On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 22:34:55 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
The US national debt was out of control because no one cared about it.
Well, the Nation Debt per capita is about the same as it was after WW II.
So with someone in the White House that WANTS to pay it off, he can use
extraordinary means by closing down large sections of government that have >> been spending money like it was water. The CIA for instance used to be an
organization that gathered intelligence that showed threats to the USA.
Then it became captured by the Military-Industrial complex and started
every war since Korea.
I find that a very interesting statement. Please provide some more information on how the CIA started the Vietnam war.
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 20:02:21 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 11/24/2024 7:55 PM, John B. wrote:Are you sure of your data?
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 22:34:55 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
The US national debt was out of control because no one cared about it. >>>> Well, the Nation Debt per capita is about the same as it was after WW II. >>>> So with someone in the White House that WANTS to pay it off, he can use >>>> extraordinary means by closing down large sections of government that have >>>> been spending money like it was water. The CIA for instance used to be an >>>> organization that gathered intelligence that showed threats to the USA. >>>> Then it became captured by the Military-Industrial complex and started >>>> every war since Korea.
I find that a very interesting statement. Please provide some more
information on how the CIA started the Vietnam war.
Woodrow Wilson, a flagrant racist, refused to meet with Ho
Chi Minh at Versailles in 1919 about decolonizing French
Indochina.
I ask as in 1919 Ho was a 29 year old "no body", a member of the
Groupe des Patriotes Annamites (The Group of Vietnamese Patriots) and,
The group petitioned for recognition of the civil rights of the
Vietnamese people in French Indochina to the Western powers at the
Versailles peace talks, but they were ignored.
Citing the principle of self-determination outlined before the peace accords, they requested the allied powers to end French colonial rule
of Vietnam and ensure the formation of an independent government.
Before the conference, the group sent their letter to allied leaders, including French Prime Minister Georges Clemenceau and United States President Woodrow Wilson. They were unable to obtain consideration at Versailles,
The CIA was formed to replace OSS in 1947, 28 years after
the die was cast.
In April 1945, he met with the OSS agent Archimedes Patti and offered
to provide intelligence, asking only for "a line of communication"
between his Viet Minh and the Allies. The OSS agreed to this and later
sent a military team of OSS members to train his men.The OSS team
arrived in Vietnam on or about May 1945 and departed Vietnam in
September 1945.
The Geneva Accords in 1954 partitioned the country temporarily in two
with a promise of democratic elections in 1956 to reunite the country.
The United States and South Vietnam insisted on United Nations
supervision of any election to prevent fraud, which the Soviet Union
and North Vietnam refused. North and South Vietnam therefore remained
divided until the Vietnam War ended with the Fall of Saigon in 1975.
On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 06:57:21 -0500, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 11/24/2024 10:22 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 20:02:21 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 11/24/2024 7:55 PM, John B. wrote:Are you sure of your data?
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 22:34:55 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
The US national debt was out of control because no one cared about it. >>>>>> Well, the Nation Debt per capita is about the same as it was after WW II.
So with someone in the White House that WANTS to pay it off, he can use >>>>>> extraordinary means by closing down large sections of government that have
been spending money like it was water. The CIA for instance used to be an
organization that gathered intelligence that showed threats to the USA. >>>>>> Then it became captured by the Military-Industrial complex and started >>>>>> every war since Korea.
I find that a very interesting statement. Please provide some more
information on how the CIA started the Vietnam war.
Woodrow Wilson, a flagrant racist, refused to meet with Ho
Chi Minh at Versailles in 1919 about decolonizing French
Indochina.
I ask as in 1919 Ho was a 29 year old "no body", a member of the
Groupe des Patriotes Annamites (The Group of Vietnamese Patriots) and,
The group petitioned for recognition of the civil rights of the
Vietnamese people in French Indochina to the Western powers at the
Versailles peace talks, but they were ignored.
Citing the principle of self-determination outlined before the peace
accords, they requested the allied powers to end French colonial rule
of Vietnam and ensure the formation of an independent government.
Before the conference, the group sent their letter to allied leaders,
including French Prime Minister Georges Clemenceau and United States
President Woodrow Wilson. They were unable to obtain consideration at
Versailles,
That's from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ho_Chi_Minh#Political_education_in_France
The CIA was formed to replace OSS in 1947, 28 years after
the die was cast.
In April 1945, he met with the OSS agent Archimedes Patti and offered
to provide intelligence, asking only for "a line of communication"
between his Viet Minh and the Allies. The OSS agreed to this and later
sent a military team of OSS members to train his men.The OSS team
arrived in Vietnam on or about May 1945 and departed Vietnam in
September 1945.
That's from
https://historydraft.com/story/ho-chi-minh/ho-met-with-the-oss-agent-archimedes-patti/415/5730
The Geneva Accords in 1954 partitioned the country temporarily in two
with a promise of democratic elections in 1956 to reunite the country.
That's from several sources:
https://dbpedia.org/page/History_of_Vietnam_(1945%E2%80%93present)
The United States and South Vietnam insisted on United Nations
supervision of any election to prevent fraud, which the Soviet Union
and North Vietnam refused. North and South Vietnam therefore remained
divided until the Vietnam War ended with the Fall of Saigon in 1975.
and this is from here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Vietnam_(1945-present)
It's poor form to cut-n-paste without attribution, john, even in usenet.
I was replying to Mr. Andrew's post which wasn't attributed either...
(:-)
On 11/24/2024 10:22 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 20:02:21 -0600, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 11/24/2024 7:55 PM, John B. wrote:Are you sure of your data?
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 22:34:55 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
The US national debt was out of control because no one
cared about it.
Well, the Nation Debt per capita is about the same as
it was after WW II.
So with someone in the White House that WANTS to pay it
off, he can use
extraordinary means by closing down large sections of
government that have
been spending money like it was water. The CIA for
instance used to be an
organization that gathered intelligence that showed
threats to the USA.
Then it became captured by the Military-Industrial
complex and started
every war since Korea.
I find that a very interesting statement. Please provide
some more
information on how the CIA started the Vietnam war.
Woodrow Wilson, a flagrant racist, refused to meet with Ho
Chi Minh at Versailles in 1919 about decolonizing French
Indochina.
I ask as in 1919 Ho was a 29 year old "no body", a member
of the
Groupe des Patriotes Annamites (The Group of Vietnamese
Patriots) and,
The group petitioned for recognition of the civil rights
of the
Vietnamese people in French Indochina to the Western
powers at the
Versailles peace talks, but they were ignored.
Citing the principle of self-determination outlined
before the peace
accords, they requested the allied powers to end French
colonial rule
of Vietnam and ensure the formation of an independent
government.
Before the conference, the group sent their letter to
allied leaders,
including French Prime Minister Georges Clemenceau and
United States
President Woodrow Wilson. They were unable to obtain
consideration at
Versailles,
That's from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Ho_Chi_Minh#Political_education_in_France
The CIA was formed to replace OSS in 1947, 28 years after
the die was cast.
In April 1945, he met with the OSS agent Archimedes Patti
and offered
to provide intelligence, asking only for "a line of
communication"
between his Viet Minh and the Allies. The OSS agreed to
this and later
sent a military team of OSS members to train his men.The
OSS team
arrived in Vietnam on or about May 1945 and departed
Vietnam in
September 1945.
That's from https://historydraft.com/story/ho-chi-minh/ho- met-with-the-oss-agent-archimedes-patti/415/5730
The Geneva Accords in 1954 partitioned the country
temporarily in two
with a promise of democratic elections in 1956 to reunite
the country.
That's from several sources:
https://dbpedia.org/page/
History_of_Vietnam_(1945%E2%80%93present)
The United States and South Vietnam insisted on United
Nations
supervision of any election to prevent fraud, which the
Soviet Union
and North Vietnam refused. North and South Vietnam
therefore remained
divided until the Vietnam War ended with the Fall of
Saigon in 1975.
and this is from here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Vietnam_(1945-present)
It's poor form to cut-n-paste without attribution, john,
even in usenet.
On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 06:57:21 -0500, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 11/24/2024 10:22 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 20:02:21 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 11/24/2024 7:55 PM, John B. wrote:Are you sure of your data?
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 22:34:55 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
The US national debt was out of control because no one cared about it. >>>>>> Well, the Nation Debt per capita is about the same as it was after WW II.
So with someone in the White House that WANTS to pay it off, he can use >>>>>> extraordinary means by closing down large sections of government that have
been spending money like it was water. The CIA for instance used to be an
organization that gathered intelligence that showed threats to the USA. >>>>>> Then it became captured by the Military-Industrial complex and started >>>>>> every war since Korea.
I find that a very interesting statement. Please provide some more
information on how the CIA started the Vietnam war.
Woodrow Wilson, a flagrant racist, refused to meet with Ho
Chi Minh at Versailles in 1919 about decolonizing French
Indochina.
I ask as in 1919 Ho was a 29 year old "no body", a member of the
Groupe des Patriotes Annamites (The Group of Vietnamese Patriots) and,
The group petitioned for recognition of the civil rights of the
Vietnamese people in French Indochina to the Western powers at the
Versailles peace talks, but they were ignored.
Citing the principle of self-determination outlined before the peace
accords, they requested the allied powers to end French colonial rule
of Vietnam and ensure the formation of an independent government.
Before the conference, the group sent their letter to allied leaders,
including French Prime Minister Georges Clemenceau and United States
President Woodrow Wilson. They were unable to obtain consideration at
Versailles,
That's from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ho_Chi_Minh#Political_education_in_France
The CIA was formed to replace OSS in 1947, 28 years after
the die was cast.
In April 1945, he met with the OSS agent Archimedes Patti and offered
to provide intelligence, asking only for "a line of communication"
between his Viet Minh and the Allies. The OSS agreed to this and later
sent a military team of OSS members to train his men.The OSS team
arrived in Vietnam on or about May 1945 and departed Vietnam in
September 1945.
That's from
https://historydraft.com/story/ho-chi-minh/ho-met-with-the-oss-agent-archimedes-patti/415/5730
The Geneva Accords in 1954 partitioned the country temporarily in two
with a promise of democratic elections in 1956 to reunite the country.
That's from several sources:
https://dbpedia.org/page/History_of_Vietnam_(1945%E2%80%93present)
The United States and South Vietnam insisted on United Nations
supervision of any election to prevent fraud, which the Soviet Union
and North Vietnam refused. North and South Vietnam therefore remained
divided until the Vietnam War ended with the Fall of Saigon in 1975.
and this is from here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Vietnam_(1945-present)
It's poor form to cut-n-paste without attribution, john, even in usenet.
I was replying to Mr. Andrew's post which wasn't attributed either...
(:-)
On 11/25/2024 7:57 AM, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 06:57:21 -0500, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 11/24/2024 10:22 PM, John B. wrote:I was replying to Mr. Andrew's post which wasn't
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 20:02:21 -0600, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 11/24/2024 7:55 PM, John B. wrote:Are you sure of your data?
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 22:34:55 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
The US national debt was out of control because no
one cared about it.
Well, the Nation Debt per capita is about the same as
it was after WW II.
So with someone in the White House that WANTS to pay
it off, he can use
extraordinary means by closing down large sections of
government that have
been spending money like it was water. The CIA for
instance used to be an
organization that gathered intelligence that showed
threats to the USA.
Then it became captured by the Military-Industrial
complex and started
every war since Korea.
I find that a very interesting statement. Please
provide some more
information on how the CIA started the Vietnam war.
Woodrow Wilson, a flagrant racist, refused to meet with Ho
Chi Minh at Versailles in 1919 about decolonizing French
Indochina.
I ask as in 1919 Ho was a 29 year old "no body", a
member of the
Groupe des Patriotes Annamites (The Group of Vietnamese
Patriots) and,
The group petitioned for recognition of the civil rights
of the
Vietnamese people in French Indochina to the Western
powers at the
Versailles peace talks, but they were ignored.
Citing the principle of self-determination outlined
before the peace
accords, they requested the allied powers to end French
colonial rule
of Vietnam and ensure the formation of an independent
government.
Before the conference, the group sent their letter to
allied leaders,
including French Prime Minister Georges Clemenceau and
United States
President Woodrow Wilson. They were unable to obtain
consideration at
Versailles,
That's from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Ho_Chi_Minh#Political_education_in_France
The CIA was formed to replace OSS in 1947, 28 years after
the die was cast.
In April 1945, he met with the OSS agent Archimedes
Patti and offered
to provide intelligence, asking only for "a line of
communication"
between his Viet Minh and the Allies. The OSS agreed to
this and later
sent a military team of OSS members to train his men.The
OSS team
arrived in Vietnam on or about May 1945 and departed
Vietnam in
September 1945.
That's from
https://historydraft.com/story/ho-chi-minh/ho-met-with-
the-oss-agent-archimedes-patti/415/5730
The Geneva Accords in 1954 partitioned the country
temporarily in two
with a promise of democratic elections in 1956 to
reunite the country.
That's from several sources:
https://dbpedia.org/page/
History_of_Vietnam_(1945%E2%80%93present)
The United States and South Vietnam insisted on United
Nations
supervision of any election to prevent fraud, which the
Soviet Union
and North Vietnam refused. North and South Vietnam
therefore remained
divided until the Vietnam War ended with the Fall of
Saigon in 1975.
and this is from here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Vietnam_(1945-
present)
It's poor form to cut-n-paste without attribution, john,
even in usenet.
attributed either...
(:-)
Andrew has a discernible writing style.
You have a discernible writing style.
It's pretty obvious when Andrew is writing primary thought,
as are you.
Andrews post was consistent with his primary thought style.
Yours wasn't.
On 11/25/2024 9:49 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/25/2024 8:39 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 11/25/2024 7:57 AM, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 06:57:21 -0500, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 11/24/2024 10:22 PM, John B. wrote:I was replying to Mr. Andrew's post which wasn't
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 20:02:21 -0600, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 11/24/2024 7:55 PM, John B. wrote:Are you sure of your data?
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 22:34:55 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
The US national debt was out of control because no
one cared about it.
Well, the Nation Debt per capita is about the same
as it was after WW II.
So with someone in the White House that WANTS to
pay it off, he can use
extraordinary means by closing down large sections
of government that have
been spending money like it was water. The CIA for
instance used to be an
organization that gathered intelligence that showed
threats to the USA.
Then it became captured by the Military-Industrial
complex and started
every war since Korea.
I find that a very interesting statement. Please
provide some more
information on how the CIA started the Vietnam war.
Woodrow Wilson, a flagrant racist, refused to meet
with Ho
Chi Minh at Versailles in 1919 about decolonizing French
Indochina.
I ask as in 1919 Ho was a 29 year old "no body", a
member of the
Groupe des Patriotes Annamites (The Group of
Vietnamese Patriots) and,
The group petitioned for recognition of the civil
rights of the
Vietnamese people in French Indochina to the Western
powers at the
Versailles peace talks, but they were ignored.
Citing the principle of self-determination outlined
before the peace
accords, they requested the allied powers to end
French colonial rule
of Vietnam and ensure the formation of an independent
government.
Before the conference, the group sent their letter to
allied leaders,
including French Prime Minister Georges Clemenceau and
United States
President Woodrow Wilson. They were unable to obtain
consideration at
Versailles,
That's from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Ho_Chi_Minh#Political_education_in_France
The CIA was formed to replace OSS in 1947, 28 years
after
the die was cast.
In April 1945, he met with the OSS agent Archimedes
Patti and offered
to provide intelligence, asking only for "a line of
communication"
between his Viet Minh and the Allies. The OSS agreed
to this and later
sent a military team of OSS members to train his
men.The OSS team
arrived in Vietnam on or about May 1945 and departed
Vietnam in
September 1945.
