And $15 million for a broken jaw? Really? That's a very optimistic lawyer.
https://nypost.com/2024/11/16/us-news/teen-sues-citi-bike-for-15m-over-brake-related-nyc-crash-that-broke-jaw/
Photo seems to show hydraulic drums (?? who makes that?).
Current model, no tech details: https://www.timeout.com/newyork/news/lyft-has-unveiled-new-electric-citi-bikes-in-nyc-042922-1
Local rider reports: https://www.reddit.com/r/Citibike/comments/ujpbsu/quick_thoughts_on_new_ebikes/
Today's report caught my eye because there are clearly
separate front and rear braking systems. Simultaneous
failure of both would be extremely unlikely unless
purposefully damaged IMHO.
https://nypost.com/2024/11/16/us-news/teen-sues-citi-bike-for-15m-over-brake-related-nyc-crash-that-broke-jaw/
Photo seems to show hydraulic drums (?? who makes that?).
Current model, no tech details: https://www.timeout.com/newyork/news/lyft-has-unveiled-new-electric-citi-bikes-in-nyc-042922-1
Local rider reports: https://www.reddit.com/r/Citibike/comments/ujpbsu/quick_thoughts_on_new_ebikes/
Today's report caught my eye because there are clearly
separate front and rear braking systems. Simultaneous
failure of both would be extremely unlikely unless
purposefully damaged IMHO.
On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 20:36:12 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
And $15 million for a broken jaw? Really? That's a very optimistic lawyer.
Hint: USA lawsuits are different from UK lawsuits.
parties pay their own legal bills. In UK, the loser pays for both
parties legal bills: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_rule_(attorney%27s_fees)>
"The English rule provides that the party that loses in court pays the
other party's legal costs. The English rule contrasts with the
American rule, under which each party is generally responsible for
paying its own attorney fees..."
The lawyer can theoretically lose money if he fails to convince the
court or jury. I have no clue what happens if an attorney defaults on
paying the defendants legal fees.
I'm not sure what this means:
"The rationale for the English rule is that a litigant (whether
bringing a claim or defending a claim) is entitled to legal
representation and, if successful, should not be left out of pocket by
reason of their own legal fees. It should be borne in mind that, in
virtually all English civil litigation, damages are merely
compensatory."
Also:
"The English rule is followed by nearly every Western democracy other
than the United States."
In my never humble opinion, I believe that this should be changed in
the USA to follow the English rule.
More:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costs_in_English_law>
https://nypost.com/2024/11/16/us-news/teen-sues-citi-bike-for-15m-over-brake-related-nyc-crash-that-broke-jaw/
Photo seems to show hydraulic drums (?? who makes that?).
Current model, no tech details: >https://www.timeout.com/newyork/news/lyft-has-unveiled-new-electric-citi-bikes-in-nyc-042922-1
Local rider reports: >https://www.reddit.com/r/Citibike/comments/ujpbsu/quick_thoughts_on_new_ebikes/
Today's report caught my eye because there are clearly
separate front and rear braking systems. Simultaneous
failure of both would be extremely unlikely unless
purposefully damaged IMHO.
On 11/17/2024 10:09 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 20:36:12 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
And $15 million for a broken jaw? Really? That's a very optimistic lawyer. >>Hint: USA lawsuits are different from UK lawsuits.
What does the UK have to do with it? This happened in NYC.
In the USA, both--
parties pay their own legal bills. In UK, the loser pays for both
parties legal bills:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_rule_(attorney%27s_fees)>
"The English rule provides that the party that loses in court pays the
other party's legal costs. The English rule contrasts with the
American rule, under which each party is generally responsible for
paying its own attorney fees..."
In the US they normally include court costs and lawyers fees as line
items in the suit. If they don't, it's a sloppy attorney.
The lawyer can theoretically lose money if he fails to convince the
court or jury. I have no clue what happens if an attorney defaults on
paying the defendants legal fees.
