• Re: RE: Alan Dershowitz Says Trump Is Guilty and Must Receive The Harsh

    From AMuzi@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Fri Jan 10 20:10:55 2025
    On 1/10/2025 5:58 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Fri Jan 10 21:47:13 2025 Adrian Dittman wrote:

    No Judge Will Overturn Donald Trump's Conviction?Alan Dershowitz
    Published May 31, 2024 at 11:12 AM EDT


    Attorney Alan Dershowitz believes former President Donald Trump's
    conviction in his criminal hush money case will not be overturned due to
    the New York legal system and judges not wanting to be held
    "responsible" for such decisions.

    Trump has lashed out at the Manhattan jury's decision to find him guilty
    of 34 counts of falsifying business records in relation to purported hush
    money payments made to adult film star Stormy Daniels in the months
    leading up to his successful 2016 presidential election victory. Daniels
    alleged that she had an affair with Trump in 2006, which he has denied.
    Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg brought the case forward as part
    of a March 2023 indictment.

    "This was a disgrace. This was a rigged trial by a conflicted judge who
    was corrupt," Trump said outside the courtroom following the verdict.
    Trump, who has long denounced the prosecution as a "witch hunt," has said
    he is innocent of all charges in this case and other criminal and civil
    cases he is facing.

    While appearing on Steve Bannon's War Room podcast on Thursday,
    Dershowitz said the former president "has to appeal first through the New
    York system, and the New York system are all judges that don't wanna be
    responsible for freeing Donald Trump."

    He added: "These are people who have to live with their families. These
    are people who don't wanna be Dershowitzed."

    Newsweek has reached out to Dershowitz via email for further comment.



    The longtime lawyer and Harvard Law School professor emeritus compared
    Trump's legal anguish to his own personal strife, mentioning how Harvard
    Law School "canceled" him after 50 years of service due to him
    representing Trump during his first impeachment.

    "People know what happened to me when I defended Donald Trump on the
    floor of the Senate. Nobody on Martha's Vineyard would speak to me....I
    am not encouraged that he'll get a fair appeal," Dershowitz said, adding
    that the case may reach the Supreme Court, but not prior to the November
    5 election.
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    Attorney Alan Dershowitz returns to the courtroom after a break during
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    Court on May 20 in New York City. Dershowitz believes Trump's conviction
    in his...
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    The legal analyst also said he predicted a Trump conviction in this case
    due to the location of the trial and strong Democratic leaning in New
    York City, echoing Trump's words about the overall case being "rigged."

    Dershowitz's Thursday remarks are contrary to what he said earlier this
    month, in which he said during the first days of the trial that
    prosecutors in the hush money case were perhaps following a doomed
    "roadmap" in attempting to reach a Trump conviction?comparing the case to
    the New York Court of Appeals' overturning of Harvey Weinstein's 2020
    rape conviction.

    "I can't imagine how the Court of Appeals in New York that reversed the
    Harvey Weinstein conviction?which was a harder case to reverse?wouldn't
    reverse this conviction if it got up there," he said on Fox News.
    Read more

    Donald Trump "nearly doubled" fundraising record after verdict:
    Campaign
    George Conway trolls evangelical leader's defense of Donald Trump
    Donald Trump's hometown newspaper cheers guilty verdict: "Damning"
    Mary Trump does victory lap after Donald Trump verdict

    The longtime lawyer also said in April that some Democrats wanted Trump
    "killed" based on legislation introduced by Representative Bennie
    Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, called the "Denying Infinite Security
    and Government Resources Allocated toward Convicted and Extremely
    Dishonorable Former Protectees Act"?or the DISGRACED Act?intended to
    terminate Secret Service protection for individuals convicted of either
    state or local felonies.

    New York City-based attorney Nicole Brenecki recently told Newsweek that
    Secret Service has very likely already been involved in any potential
    incarceration discussions should Trump be sentenced to prison time.

    Trump's sentencing will be on July 11.




    A Democrat prosecutor taking a case SPECIFICALLY before a Democrat judge and with 100% registered Democrat Jury.

    There isn't even an INKLING of a law that makes it illegal for a man to pay a sexual partner for her silence or else the entire Democrat Congress would be DOA.

    No one said an NDL is illegal. He was not charged for that.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 11 20:19:40 2025
    On Fri Jan 10 20:10:55 2025 AMuzi wrote:
    On 1/10/2025 5:58 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Fri Jan 10 21:47:13 2025 Adrian Dittman wrote:

    No Judge Will Overturn Donald Trump's Conviction?Alan Dershowitz
    Published May 31, 2024 at 11:12 AM EDT


    Attorney Alan Dershowitz believes former President Donald Trump's
    conviction in his criminal hush money case will not be overturned due to >> the New York legal system and judges not wanting to be held
    "responsible" for such decisions.