That's from
https://historydraft.com/story/ho-chi-minh/ho-met-with-
the-oss- agent-archimedes-patti/415/5730
The Geneva Accords in 1954 partitioned the country
temporarily in two
with a promise of democratic elections in 1956 to
reunite the country.
That's from several sources:
https://dbpedia.org/page/
History_of_Vietnam_(1945%E2%80%93present)
The United States and South Vietnam insisted on United
Nations
supervision of any election to prevent fraud, which
the Soviet Union
and North Vietnam refused. North and South Vietnam
therefore remained
divided until the Vietnam War ended with the Fall of
Saigon in 1975.
and this is from here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Vietnam_(1945-
present)
It's poor form to cut-n-paste without attribution,
john, even in usenet.
attributed either...
(:-)
Andrew has a discernible writing style.
You have a discernible writing style.
It's pretty obvious when Andrew is writing primary
thought, as are you.
Andrews post was consistent with his primary thought style.
Yours wasn't.
Thank you.
I once typed a college paper for my youngest brother from
his handwritten draft. I cleaned up the punctuation and
grammar along the way. He was graded F with the comment,
"This is not your work."
ugh...I can understand why that happened, but did he appeal
and show his original notes and explain he just had someone
else proof read it for grammar?
On 11/25/2024 8:39 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 11/25/2024 7:57 AM, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 06:57:21 -0500, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 11/24/2024 10:22 PM, John B. wrote:I was replying to Mr. Andrew's post which wasn't attributed either...
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 20:02:21 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>
On 11/24/2024 7:55 PM, John B. wrote:Are you sure of your data?
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 22:34:55 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
The US national debt was out of control because no one cared
about it.
Well, the Nation Debt per capita is about the same as it was
after WW II.
So with someone in the White House that WANTS to pay it off, he >>>>>>>> can use
extraordinary means by closing down large sections of government >>>>>>>> that have
been spending money like it was water. The CIA for instance used >>>>>>>> to be an
organization that gathered intelligence that showed threats to >>>>>>>> the USA.
Then it became captured by the Military-Industrial complex and >>>>>>>> started
every war since Korea.
I find that a very interesting statement. Please provide some more >>>>>>> information on how the CIA started the Vietnam war.
Woodrow Wilson, a flagrant racist, refused to meet with Ho
Chi Minh at Versailles in 1919 about decolonizing French
Indochina.
I ask as in 1919 Ho was a 29 year old "no body", a member of the
Groupe des Patriotes Annamites (The Group of Vietnamese Patriots) and, >>>>> The group petitioned for recognition of the civil rights of the
Vietnamese people in French Indochina to the Western powers at the
Versailles peace talks, but they were ignored.
Citing the principle of self-determination outlined before the
peace
accords, they requested the allied powers to end French colonial rule >>>>> of Vietnam and ensure the formation of an independent government.
Before the conference, the group sent their letter to allied leaders, >>>>> including French Prime Minister Georges Clemenceau and United States >>>>> President Woodrow Wilson. They were unable to obtain consideration at >>>>> Versailles,
That's from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Ho_Chi_Minh#Political_education_in_France
The CIA was formed to replace OSS in 1947, 28 years after
the die was cast.
In April 1945, he met with the OSS agent Archimedes Patti and offered >>>>> to provide intelligence, asking only for "a line of communication"
between his Viet Minh and the Allies. The OSS agreed to this and later >>>>> sent a military team of OSS members to train his men.The OSS team
arrived in Vietnam on or about May 1945 and departed Vietnam in
September 1945.
That's from
https://historydraft.com/story/ho-chi-minh/ho-met-with- the-oss-
agent-archimedes-patti/415/5730
The Geneva Accords in 1954 partitioned the country temporarily in two >>>>> with a promise of democratic elections in 1956 to reunite the country. >>>>That's from several sources:
https://dbpedia.org/page/ History_of_Vietnam_(1945%E2%80%93present)
The United States and South Vietnam insisted on United Nations
supervision of any election to prevent fraud, which the Soviet Union >>>>> and North Vietnam refused. North and South Vietnam therefore remained >>>>> divided until the Vietnam War ended with the Fall of Saigon in 1975.
and this is from here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Vietnam_(1945- present)
It's poor form to cut-n-paste without attribution, john, even in
usenet.
(:-)
Andrew has a discernible writing style.
You have a discernible writing style.
It's pretty obvious when Andrew is writing primary thought, as are you.
Andrews post was consistent with his primary thought style.
Yours wasn't.
Thank you.
I once typed a college paper for my youngest brother from his
handwritten draft. I cleaned up the punctuation and grammar along the
way. He was graded F with the comment, "This is not your work."
On 11/25/2024 9:16 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 11/25/2024 9:49 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/25/2024 8:39 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 11/25/2024 7:57 AM, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 06:57:21 -0500, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 11/24/2024 10:22 PM, John B. wrote:I was replying to Mr. Andrew's post which wasn't attributed either... >>>>> (:-)
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 20:02:21 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
wrote:
On 11/24/2024 7:55 PM, John B. wrote:Are you sure of your data?
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 22:34:55 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
The US national debt was out of control because no one cared >>>>>>>>>> about it.
Well, the Nation Debt per capita is about the same as it was >>>>>>>>>> after WW II.
So with someone in the White House that WANTS to pay it off, >>>>>>>>>> he can use
extraordinary means by closing down large sections of
government that have
been spending money like it was water. The CIA for instance >>>>>>>>>> used to be an
organization that gathered intelligence that showed threats to >>>>>>>>>> the USA.
Then it became captured by the Military-Industrial complex and >>>>>>>>>> started
every war since Korea.
I find that a very interesting statement. Please provide some more >>>>>>>>> information on how the CIA started the Vietnam war.
Woodrow Wilson, a flagrant racist, refused to meet with Ho
Chi Minh at Versailles in 1919 about decolonizing French
Indochina.
I ask as in 1919 Ho was a 29 year old "no body", a member of the >>>>>>> Groupe des Patriotes Annamites (The Group of Vietnamese Patriots) >>>>>>> and,
The group petitioned for recognition of the civil rights of the
Vietnamese people in French Indochina to the Western powers at the >>>>>>> Versailles peace talks, but they were ignored.
Citing the principle of self-determination outlined before the >>>>>>> peace
accords, they requested the allied powers to end French colonial >>>>>>> rule
of Vietnam and ensure the formation of an independent government. >>>>>>>
Before the conference, the group sent their letter to allied
leaders,
including French Prime Minister Georges Clemenceau and United States >>>>>>> President Woodrow Wilson. They were unable to obtain
consideration at
Versailles,
That's from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Ho_Chi_Minh#Political_education_in_France
The CIA was formed to replace OSS in 1947, 28 years after
the die was cast.
In April 1945, he met with the OSS agent Archimedes Patti and
offered
to provide intelligence, asking only for "a line of communication" >>>>>>> between his Viet Minh and the Allies. The OSS agreed to this and >>>>>>> later
sent a military team of OSS members to train his men.The OSS team >>>>>>> arrived in Vietnam on or about May 1945 and departed Vietnam in
September 1945.
That's from
https://historydraft.com/story/ho-chi-minh/ho-met-with- the-oss-
agent-archimedes-patti/415/5730
The Geneva Accords in 1954 partitioned the country temporarily in >>>>>>> two
with a promise of democratic elections in 1956 to reunite the
country.
That's from several sources:
https://dbpedia.org/page/ History_of_Vietnam_(1945%E2%80%93present) >>>>>>
The United States and South Vietnam insisted on United Nationsand this is from here:
supervision of any election to prevent fraud, which the Soviet Union >>>>>>> and North Vietnam refused. North and South Vietnam therefore
remained
divided until the Vietnam War ended with the Fall of Saigon in 1975. >>>>>>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Vietnam_(1945- present)
It's poor form to cut-n-paste without attribution, john, even in
usenet.
Andrew has a discernible writing style.
You have a discernible writing style.
It's pretty obvious when Andrew is writing primary thought, as are you. >>>> Andrews post was consistent with his primary thought style.
Yours wasn't.
Thank you.
I once typed a college paper for my youngest brother from his
handwritten draft. I cleaned up the punctuation and grammar along the
way. He was graded F with the comment, "This is not your work."
ugh...I can understand why that happened, but did he appeal and show
his original notes and explain he just had someone else proof read it
for grammar?
Yes he still had his notes.
On 11/25/2024 8:39 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 11/25/2024 7:57 AM, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 06:57:21 -0500, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 11/24/2024 10:22 PM, John B. wrote:I was replying to Mr. Andrew's post which wasn't
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 20:02:21 -0600, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 11/24/2024 7:55 PM, John B. wrote:Are you sure of your data?
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 22:34:55 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
The US national debt was out of control because no
one cared about it.
Well, the Nation Debt per capita is about the same as
it was after WW II.
So with someone in the White House that WANTS to pay
it off, he can use
extraordinary means by closing down large sections of
government that have
been spending money like it was water. The CIA for
instance used to be an
organization that gathered intelligence that showed
threats to the USA.
Then it became captured by the Military-Industrial
complex and started
every war since Korea.
I find that a very interesting statement. Please
provide some more
information on how the CIA started the Vietnam war.
Woodrow Wilson, a flagrant racist, refused to meet with Ho
Chi Minh at Versailles in 1919 about decolonizing French
Indochina.
I ask as in 1919 Ho was a 29 year old "no body", a
member of the
Groupe des Patriotes Annamites (The Group of Vietnamese
Patriots) and,
The group petitioned for recognition of the civil rights
of the
Vietnamese people in French Indochina to the Western
powers at the
Versailles peace talks, but they were ignored.
Citing the principle of self-determination outlined
before the peace
accords, they requested the allied powers to end French
colonial rule
of Vietnam and ensure the formation of an independent
government.
Before the conference, the group sent their letter to
allied leaders,
including French Prime Minister Georges Clemenceau and
United States
President Woodrow Wilson. They were unable to obtain
consideration at
Versailles,
That's from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Ho_Chi_Minh#Political_education_in_France
The CIA was formed to replace OSS in 1947, 28 years after
the die was cast.
In April 1945, he met with the OSS agent Archimedes
Patti and offered
to provide intelligence, asking only for "a line of
communication"
between his Viet Minh and the Allies. The OSS agreed to
this and later
sent a military team of OSS members to train his men.The
OSS team
arrived in Vietnam on or about May 1945 and departed
Vietnam in
September 1945.
That's from
https://historydraft.com/story/ho-chi-minh/ho-met-with-
the-oss-agent-archimedes-patti/415/5730
The Geneva Accords in 1954 partitioned the country
temporarily in two
with a promise of democratic elections in 1956 to
reunite the country.
That's from several sources:
https://dbpedia.org/page/
History_of_Vietnam_(1945%E2%80%93present)
The United States and South Vietnam insisted on United
Nations
supervision of any election to prevent fraud, which the
Soviet Union
and North Vietnam refused. North and South Vietnam
therefore remained
divided until the Vietnam War ended with the Fall of
Saigon in 1975.
and this is from here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Vietnam_(1945-
present)
It's poor form to cut-n-paste without attribution, john,
even in usenet.
attributed either...
(:-)
Andrew has a discernible writing style.
You have a discernible writing style.
It's pretty obvious when Andrew is writing primary thought,
as are you.
Andrews post was consistent with his primary thought style.
Yours wasn't.
Thank you.
I once typed a college paper for my youngest brother from
his handwritten draft. I cleaned up the punctuation and
grammar along the way. He was graded F with the comment,
"This is not your work."
On Mon Nov 25 07:37:48 2024 AMuzi wrote:
On 11/25/2024 5:57 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 11/24/2024 10:22 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 20:02:21 -0600, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 11/24/2024 7:55 PM, John B. wrote:Are you sure of your data?
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 22:34:55 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
The US national debt was out of control because no one
cared about it.
Well, the Nation Debt per capita is about the same as
it was after WW II.
So with someone in the White House that WANTS to pay it
off, he can use
extraordinary means by closing down large sections of
government that have
been spending money like it was water. The CIA for
instance used to be an
organization that gathered intelligence that showed
threats to the USA.
Then it became captured by the Military-Industrial
complex and started
every war since Korea.
I find that a very interesting statement. Please provide
some more
information on how the CIA started the Vietnam war.
Woodrow Wilson, a flagrant racist, refused to meet with Ho
Chi Minh at Versailles in 1919 about decolonizing French
Indochina.
I ask as in 1919 Ho was a 29 year old "no body", a member
of the
Groupe des Patriotes Annamites (The Group of Vietnamese
Patriots) and,
The group petitioned for recognition of the civil rights
of the
Vietnamese people in French Indochina to the Western
powers at the
Versailles peace talks, but they were ignored.
Citing the principle of self-determination outlined
before the peace
accords, they requested the allied powers to end French
colonial rule
of Vietnam and ensure the formation of an independent
government.
Before the conference, the group sent their letter to
allied leaders,
including French Prime Minister Georges Clemenceau and
United States
President Woodrow Wilson. They were unable to obtain
consideration at
Versailles,
That's from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Ho_Chi_Minh#Political_education_in_France
The CIA was formed to replace OSS in 1947, 28 years after
the die was cast.
In April 1945, he met with the OSS agent Archimedes Patti
and offered
to provide intelligence, asking only for "a line of
communication"
between his Viet Minh and the Allies. The OSS agreed to
this and later
sent a military team of OSS members to train his men.The
OSS team
arrived in Vietnam on or about May 1945 and departed
Vietnam in
September 1945.
That's from https://historydraft.com/story/ho-chi-minh/ho-
met-with-the-oss-agent-archimedes-patti/415/5730
The Geneva Accords in 1954 partitioned the country
temporarily in two
with a promise of democratic elections in 1956 to reunite
the country.
That's from several sources:
https://dbpedia.org/page/
History_of_Vietnam_(1945%E2%80%93present)
The United States and South Vietnam insisted on United
Nations
supervision of any election to prevent fraud, which the
Soviet Union
and North Vietnam refused. North and South Vietnam
therefore remained
divided until the Vietnam War ended with the Fall of
Saigon in 1975.
and this is from here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Vietnam_(1945-present)
It's poor form to cut-n-paste without attribution, john,
even in usenet.
And nothing quoted or cited implicates the CIA in 'starting
the Viet Nam war' which, considering various national
movements, the French, Japanese, Chinese and USA players and
many allies might best be written 'wars'.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
It was very well known that the communist forces of Ho Chi Minh backed by the Soviet Union were pretty much unbeatable because South Vietnam didn't care what government they were under as long as they had peace. Because of this, JFK was advised toreplace Eisenhower's military advisors with actual troops by the CIA. When JFK discovered that he had been lied to he decided to pull out and the CIA assassinated him. Lee Harvey Oswald was a CIA sniper and there was no possibility of Jack Ruby being
Johnson was not very smart but was willing to expand the war. Nixon knew all was lost but he used B52's to obtain a treaty to save face. The CIA was working for the military-industrial complex and not for America ever since. They got even with Nixonfor ending a war that was making the elite richer still.
On 11/25/2024 12:59 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon Nov 25 07:37:48 2024 AMuzi wrote:
On 11/25/2024 5:57 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 11/24/2024 10:22 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 20:02:21 -0600, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 11/24/2024 7:55 PM, John B. wrote:Are you sure of your data?
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 22:34:55 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
The US national debt was out of control because no one
cared about it.
Well, the Nation Debt per capita is about the same as
it was after WW II.