I'm not sure what this means:
"The rationale for the English rule is that a litigant (whether
bringing a claim or defending a claim) is entitled to legal
representation and, if successful, should not be left out of pocket by
reason of their own legal fees. It should be borne in mind that, in
virtually all English civil litigation, damages are merely
compensatory."
Also:
"The English rule is followed by nearly every Western democracy other
than the United States."
In my never humble opinion, I believe that this should be changed in
the USA to follow the English rule.
More:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costs_in_English_law>
Am Sun, 17 Nov 2024 15:31:11 -0600 schrieb AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org>:
https://nypost.com/2024/11/16/us-news/teen-sues-citi-bike-for-15m-over-brake-related-nyc-crash-that-broke-jaw/
Photo seems to show hydraulic drums (?? who makes that?).
Current model, no tech details:
https://www.timeout.com/newyork/news/lyft-has-unveiled-new-electric-citi-bikes-in-nyc-042922-1
Local rider reports:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Citibike/comments/ujpbsu/quick_thoughts_on_new_ebikes/
Today's report caught my eye because there are clearly
separate front and rear braking systems. Simultaneous
failure of both would be extremely unlikely unless
purposefully damaged IMHO.
On a steep descent, failure of the front brake might be enough to cause
an accident. An inexperienced rider who only uses the rear brake could
do the same. I wouldn't read too much into "the brakes failed"
(plural). This is unnecessarily vague. Perhaps intentionally?
| On the return trip about a half-hour later, Akera tried to
| slow down the steep stretch of Eastern Parkway as it
| approaches Nostrand Ave, and when the brakes failed, she
| tried to use her feet, according to the Brooklyn Federal
| Court filing.
In any case, it confirms my prejudice that many people can't really cope
with the demands of powerful engines in vehicles they think are
bicycles.
On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 06:12:26 -0500, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 11/17/2024 10:09 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 20:36:12 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
And $15 million for a broken jaw? Really? That's a very optimistic lawyer. >>>Hint: USA lawsuits are different from UK lawsuits.
What does the UK have to do with it? This happened in NYC.
Oops. I have no clue why I thought the lawsuit was in England. When
I screw up this badly, it's usually the result of me reading something related just prior to posting. I was reading something about Brexit,
but that was 2 days ago and there were no lawsuits involved. I'll try
to clean up my act, but I don't know how to prevent such things. Give
up drinking lemonade?
In the USA, both
parties pay their own legal bills. In UK, the loser pays for both
parties legal bills:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_rule_(attorney%27s_fees)>
"The English rule provides that the party that loses in court pays the
other party's legal costs. The English rule contrasts with the
American rule, under which each party is generally responsible for
paying its own attorney fees..."
In the US they normally include court costs and lawyers fees as line
items in the suit. If they don't, it's a sloppy attorney.
The lawyer can theoretically lose money if he fails to convince the
court or jury. I have no clue what happens if an attorney defaults on
paying the defendants legal fees.
I'm not sure what this means:
"The rationale for the English rule is that a litigant (whether
bringing a claim or defending a claim) is entitled to legal
representation and, if successful, should not be left out of pocket by
reason of their own legal fees. It should be borne in mind that, in
virtually all English civil litigation, damages are merely
compensatory."
Also:
"The English rule is followed by nearly every Western democracy other
than the United States."
In my never humble opinion, I believe that this should be changed in
the USA to follow the English rule.
More:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costs_in_English_law>
On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 20:36:12 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
And $15 million for a broken jaw? Really? That's a very optimistic lawyer.
Hint: USA lawsuits are different from UK lawsuits. In the USA, both
parties pay their own legal bills. In UK, the loser pays for both
parties legal bills: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_rule_(attorney%27s_fees)>
"The English rule provides that the party that loses in court pays the
other party's legal costs. The English rule contrasts with the
American rule, under which each party is generally responsible for
paying its own attorney fees..."
The lawyer can theoretically lose money if he fails to convince the
court or jury. I have no clue what happens if an attorney defaults on
paying the defendants legal fees.
