:39 AM UTC-4, Randy Shumaker wrote:
Hi,
Unfortunately I am unable to find any ASW 20s close by to look at so
wondering if any one can help guide me on their cockpit size. I'm 6'1
220lbs and broad across the shoulders. Are they smaller than the Discus
2b's?
Where are you? I'm 6'1" 195 and fly a Pegasus, purportedly the same fuselage as a 20. I have plenty of room but you're quite a bit bigger. Check for any Pegs in your area. I'm in SE Pennsylvania, BTW.
Agreed. The ASW 19, ASW 20 and Pegase all have the same fuselage and
cockpit: if you're comfortable in one of them you should be OK in the
others too.
Some background: Centrair originally built the ASW 20 under license as the ASW 20F, but didn't renew the license when it ended and, instead, rolled
out the Pegase with revised wings but with the same fuselage and tail surfaces. There are minor improvements such as:
- a front hinged canopy and panel.
- a nose cockpit ventilation inlet: if you look carefully under a Peg
wing you can see where the ASW 19/20 cockpit air inlets used to be.
- the later Pegase 90 has fully self-connecting controls: the earlier
Pegase 101 models, like the ASW 19 and 20, have Hoteliers.
--
Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org
On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 6:03:28 AM UTC+12, Martin Gregorie wrote:
On Sat, 6 Aug 2022 09:08:22 -0700 (PDT), Michael Fadden wrote:
On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 10:41:39 AM UTC-4, Randy Shumaker wrote:
Hi,
Unfortunately I am unable to find any ASW 20s close by to look at so
wondering if any one can help guide me on their cockpit size. I'm 6'1 >> 220lbs and broad across the shoulders. Are they smaller than the Discus >> 2b's?
Where are you? I'm 6'1" 195 and fly a Pegasus, purportedly the same fuselage as a 20. I have plenty of room but you're quite a bit bigger. Check for any Pegs in your area. I'm in SE Pennsylvania, BTW.
Agreed. The ASW 19, ASW 20 and Pegase all have the same fuselage and cockpit: if you're comfortable in one of them you should be OK in the others too.
Some background: Centrair originally built the ASW 20 under license as the ASW 20F, but didn't renew the license when it ended and, instead, rolled out the Pegase with revised wings but with the same fuselage and tail surfaces. There are minor improvements such as:
- a front hinged canopy and panel.
- a nose cockpit ventilation inlet: if you look carefully under a Peg
wing you can see where the ASW 19/20 cockpit air inlets used to be.
- the later Pegase 90 has fully self-connecting controls: the earlier Pegase 101 models, like the ASW 19 and 20, have Hoteliers.
I am almost exactly your size and fit just fine in my ASW-20. I have 10 lbs of ballast in the tail so you need to be aware of the CG in any ship you buy. The Jesus flap isn’t a big deal (flaps 5). You can use flaps 4 initially per the POH. Good luck on--
Martin | martin atI am a similar size to you and the ASW19 ASW20 are a pot bellied shape and you can slide down
Gregorie | gregorie dot org
in them, I used to fit with the seat back still in and with a parachute on but you can fly them with
out the seat back.
You need to try one out, try ASW20 in particular as she is a real pilots ship best of that era I think.
Get coached on ASW20 A model and their "Jesus landing flap option" prior to test flying ,B and C do not have that problem
On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 6:03:28 AM UTC+12, Martin Gregorie wrote:
On Sat, 6 Aug 2022 09:08:22 -0700 (PDT), Michael Fadden wrote:
On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 10:41:39 AM UTC-4, Randy Shumaker wrote: >>>> Hi,Agreed. The ASW 19, ASW 20 and Pegase all have the same fuselage and
Unfortunately I am unable to find any ASW 20s close by to look at so
wondering if any one can help guide me on their cockpit size. I'm 6'1
220lbs and broad across the shoulders. Are they smaller than the Discus >>>> 2b's?
Where are you? I'm 6'1" 195 and fly a Pegasus, purportedly the same
fuselage as a 20. I have plenty of room but you're quite a bit bigger.
Check for any Pegs in your area. I'm in SE Pennsylvania, BTW.
cockpit: if you're comfortable in one of them you should be OK in the
others too.
Some background: Centrair originally built the ASW 20 under license as the >> ASW 20F, but didn't renew the license when it ended and, instead, rolled
out the Pegase with revised wings but with the same fuselage and tail
surfaces. There are minor improvements such as:
- a front hinged canopy and panel.
- a nose cockpit ventilation inlet: if you look carefully under a Peg
wing you can see where the ASW 19/20 cockpit air inlets used to be.
- the later Pegase 90 has fully self-connecting controls: the earlier
Pegase 101 models, like the ASW 19 and 20, have Hoteliers.
--
Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org
I am a similar size to you and the ASW19 ASW20 are a pot bellied shape and you can slide down
in them, I used to fit with the seat back still in and with a parachute on but you can fly them with
out the seat back.