So with someone in the White House that WANTS to pay it
off, he can use
extraordinary means by closing down large sections of
government that have
been spending money like it was water. The CIA for
instance used to be an
organization that gathered intelligence that showed
threats to the USA.
Then it became captured by the Military-Industrial
complex and started
every war since Korea.
I find that a very interesting statement. Please provide
some more
information on how the CIA started the Vietnam war.
Woodrow Wilson, a flagrant racist, refused to meet with Ho
Chi Minh at Versailles in 1919 about decolonizing French
Indochina.
I ask as in 1919 Ho was a 29 year old "no body", a member
of the
Groupe des Patriotes Annamites (The Group of Vietnamese
Patriots) and,
The group petitioned for recognition of the civil rights
of the
Vietnamese people in French Indochina to the Western
powers at the
Versailles peace talks, but they were ignored.
Citing the principle of self-determination outlined
before the peace
accords, they requested the allied powers to end French
colonial rule
of Vietnam and ensure the formation of an independent
government.
Before the conference, the group sent their letter to
allied leaders,
including French Prime Minister Georges Clemenceau and
United States
President Woodrow Wilson. They were unable to obtain
consideration at
Versailles,
That's from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Ho_Chi_Minh#Political_education_in_France
The CIA was formed to replace OSS in 1947, 28 years after
the die was cast.
In April 1945, he met with the OSS agent Archimedes Patti
and offered
to provide intelligence, asking only for "a line of
communication"
between his Viet Minh and the Allies. The OSS agreed to
this and later
sent a military team of OSS members to train his men.The
OSS team
arrived in Vietnam on or about May 1945 and departed
Vietnam in
September 1945.
That's from https://historydraft.com/story/ho-chi-minh/ho-
met-with-the-oss-agent-archimedes-patti/415/5730
The Geneva Accords in 1954 partitioned the country
temporarily in two
with a promise of democratic elections in 1956 to reunite
the country.
That's from several sources:
https://dbpedia.org/page/
History_of_Vietnam_(1945%E2%80%93present)
The United States and South Vietnam insisted on United
Nations
supervision of any election to prevent fraud, which the
Soviet Union
and North Vietnam refused. North and South Vietnam
therefore remained
divided until the Vietnam War ended with the Fall of
Saigon in 1975.
and this is from here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Vietnam_(1945-present)
It's poor form to cut-n-paste without attribution, john,
even in usenet.
And nothing quoted or cited implicates the CIA in 'starting
the Viet Nam war' which, considering various national
movements, the French, Japanese, Chinese and USA players and
many allies might best be written 'wars'.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
It was very well known that the communist forces of Ho Chi Minh backed
by the Soviet Union were pretty much unbeatable because South Vietnam
didn't care what government they were under as long as they had peace.
Because of this, JFK was advised to replace Eisenhower's military
advisors with actual troops by the CIA. When JFK discovered that he
had been lied to he decided to pull out and the CIA assassinated him.
Lee Harvey Oswald was a CIA sniper and there was no possibility of
Jack Ruby being armed in a police station where they were moving
Oswald. Ruby would not have then hung himself in his cell.
Johnson was not very smart but was willing to expand the war. Nixon
knew all was lost but he used B52's to obtain a treaty to save face.
The CIA was working for the military-industrial complex and not for
America ever since. They got even with Nixon for ending a war that was
making the elite richer still.
That's all highly revisionist and doesn't match actual history very well.
On 11/25/2024 2:11 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/25/2024 12:59 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon Nov 25 07:37:48 2024 AMuzi wrote:
On 11/25/2024 5:57 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 11/24/2024 10:22 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 20:02:21 -0600, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 11/24/2024 7:55 PM, John B. wrote:Are you sure of your data?
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 22:34:55 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
The US national debt was out of control because no one
cared about it.
Well, the Nation Debt per capita is about the same as
it was after WW II.
So with someone in the White House that WANTS to
pay it
off, he can use
extraordinary means by closing down large sections of
government that have
been spending money like it was water. The CIA for
instance used to be an
organization that gathered intelligence that showed
threats to the USA.
Then it became captured by the Military-Industrial
complex and started
every war since Korea.
I find that a very interesting statement. Please
provide
some more
information on how the CIA started the Vietnam war.
Woodrow Wilson, a flagrant racist, refused to meet
with Ho
Chi Minh at Versailles in 1919 about decolonizing French
Indochina.
I ask as in 1919 Ho was a 29 year old "no body", a member
of the
Groupe des Patriotes Annamites (The Group of Vietnamese
Patriots) and,
The group petitioned for recognition of the civil rights
of the
Vietnamese people in French Indochina to the Western
powers at the
Versailles peace talks, but they were ignored.
Citing the principle of self-determination outlined
before the peace
accords, they requested the allied powers to end French
colonial rule
of Vietnam and ensure the formation of an independent
government.
Before the conference, the group sent their letter to
allied leaders,
including French Prime Minister Georges Clemenceau and
United States
President Woodrow Wilson. They were unable to obtain
consideration at
Versailles,
That's from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Ho_Chi_Minh#Political_education_in_France
The CIA was formed to replace OSS in 1947, 28 years
after
the die was cast.
In April 1945, he met with the OSS agent Archimedes Patti
and offered
to provide intelligence, asking only for "a line of
communication"
between his Viet Minh and the Allies. The OSS agreed to
this and later
sent a military team of OSS members to train his men.The
OSS team
arrived in Vietnam on or about May 1945 and departed
Vietnam in
September 1945.
That's from https://historydraft.com/story/ho-chi-minh/ho-
met-with-the-oss-agent-archimedes-patti/415/5730
The Geneva Accords in 1954 partitioned the country
temporarily in two
with a promise of democratic elections in 1956 to reunite
the country.
That's from several sources:
https://dbpedia.org/page/
History_of_Vietnam_(1945%E2%80%93present)
The United States and South Vietnam insisted on United
Nations
supervision of any election to prevent fraud, which the
Soviet Union
and North Vietnam refused. North and South Vietnam
therefore remained
divided until the Vietnam War ended with the Fall of
Saigon in 1975.
and this is from here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Vietnam_(1945-
present)
It's poor form to cut-n-paste without attribution, john,
even in usenet.
And nothing quoted or cited implicates the CIA in 'starting
the Viet Nam war' which, considering various national
movements, the French, Japanese, Chinese and USA players
and
many allies might best be written 'wars'.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
It was very well known that the communist forces of Ho
Chi Minh backed by the Soviet Union were pretty much
unbeatable because South Vietnam didn't care what
government they were under as long as they had peace.
Because of this, JFK was advised to replace Eisenhower's
military advisors with actual troops by the CIA. When JFK
discovered that he had been lied to he decided to pull
out and the CIA assassinated him. Lee Harvey Oswald was a
CIA sniper and there was no possibility of Jack Ruby
being armed in a police station where they were moving
Oswald. Ruby would not have then hung himself in his cell.
Johnson was not very smart but was willing to expand the
war. Nixon knew all was lost but he used B52's to obtain
a treaty to save face. The CIA was working for the
military-industrial complex and not for America ever
since. They got even with Nixon for ending a war that was
making the elite richer still.
That's all highly revisionist and doesn't match actual
history very well.
That was incredibly polite and charitable of you, Andrew
On 11/25/2024 2:52 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 11/25/2024 2:11 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/25/2024 12:59 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon Nov 25 07:37:48 2024 AMuzi wrote:
On 11/25/2024 5:57 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 11/24/2024 10:22 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 20:02:21 -0600, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 11/24/2024 7:55 PM, John B. wrote:Are you sure of your data?
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 22:34:55 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
The US national debt was out of control because no one
cared about it.
Well, the Nation Debt per capita is about the same as
it was after WW II.
So with someone in the White House that WANTS to pay it
off, he can use
extraordinary means by closing down large sections of
government that have
been spending money like it was water. The CIA for
instance used to be an
organization that gathered intelligence that showed
threats to the USA.
Then it became captured by the Military-Industrial
complex and started
every war since Korea.
I find that a very interesting statement. Please provide
some more
information on how the CIA started the Vietnam war.
Woodrow Wilson, a flagrant racist, refused to meet with Ho
Chi Minh at Versailles in 1919 about decolonizing French
Indochina.
I ask as in 1919 Ho was a 29 year old "no body", a member
of the
Groupe des Patriotes Annamites (The Group of Vietnamese
Patriots) and,
The group petitioned for recognition of the civil rights
of the
Vietnamese people in French Indochina to the Western
powers at the
Versailles peace talks, but they were ignored.
Citing the principle of self-determination outlined
before the peace
accords, they requested the allied powers to end French
colonial rule
of Vietnam and ensure the formation of an independent
government.
Before the conference, the group sent their letter to
allied leaders,
including French Prime Minister Georges Clemenceau and
United States
President Woodrow Wilson. They were unable to obtain
consideration at
Versailles,
That's from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Ho_Chi_Minh#Political_education_in_France
The CIA was formed to replace OSS in 1947, 28 years after
the die was cast.
In April 1945, he met with the OSS agent Archimedes Patti
and offered
to provide intelligence, asking only for "a line of
communication"
between his Viet Minh and the Allies. The OSS agreed to
this and later
sent a military team of OSS members to train his men.The
OSS team
arrived in Vietnam on or about May 1945 and departed
Vietnam in
September 1945.
That's from https://historydraft.com/story/ho-chi-minh/ho-
met-with-the-oss-agent-archimedes-patti/415/5730
The Geneva Accords in 1954 partitioned the country
temporarily in two
with a promise of democratic elections in 1956 to reunite
the country.
That's from several sources:
https://dbpedia.org/page/
History_of_Vietnam_(1945%E2%80%93present)
The United States and South Vietnam insisted on United
Nations
supervision of any election to prevent fraud, which the
Soviet Union
and North Vietnam refused. North and South Vietnam
therefore remained
divided until the Vietnam War ended with the Fall of
Saigon in 1975.
and this is from here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Vietnam_(1945- present)
It's poor form to cut-n-paste without attribution, john,
even in usenet.
And nothing quoted or cited implicates the CIA in 'starting
the Viet Nam war' which, considering various national
movements, the French, Japanese, Chinese and USA players and
many allies might best be written 'wars'.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
It was very well known that the communist forces of Ho Chi Minh
backed by the Soviet Union were pretty much unbeatable because South
Vietnam didn't care what government they were under as long as they
had peace. Because of this, JFK was advised to replace Eisenhower's
military advisors with actual troops by the CIA. When JFK discovered
that he had been lied to he decided to pull out and the CIA
assassinated him. Lee Harvey Oswald was a CIA sniper and there was
no possibility of Jack Ruby being armed in a police station where
they were moving Oswald. Ruby would not have then hung himself in
his cell.
Johnson was not very smart but was willing to expand the war. Nixon
knew all was lost but he used B52's to obtain a treaty to save face.
The CIA was working for the military-industrial complex and not for
America ever since. They got even with Nixon for ending a war that
was making the elite richer still.
That's all highly revisionist and doesn't match actual history very
well.
That was incredibly polite and charitable of you, Andrew
The wealth of tar babies in that rant would just go on and on so I didn't.
On 11/25/2024 4:10 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/25/2024 2:52 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 11/25/2024 2:11 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/25/2024 12:59 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon Nov 25 07:37:48 2024 AMuzi wrote:
On 11/25/2024 5:57 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 11/24/2024 10:22 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 20:02:21 -0600, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 11/24/2024 7:55 PM, John B. wrote:Are you sure of your data?
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 22:34:55 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
The US national debt was out of control because
no one
cared about it.
Well, the Nation Debt per capita is about the
same as
it was after WW II.
So with someone in the White House that WANTS to
pay it
off, he can use
extraordinary means by closing down large
sections of
government that have
been spending money like it was water. The CIA for
instance used to be an
organization that gathered intelligence that showed
threats to the USA.
Then it became captured by the Military-Industrial
complex and started
every war since Korea.
I find that a very interesting statement. Please
provide
some more
information on how the CIA started the Vietnam war.
Woodrow Wilson, a flagrant racist, refused to meet
with Ho
Chi Minh at Versailles in 1919 about decolonizing
French
Indochina.
I ask as in 1919 Ho was a 29 year old "no body", a
member
of the
Groupe des Patriotes Annamites (The Group of Vietnamese
Patriots) and,
The group petitioned for recognition of the civil
rights
of the
Vietnamese people in French Indochina to the Western
powers at the
Versailles peace talks, but they were ignored.
Citing the principle of self-determination outlined
before the peace
accords, they requested the allied powers to end French
colonial rule
of Vietnam and ensure the formation of an independent
government.
Before the conference, the group sent their letter to
allied leaders,
including French Prime Minister Georges Clemenceau and
United States
President Woodrow Wilson. They were unable to obtain
consideration at
Versailles,
That's from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Ho_Chi_Minh#Political_education_in_France
The CIA was formed to replace OSS in 1947, 28 years
after
the die was cast.
In April 1945, he met with the OSS agent Archimedes
Patti
and offered
to provide intelligence, asking only for "a line of
communication"
between his Viet Minh and the Allies. The OSS agreed to
this and later
sent a military team of OSS members to train his
men.The
OSS team
arrived in Vietnam on or about May 1945 and departed
Vietnam in
September 1945.
That's from https://historydraft.com/story/ho-chi-
minh/ho-
met-with-the-oss-agent-archimedes-patti/415/5730
The Geneva Accords in 1954 partitioned the country
temporarily in two
with a promise of democratic elections in 1956 to
reunite
the country.
That's from several sources:
https://dbpedia.org/page/
History_of_Vietnam_(1945%E2%80%93present)
The United States and South Vietnam insisted on United
Nations
supervision of any election to prevent fraud, which the
Soviet Union
and North Vietnam refused. North and South Vietnam
therefore remained
divided until the Vietnam War ended with the Fall of
Saigon in 1975.
and this is from here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
History_of_Vietnam_(1945- present)
It's poor form to cut-n-paste without attribution, john,
even in usenet.
And nothing quoted or cited implicates the CIA in
'starting
the Viet Nam war' which, considering various national
movements, the French, Japanese, Chinese and USA
players and
many allies might best be written 'wars'.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
It was very well known that the communist forces of Ho
Chi Minh backed by the Soviet Union were pretty much
unbeatable because South Vietnam didn't care what
government they were under as long as they had peace.
Because of this, JFK was advised to replace
Eisenhower's military advisors with actual troops by
the CIA. When JFK discovered that he had been lied to
he decided to pull out and the CIA assassinated him.
Lee Harvey Oswald was a CIA sniper and there was no
possibility of Jack Ruby being armed in a police
station where they were moving Oswald. Ruby would not
have then hung himself in his cell.
Johnson was not very smart but was willing to expand
the war. Nixon knew all was lost but he used B52's to
obtain a treaty to save face. The CIA was working for
the military-industrial complex and not for America
ever since. They got even with Nixon for ending a war
that was making the elite richer still.
That's all highly revisionist and doesn't match actual
history very well.
That was incredibly polite and charitable of you, Andrew
The wealth of tar babies in that rant would just go on and
on so I didn't.
lol...I've never heard that idiomatic use of "tar barbie"
before. Is that a Wisconsin thing?
On 11/25/2024 3:18 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 11/25/2024 4:10 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/25/2024 2:52 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 11/25/2024 2:11 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/25/2024 12:59 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon Nov 25 07:37:48 2024 AMuzi wrote:
On 11/25/2024 5:57 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 11/24/2024 10:22 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 20:02:21 -0600, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 11/24/2024 7:55 PM, John B. wrote:Are you sure of your data?