I'm not sure what this means:
"The rationale for the English rule is that a litigant (whether
bringing a claim or defending a claim) is entitled to legal
representation and, if successful, should not be left out of pocket by
reason of their own legal fees. It should be borne in mind that, in
virtually all English civil litigation, damages are merely
compensatory."
Also:
"The English rule is followed by nearly every Western democracy other
than the United States."
In my never humble opinion, I believe that this should be changed in
the USA to follow the English rule.
More:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costs_in_English_law>
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
https://nypost.com/2024/11/16/us-news/teen-sues-citi-bike-for-15m-over-brake-related-nyc-crash-that-broke-jaw/Yup even if just the rear brake would be able to stop, the london Boris
Photo seems to show hydraulic drums (?? who makes that?).
Current model, no tech details:
https://www.timeout.com/newyork/news/lyft-has-unveiled-new-electric-citi-bikes-in-nyc-042922-1
Local rider reports:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Citibike/comments/ujpbsu/quick_thoughts_on_new_ebikes/
Today's report caught my eye because there are clearly
separate front and rear braking systems. Simultaneous
failure of both would be extremely unlikely unless
purposefully damaged IMHO.
bikes have fairly woeful cable drum brakes or did at least!
But not dangerous just a bit crap!
Roger Merriman
On 11/18/2024 2:53 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
https://nypost.com/2024/11/16/us-news/teen-sues-citi-bike-for-15m-over-brake-related-nyc-crash-that-broke-jaw/Yup even if just the rear brake would be able to stop, the london Boris
Photo seems to show hydraulic drums (?? who makes that?).
Current model, no tech details:
https://www.timeout.com/newyork/news/lyft-has-unveiled-new-electric-citi-bikes-in-nyc-042922-1
Local rider reports:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Citibike/comments/ujpbsu/quick_thoughts_on_new_ebikes/
Today's report caught my eye because there are clearly
separate front and rear braking systems. Simultaneous
failure of both would be extremely unlikely unless
purposefully damaged IMHO.
bikes have fairly woeful cable drum brakes or did at least!
But not dangerous just a bit crap!
Roger Merriman
Drums are popular for rentals because the users don't screw
around with the mechanism as much and they are the same (not
exceptional, just consistent) wet or dry.
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 11/18/2024 2:53 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:Oh it fitted the use case perfectly, and is still cable disk as is the Lime bikes, I’m unclear as to the advantages of a hydraulic drum system in this situation?
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
https://nypost.com/2024/11/16/us-news/teen-sues-citi-bike-for-15m-over-brake-related-nyc-crash-that-broke-jaw/Yup even if just the rear brake would be able to stop, the london Boris
Photo seems to show hydraulic drums (?? who makes that?).
Current model, no tech details:
https://www.timeout.com/newyork/news/lyft-has-unveiled-new-electric-citi-bikes-in-nyc-042922-1
Local rider reports:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Citibike/comments/ujpbsu/quick_thoughts_on_new_ebikes/
Today's report caught my eye because there are clearly
separate front and rear braking systems. Simultaneous
failure of both would be extremely unlikely unless
purposefully damaged IMHO.
bikes have fairly woeful cable drum brakes or did at least!
But not dangerous just a bit crap!
Roger Merriman
Drums are popular for rentals because the users don't screw
around with the mechanism as much and they are the same (not
exceptional, just consistent) wet or dry.
Though I guess sealed system and all that, though a cable system even with crunchy cables is going to still work, and is good enough for who it’s for and all that!
Ie I might have been sniffy about it, but I’m used to hydraulic disks and have used them for years decades even.
Roger Merriman
On 11/18/2024 12:53 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Oops. I have no clue why I thought the lawsuit was in England. When
I screw up this badly, it's usually the result of me reading something
related just prior to posting. I was reading something about Brexit,
but that was 2 days ago and there were no lawsuits involved. I'll try
to clean up my act, but I don't know how to prevent such things. Give
up drinking lemonade?
Those damn lemons, they're a gateway drug!