You need to try one out, try ASW20 in particular as she is a real pilots ship best of that era I think.
Get coached on ASW20 A model and their "Jesus landing flap option" prior to test flying ,B and C do not have that problem
Ninety degree landing flaps are wonderful! My first glider was a
Mosquito and the flap/dive brake combination was terminal velocity
limiting according to the book. I tried it and confirmed it. You're
never too high in a Mosquito. I imagine the ASW-20A flaps provide
similar capability.
on your search! My ASW20L is for sale FYI. Won the Region 8 sports class with it this year.I am almost exactly your size and fit just fine in my ASW-20. I have 10 lbs of ballast in the tail so you need to be aware of the CG in any ship you buy. The Jesus flap isn’t a big deal (flaps 5). You can use flaps 4 initially per the POH. Good luckI am a similar size to you and the ASW19 ASW20 are a pot bellied shape and you can slide down
Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org
in them, I used to fit with the seat back still in and with a parachute on but you can fly them with
out the seat back.
You need to try one out, try ASW20 in particular as she is a real pilots ship best of that era I think.
Get coached on ASW20 A model and their "Jesus landing flap option" prior to test flying ,B and C do not have that problem
Hi,
Unfortunately I am unable to find any ASW 20s close by to look at so wondering if any one can help guide me on their cockpit size. I'm 6'1 220lbs and broad across the shoulders. Are they smaller than the Discus 2b's?
On 8/7/2022 8:20 AM, Charles Longley wrote:
I am almost exactly your size and fit just fine in my ASW-20. I have 10 lbs of ballastI am a similar size to you and the ASW19 ASW20 are a pot bellied shape and you can
Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org
slide down
in them, I used to fit with the seat back still in and with a parachute on but you can
fly them with
out the seat back.
You need to try one out, try ASW20 in particular as she is a real pilots ship best of
that era I think.
Get coached on ASW20 A model and their "Jesus landing flap option" prior to test flying
,B and C do not have that problem
in the tail so you need to be aware of the CG in any ship you buy. The Jesus flap isn’t
a big deal (flaps 5). You can use flaps 4 initially per the POH. Good luck on your
search! My ASW20L is for sale FYI. Won the Region 8 sports class with it this year.
The original ASW20 (aka "ASW20A") landing flap (55-60 degrees) allowed a steeper landing
than the later B & C models (40 degrees). It requires a bit more care to avoid undershoot
and during the flare. It was more likely to damage a pushrod in a hard landing when using
landing flap because of the extra flap deflection, and hard landings were more likely
because the flare was harder to manage.
I had a C model, and like the B model, it had a superb Cleveland disk brake. The B model
could carry more ballast, and the wings were heavier because of that.
On 8/8/2022 7:40 AM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 8/7/2022 8:20 AM, Charles Longley wrote:
I am almost exactly your size and fit just fine in my ASW-20. I have 10 lbs of ballastI am a similar size to you and the ASW19 ASW20 are a pot bellied shape and you can
Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org
slide down
in them, I used to fit with the seat back still in and with a parachute on but you can
fly them with
out the seat back.
You need to try one out, try ASW20 in particular as she is a real pilots ship best of
that era I think.
Get coached on ASW20 A model and their "Jesus landing flap option" prior to test flying
,B and C do not have that problem
in the tail so you need to be aware of the CG in any ship you buy. The Jesus flap isn’t
a big deal (flaps 5). You can use flaps 4 initially per the POH. Good luck on your
search! My ASW20L is for sale FYI. Won the Region 8 sports class with it this year.
The original ASW20 (aka "ASW20A") landing flap (55-60 degrees) allowed a steeper landing
than the later B & C models (40 degrees). It requires a bit more care to avoid undershoot
and during the flare. It was more likely to damage a pushrod in a hard landing when using
landing flap because of the extra flap deflection, and hard landings were more likely
because the flare was harder to manage.
I had a C model, and like the B model, it had a superb Cleveland disk brake. The B model
could carry more ballast, and the wings were heavier because of that.
I should elaborate: The ASW20A/B/C is a great glider. I flew my C model for 11 years/1500
hours, and the only reason I sold it was to buy a self-launcher, and not just any
self-launcher, but the ASH26E, because it was very much like my ASW20C: the marvelous flap
and aileron mixer with the 40 degree landing flap, lovely handling, comfortable cockpit,
and that superb Cleveland disk brake.
Charlie should also mention the ASW20 is a great ride in turbulence, as it's bendy
fiberglass wings absorb a lot of the bumps.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
I believe you were asking about "cockpit size":
I'm 6'1" and 200#. Long torso.
I have sat in two versions of the -20--One was a straight -20 and the other a -20C.
The former was a tight squeeze and the latter was the largest cockpit I've ever experienced.
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