    Trump has lashed out at the Manhattan jury's decision to find him guilty >> of 34 counts of falsifying business records in relation to purported hush >> money payments made to adult film star Stormy Daniels in the months
    leading up to his successful 2016 presidential election victory. Daniels >> alleged that she had an affair with Trump in 2006, which he has denied.
    Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg brought the case forward as part >> of a March 2023 indictment.

    "This was a disgrace. This was a rigged trial by a conflicted judge who
    was corrupt," Trump said outside the courtroom following the verdict.
    Trump, who has long denounced the prosecution as a "witch hunt," has said >> he is innocent of all charges in this case and other criminal and civil
    cases he is facing.

    While appearing on Steve Bannon's War Room podcast on Thursday,
    Dershowitz said the former president "has to appeal first through the New >> York system, and the New York system are all judges that don't wanna be
    responsible for freeing Donald Trump."

    He added: "These are people who have to live with their families. These
    are people who don't wanna be Dershowitzed."

    Newsweek has reached out to Dershowitz via email for further comment.



    The longtime lawyer and Harvard Law School professor emeritus compared
    Trump's legal anguish to his own personal strife, mentioning how Harvard >> Law School "canceled" him after 50 years of service due to him
    representing Trump during his first impeachment.

    "People know what happened to me when I defended Donald Trump on the
    floor of the Senate. Nobody on Martha's Vineyard would speak to me....I
    am not encouraged that he'll get a fair appeal," Dershowitz said, adding >> that the case may reach the Supreme Court, but not prior to the November >> 5 election.
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    Attorney Alan Dershowitz returns to the courtroom after a break during
    former President Donald Trump's hush money trial at Manhattan Criminal
    Court on May 20 in New York City. Dershowitz believes Trump's conviction >> in his...
    Michael M. Santiago/Getty Images

    The legal analyst also said he predicted a Trump conviction in this case >> due to the location of the trial and strong Democratic leaning in New
    York City, echoing Trump's words about the overall case being "rigged."

    Dershowitz's Thursday remarks are contrary to what he said earlier this
    month, in which he said during the first days of the trial that
    prosecutors in the hush money case were perhaps following a doomed
    "roadmap" in attempting to reach a Trump conviction?comparing the case to >> the New York Court of Appeals' overturning of Harvey Weinstein's 2020
    rape conviction.

    "I can't imagine how the Court of Appeals in New York that reversed the
    Harvey Weinstein conviction?which was a harder case to reverse?wouldn't
    reverse this conviction if it got up there," he said on Fox News.
    Read more

    Donald Trump "nearly doubled" fundraising record after verdict:
    Campaign
    George Conway trolls evangelical leader's defense of Donald Trump
    Donald Trump's hometown newspaper cheers guilty verdict: "Damning"
    Mary Trump does victory lap after Donald Trump verdict

    The longtime lawyer also said in April that some Democrats wanted Trump
    "killed" based on legislation introduced by Representative Bennie
    Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, called the "Denying Infinite Security
    and Government Resources Allocated toward Convicted and Extremely
    Dishonorable Former Protectees Act"?or the DISGRACED Act?intended to
    terminate Secret Service protection for individuals convicted of either
    state or local felonies.

    New York City-based attorney Nicole Brenecki recently told Newsweek that >> Secret Service has very likely already been involved in any potential
    incarceration discussions should Trump be sentenced to prison time.

    Trump's sentencing will be on July 11.




    A Democrat prosecutor taking a case SPECIFICALLY before a Democrat judge and with 100% registered Democrat Jury.

    There isn't even an INKLING of a law that makes it illegal for a man to pay a sexual partner for her silence or else the entire Democrat Congress would be DOA.

    No one said an NDL is illegal. He was not charged for that.




    What do you think that Trump was charged with? The DA claimed that paying for a woman's silence broke election laws since it could have cost him votes.

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Sat Jan 11 15:13:47 2025
    On 1/11/2025 2:19 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Fri Jan 10 20:10:55 2025 AMuzi wrote:
    On 1/10/2025 5:58 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Fri Jan 10 21:47:13 2025 Adrian Dittman wrote:

    No Judge Will Overturn Donald Trump's Conviction?Alan Dershowitz
    Published May 31, 2024 at 11:12 AM EDT


    Attorney Alan Dershowitz believes former President Donald Trump's
    conviction in his criminal hush money case will not be overturned due to >>>> the New York legal system and judges not wanting to be held
    "responsible" for such decisions.