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 22:34:55 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
The US national debt was out of control because no one >>>>>>>>>>>> cared about it.
Well, the Nation Debt per capita is about the same as
it was after WW II.
So with someone in the White House that WANTS to pay it >>>>>>>>>>>> off, he can use
extraordinary means by closing down large sections of
government that have
been spending money like it was water. The CIA for
instance used to be an
organization that gathered intelligence that showed
threats to the USA.
Then it became captured by the Military-Industrial
complex and started
every war since Korea.
I find that a very interesting statement. Please provide >>>>>>>>>>> some more
information on how the CIA started the Vietnam war.
Woodrow Wilson, a flagrant racist, refused to meet with Ho >>>>>>>>>> Chi Minh at Versailles in 1919 about decolonizing French
Indochina.
I ask as in 1919 Ho was a 29 year old "no body", a member
of the
Groupe des Patriotes Annamites (The Group of Vietnamese
Patriots) and,
The group petitioned for recognition of the civil rights
of the
Vietnamese people in French Indochina to the Western
powers at the
Versailles peace talks, but they were ignored.
Citing the principle of self-determination outlined
before the peace
accords, they requested the allied powers to end French
colonial rule
of Vietnam and ensure the formation of an independent
government.
Before the conference, the group sent their letter to
allied leaders,
including French Prime Minister Georges Clemenceau and
United States
President Woodrow Wilson. They were unable to obtain
consideration at
Versailles,
That's from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Ho_Chi_Minh#Political_education_in_France
The CIA was formed to replace OSS in 1947, 28 years after
the die was cast.
In April 1945, he met with the OSS agent Archimedes Patti
and offered
to provide intelligence, asking only for "a line of
communication"
between his Viet Minh and the Allies. The OSS agreed to
this and later
sent a military team of OSS members to train his men.The
OSS team
arrived in Vietnam on or about May 1945 and departed
Vietnam in
September 1945.
That's from https://historydraft.com/story/ho-chi- minh/ho-
met-with-the-oss-agent-archimedes-patti/415/5730
The Geneva Accords in 1954 partitioned the country
temporarily in two
with a promise of democratic elections in 1956 to reunite
the country.
That's from several sources:
https://dbpedia.org/page/
History_of_Vietnam_(1945%E2%80%93present)
The United States and South Vietnam insisted on United
Nations
supervision of any election to prevent fraud, which the
Soviet Union
and North Vietnam refused. North and South Vietnam
therefore remained
divided until the Vietnam War ended with the Fall of
Saigon in 1975.
and this is from here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ History_of_Vietnam_(1945- present) >>>>>>>>
It's poor form to cut-n-paste without attribution, john,
even in usenet.
And nothing quoted or cited implicates the CIA in 'starting
the Viet Nam war' which, considering various national
movements, the French, Japanese, Chinese and USA players and
many allies might best be written 'wars'.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
It was very well known that the communist forces of Ho Chi Minh
backed by the Soviet Union were pretty much unbeatable because
South Vietnam didn't care what government they were under as long
as they had peace. Because of this, JFK was advised to replace
Eisenhower's military advisors with actual troops by the CIA. When >>>>>> JFK discovered that he had been lied to he decided to pull out and >>>>>> the CIA assassinated him. Lee Harvey Oswald was a CIA sniper and
there was no possibility of Jack Ruby being armed in a police
station where they were moving Oswald. Ruby would not have then
hung himself in his cell.
Johnson was not very smart but was willing to expand the war.
Nixon knew all was lost but he used B52's to obtain a treaty to
save face. The CIA was working for the military-industrial complex >>>>>> and not for America ever since. They got even with Nixon for
ending a war that was making the elite richer still.
That's all highly revisionist and doesn't match actual history very
well.
That was incredibly polite and charitable of you, Andrew
The wealth of tar babies in that rant would just go on and on so I
didn't.
lol...I've never heard that idiomatic use of "tar barbie" before. Is
that a Wisconsin thing?
I don't think so but it does make my point very clear.
On 11/25/2024 11:53 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 11/25/2024 10:53 AM, AMuzi wrote:I should mention, having given failing grades for similar offenses, I certainly would have reconsidered if given evidence. My office door was always open to students.
On 11/25/2024 9:16 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 11/25/2024 9:49 AM, AMuzi wrote:
I once typed a college paper for my youngest brother from his
handwritten draft. I cleaned up the punctuation and grammar along
the way. He was graded F with the comment, "This is not your work."
ugh...I can understand why that happened, but did he appeal and show
his original notes and explain he just had someone else proof read
it for grammar?
Yes he still had his notes.
Hopefully he got it reviewed and passed.
The occasional problem was two students handing in identical work. My
policy then was to grade one of them, then divide the grade by the
number of identical copies. When a full page of calculations was
identical, number by number, it was pretty hard to pretend both were original.
And in one memorable case, the same was true of a computer programming assignment, where the kid who copied actually left the originator's name somewhere within the code.
On 11/25/2024 2:11 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/25/2024 12:59 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon Nov 25 07:37:48 2024 AMuzi wrote:
On 11/25/2024 5:57 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 11/24/2024 10:22 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 20:02:21 -0600, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 11/24/2024 7:55 PM, John B. wrote:Are you sure of your data?
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 22:34:55 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
The US national debt was out of control because no one
cared about it.
Well, the Nation Debt per capita is about the same as
it was after WW II.
So with someone in the White House that WANTS to pay it
off, he can use
extraordinary means by closing down large sections of
government that have
been spending money like it was water. The CIA for
instance used to be an
organization that gathered intelligence that showed
threats to the USA.
Then it became captured by the Military-Industrial
complex and started
every war since Korea.
I find that a very interesting statement. Please provide
some more
information on how the CIA started the Vietnam war.
Woodrow Wilson, a flagrant racist, refused to meet with Ho
Chi Minh at Versailles in 1919 about decolonizing French
Indochina.
I ask as in 1919 Ho was a 29 year old "no body", a member
of the
Groupe des Patriotes Annamites (The Group of Vietnamese
Patriots) and,
The group petitioned for recognition of the civil rights
of the
Vietnamese people in French Indochina to the Western
powers at the
Versailles peace talks, but they were ignored.
Citing the principle of self-determination outlined
before the peace
accords, they requested the allied powers to end French
colonial rule
of Vietnam and ensure the formation of an independent
government.
Before the conference, the group sent their letter to
allied leaders,
including French Prime Minister Georges Clemenceau and
United States
President Woodrow Wilson. They were unable to obtain
consideration at
Versailles,
That's from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Ho_Chi_Minh#Political_education_in_France
The CIA was formed to replace OSS in 1947, 28 years after
the die was cast.
In April 1945, he met with the OSS agent Archimedes Patti
and offered
to provide intelligence, asking only for "a line of
communication"
between his Viet Minh and the Allies. The OSS agreed to
this and later
sent a military team of OSS members to train his men.The
OSS team
arrived in Vietnam on or about May 1945 and departed
Vietnam in
September 1945.
That's from https://historydraft.com/story/ho-chi-minh/ho-
met-with-the-oss-agent-archimedes-patti/415/5730
The Geneva Accords in 1954 partitioned the country
temporarily in two
with a promise of democratic elections in 1956 to reunite
the country.
That's from several sources:
https://dbpedia.org/page/
History_of_Vietnam_(1945%E2%80%93present)
The United States and South Vietnam insisted on United
Nations
supervision of any election to prevent fraud, which the
Soviet Union
and North Vietnam refused. North and South Vietnam
therefore remained
divided until the Vietnam War ended with the Fall of
Saigon in 1975.
and this is from here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Vietnam_(1945-present)
It's poor form to cut-n-paste without attribution, john,
even in usenet.
And nothing quoted or cited implicates the CIA in 'starting
the Viet Nam war' which, considering various national
movements, the French, Japanese, Chinese and USA players and
many allies might best be written 'wars'.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
It was very well known that the communist forces of Ho Chi Minh backed
by the Soviet Union were pretty much unbeatable because South Vietnam
didn't care what government they were under as long as they had peace.
Because of this, JFK was advised to replace Eisenhower's military
advisors with actual troops by the CIA. When JFK discovered that he
had been lied to he decided to pull out and the CIA assassinated him.
Lee Harvey Oswald was a CIA sniper and there was no possibility of
Jack Ruby being armed in a police station where they were moving
Oswald. Ruby would not have then hung himself in his cell.
Johnson was not very smart but was willing to expand the war. Nixon
knew all was lost but he used B52's to obtain a treaty to save face.
The CIA was working for the military-industrial complex and not for
America ever since. They got even with Nixon for ending a war that was
making the elite richer still.
That's all highly revisionist and doesn't match actual history very well.
That was incredibly polite and charitable of you, Andrew
On Mon Nov 25 16:55:26 2024 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 11/25/2024 4:53 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/25/2024 11:53 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 11/25/2024 10:53 AM, AMuzi wrote:I should mention, having given failing grades for similar offenses, I
On 11/25/2024 9:16 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 11/25/2024 9:49 AM, AMuzi wrote:
I once typed a college paper for my youngest brother from his
handwritten draft. I cleaned up the punctuation and grammar along >>>>>>> the way. He was graded F with the comment, "This is not your work." >>>>>>>
ugh...I can understand why that happened, but did he appeal and show >>>>>> his original notes and explain he just had someone else proof read >>>>>> it for grammar?
Yes he still had his notes.
Hopefully he got it reviewed and passed.
certainly would have reconsidered if given evidence. My office door was
always open to students.
The occasional problem was two students handing in identical work. My
policy then was to grade one of them, then divide the grade by the
number of identical copies. When a full page of calculations was
identical, number by number, it was pretty hard to pretend both were
original.
And in one memorable case, the same was true of a computer programming
assignment, where the kid who copied actually left the originator's name >>> somewhere within the code.
lol...why can I see a certain someone here making that same mistake?
--
Add xx to reply
I assume that you're speaking of yourself since I appear to be the only programmer here
and showed decisively that you know nothing about programming ang would me forced to copy the work of someone else to pass the requisit course.
On Mon Nov 25 09:39:48 2024 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 11/25/2024 7:57 AM, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 06:57:21 -0500, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 11/24/2024 10:22 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 20:02:21 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>
On 11/24/2024 7:55 PM, John B. wrote:Are you sure of your data?
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 22:34:55 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
The US national debt was out of control because no one cared about it. >>>>>>>> Well, the Nation Debt per capita is about the same as it was after WW II.
So with someone in the White House that WANTS to pay it off, he can use
extraordinary means by closing down large sections of government that have
been spending money like it was water. The CIA for instance used to be an
organization that gathered intelligence that showed threats to the USA.
Then it became captured by the Military-Industrial complex and started >>>>>>>> every war since Korea.
I find that a very interesting statement. Please provide some more >>>>>>> information on how the CIA started the Vietnam war.
Woodrow Wilson, a flagrant racist, refused to meet with Ho
Chi Minh at Versailles in 1919 about decolonizing French
Indochina.
I ask as in 1919 Ho was a 29 year old "no body", a member of the
Groupe des Patriotes Annamites (The Group of Vietnamese Patriots) and, >>>>> The group petitioned for recognition of the civil rights of the
Vietnamese people in French Indochina to the Western powers at the
Versailles peace talks, but they were ignored.
Citing the principle of self-determination outlined before the peace >>>>> accords, they requested the allied powers to end French colonial rule >>>>> of Vietnam and ensure the formation of an independent government.
Before the conference, the group sent their letter to allied leaders, >>>>> including French Prime Minister Georges Clemenceau and United States >>>>> President Woodrow Wilson. They were unable to obtain consideration at >>>>> Versailles,
That's from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ho_Chi_Minh#Political_education_in_France >>>>
The CIA was formed to replace OSS in 1947, 28 years after
the die was cast.
In April 1945, he met with the OSS agent Archimedes Patti and offered >>>>> to provide intelligence, asking only for "a line of communication"
between his Viet Minh and the Allies. The OSS agreed to this and later >>>>> sent a military team of OSS members to train his men.The OSS team
arrived in Vietnam on or about May 1945 and departed Vietnam in
September 1945.
That's from
https://historydraft.com/story/ho-chi-minh/ho-met-with-the-oss-agent-archimedes-patti/415/5730
The Geneva Accords in 1954 partitioned the country temporarily in two >>>>> with a promise of democratic elections in 1956 to reunite the country. >>>>That's from several sources:
https://dbpedia.org/page/History_of_Vietnam_(1945%E2%80%93present)
The United States and South Vietnam insisted on United Nations
supervision of any election to prevent fraud, which the Soviet Union >>>>> and North Vietnam refused. North and South Vietnam therefore remained >>>>> divided until the Vietnam War ended with the Fall of Saigon in 1975.
and this is from here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Vietnam_(1945-present)
It's poor form to cut-n-paste without attribution, john, even in usenet. >>>>
I was replying to Mr. Andrew's post which wasn't attributed either...
(:-)
Andrew has a discernible writing style.
You have a discernible writing style.
It's pretty obvious when Andrew is writing primary thought, as are you.
Andrews post was consistent with his primary thought style.
Yours wasn't.
--
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You don't have any thoughts. All you have is lie after lie after lie.
On Tue Nov 26 13:51:51 2024 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 11/26/2024 11:51 AM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon Nov 25 16:55:26 2024 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 11/25/2024 4:53 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/25/2024 11:53 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 11/25/2024 10:53 AM, AMuzi wrote:I should mention, having given failing grades for similar offenses, I >>>>> certainly would have reconsidered if given evidence. My office door was >>>>> always open to students.
On 11/25/2024 9:16 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 11/25/2024 9:49 AM, AMuzi wrote:
I once typed a college paper for my youngest brother from his >>>>>>>>> handwritten draft. I cleaned up the punctuation and grammar along >>>>>>>>> the way. He was graded F with the comment, "This is not your work." >>>>>>>>>
ugh...I can understand why that happened, but did he appeal and show >>>>>>>> his original notes and explain he just had someone else proof read >>>>>>>> it for grammar?
Yes he still had his notes.
Hopefully he got it reviewed and passed.
The occasional problem was two students handing in identical work. My >>>>> policy then was to grade one of them, then divide the grade by the
number of identical copies. When a full page of calculations was
identical, number by number, it was pretty hard to pretend both were >>>>> original.
And in one memorable case, the same was true of a computer programming >>>>> assignment, where the kid who copied actually left the originator's name >>>>> somewhere within the code.
lol...why can I see a certain someone here making that same mistake?
--
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I assume that you're speaking of yourself since I appear to be the only programmer here
No, you aren't. plenty of others in this forum have done programming,
including me.
and showed decisively that you know nothing about programming ang would me forced to copy the work of someone else to pass the requisit course.
So I should remind you that the program you allege that I couldn't
understand contained a description of the architecture that you were
unaware of, and when I challenged you on it, you couldn't answer the
question because you didn't actually understand the architecture, and
instead resorted to insults.
Why is that?
It's simple. You didn't write that program. You had copied it from the
original author and yourself only understood it controlled some LED
features.
so, Who was it that copies someone elses work and claims credit for it?
It wasn't me, sparky, that was you.
> You have been shown for what you are.
Yup, one of the many people in this forum that constantly prove you wrong. >>
--
Add xx to reply
For people that program in C a description of what is occurring is normal and you can't even understand that.
And your programming is so good that you don't know that it wasn't describing the "archetecture" but what was occuring with THAT instruction.
I'm sure that you can show yourself even more absurd with your next comment.
On 11/26/2024 12:38 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I now have bought a new Shimano Ultrgra crankset6 to replace the FSA
crqnk you accused me of improper instalation despite your knowing
absolutely noyhing about them.
