• Prison

    From Joy Beeson@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 20 23:01:11 2022
    I'm more likely to fail to hear the clock strike than to fail to know
    the meaning of a written word that happens to be in my field of
    vision.

    While paging through a long stretch of quoted gibberish to see whether something had been said at the bottom, I happened to see the sentence
    "Are you really against putting criminals in prison?"

    Yes, actually.

    Prisons are for people you can't afford to have running around loose.
    Criminals should be working to earn money to pay back their victims,
    or personally wielding wire brushes and paint remover to clean up the
    messes they made.

    --
    Joy Beeson
    joy beeson at centurylink dot net

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  • From John B.@21:1/5 to jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid on Wed Sep 21 10:49:29 2022
    On Tue, 20 Sep 2022 23:01:11 -0400, Joy Beeson
    <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:


    I'm more likely to fail to hear the clock strike than to fail to know
    the meaning of a written word that happens to be in my field of
    vision.

    While paging through a long stretch of quoted gibberish to see whether >something had been said at the bottom, I happened to see the sentence
    "Are you really against putting criminals in prison?"

    Yes, actually.

    Prisons are for people you can't afford to have running around loose. >Criminals should be working to earn money to pay back their victims,
    or personally wielding wire brushes and paint remover to clean up the
    messes they made.

    Ah But...
    In the U.S. that would be referred to as "cruel and unusual
    punishment" or even "Slavery".
    See https://news.cgtn.com/news/2021-03-29/Slavery-is-alive-and-kicking-in-U-S-cotton-prison-farms--Z0vs8rr87m/index.html
    https://georgia-exhibits.galileo.usg.edu/spotlight/convict-labor/feature/prison-farms

    --
    Cheers,

    John B.

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  • From pH@21:1/5 to Joy Beeson on Thu Sep 22 01:27:44 2022
    On 2022-09-21, Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:

    I'm more likely to fail to hear the clock strike than to fail to know
    the meaning of a written word that happens to be in my field of
    vision.

    While paging through a long stretch of quoted gibberish to see whether something had been said at the bottom, I happened to see the sentence
    "Are you really against putting criminals in prison?"

    Yes, actually.

    Prisons are for people you can't afford to have running around loose. Criminals should be working to earn money to pay back their victims,
    or personally wielding wire brushes and paint remover to clean up the
    messes they made.


    I gues that's as good a model as any, as long as they don't run off and
    escape while they're busy paying off their debt to society.

    I've wondered what other cultures have done besides incarcaration over the centuries (providing it was not a capital offense, mind you.)..

    pH in Aptos

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  • From Radey Shouman@21:1/5 to wNOSPAMp@gmail.org on Thu Sep 22 14:06:15 2022
    pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> writes:

    On 2022-09-21, Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:

    I'm more likely to fail to hear the clock strike than to fail to know
    the meaning of a written word that happens to be in my field of
    vision.

    While paging through a long stretch of quoted gibberish to see whether
    something had been said at the bottom, I happened to see the sentence
    "Are you really against putting criminals in prison?"

    Yes, actually.

    Prisons are for people you can't afford to have running around loose.
    Criminals should be working to earn money to pay back their victims,
    or personally wielding wire brushes and paint remover to clean up the
    messes they made.


    I gues that's as good a model as any, as long as they don't run off and escape while they're busy paying off their debt to society.

    I've wondered what other cultures have done besides incarcaration over the centuries (providing it was not a capital offense, mind you.)..

    pH in Aptos

    Corporal punishment, hard labor (salt mines, anyone? galleys?), fines,
    public shaming/humiliation (day in the stocks?), shunning, exile,
    outlawing. Feeding ordinary criminals in prisons for years on end would
    have been prohibitively expensive for almost all human history. Prisons
    were only for dangerous nobles and those rich enough to be debtors.

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  • From pH@21:1/5 to Radey Shouman on Thu Sep 22 22:46:48 2022
    On 2022-09-22, Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> wrote:
    pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> writes:

    On 2022-09-21, Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:

    I'm more likely to fail to hear the clock strike than to fail to know
    the meaning of a written word that happens to be in my field of
    vision.

    While paging through a long stretch of quoted gibberish to see whether
    something had been said at the bottom, I happened to see the sentence
    "Are you really against putting criminals in prison?"

    Yes, actually.

    Prisons are for people you can't afford to have running around loose.
    Criminals should be working to earn money to pay back their victims,
    or personally wielding wire brushes and paint remover to clean up the
    messes they made.


    I gues that's as good a model as any, as long as they don't run off and
    escape while they're busy paying off their debt to society.

    I've wondered what other cultures have done besides incarcaration over the >> centuries (providing it was not a capital offense, mind you.)..

    pH in Aptos

    Corporal punishment, hard labor (salt mines, anyone? galleys?), fines,
    public shaming/humiliation (day in the stocks?), shunning, exile,
    outlawing. Feeding ordinary criminals in prisons for years on end would
    have been prohibitively expensive for almost all human history. Prisons
    were only for dangerous nobles and those rich enough to be debtors.

    Ahh...this all makes sense. Especially your last sentence. Question
    answered. Thanks!

    pH

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