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    From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 1 21:06:47 2025
    On Thu Dec 12 16:09:38 2024 Zen Cycle wrote:

    But that would be succumbing to the evil gubmint violation of my 2nd amendment rights.




    Now if you only had a passing clue what you're talking about.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 1 21:12:03 2025
    On Thu Dec 12 18:37:02 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 12/12/2024 2:49 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 12/12/2024 11:51 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 12/12/2024 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 12/12/2024 7:19 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 12/11/2024 4:59 PM, AMuzi wrote:

    So you agree with me that the crucial aspects are the actor and the
    act, not the hardware.

    To a certain extent.

    If every human being could be trusted to act responsibly, allowing a
    device that was developed expressly to kill other human beings to be
    possessed without any restrictions wouldn't be a problem.

    But in that case, why would a person possess such a device? Some level
    of intent to kill is what drives ownership.

    Yes, yes, I know that Andrew is not intent on killing when he takes his
    AR to the range. But somewhere in there is "practicing in case I need
    it" as motivation. That is, the motivation is not to put closely spaced
    holes in paper, because a .177 air rifle can do that as well or better. Somewhere is "I can blast away and destroy."

    Following your posit to the extreme, there should be no reason
    therefore to prevent me from mounting a fully- operational m134
    minigun on the roof of my car. Hey, I'm a responsible adult, never
    been arrested, I've never committed any acts of violence, even had a
    security clearance for a time. If the criteria is _solely_ 'the actor
    and the act', why shouldn't I be able to do that?

    Why shouldn't _any_ one who has never had any history of violent
    behavior _not_ be allowed to own weapons of war? It's not like people
    with no history of violence have _ever_ engaged in a mass shooting....

    Well, you could.

    Tedious lengthy process plus $200 will get you your very own NFA tax stamp,

    But nobody does that without harboring at least the image of using such
    a gun to kill other people.

    I think it's a bit weird even when it's confined to the world of video
    games. But when it leads to possession and proliferation of devices
    designed for such killing, it's a real societal problem.




    Tell me Frank, what does it feel like for the law itself to disagree with you? Does it make you believe that the law is wrong and should be changed by violence if necessary? Doesn't that show the VERY reason that the 2nd Amendment exists?

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