Wait: You told us your crank fell off. Are you now saying your
installation procedure had nothing to do with that?
I don't remember saying much beyond "so many problems!" But I think most people here think parts falling off indicates bad mechanical skills.
On Mon Nov 25 16:53:50 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/25/2024 11:53 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 11/25/2024 10:53 AM, AMuzi wrote:I should mention, having given failing grades for similar offenses, I
On 11/25/2024 9:16 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 11/25/2024 9:49 AM, AMuzi wrote:
I once typed a college paper for my youngest brother from his
handwritten draft. I cleaned up the punctuation and grammar along
the way. He was graded F with the comment, "This is not your work." >>>>>>
ugh...I can understand why that happened, but did he appeal and show >>>>> his original notes and explain he just had someone else proof read it >>>>> for grammar?
Yes he still had his notes.
Hopefully he got it reviewed and passed.
certainly would have reconsidered if given evidence. My office door was
always open to students.
The occasional problem was two students handing in identical work. My
policy then was to grade one of them, then divide the grade by the
number of identical copies. When a full page of calculations was
identical, number by number, it was pretty hard to pretend both were
original.
And in one memorable case, the same was true of a computer programming
assignment, where the kid who copied actually left the originator's name
somewhere within the code.
--
- Frank Krygowski
Frank, the subject is the national debt and the doubtless belt tightening to come. The end of next month, all of my bills including property taxes and DMV renewal will be paid off. I now have bought a new Shimano Ultrgra crankset6
to replace the FSA crqnk you accused me of improper instalation despite your knowing absolutely noyhing about them.
You have a habit of speaking from positions of ignorance and I would suggest you correct that before posting your Jobst wannabe comments.
There are plenty of places where you input might be desireable but since you seem to be lacking any knowledge of finnces, almost entirely lacking from the Democrat mindset, the National Debt is not one of them.
Instead, we can listen to Flunky telling us that Janet Yellen was completely correct
depite her appollogizing to the nqation for being completely wrong and being complecit in running the National Debt up to n4early unmanagable levels. When finally faced with reality, Yellen relented whereas Flunky maintains his lies.
On 11/26/2024 3:17 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/26/2024 12:38 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I now have bought a new Shimano Ultrgra crankset6 to replace the FSA
crqnk you accused me of improper instalation despite your knowing
absolutely noyhing about them.
Wait: You told us your crank fell off. Are you now saying your
installation procedure had nothing to do with that?
Of course he is! When was the last time you saw him admit he might have
done something wrong?
I don't remember saying much beyond "so many problems!" But I think most
people here think parts falling off indicates bad mechanical skills.
On Tue Nov 26 23:59:15 2024 zen cycle wrote:
On 11/26/2024 3:17 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/26/2024 12:38 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I now have bought a new Shimano Ultrgra crankset6 to replace the FSA >>>>> crqnk you accused me of improper instalation despite your knowing
absolutely noyhing about them.
Wait: You told us your crank fell off. Are you now saying your
installation procedure had nothing to do with that?
Of course he is! When was the last time you saw him admit he might have
done something wrong?
I don't remember saying much beyond "so many problems!" But I think most >>> people here think parts falling off indicates bad mechanical skills.
Shouldn't you be tuning up your friction shifters for your next race?
On Tue Nov 26 22:37:45 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/26/2024 6:51 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Tue Nov 26 15:13:55 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/26/2024 11:51 AM, cyclintom wrote:
I assume that you're speaking of yourself since I appear to be the only programmer here ...
You are not the only programmer here, Tom.
--
- Frank Krygowski
Are you claiming to be a programmer in C, C+, C++ or any of the other variations?
Do you see such a claim? No. You seem to have pulled that idea out of
your usual orifice.
Those aren't the only languages or systems available for programming,
and I didn't even mention myself when I said "You are not the only
programmer here."
--
- Frank Krygowski
So then, without the slightest knowledge of what you're talking about you claim that I'm not the only programmer here.
You and Flunky really get along well. He szys he can program without the abolity to rezd a simple programe that only flashes a light.
Is this the way you "taught" engineering?
On Mon Nov 25 16:55:26 2024 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 11/25/2024 4:53 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
And in one memorable case, the same was true of a computer programming
assignment, where the kid who copied actually left the originator's name >>> somewhere within the code.
lol...why can I see a certain someone here making that same mistake?
I assume that you're speaking of yourself since I appear to be the only programmer here.
On 11/27/2024 4:23 PM, cyclintom wrote:
So then, without the slightest knowledge of what you're
talking about you claim that I'm not the only programmer
here.
I _know_ you're not the only programmer here. I've done
programming in at least four different languages and/or
systems. (Try programming a Programmable Logic Controller
using ladder diagrams. It's like programming in Martian.)
I also _know_ there are others here besides me who are
programmers. You are absolutely not the only one, which is
what I said.
On 11/27/2024 9:51 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/27/2024 4:23 PM, cyclintom wrote:
So then, without the slightest knowledge of what you're
talking about you claim that I'm not the only programmer
here.
I _know_ you're not the only programmer here. I've done
programming in at least four different languages and/or
systems. (Try programming a Programmable Logic Controller
using ladder diagrams. It's like programming in Martian.)
I also _know_ there are others here besides me who are
programmers. You are absolutely not the only one, which is
what I said.
+1
I did OK with BASIC for company inventory tracking software
but wrote payroll in Lotus and passed an audit two years
later. Small but not nothing.
On Wed Nov 27 16:50:49 2024 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 11/27/2024 4:24 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Tue Nov 26 23:59:15 2024 zen cycle wrote:
On 11/26/2024 3:17 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/26/2024 12:38 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I now have bought a new Shimano Ultrgra crankset6 to replace the FSA >>>>>>> crqnk you accused me of improper instalation despite your knowing >>>>>>> absolutely noyhing about them.
Wait: You told us your crank fell off. Are you now saying your
installation procedure had nothing to do with that?
Of course he is! When was the last time you saw him admit he might have >>>> done something wrong?
I don't remember saying much beyond "so many problems!" But I think most >>>>> people here think parts falling off indicates bad mechanical skills.
Shouldn't you be tuning up your friction shifters for your next race?
I haven't raced friction shifters since 1992.
Shouldn't you be figuring out how to attach a crank arm so that it
doesn't fall off?
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I have since discovering that the failing arm was machined improperly. Something that you would never even consider.
I have since discovering that the failing arm was machined improperly. Something that you would never even consider.
On Thu Nov 28 17:41:45 2024 Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Wed Nov 27 16:50:49 2024 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 11/27/2024 4:24 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Tue Nov 26 23:59:15 2024 zen cycle wrote:I haven't raced friction shifters since 1992.
On 11/26/2024 3:17 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/26/2024 12:38 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I now have bought a new Shimano Ultrgra crankset6 to replace the FSA >>>>>>>>> crqnk you accused me of improper instalation despite your knowing >>>>>>>>> absolutely noyhing about them.
Wait: You told us your crank fell off. Are you now saying your
installation procedure had nothing to do with that?
Of course he is! When was the last time you saw him admit he might have >>>>>> done something wrong?
I don't remember saying much beyond "so many problems!" But I think most
people here think parts falling off indicates bad mechanical skills. >>>>>>
Shouldn't you be tuning up your friction shifters for your next race? >>>>
Shouldn't you be figuring out how to attach a crank arm so that it
doesn't fall off?
--
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I have since discovering that the failing arm was machined improperly.
Something that you would never even consider.
In what way? I?ve had a crank arm get wobbly as it had worn out the drive
surfaces, but this was after decades of mucky gritty use, and it certainly >> was on no danger of falling off!
Roger Merriman
Roger, the reason that FSA gives you an absolute torque limit isn't because you may break the steel shaft but becase to compensate for the crank arm machining limits.
I bought a "like new" crankset cheap because the nonedrive side was out of tolerance.
That never occurred to me because I never had a mechanism that would come loose because it was tightened too much.
On Wed Nov 27 22:58:13 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/27/2024 4:50 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 11/27/2024 4:24 PM, cyclintom wrote:
Shouldn't you be tuning up your friction shifters for your next race?
I haven't raced friction shifters since 1992.
Shouldn't you be figuring out how to attach a crank arm so that it
doesn't fall off?
Remember when Tom's handlebars were so loose they kept slipping? And his
seatpost? He seems to have some consistent problems.
I think Tom should use red Loctite on everything he installs on a bike.
And for carbon fiber parts, use epoxy. Then his bike's parts may stay
attached.
--
- Frank Krygowski
Why do you have a selective memory? My handlebars didn't "slip"
They were a test of carbon fiber handlebars which showed me that carbon fiber is a poor material out of which to make normal mandlkebars as demonstrated by the fact that all of the modern carbon fiber bikes use one piece stem/handlebars to prevent thatproblem.
As for the seat post slipping, I was interrupted when installing the seat post and forgot to tighten it before testing the bike.
That was the only occassion and it wouldn't happen to you because the sear post hasn't been out of your bike since you bought the bike preassembled.
You can easily tell the level of mechanical ability on this so-called "technical" group by the fact that I have offered to GIVE expensive new components to people here and none accepted because they don't know how to install them.
Frank Krygowski being #1.
On Wed Nov 27 07:48:37 2024 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 11/26/2024 12:38 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon Nov 25 16:53:50 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/25/2024 11:53 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 11/25/2024 10:53 AM, AMuzi wrote:I should mention, having given failing grades for similar offenses, I
On 11/25/2024 9:16 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 11/25/2024 9:49 AM, AMuzi wrote:
I once typed a college paper for my youngest brother from his
handwritten draft. I cleaned up the punctuation and grammar along >>>>>>>> the way. He was graded F with the comment, "This is not your work." >>>>>>>>
ugh...I can understand why that happened, but did he appeal and show >>>>>>> his original notes and explain he just had someone else proof read it >>>>>>> for grammar?
Yes he still had his notes.
Hopefully he got it reviewed and passed.
certainly would have reconsidered if given evidence. My office door was >>>> always open to students.
The occasional problem was two students handing in identical work. My
policy then was to grade one of them, then divide the grade by the
number of identical copies. When a full page of calculations was
identical, number by number, it was pretty hard to pretend both were
original.
And in one memorable case, the same was true of a computer programming >>>> assignment, where the kid who copied actually left the originator's name >>>> somewhere within the code.
--
- Frank Krygowski
Frank, the subject is the national debt and the doubtless belt tightening to come. The end of next month, all of my bills including property taxes and DMV renewal will be paid off. I now have bought a new Shimano Ultrgra crankset6
No, you didn't, you bought a used one off ebay like you always do.
to replace the FSA crqnk you accused me of improper instalation despite your knowing absolutely noyhing about them.
A properly installed crank arm doesn't fall off, even of the most cheap
chinese quality. You fucked up, because you're a fuck -up.
You have a habit of speaking from positions of ignorance and I would suggest you correct that before posting your Jobst wannabe comments.
and more irony meters explode all over the internet.
There are plenty of places where you input might be desireable but since you seem to be lacking any knowledge of finnces, almost entirely lacking from the Democrat mindset, the National Debt is not one of them.
Instead, we can listen to Flunky telling us that Janet Yellen was completely correct
I did? Where did I write that?
depite her appollogizing to the nqation for being completely wrong and being complecit in running the National Debt up to n4early unmanagable levels. When finally faced with reality, Yellen relented whereas Flunky maintains his lies.
oh, you mean lies like going from living off social security to making
$12K a month off your investments?
When it comes to lies in this forum, you're the king, tommy.
--
Add xx to reply
I was wondering why FSA said not to overtighten it even if the torque was wrong, you moron. When you are completely without even a clue maybe you should stop advertising it.
I have since discovering that the failing arm was machined improperly.
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 22:34:55 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
The US national debt was out of control because no one cared about it. >>Well, the Nation Debt per capita is about the same as it was after WW
II. So with someone in the White House that WANTS to pay it off, he can
use extraordinary means by closing down large sections of government
that have been spending money like it was water. The CIA for instance
used to be an organization that gathered intelligence that showed
threats to the USA. Then it became captured by the Military-Industrial >>complex and started every war since Korea.
I find that a very interesting statement. Please provide some more information on how the CIA started the Vietnam war.
On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 08:55:24 +0700, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 22:34:55 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
The US national debt was out of control because no one cared about it. >>>Well, the Nation Debt per capita is about the same as it was after WW
II. So with someone in the White House that WANTS to pay it off, he can >>>use extraordinary means by closing down large sections of government
that have been spending money like it was water. The CIA for instance >>>used to be an organization that gathered intelligence that showed
threats to the USA. Then it became captured by the Military-Industrial >>>complex and started every war since Korea.
I find that a very interesting statement. Please provide some more
information on how the CIA started the Vietnam war.
John, you were there according to you. Eisenhowor under the pressure of a >treaty with France supplied military advisors to French IndoChina.
(Vietnam). With the election of JFK the CIA convinced him that the future
of democracy depended on the protection of South Vietnam from the
communist north. Firstly the south Vietnamese couldn't care less what
their government was because neither side offered the average man anything >ans secondly because the north was by no means a Chinese style
revolutionary communism. You can't take from your citizens what they don't >have.
But under the CIA pressure to save the world JFK put thousands of active
army into that dump. He finally saw the truth and had decided to simply
leave Vietnam to its own devices and before he could announce it, Lee
Harvey Oswald, a CIA sniper assasine shot JFK dead. There was another
gunman on the grassi knoll who also shot Kennedy from the front and
everyone denied that the slinging of JFK backwards and nearly over the
rear seat was because of a shot from the front. They had evenj assigned >rookey SS agents to JFK so they froze rather than cover JFK.
The Warren Commision was one of the biggest coverups in history that
explaned none of the real questions like; what did Oswald mean when he >shouted to reporters that he was "set up" or how the hell that Jack Ruby >ended up in the basement of the police department armed.
Johnson was certainly not going to be assassinated so he muliplied the
number of troops in south Vietnam casualties be damned. Nixon forced north >Vietnam into signing a treaty that both sides ignored but gave us a chance
to get out of Vietnam. The Gulf War was supposedly because Iraq was >manufacturing bio warfare weapons. There was never any proof of that found >and the supposed labs were more for looking for it being used against
them. Poison gas stores were found but old and deserted and WE have poison >gas stores just in case also.
The CIA knew about the plans for 911 and told no one. It was just as easy
to manipulte the Taliban as anyone else. The video's of the pipe bombs
being set before the Democrat and Republican Party headquarters shows
total unconcern by the Secret Service and DC police which shows that the
plan was to blame Trump extremists but it was too little and too late. >Instead they used January 6th as an "insurrection".
There is so much hard evidence of the public being manipulated into wars
by the CIA that I find it difficult to believe that everyone doesn't see
it.
Doesn't it strike you as strange that Ruby "killed himself" in his cell
like Epstein did? That while there was no cameras on Ruby, that for
cameras on Epstein were either not working or were accidentally moved to >point in the wrong direction? That the gaurds missed their usual check on >him?
On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 08:55:24 +0700, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 22:34:55 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
The US national debt was out of control because no one cared about it.
Well, the Nation Debt per capita is about the same as it was after WW
II. So with someone in the White House that WANTS to pay it off, he can
use extraordinary means by closing down large sections of government
that have been spending money like it was water. The CIA for instance
used to be an organization that gathered intelligence that showed
threats to the USA. Then it became captured by the Military-Industrial
complex and started every war since Korea.
I find that a very interesting statement. Please provide some more
information on how the CIA started the Vietnam war.
John, you were there according to you. Eisenhowor under the pressure of a treaty with France supplied military advisors to French IndoChina.
