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    From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 4 20:15:34 2025
    On Fri Jan 3 11:59:15 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 1/3/2025 11:12 AM, cyclintom wrote:

    Coming out of Niles Canyon, you have to ride at around 20 mph Because of traffic I was forced to cross a rumble strip with my 28 mm tires and came damned close to losing control but it did allow me to let 5 cars moving at 45 mph + get past before a
    constriction. While you're talking about taking the lane why don't you come here and try taking the lane? You would soon discover, if you're lucky, from a hospital bed that California deivers don't like your ideas.

    Ah. We haven't had a "Bicycling is really dangerous _HERE_!" post in
    quite a while.

    So you judged that nearly losing control in front of a 45 mph car was
    safer than legally taking the lane? Yes, my choice would have been
    different, and I've made that choice in <gasp!> California; but
    admittedly not in your super-dangerous neighborhood. When I do that, motorists wait until its safe to pass. Exceptions are vanishingly rare.

    As I often ask, what do you do when riding in a ten foot lane with no shoulder, when an 8.5 foot wide truck approaches from behind? Do you
    jump off the bike and humbly bow?




    If you look at what I said (unlikely since you live in a world of your own making) you would see that I did not say that cycling was dangerous, but you have to ride in a manner that high speed traffic is expecting and your "take the lane" is not expected
    by either the drivers or the traffic engineers.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 9 20:20:47 2025
    On Fri Jan 3 11:59:15 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 1/3/2025 11:12 AM, cyclintom wrote:

    Coming out of Niles Canyon, you have to ride at around 20 mph Because of traffic I was forced to cross a rumble strip with my 28 mm tires and came damned close to losing control but it did allow me to let 5 cars moving at 45 mph + get past before a
    constriction. While you're talking about taking the lane why don't you come here and try taking the lane? You would soon discover, if you're lucky, from a hospital bed that California deivers don't like your ideas.

    Ah. We haven't had a "Bicycling is really dangerous _HERE_!" post in
    quite a while.

    So you judged that nearly losing control in front of a 45 mph car was
    safer than legally taking the lane? Yes, my choice would have been
    different, and I've made that choice in <gasp!> California; but
    admittedly not in your super-dangerous neighborhood. When I do that, motorists wait until its safe to pass. Exceptions are vanishingly rare.

    As I often ask, what do you do when riding in a ten foot lane with no shoulder, when an 8.5 foot wide truck approaches from behind? Do you
    jump off the bike and humbly bow?




    Frank, this is California and not Ohio (if there is any real diference in drivers). The roads which used to be some of the best in the nation are now some of the crapiest. It is really not a good idea to ride at 20 mph in front of a car approaching at 45-
    50 mph from behind that will ride up to within inches of your rear wheel. All it takes is one pothole or wobble and they make contact. Because of this you try 5to stay out of their way. I should also note that the speed limit in school zones when shool
    is in session is in many places (three blocks from me) 30 mph when children are entering or leaving school. And "traffic engineers" are trying to raise these speeds.

    I simpy cannot believe that Ohio is that different from California. Whereever Democrats control they are bbusy feeding money from the public coffers to each other.

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