There are good arguments both ways and the 'best' system to
adopt is unclear to me. example:
https://www.lawmoss.com/publication-everybody-pays-attorneys-fees-and-the-american-rule
Wolfgang Strobl <news5@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Am Sun, 17 Nov 2024 15:31:11 -0600 schrieb AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org>:
https://nypost.com/2024/11/16/us-news/teen-sues-citi-bike-for-15m-over-brake-related-nyc-crash-that-broke-jaw/
Photo seems to show hydraulic drums (?? who makes that?).
Current model, no tech details:
https://www.timeout.com/newyork/news/lyft-has-unveiled-new-electric-citi-bikes-in-nyc-042922-1
Local rider reports:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Citibike/comments/ujpbsu/quick_thoughts_on_new_ebikes/
Today's report caught my eye because there are clearly
separate front and rear braking systems. Simultaneous
failure of both would be extremely unlikely unless
purposefully damaged IMHO.
On a steep descent, failure of the front brake might be enough to cause
an accident. An inexperienced rider who only uses the rear brake could
do the same. I wouldn't read too much into "the brakes failed"
(plural). This is unnecessarily vague. Perhaps intentionally?
It seems unlikely that the brakes would be a single system, and I’d assume >would need to be two separate systems but possibly not? in uk at least you >need two separate and working systems.
America is a bit more relaxed about regulation in that regard, see the
speeds that some E bikes can legally reach.
Seems to be a hill and plenty of folks if one looks on Strava seem to
| On the return trip about a half-hour later, Akera tried to
| slow down the steep stretch of Eastern Parkway as it
| approaches Nostrand Ave, and when the brakes failed, she
| tried to use her feet, according to the Brooklyn Federal
| Court filing.
In any case, it confirms my prejudice that many people can't really cope
with the demands of powerful engines in vehicles they think are
bicycles.
bombing down, I’d assume that much like London’s Boris bikes (which are >slowly moving to electric) which are broadly same weight, ie 23kg, so does >build speed.
This said has a 20mph limiter on both the E versions of the Citibikes and >it’s not mentioned in the article unless I’ve missed it if it was Electric >powered or not, the gradients looks enough to get the bike beyond the >limiter, which is also my experience ie rolling off the flyover on my heavy >lump of commute bike it will top 20mph freewheeling, it’s still >accelerating when I brake for the junction, so probably would keep going.
Doesn’t look like a e thing!
More a someone did something foolish which does happen.
On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 14:59:35 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
(chomp)
There are good arguments both ways and the 'best' system to
adopt is unclear to me. example:
https://www.lawmoss.com/publication-everybody-pays-attorneys-fees-and-the-american-rule
Somehow, I would expect a member of the legal establishment to argue
on the side of whatever financially benefits the legal establishment.
Let's see which system results in the lowest legal fees:
<https://instituteforlegalreform.com/wp-content/uploads/media/ILR_NERA_Study_International_Liability_Costs-update.pdf>
• The U.S. has the highest liability costs
as a percentage of GDP of the countries
surveyed, with liability costs at 2.6
times the average level of the Eurozone
economies (see Figure 1).
• U.S. liability costs are four times higher
than those of the least costly European
countries in our study – Belgium, the
Netherlands and Portugal.
• Although the U.S. has by far the most
costly liability system, our analysis shows
that liability costs in the U.K., Germany
and Denmark have risen between 13%
and 25% per year since 2008.
• Features of the legal environment in each
country are highly correlated with litigation
costs, implying that changes to the liability
system may have a substantial effect
on costs. A common law (rather than
civil law) tradition and a high number of
lawyers per capita are strong indicators of
higher litigation costs.
Looks like the winner of the highest cost for liability litigation
(2.6 times the average cost of other European counties) is the USA.
Yes, I know this only for liability litigation, but I couldn't find
better numbers that cover all aspects of the litigation.