(Vietnam). With the election of JFK the CIA convinced him that the future
of democracy depended on the protection of South Vietnam from the
communist north. Firstly the south Vietnamese couldn't care less what
their government was because neither side offered the average man anything ans secondly because the north was by no means a Chinese style
revolutionary communism. You can't take from your citizens what they don't have.
But under the CIA pressure to save the world JFK put thousands of active
army into that dump. He finally saw the truth and had decided to simply
leave Vietnam to its own devices and before he could announce it, Lee
Harvey Oswald, a CIA sniper assasine shot JFK dead. There was another
gunman on the grassi knoll who also shot Kennedy from the front and
everyone denied that the slinging of JFK backwards and nearly over the
rear seat was because of a shot from the front. They had evenj assigned rookey SS agents to JFK so they froze rather than cover JFK.
The Warren Commision was one of the biggest coverups in history that
explaned none of the real questions like; what did Oswald mean when he shouted to reporters that he was "set up" or how the hell that Jack Ruby ended up in the basement of the police department armed.
Johnson was certainly not going to be assassinated so he muliplied the
number of troops in south Vietnam casualties be damned. Nixon forced north Vietnam into signing a treaty that both sides ignored but gave us a chance
to get out of Vietnam. The Gulf War was supposedly because Iraq was manufacturing bio warfare weapons. There was never any proof of that found and the supposed labs were more for looking for it being used against
them. Poison gas stores were found but old and deserted and WE have poison gas stores just in case also.
The CIA knew about the plans for 911 and told no one. It was just as easy
to manipulte the Taliban as anyone else. The video's of the pipe bombs
being set before the Democrat and Republican Party headquarters shows
total unconcern by the Secret Service and DC police which shows that the
plan was to blame Trump extremists but it was too little and too late. Instead they used January 6th as an "insurrection".
There is so much hard evidence of the public being manipulated into wars
by the CIA that I find it difficult to believe that everyone doesn't see
it.
Doesn't it strike you as strange that Ruby "killed himself" in his cell
like Epstein did? That while there was no cameras on Ruby, that for
cameras on Epstein were either not working or were accidentally moved to point in the wrong direction? That the gaurds missed their usual check on him?
On Mon, 2 Dec 2024 22:27:57 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 08:55:24 +0700, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 22:34:55 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
The US national debt was out of control because no one cared about it. >>>> Well, the Nation Debt per capita is about the same as it was after WW
II. So with someone in the White House that WANTS to pay it off, he can >>>> use extraordinary means by closing down large sections of government
that have been spending money like it was water. The CIA for instance
used to be an organization that gathered intelligence that showed
threats to the USA. Then it became captured by the Military-Industrial >>>> complex and started every war since Korea.
I find that a very interesting statement. Please provide some more
information on how the CIA started the Vietnam war.
John, you were there according to you. Eisenhowor under the pressure of a
treaty with France supplied military advisors to French IndoChina.
(Vietnam). With the election of JFK the CIA convinced him that the future
of democracy depended on the protection of South Vietnam from the
communist north. Firstly the south Vietnamese couldn't care less what
their government was because neither side offered the average man anything >> ans secondly because the north was by no means a Chinese style
revolutionary communism. You can't take from your citizens what they don't >> have.
But under the CIA pressure to save the world JFK put thousands of active
army into that dump. He finally saw the truth and had decided to simply
leave Vietnam to its own devices and before he could announce it, Lee
Harvey Oswald, a CIA sniper assasine shot JFK dead. There was another
gunman on the grassi knoll who also shot Kennedy from the front and
everyone denied that the slinging of JFK backwards and nearly over the
rear seat was because of a shot from the front. They had evenj assigned
rookey SS agents to JFK so they froze rather than cover JFK.
The Warren Commision was one of the biggest coverups in history that
explaned none of the real questions like; what did Oswald mean when he
shouted to reporters that he was "set up" or how the hell that Jack Ruby
ended up in the basement of the police department armed.
Johnson was certainly not going to be assassinated so he muliplied the
number of troops in south Vietnam casualties be damned. Nixon forced north >> Vietnam into signing a treaty that both sides ignored but gave us a chance >> to get out of Vietnam. The Gulf War was supposedly because Iraq was
manufacturing bio warfare weapons. There was never any proof of that found >> and the supposed labs were more for looking for it being used against
them. Poison gas stores were found but old and deserted and WE have poison >> gas stores just in case also.
The CIA knew about the plans for 911 and told no one. It was just as easy
to manipulte the Taliban as anyone else. The video's of the pipe bombs
being set before the Democrat and Republican Party headquarters shows
total unconcern by the Secret Service and DC police which shows that the
plan was to blame Trump extremists but it was too little and too late.
Instead they used January 6th as an "insurrection".
There is so much hard evidence of the public being manipulated into wars
by the CIA that I find it difficult to believe that everyone doesn't see
it.
Doesn't it strike you as strange that Ruby "killed himself" in his cell
like Epstein did? That while there was no cameras on Ruby, that for
cameras on Epstein were either not working or were accidentally moved to
point in the wrong direction? That the gaurds missed their usual check on
him?
You have so many things right but so many absolutely wrong
that I wonder if you even question your sources.
Your brain must act like blotting paper.
LOL
[]'s
On Mon, 2 Dec 2024 22:27:57 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 08:55:24 +0700, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 22:34:55 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
The US national debt was out of control because no one cared about it. >>>> Well, the Nation Debt per capita is about the same as it was after WW
II. So with someone in the White House that WANTS to pay it off, he can >>>> use extraordinary means by closing down large sections of government
that have been spending money like it was water. The CIA for instance
used to be an organization that gathered intelligence that showed
threats to the USA. Then it became captured by the Military-Industrial >>>> complex and started every war since Korea.
I find that a very interesting statement. Please provide some more
information on how the CIA started the Vietnam war.
John, you were there according to you. Eisenhowor under the pressure of a
treaty with France supplied military advisors to French IndoChina.
(Vietnam). With the election of JFK the CIA convinced him that the future
of democracy depended on the protection of South Vietnam from the
communist north. Firstly the south Vietnamese couldn't care less what
their government was because neither side offered the average man anything >> ans secondly because the north was by no means a Chinese style
revolutionary communism. You can't take from your citizens what they don't >> have.
But under the CIA pressure to save the world JFK put thousands of active
army into that dump. He finally saw the truth and had decided to simply
leave Vietnam to its own devices and before he could announce it, Lee
Harvey Oswald, a CIA sniper assasine shot JFK dead. There was another
gunman on the grassi knoll who also shot Kennedy from the front and
everyone denied that the slinging of JFK backwards and nearly over the
rear seat was because of a shot from the front. They had evenj assigned
rookey SS agents to JFK so they froze rather than cover JFK.
The Warren Commision was one of the biggest coverups in history that
explaned none of the real questions like; what did Oswald mean when he
shouted to reporters that he was "set up" or how the hell that Jack Ruby
ended up in the basement of the police department armed.
Johnson was certainly not going to be assassinated so he muliplied the
number of troops in south Vietnam casualties be damned. Nixon forced north >> Vietnam into signing a treaty that both sides ignored but gave us a chance >> to get out of Vietnam. The Gulf War was supposedly because Iraq was
manufacturing bio warfare weapons. There was never any proof of that found >> and the supposed labs were more for looking for it being used against
them. Poison gas stores were found but old and deserted and WE have poison >> gas stores just in case also.
The CIA knew about the plans for 911 and told no one. It was just as easy
to manipulte the Taliban as anyone else. The video's of the pipe bombs
being set before the Democrat and Republican Party headquarters shows
total unconcern by the Secret Service and DC police which shows that the
plan was to blame Trump extremists but it was too little and too late.
Instead they used January 6th as an "insurrection".
There is so much hard evidence of the public being manipulated into wars
by the CIA that I find it difficult to believe that everyone doesn't see
it.
Doesn't it strike you as strange that Ruby "killed himself" in his cell
like Epstein did? That while there was no cameras on Ruby, that for
cameras on Epstein were either not working or were accidentally moved to
point in the wrong direction? That the gaurds missed their usual check on
him?
You have so many things right but so many absolutely wrong
that I wonder if you even question your sources.
Your brain must act like blotting paper.
LOL
[]'s
On Mon, 2 Dec 2024 17:59:37 -0500, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 12/2/2024 5:40 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 2 Dec 2024 22:27:57 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 08:55:24 +0700, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 22:34:55 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
The US national debt was out of control because no one cared about it. >>>>>> Well, the Nation Debt per capita is about the same as it was after WW >>>>>> II. So with someone in the White House that WANTS to pay it off, he can >>>>>> use extraordinary means by closing down large sections of government >>>>>> that have been spending money like it was water. The CIA for instance >>>>>> used to be an organization that gathered intelligence that showed
threats to the USA. Then it became captured by the Military-Industrial >>>>>> complex and started every war since Korea.
I find that a very interesting statement. Please provide some more
information on how the CIA started the Vietnam war.
John, you were there according to you. Eisenhowor under the pressure of a >>>> treaty with France supplied military advisors to French IndoChina.
(Vietnam). With the election of JFK the CIA convinced him that the future >>>> of democracy depended on the protection of South Vietnam from the
communist north. Firstly the south Vietnamese couldn't care less what
their government was because neither side offered the average man anything >>>> ans secondly because the north was by no means a Chinese style
revolutionary communism. You can't take from your citizens what they don't >>>> have.
But under the CIA pressure to save the world JFK put thousands of active >>>> army into that dump. He finally saw the truth and had decided to simply >>>> leave Vietnam to its own devices and before he could announce it, Lee
Harvey Oswald, a CIA sniper assasine shot JFK dead. There was another
gunman on the grassi knoll who also shot Kennedy from the front and
everyone denied that the slinging of JFK backwards and nearly over the >>>> rear seat was because of a shot from the front. They had evenj assigned >>>> rookey SS agents to JFK so they froze rather than cover JFK.
The Warren Commision was one of the biggest coverups in history that
explaned none of the real questions like; what did Oswald mean when he >>>> shouted to reporters that he was "set up" or how the hell that Jack Ruby >>>> ended up in the basement of the police department armed.
Johnson was certainly not going to be assassinated so he muliplied the >>>> number of troops in south Vietnam casualties be damned. Nixon forced north >>>> Vietnam into signing a treaty that both sides ignored but gave us a chance >>>> to get out of Vietnam. The Gulf War was supposedly because Iraq was
manufacturing bio warfare weapons. There was never any proof of that found >>>> and the supposed labs were more for looking for it being used against
them. Poison gas stores were found but old and deserted and WE have poison >>>> gas stores just in case also.
The CIA knew about the plans for 911 and told no one. It was just as easy >>>> to manipulte the Taliban as anyone else. The video's of the pipe bombs >>>> being set before the Democrat and Republican Party headquarters shows
total unconcern by the Secret Service and DC police which shows that the >>>> plan was to blame Trump extremists but it was too little and too late. >>>> Instead they used January 6th as an "insurrection".
There is so much hard evidence of the public being manipulated into wars >>>> by the CIA that I find it difficult to believe that everyone doesn't see >>>> it.
Doesn't it strike you as strange that Ruby "killed himself" in his cell >>>> like Epstein did? That while there was no cameras on Ruby, that for
cameras on Epstein were either not working or were accidentally moved to >>>> point in the wrong direction? That the gaurds missed their usual check on >>>> him?
Hey Tommy! Jack Ruby died of a pulmonary embolism on January 3, 1967,
at Parkland Hospital,
His conviction had been overturned and he had been granted a re-trial.
On Tue, 3 Dec 2024 05:46:33 -0500, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 12/2/2024 9:04 PM, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 2 Dec 2024 17:59:37 -0500, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 12/2/2024 5:40 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 2 Dec 2024 22:27:57 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 08:55:24 +0700, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 22:34:55 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
The US national debt was out of control because no one cared about it. >>>>>>>> Well, the Nation Debt per capita is about the same as it was after WW >>>>>>>> II. So with someone in the White House that WANTS to pay it off, he can
use extraordinary means by closing down large sections of government >>>>>>>> that have been spending money like it was water. The CIA for instance >>>>>>>> used to be an organization that gathered intelligence that showed >>>>>>>> threats to the USA. Then it became captured by the Military-Industrial >>>>>>>> complex and started every war since Korea.
I find that a very interesting statement. Please provide some more >>>>>>> information on how the CIA started the Vietnam war.
John, you were there according to you. Eisenhowor under the pressure of a
treaty with France supplied military advisors to French IndoChina. >>>>>> (Vietnam). With the election of JFK the CIA convinced him that the future
of democracy depended on the protection of South Vietnam from the
communist north. Firstly the south Vietnamese couldn't care less what >>>>>> their government was because neither side offered the average man anything
ans secondly because the north was by no means a Chinese style
revolutionary communism. You can't take from your citizens what they don't
have.
But under the CIA pressure to save the world JFK put thousands of active >>>>>> army into that dump. He finally saw the truth and had decided to simply >>>>>> leave Vietnam to its own devices and before he could announce it, Lee >>>>>> Harvey Oswald, a CIA sniper assasine shot JFK dead. There was another >>>>>> gunman on the grassi knoll who also shot Kennedy from the front and >>>>>> everyone denied that the slinging of JFK backwards and nearly over the >>>>>> rear seat was because of a shot from the front. They had evenj assigned >>>>>> rookey SS agents to JFK so they froze rather than cover JFK.
The Warren Commision was one of the biggest coverups in history that >>>>>> explaned none of the real questions like; what did Oswald mean when he >>>>>> shouted to reporters that he was "set up" or how the hell that Jack Ruby >>>>>> ended up in the basement of the police department armed.
Johnson was certainly not going to be assassinated so he muliplied the >>>>>> number of troops in south Vietnam casualties be damned. Nixon forced north
Vietnam into signing a treaty that both sides ignored but gave us a chance
to get out of Vietnam. The Gulf War was supposedly because Iraq was >>>>>> manufacturing bio warfare weapons. There was never any proof of that found
and the supposed labs were more for looking for it being used against >>>>>> them. Poison gas stores were found but old and deserted and WE have poison
gas stores just in case also.
The CIA knew about the plans for 911 and told no one. It was just as easy
to manipulte the Taliban as anyone else. The video's of the pipe bombs >>>>>> being set before the Democrat and Republican Party headquarters shows >>>>>> total unconcern by the Secret Service and DC police which shows that the >>>>>> plan was to blame Trump extremists but it was too little and too late. >>>>>> Instead they used January 6th as an "insurrection".
There is so much hard evidence of the public being manipulated into wars >>>>>> by the CIA that I find it difficult to believe that everyone doesn't see >>>>>> it.
Doesn't it strike you as strange that Ruby "killed himself" in his cell >>>>>> like Epstein did? That while there was no cameras on Ruby, that for >>>>>> cameras on Epstein were either not working or were accidentally moved to >>>>>> point in the wrong direction? That the gaurds missed their usual check on
him?
Hey Tommy! Jack Ruby died of a pulmonary embolism on January 3, 1967,
at Parkland Hospital,
His conviction had been overturned and he had been granted a re-trial.
You mean tommy lied about something?
The single arbiter of all that is right, pure, and true in forum forum
has told a mis-truth?!?!?!
SAY IT AIN'T SO!!!!!
I truly believe that Tommy is either one of the more stupid people to
inhabit the world or is a psychopathic liar.
On 11/24/2024 10:22 PM, John B. wrote:archimedes-patti/415/5730
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 20:02:21 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 11/24/2024 7:55 PM, John B. wrote:Are you sure of your data?
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 22:34:55 -0000 (UTC), Tom KunichWoodrow Wilson, a flagrant racist, refused to meet with Ho Chi Minh at
<cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
The US national debt was out of control because no one cared about
it. Well, the Nation Debt per capita is about the same as it was
after WW II. So with someone in the White House that WANTS to pay it >>>>> off, he can use extraordinary means by closing down large sections
of government that have been spending money like it was water. The
CIA for instance used to be an organization that gathered
intelligence that showed threats to the USA. Then it became captured >>>>> by the Military-Industrial complex and started every war since
Korea.
I find that a very interesting statement. Please provide some more
information on how the CIA started the Vietnam war.
Versailles in 1919 about decolonizing French Indochina.
I ask as in 1919 Ho was a 29 year old "no body", a member of the Groupe
des Patriotes Annamites (The Group of Vietnamese Patriots) and,
The group petitioned for recognition of the civil rights of the
Vietnamese people in French Indochina to the Western powers at the
Versailles peace talks, but they were ignored.
Citing the principle of self-determination outlined before the peace
accords, they requested the allied powers to end French colonial rule
of Vietnam and ensure the formation of an independent government.
Before the conference, the group sent their letter to allied leaders,
including French Prime Minister Georges Clemenceau and United States
President Woodrow Wilson. They were unable to obtain consideration at
Versailles,
That's from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ho_Chi_Minh#Political_education_in_France
The CIA was formed to replace OSS in 1947, 28 years after the die was
cast.
In April 1945, he met with the OSS agent Archimedes Patti and offered
to provide intelligence, asking only for "a line of communication"
between his Viet Minh and the Allies. The OSS agreed to this and later
sent a military team of OSS members to train his men.The OSS team
arrived in Vietnam on or about May 1945 and departed Vietnam in
September 1945.
That's from https://historydraft.com/story/ho-chi-minh/ho-met-with-the-oss-agent-
The Geneva Accords in 1954 partitioned the country temporarily in two
with a promise of democratic elections in 1956 to reunite the country.
That's from several sources: https://dbpedia.org/page/History_of_Vietnam_(1945%E2%80%93present)
The United States and South Vietnam insisted on United Nations
supervision of any election to prevent fraud, which the Soviet Union
and North Vietnam refused. North and South Vietnam therefore remained
divided until the Vietnam War ended with the Fall of Saigon in 1975.
and this is from here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Vietnam_(1945-present)
It's poor form to cut-n-paste without attribution, john, even in usenet.
On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 06:57:21 -0500, zen cycle wrote:
On 11/24/2024 10:22 PM, John B. wrote:archimedes-patti/415/5730
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 20:02:21 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 11/24/2024 7:55 PM, John B. wrote:Are you sure of your data?
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 22:34:55 -0000 (UTC), Tom KunichWoodrow Wilson, a flagrant racist, refused to meet with Ho Chi Minh at >>>> Versailles in 1919 about decolonizing French Indochina.
<cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
The US national debt was out of control because no one cared about >>>>>> it. Well, the Nation Debt per capita is about the same as it was
after WW II. So with someone in the White House that WANTS to pay it >>>>>> off, he can use extraordinary means by closing down large sections >>>>>> of government that have been spending money like it was water. The >>>>>> CIA for instance used to be an organization that gathered
intelligence that showed threats to the USA. Then it became captured >>>>>> by the Military-Industrial complex and started every war since
Korea.
I find that a very interesting statement. Please provide some more
information on how the CIA started the Vietnam war.
I ask as in 1919 Ho was a 29 year old "no body", a member of the Groupe
des Patriotes Annamites (The Group of Vietnamese Patriots) and,
The group petitioned for recognition of the civil rights of the
Vietnamese people in French Indochina to the Western powers at the
Versailles peace talks, but they were ignored.
Citing the principle of self-determination outlined before the peace
accords, they requested the allied powers to end French colonial rule
of Vietnam and ensure the formation of an independent government.
Before the conference, the group sent their letter to allied leaders,
including French Prime Minister Georges Clemenceau and United States
President Woodrow Wilson. They were unable to obtain consideration at
Versailles,
That's from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ho_Chi_Minh#Political_education_in_France
The CIA was formed to replace OSS in 1947, 28 years after the die was
cast.
In April 1945, he met with the OSS agent Archimedes Patti and offered
to provide intelligence, asking only for "a line of communication"
between his Viet Minh and the Allies. The OSS agreed to this and later
sent a military team of OSS members to train his men.The OSS team
arrived in Vietnam on or about May 1945 and departed Vietnam in
September 1945.
That's from
https://historydraft.com/story/ho-chi-minh/ho-met-with-the-oss-agent-
The Geneva Accords in 1954 partitioned the country temporarily in two
with a promise of democratic elections in 1956 to reunite the country.
That's from several sources:
https://dbpedia.org/page/History_of_Vietnam_(1945%E2%80%93present)
The United States and South Vietnam insisted on United Nations
supervision of any election to prevent fraud, which the Soviet Union
and North Vietnam refused. North and South Vietnam therefore remained
divided until the Vietnam War ended with the Fall of Saigon in 1975.
and this is from here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Vietnam_(1945-present)
It's poor form to cut-n-paste without attribution, john, even in usenet.
I grow weary of people who know nothing finding out about the world
through wikipedia and pretending then to know something. John
unfortunately does this a great deal. This is as bad as Liebermann telling
us all about Cull Canyom because he had managed to find it on Google Earth.
On 12/3/2024 11:03 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
I grow weary of people who know nothing finding out about the world
through wikipedia and pretending then to know something. John
unfortunately does this a great deal. This is as bad as Liebermann telling >> us all about Cull Canyom because he had managed to find it on Google Earth.
Where they find out about it is irrelevant, as long as they can back it
up with a reference, and even better when they can rationally discuss
and give a defensible position.
John may not have given an attribution, but at least he wasn't pulling
weird "facts" out of his ass.
The list goes on, and on....Wait, how did Jack Ruby die again?
On Tue, 3 Dec 2024 06:46:35 -0500, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
The list goes on, and on....Wait, how did Jack Ruby die again?
<https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jack-Ruby>
"Before a new trial could be held, however, Ruby died from a pulmonary embolism shortly after being diagnosed with cancer."
On 12/3/2024 3:05 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 3 Dec 2024 06:46:35 -0500, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
The list goes on, and on....Wait, how did Jack Ruby die again?
<https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jack-Ruby>
"Before a new trial could be held, however, Ruby died from a pulmonary
embolism shortly after being diagnosed with cancer."
Did you happen to catch tommys theory?
On Tue, 3 Dec 2024 15:21:54 -0500, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 12/3/2024 3:05 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 3 Dec 2024 06:46:35 -0500, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
The list goes on, and on....Wait, how did Jack Ruby die again?
<https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jack-Ruby>
"Before a new trial could be held, however, Ruby died from a pulmonary
embolism shortly after being diagnosed with cancer."
Did you happen to catch tommys theory?
Yes, I did, but only after I wrote the above reply. I've been very
busy for the last 2 weeks and don't have much time for RBT. I read
what I can but I can't read everything. I read (or mark as read)
about 30 articles per day, but am currently about 300 articles behind.
Tom's article at:
Message-ID: <vilc9d$3j222$1@dont-email.me>
looks like the typical conspiracy theory rants, where everyone who
might have been even remotely involved, is reclassified as an active conspirator. For example, this masterpiece of connect the dots from a
local attorney:
"UCSC 2013: JFK Assassination" <https://www.danielpsheehan.com/ucsc-2013-jfk-assassination/>
I didn't attend any of his lectures, but some of my friends did, who
then tried to convince me that with so many conspiracy theories, some
of them must be true. I did my best to be diplomatic.
I tried to determine if Tom actually wrote what he posted or if he
borrowed it from somewhere. I cut-n-pasted Tom's article into: <https://www.online-spellcheck.com>
which found the spelling to be 97% correct for all types of errors
with only 15 spelling errors in 496 words. The percentage of
spelling, typo and grammar errors seem about the same as Tom's other
RBT postings. Inconclusive.
I don't have an opinion on the content of Tom's posting. Without
sources and substantiating evidence, it's worthless to me. It's also
too much trouble to investigate all the connections mentioned. It's a
good example of too much information being used the discourage anyone
from looking at it too closely.
Bah Humbug (it's the season, so I can say that).
On Tue, 3 Dec 2024 15:21:54 -0500, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 12/3/2024 3:05 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 3 Dec 2024 06:46:35 -0500, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
The list goes on, and on....Wait, how did Jack Ruby die again?
<https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jack-Ruby>
"Before a new trial could be held, however, Ruby died from a pulmonary
embolism shortly after being diagnosed with cancer."
Did you happen to catch tommys theory?
Yes, I did, but only after I wrote the above reply. I've been very
busy for the last 2 weeks and don't have much time for RBT. I read
what I can but I can't read everything. I read (or mark as read)
about 30 articles per day, but am currently about 300 articles behind.
Tom's article at:
Message-ID: <vilc9d$3j222$1@dont-email.me>
looks like the typical conspiracy theory rants, where everyone who
might have been even remotely involved, is reclassified as an active conspirator. For example, this masterpiece of connect the dots from a
local attorney:
"UCSC 2013: JFK Assassination" <https://www.danielpsheehan.com/ucsc-2013-jfk-assassination/>
I didn't attend any of his lectures, but some of my friends did, who
then tried to convince me that with so many conspiracy theories, some
of them must be true. I did my best to be diplomatic.
I tried to determine if Tom actually wrote what he posted or if he
borrowed it from somewhere. I cut-n-pasted Tom's article into: <https://www.online-spellcheck.com>
which found the spelling to be 97% correct for all types of errors
with only 15 spelling errors in 496 words. The percentage of
spelling, typo and grammar errors seem about the same as Tom's other
RBT postings. Inconclusive.
I don't have an opinion on the content of Tom's posting.
Without
sources and substantiating evidence, it's worthless to me.
It's also
too much trouble to investigate all the connections mentioned. It's a
good example of too much information being used the discourage anyone
from looking at it too closely.
Bah Humbug (it's the season, so I can say that).
On Tue Dec 3 12:18:22 2024 John B. wrote:
On Mon, 2 Dec 2024 22:27:57 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 08:55:24 +0700, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 22:34:55 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
The US national debt was out of control because no one cared about it. >>>>> Well, the Nation Debt per capita is about the same as it was after WW >>>>> II. So with someone in the White House that WANTS to pay it off, he can >>>>> use extraordinary means by closing down large sections of government >>>>> that have been spending money like it was water. The CIA for instance >>>>> used to be an organization that gathered intelligence that showed
threats to the USA. Then it became captured by the Military-Industrial >>>>> complex and started every war since Korea.
I find that a very interesting statement. Please provide some more
information on how the CIA started the Vietnam war.
John, you were there according to you. Eisenhowor under the pressure of a >>> treaty with France supplied military advisors to French IndoChina.
(Vietnam).
The U.S. supplied a bit more then "Advisors". they supplied Bombers -
maybe B-26? - with U.S. maintenance people (don't know about flight
crew) as when I went to Japan the first time in about 1953 the guy in
the next seat was going to "French Indo-China" and there was a long
discussion about where that was.
Interestingly I ran into the guy about a year later when he was going
back to the U.S. The first time I heard the word "Vietnam".
With the election of JFK the CIA convinced him that the future
of democracy depended on the protection of South Vietnam from the
communist north.
I don't believe you are correct as: President Harry S. Truman declared
his doctrine of "containment" of communism in 1947 at the start of the
Cold War. U.S. involvement in Vietnam began in 1950, with Truman
sending military advisors to assist France against Viet Minh
guerrillas in the First Indochina War.
Firstly the south Vietnamese couldn't care less what
their government was because neither side offered the average man anything >>> ans secondly because the north was by no means a Chinese style
revolutionary communism. You can't take from your citizens what they don't >>> have.
But under the CIA pressure to save the world JFK put thousands of active >>> army into that dump. He finally saw the truth and had decided to simply
leave Vietnam to its own devices and before he could announce it, Lee
Harvey Oswald, a CIA sniper assasine shot JFK dead. There was another
gunman on the grassi knoll who also shot Kennedy from the front and
everyone denied that the slinging of JFK backwards and nearly over the
rear seat was because of a shot from the front. They had evenj assigned
rookey SS agents to JFK so they froze rather than cover JFK.
You seem to be getting away from the Vietnam subject but O.K.
Re JFK:
The choice of autopsy hospital in the Washington, D.C. area was made
by his widow, First Lady Jacqueline Kennedy, who chose the Bethesda as
President Kennedy had been a naval officer during World War II.
The autopsy was conducted by two physicians, Commander James Humes and
Commander J. Thornton Boswell. They were assisted by ballistics wound
expert Pierre Finck of the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology.
The autopsy found that Kennedy was hit by two bullets. One entered his
upper back and exited below his neck, albeit obscured by a
tracheotomy. The other bullet struck Kennedy in the back of his head
and exited the front of his skull in a large exit wound. The
trajectory of the latter bullet was marked by bullet fragments
throughout his brain. The former bullet was not found during the
autopsy, but was discovered at Parkland Memorial Hospital in Dallas.
The Warren Commision was one of the biggest coverups in history that
explaned none of the real questions like; what did Oswald mean when he
shouted to reporters that he was "set up" or how the hell that Jack Ruby >>> ended up in the basement of the police department armed.
Enough. You keep changing the subject and two in one post is enough.
--
Cheers,
John B.
Exactly why are you bringing up Truman when Eisenhower was elected almost unanimously and warned the entire world about the American military-industrial complex and Kennedy was eloected with that in mind? It took a great deal of work for the CIA toconvince Kennedy that he should engage the American people in yet another war at a time when we hadn't even paid the bills for WW II. You can believe anything you like but reality seems to bypass your thought processes.
On 11/28/2024 11:58 AM, cyclintom wrote:
I have since discovering that the failing arm was machined improperly.
I call bullshit. You can prove me wrong by telling us exactly what
feature of the crank was machined improperly, tell us what specific dimensions were wrong, and post a photo proving what you claim.
Until you do that (which you won't), absolutely everyone here is going
to continue believing that you screwed up yet again, as usual. And they
will be correct.
It astonishes me that a person can be such a terrible mechanic as to
have parts literally falling off as he rides. That would make a funny cartoon. And indeed, you're like a cartoon character.
On Mon, 2 Dec 2024 22:27:57 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 08:55:24 +0700, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 22:34:55 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
The US national debt was out of control because no one cared about it. >>>>Well, the Nation Debt per capita is about the same as it was after WW >>>>II. So with someone in the White House that WANTS to pay it off, he
can use extraordinary means by closing down large sections of >>>>government that have been spending money like it was water. The CIA
for instance used to be an organization that gathered intelligence
that showed threats to the USA. Then it became captured by the >>>>Military-Industrial complex and started every war since Korea.
I find that a very interesting statement. Please provide some more
information on how the CIA started the Vietnam war.
John, you were there according to you. Eisenhowor under the pressure of
a treaty with France supplied military advisors to French IndoChina. >>(Vietnam). With the election of JFK the CIA convinced him that the
future of democracy depended on the protection of South Vietnam from the >>communist north. Firstly the south Vietnamese couldn't care less what
their government was because neither side offered the average man
anything ans secondly because the north was by no means a Chinese style >>revolutionary communism. You can't take from your citizens what they
don't have.