More on "attorney fee shifting" <https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/64348/does-any-other-country-besides-the-us-employ-something-substantially-different>
Am 18 Nov 2024 20:29:35 GMT schrieb Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>:
Wolfgang Strobl <news5@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Am Sun, 17 Nov 2024 15:31:11 -0600 schrieb AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org>:
https://nypost.com/2024/11/16/us-news/teen-sues-citi-bike-for-15m-over-brake-related-nyc-crash-that-broke-jaw/
Photo seems to show hydraulic drums (?? who makes that?).
Current model, no tech details:
https://www.timeout.com/newyork/news/lyft-has-unveiled-new-electric-citi-bikes-in-nyc-042922-1
Local rider reports:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Citibike/comments/ujpbsu/quick_thoughts_on_new_ebikes/
Today's report caught my eye because there are clearly
separate front and rear braking systems. Simultaneous
failure of both would be extremely unlikely unless
purposefully damaged IMHO.
On a steep descent, failure of the front brake might be enough to cause
an accident. An inexperienced rider who only uses the rear brake could
do the same. I wouldn't read too much into "the brakes failed"
(plural). This is unnecessarily vague. Perhaps intentionally?
It seems unlikely that the brakes would be a single system, and I’d assume >> would need to be two separate systems but possibly not? in uk at least you >> need two separate and working systems.
I was talking specifically about a system with two independent brakes,
one brake on the front wheel and one independent brake on the rear
wheel.
Two independend brakes on bicycles are mandatory in Germany for longer
than I've been alive. Interpretation varies, some people believe that a
front brake as a separate component and the option of braking using the
rear wheel on a fixie fulfills this requirement: if the front brake
fails, braking that way is no worse and sometimes better than having to
use a coaster brake (I agree with that).
America is a bit more relaxed about regulation in that regard, see the
speeds that some E bikes can legally reach.
Don't know about the US. AFIK, there is no uniform law for bicycles,
over there. Unfortunately, by equating some 25 km/h E-bikes to bicycles, German bicycle law got somewhat eroded, too.
Seems to be a hill and plenty of folks if one looks on Strava seem to
| On the return trip about a half-hour later, Akera tried to
| slow down the steep stretch of Eastern Parkway as it
| approaches Nostrand Ave, and when the brakes failed, she
| tried to use her feet, according to the Brooklyn Federal
| Court filing.
In any case, it confirms my prejudice that many people can't really cope >>> with the demands of powerful engines in vehicles they think are
bicycles.
bombing down, I’d assume that much like London’s Boris bikes (which are >> slowly moving to electric) which are broadly same weight, ie 23kg, so does >> build speed.
I didn't look that up. It's probably a bike path located here
<https://maps.app.goo.gl/wX99gKXWGuJ7NJzQ6> <https://brouter.m11n.de/#map=16/40.6701/-73.9514/osm-mapnik-german_style&lonlats=-73.955195,40.669983;-73.948087,40.66958&profile=trekking
2-3 percent according to bikerouter, that isn't steep.
About a kilometer from my doorstep, it's going up for a a bit more than
a kilometer with six percent. And this is the easy route via the main
road. Two car-free scenic routes have either a constant 12 percent or
vary between 10 and 16 percent.
This said has a 20mph limiter on both the E versions of the Citibikes and
it’s not mentioned in the article unless I’ve missed it if it was Electric
powered or not, the gradients looks enough to get the bike beyond the
limiter, which is also my experience ie rolling off the flyover on my heavy >> lump of commute bike it will top 20mph freewheeling, it’s still
accelerating when I brake for the junction, so probably would keep going.
A person on a bikes like these is good for 30 km/h, (~18 mph) on a 3
percent descent, just by rolling. So a motor with a 20mph cutoff doesn't matter much in this case.
Depending on your riding position, you might get much faster, even on a
heavy commute bike. Being heavy actually makes you faster. A heavy
cyclist on a heavy road bike in the lower bar position might reach 40
km/h, given enough time. I very much doubt that person riding the aforementioned E-bike is doing that, though.
Doesn’t look like a e thing!
The flash on the first picture in the nyp article <https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/11/citibike-east-village-teen-broke-93649760.jpg?resize=1024,683&quality=75&strip=all>
and the large box around the bottom bracket suggests E-bike.