But under the CIA pressure to save the world JFK put thousands of active >>army into that dump. He finally saw the truth and had decided to simply >>leave Vietnam to its own devices and before he could announce it, Lee >>Harvey Oswald, a CIA sniper assasine shot JFK dead. There was another >>gunman on the grassi knoll who also shot Kennedy from the front and >>everyone denied that the slinging of JFK backwards and nearly over the
rear seat was because of a shot from the front. They had evenj assigned >>rookey SS agents to JFK so they froze rather than cover JFK.
The Warren Commision was one of the biggest coverups in history that >>explaned none of the real questions like; what did Oswald mean when he >>shouted to reporters that he was "set up" or how the hell that Jack Ruby >>ended up in the basement of the police department armed.
Johnson was certainly not going to be assassinated so he muliplied the >>number of troops in south Vietnam casualties be damned. Nixon forced
north Vietnam into signing a treaty that both sides ignored but gave us
a chance to get out of Vietnam. The Gulf War was supposedly because Iraq >>was manufacturing bio warfare weapons. There was never any proof of that >>found and the supposed labs were more for looking for it being used
against them. Poison gas stores were found but old and deserted and WE
have poison gas stores just in case also.
The CIA knew about the plans for 911 and told no one. It was just as
easy to manipulte the Taliban as anyone else. The video's of the pipe
bombs being set before the Democrat and Republican Party headquarters
shows total unconcern by the Secret Service and DC police which shows
that the plan was to blame Trump extremists but it was too little and
too late. Instead they used January 6th as an "insurrection".
There is so much hard evidence of the public being manipulated into wars
by the CIA that I find it difficult to believe that everyone doesn't see >>it.
Doesn't it strike you as strange that Ruby "killed himself" in his cell >>like Epstein did? That while there was no cameras on Ruby, that for
cameras on Epstein were either not working or were accidentally moved to >>point in the wrong direction? That the gaurds missed their usual check
on him?
You have so many things right but so many absolutely wrong
that I wonder if you even question your sources.
Your brain must act like blotting paper.
LOL []'s
On Mon, 2 Dec 2024 17:59:37 -0500, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 12/2/2024 5:40 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 2 Dec 2024 22:27:57 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 08:55:24 +0700, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 22:34:55 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
The US national debt was out of control because no one cared about >>>>>> it. Well, the Nation Debt per capita is about the same as it was
after WW II. So with someone in the White House that WANTS to pay
it off, he can use extraordinary means by closing down large
sections of government that have been spending money like it was
water. The CIA for instance used to be an organization that
gathered intelligence that showed threats to the USA. Then it
became captured by the Military-Industrial complex and started
every war since Korea.
I find that a very interesting statement. Please provide some more
information on how the CIA started the Vietnam war.
John, you were there according to you. Eisenhowor under the pressure
of a treaty with France supplied military advisors to French
IndoChina. (Vietnam). With the election of JFK the CIA convinced him
that the future of democracy depended on the protection of South
Vietnam from the communist north. Firstly the south Vietnamese
couldn't care less what their government was because neither side
offered the average man anything ans secondly because the north was
by no means a Chinese style revolutionary communism. You can't take
from your citizens what they don't have.
But under the CIA pressure to save the world JFK put thousands of
active army into that dump. He finally saw the truth and had decided
to simply leave Vietnam to its own devices and before he could
announce it, Lee Harvey Oswald, a CIA sniper assasine shot JFK dead.
There was another gunman on the grassi knoll who also shot Kennedy
from the front and everyone denied that the slinging of JFK backwards
and nearly over the rear seat was because of a shot from the front.
They had evenj assigned rookey SS agents to JFK so they froze rather
than cover JFK.
The Warren Commision was one of the biggest coverups in history that
explaned none of the real questions like; what did Oswald mean when
he shouted to reporters that he was "set up" or how the hell that
Jack Ruby ended up in the basement of the police department armed.
Johnson was certainly not going to be assassinated so he muliplied
the number of troops in south Vietnam casualties be damned. Nixon
forced north Vietnam into signing a treaty that both sides ignored
but gave us a chance to get out of Vietnam. The Gulf War was
supposedly because Iraq was manufacturing bio warfare weapons. There
was never any proof of that found and the supposed labs were more for
looking for it being used against them. Poison gas stores were found
but old and deserted and WE have poison gas stores just in case also.
The CIA knew about the plans for 911 and told no one. It was just as
easy to manipulte the Taliban as anyone else. The video's of the pipe
bombs being set before the Democrat and Republican Party headquarters
shows total unconcern by the Secret Service and DC police which shows
that the plan was to blame Trump extremists but it was too little and
too late. Instead they used January 6th as an "insurrection".
There is so much hard evidence of the public being manipulated into
wars by the CIA that I find it difficult to believe that everyone
doesn't see it.
Doesn't it strike you as strange that Ruby "killed himself" in his
cell like Epstein did? That while there was no cameras on Ruby, that
for cameras on Epstein were either not working or were accidentally
moved to point in the wrong direction? That the gaurds missed their
usual check on him?
Hey Tommy! Jack Ruby died of a pulmonary embolism on January 3, 1967, at Parkland Hospital,
His conviction had been overturned and he had been granted a re-trial.
On 12/3/2024 6:28 AM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 3 Dec 2024 05:46:33 -0500, zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com>It's both.
wrote:
On 12/2/2024 9:04 PM, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 2 Dec 2024 17:59:37 -0500, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>You mean tommy lied about something?
wrote:
On 12/2/2024 5:40 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 2 Dec 2024 22:27:57 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 08:55:24 +0700, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 22:34:55 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
The US national debt was out of control because no one cared >>>>>>>>> about it. Well, the Nation Debt per capita is about the same as >>>>>>>>> it was after WW II. So with someone in the White House that
WANTS to pay it off, he can use extraordinary means by closing >>>>>>>>> down large sections of government that have been spending money >>>>>>>>> like it was water. The CIA for instance used to be an
organization that gathered intelligence that showed threats to >>>>>>>>> the USA. Then it became captured by the Military-Industrial
complex and started every war since Korea.
I find that a very interesting statement. Please provide some
more information on how the CIA started the Vietnam war.
John, you were there according to you. Eisenhowor under the
pressure of a treaty with France supplied military advisors to
French IndoChina. (Vietnam). With the election of JFK the CIA
convinced him that the future of democracy depended on the
protection of South Vietnam from the communist north. Firstly the >>>>>>> south Vietnamese couldn't care less what their government was
because neither side offered the average man anything ans secondly >>>>>>> because the north was by no means a Chinese style revolutionary
communism. You can't take from your citizens what they don't have. >>>>>>>
But under the CIA pressure to save the world JFK put thousands of >>>>>>> active army into that dump. He finally saw the truth and had
decided to simply leave Vietnam to its own devices and before he >>>>>>> could announce it, Lee Harvey Oswald, a CIA sniper assasine shot >>>>>>> JFK dead. There was another gunman on the grassi knoll who also
shot Kennedy from the front and everyone denied that the slinging >>>>>>> of JFK backwards and nearly over the rear seat was because of a
shot from the front. They had evenj assigned rookey SS agents to >>>>>>> JFK so they froze rather than cover JFK.
The Warren Commision was one of the biggest coverups in history
that explaned none of the real questions like; what did Oswald
mean when he shouted to reporters that he was "set up" or how the >>>>>>> hell that Jack Ruby ended up in the basement of the police
department armed.
Johnson was certainly not going to be assassinated so he muliplied >>>>>>> the number of troops in south Vietnam casualties be damned. Nixon >>>>>>> forced north Vietnam into signing a treaty that both sides ignored >>>>>>> but gave us a chance to get out of Vietnam. The Gulf War was
supposedly because Iraq was manufacturing bio warfare weapons.
There was never any proof of that found and the supposed labs were >>>>>>> more for looking for it being used against them. Poison gas stores >>>>>>> were found but old and deserted and WE have poison gas stores just >>>>>>> in case also.
The CIA knew about the plans for 911 and told no one. It was just >>>>>>> as easy to manipulte the Taliban as anyone else. The video's of
the pipe bombs being set before the Democrat and Republican Party >>>>>>> headquarters shows total unconcern by the Secret Service and DC
police which shows that the plan was to blame Trump extremists but >>>>>>> it was too little and too late. Instead they used January 6th as >>>>>>> an "insurrection".
There is so much hard evidence of the public being manipulated
into wars by the CIA that I find it difficult to believe that
everyone doesn't see it.
Doesn't it strike you as strange that Ruby "killed himself" in his >>>>>>> cell like Epstein did? That while there was no cameras on Ruby,
that for cameras on Epstein were either not working or were
accidentally moved to point in the wrong direction? That the
gaurds missed their usual check on him?
Hey Tommy! Jack Ruby died of a pulmonary embolism on January 3, 1967,
at Parkland Hospital,
His conviction had been overturned and he had been granted a
re-trial.
The single arbiter of all that is right, pure, and true in forum forum
has told a mis-truth?!?!?!
SAY IT AIN'T SO!!!!!
I truly believe that Tommy is either one of the more stupid people to
inhabit the world or is a psychopathic liar.
I'm still waiting for him to explain how he went from living on social security in 2013 to making $12000 a month off his investments without
having an income source _other_ than social security.
Then there was that tall tale of how he was a "senior business manager/cosultant" or some other such horseshit while allegedly saving
the world by designing emergency-room medical electronics (but never had
to deal with the FDA).
The list goes on, and on....Wait, how did Jack Ruby die again?
lol...
I presently have over a million dollars in investments. With the election
of Trump the S$P gained 5.5%. If you can add and subtract perhaps you can >explain to me how much my investments which are largely S&P gained?
As an Argentinian you REALLY know a lot about the US economy, while living
in a country on the verge of bankruptcy and run by criminals. Why is that?
On Tue, 03 Dec 2024 06:46:35 -0500, zen cycle wrote:
On 12/3/2024 6:28 AM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 3 Dec 2024 05:46:33 -0500, zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com>It's both.
wrote:
On 12/2/2024 9:04 PM, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 2 Dec 2024 17:59:37 -0500, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> >>>>> wrote:You mean tommy lied about something?
On 12/2/2024 5:40 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 2 Dec 2024 22:27:57 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 08:55:24 +0700, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 22:34:55 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
The US national debt was out of control because no one cared >>>>>>>>>> about it. Well, the Nation Debt per capita is about the same as >>>>>>>>>> it was after WW II. So with someone in the White House that >>>>>>>>>> WANTS to pay it off, he can use extraordinary means by closing >>>>>>>>>> down large sections of government that have been spending money >>>>>>>>>> like it was water. The CIA for instance used to be an
organization that gathered intelligence that showed threats to >>>>>>>>>> the USA. Then it became captured by the Military-Industrial >>>>>>>>>> complex and started every war since Korea.
I find that a very interesting statement. Please provide some >>>>>>>>> more information on how the CIA started the Vietnam war.
John, you were there according to you. Eisenhowor under the
pressure of a treaty with France supplied military advisors to >>>>>>>> French IndoChina. (Vietnam). With the election of JFK the CIA
convinced him that the future of democracy depended on the
protection of South Vietnam from the communist north. Firstly the >>>>>>>> south Vietnamese couldn't care less what their government was
because neither side offered the average man anything ans secondly >>>>>>>> because the north was by no means a Chinese style revolutionary >>>>>>>> communism. You can't take from your citizens what they don't have. >>>>>>>>
But under the CIA pressure to save the world JFK put thousands of >>>>>>>> active army into that dump. He finally saw the truth and had
decided to simply leave Vietnam to its own devices and before he >>>>>>>> could announce it, Lee Harvey Oswald, a CIA sniper assasine shot >>>>>>>> JFK dead. There was another gunman on the grassi knoll who also >>>>>>>> shot Kennedy from the front and everyone denied that the slinging >>>>>>>> of JFK backwards and nearly over the rear seat was because of a >>>>>>>> shot from the front. They had evenj assigned rookey SS agents to >>>>>>>> JFK so they froze rather than cover JFK.
The Warren Commision was one of the biggest coverups in history >>>>>>>> that explaned none of the real questions like; what did Oswald >>>>>>>> mean when he shouted to reporters that he was "set up" or how the >>>>>>>> hell that Jack Ruby ended up in the basement of the police
department armed.
Johnson was certainly not going to be assassinated so he muliplied >>>>>>>> the number of troops in south Vietnam casualties be damned. Nixon >>>>>>>> forced north Vietnam into signing a treaty that both sides ignored >>>>>>>> but gave us a chance to get out of Vietnam. The Gulf War was
supposedly because Iraq was manufacturing bio warfare weapons. >>>>>>>> There was never any proof of that found and the supposed labs were >>>>>>>> more for looking for it being used against them. Poison gas stores >>>>>>>> were found but old and deserted and WE have poison gas stores just >>>>>>>> in case also.
The CIA knew about the plans for 911 and told no one. It was just >>>>>>>> as easy to manipulte the Taliban as anyone else. The video's of >>>>>>>> the pipe bombs being set before the Democrat and Republican Party >>>>>>>> headquarters shows total unconcern by the Secret Service and DC >>>>>>>> police which shows that the plan was to blame Trump extremists but >>>>>>>> it was too little and too late. Instead they used January 6th as >>>>>>>> an "insurrection".
There is so much hard evidence of the public being manipulated >>>>>>>> into wars by the CIA that I find it difficult to believe that
everyone doesn't see it.
Doesn't it strike you as strange that Ruby "killed himself" in his >>>>>>>> cell like Epstein did? That while there was no cameras on Ruby, >>>>>>>> that for cameras on Epstein were either not working or were
accidentally moved to point in the wrong direction? That the
gaurds missed their usual check on him?
Hey Tommy! Jack Ruby died of a pulmonary embolism on January 3, 1967, >>>>> at Parkland Hospital,
His conviction had been overturned and he had been granted a
re-trial.
The single arbiter of all that is right, pure, and true in forum forum >>>> has told a mis-truth?!?!?!
SAY IT AIN'T SO!!!!!
I truly believe that Tommy is either one of the more stupid people to
inhabit the world or is a psychopathic liar.
I'm still waiting for him to explain how he went from living on social
security in 2013 to making $12000 a month off his investments without
having an income source _other_ than social security.
Then there was that tall tale of how he was a "senior business
manager/cosultant" or some other such horseshit while allegedly saving
the world by designing emergency-room medical electronics (but never had
to deal with the FDA).
The list goes on, and on....Wait, how did Jack Ruby die again?
lol...
I presently have over a million dollars in investments.
With the election
of Trump the S$P gained 5.5%. If you can add and subtract perhaps you can explain to me how much my investments which are largely S&P gained?
Or did this frazzle your brain too much for you to figure out?
You can
always pull your usual cry that I'm living on Social Security which is
mostly true since I own my own home and cook for myself and my wife so SS
is more or less adequate to pay my bills. Including my dental work, my medication and buying and operating my poor old 15 year old car that gets
35 mpg on the open road. Gee I'm even making 19 mpg in the city. Your transportation probably uses friction shifters.
On Tue Dec 3 11:41:02 2024 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 12/3/2024 11:03 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
I grow weary of people who know nothing finding out about the worldWhere they find out about it is irrelevant, as long as they can back it
through wikipedia and pretending then to know something. John
unfortunately does this a great deal. This is as bad as Liebermann telling >>> us all about Cull Canyom because he had managed to find it on Google Earth. >>
up with a reference, and even better when they can rationally discuss
and give a defensible position.
John may not have given an attribution, but at least he wasn't pulling
weird "facts" out of his ass.
We already know that you are a thief of your employers money and that is why you will not use youe own name of that of your employer
Anythinjg you have to say is oompletely irrelevant because you actually know nothing at all about anything.
You most certainly don't know your own job because you take credit for the work of others.
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