More a someone did something foolish which does happen.
Probably. But we don't know. Those B-Bikes limited to 25 km/h that I remember from my youth (in Germany, we call them Mofa (shortened from Motorfahrrad aka motorized bicycle) where really limited to 25 km/h, the motor worked as an engine brake above 25 km/h. Contemporary E-Bikes are
not.
People who are unable to ride even 50 easy meters uphill now use their
e-bike to ride up almost any steep incline with virtually unlimited
elevation gain. Of course, this causes accidents that didn't happen
before because no one was able to do so without acquiring the necessary skills, during the time that is needed to aquire the necessary strength
and endurance.
On 11/18/2024 11:37 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 15:59:11 -0500, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 11/18/2024 12:53 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Oops. I have no clue why I thought the lawsuit was in England. When >>>> I screw up this badly, it's usually the result of me reading something >>>> related just prior to posting. I was reading something about Brexit, >>>> but that was 2 days ago and there were no lawsuits involved. I'll try >>>> to clean up my act, but I don't know how to prevent such things. Give >>>> up drinking lemonade?
Those damn lemons, they're a gateway drug!
I asked a friend (who has a background in psychology) if she could
offer a clue as to why I seem to change the discussion topic and go
wandering off into the weeds chasing a different topic. After about
five seconds of contemplation, she declared that anyone who talks (and
writes) as much as I do, would statistically make a large number of
mistakes based solely on the percentages involved. I really hate her
answer, but I think she is probably right.
Don't feel bad. "Mistakes" are the foundation of evolution, because some
of them trigger improvements.
"Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible." - Frank Zappa
(... not that I like Zappa's deviations from the norm.)
On 11/19/2024 10:42 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/18/2024 11:37 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 15:59:11 -0500, Zen Cycle
<funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 11/18/2024 12:53 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Oops. I have no clue why I thought the lawsuit was in
England. When
I screw up this badly, it's usually the result of me
reading something
related just prior to posting. I was reading something
about Brexit,
but that was 2 days ago and there were no lawsuits
involved. I'll try
to clean up my act, but I don't know how to prevent
such things. Give
up drinking lemonade?
Those damn lemons, they're a gateway drug!
I asked a friend (who has a background in psychology) if
she could
offer a clue as to why I seem to change the discussion
topic and go
wandering off into the weeds chasing a different topic.
After about
five seconds of contemplation, she declared that anyone
who talks (and
writes) as much as I do, would statistically make a large
number of
mistakes based solely on the percentages involved. I
really hate her
answer, but I think she is probably right.
Don't feel bad. "Mistakes" are the foundation of
evolution, because some of them trigger improvements.
"Without deviation from the norm, progress is not
possible." - Frank Zappa
(... not that I like Zappa's deviations from the norm.)
I'm actually a big fan
On 11/20/2024 4:36 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 11/19/2024 10:42 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/18/2024 11:37 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 15:59:11 -0500, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> >>>> wrote:
On 11/18/2024 12:53 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Oops. I have no clue why I thought the lawsuit was in England. When >>>>>> I screw up this badly, it's usually the result of me reading
something
related just prior to posting. I was reading something about Brexit, >>>>>> but that was 2 days ago and there were no lawsuits involved. I'll >>>>>> try
to clean up my act, but I don't know how to prevent such things.
Give
up drinking lemonade?
Those damn lemons, they're a gateway drug!
I asked a friend (who has a background in psychology) if she could
offer a clue as to why I seem to change the discussion topic and go
wandering off into the weeds chasing a different topic. After about
five seconds of contemplation, she declared that anyone who talks (and >>>> writes) as much as I do, would statistically make a large number of
mistakes based solely on the percentages involved. I really hate her >>>> answer, but I think she is probably right.
Don't feel bad. "Mistakes" are the foundation of evolution, because
some of them trigger improvements.
"Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible." - Frank
Zappa
(... not that I like Zappa's deviations from the norm.)
I'm actually a big fan
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