    Trump has lashed out at the Manhattan jury's decision to find him guilty >>>> of 34 counts of falsifying business records in relation to purported hush >>>> money payments made to adult film star Stormy Daniels in the months
    leading up to his successful 2016 presidential election victory. Daniels >>>> alleged that she had an affair with Trump in 2006, which he has denied. >>>> Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg brought the case forward as part >>>> of a March 2023 indictment.

    "This was a disgrace. This was a rigged trial by a conflicted judge who >>>> was corrupt," Trump said outside the courtroom following the verdict.
    Trump, who has long denounced the prosecution as a "witch hunt," has said >>>> he is innocent of all charges in this case and other criminal and civil >>>> cases he is facing.

    While appearing on Steve Bannon's War Room podcast on Thursday,
    Dershowitz said the former president "has to appeal first through the New >>>> York system, and the New York system are all judges that don't wanna be >>>> responsible for freeing Donald Trump."

    He added: "These are people who have to live with their families. These >>>> are people who don't wanna be Dershowitzed."

    Newsweek has reached out to Dershowitz via email for further comment.



    The longtime lawyer and Harvard Law School professor emeritus compared >>>> Trump's legal anguish to his own personal strife, mentioning how Harvard >>>> Law School "canceled" him after 50 years of service due to him
    representing Trump during his first impeachment.

    "People know what happened to me when I defended Donald Trump on the
    floor of the Senate. Nobody on Martha's Vineyard would speak to me....I >>>> am not encouraged that he'll get a fair appeal," Dershowitz said, adding >>>> that the case may reach the Supreme Court, but not prior to the November >>>> 5 election.
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    Alan Dershowitz
    Attorney Alan Dershowitz returns to the courtroom after a break during >>>> former President Donald Trump's hush money trial at Manhattan Criminal >>>> Court on May 20 in New York City. Dershowitz believes Trump's conviction >>>> in his...
    Michael M. Santiago/Getty Images

    The legal analyst also said he predicted a Trump conviction in this case >>>> due to the location of the trial and strong Democratic leaning in New
    York City, echoing Trump's words about the overall case being "rigged." >>>>
    Dershowitz's Thursday remarks are contrary to what he said earlier this >>>> month, in which he said during the first days of the trial that
    prosecutors in the hush money case were perhaps following a doomed
    "roadmap" in attempting to reach a Trump conviction?comparing the case to >>>> the New York Court of Appeals' overturning of Harvey Weinstein's 2020
    rape conviction.

    "I can't imagine how the Court of Appeals in New York that reversed the >>>> Harvey Weinstein conviction?which was a harder case to reverse?wouldn't >>>> reverse this conviction if it got up there," he said on Fox News.
    Read more

    Donald Trump "nearly doubled" fundraising record after verdict:
    Campaign
    George Conway trolls evangelical leader's defense of Donald Trump >>>> Donald Trump's hometown newspaper cheers guilty verdict: "Damning" >>>> Mary Trump does victory lap after Donald Trump verdict

    The longtime lawyer also said in April that some Democrats wanted Trump >>>> "killed" based on legislation introduced by Representative Bennie
    Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, called the "Denying Infinite Security >>>> and Government Resources Allocated toward Convicted and Extremely
    Dishonorable Former Protectees Act"?or the DISGRACED Act?intended to
    terminate Secret Service protection for individuals convicted of either >>>> state or local felonies.

    New York City-based attorney Nicole Brenecki recently told Newsweek that >>>> Secret Service has very likely already been involved in any potential
    incarceration discussions should Trump be sentenced to prison time.

    Trump's sentencing will be on July 11.




    A Democrat prosecutor taking a case SPECIFICALLY before a Democrat judge and with 100% registered Democrat Jury.

    There isn't even an INKLING of a law that makes it illegal for a man to pay a sexual partner for her silence or else the entire Democrat Congress would be DOA.

    No one said an NDL is illegal. He was not charged for that.




    What do you think that Trump was charged with? The DA claimed that paying for a woman's silence broke election laws since it could have cost him votes.

    Not quite.

    An NDA is perfectly legal (I have been on either side of
    several NDAs over the years).

    Disgraced attorney Cohen (who later admitted stealing from
    Mr Trump separately from this situation) wrote the NDA,
    secured the signature and made the disbursement. He then
    billed the Trump organization and requested 34 payments. The
    bookkeepers entered those payments as 'legal expense', which
    in fact they were.

    After the 2016 election, the FEC investigated the matter to
    see if any of it constituted an illegal campaign
    contribution. Their decision was that no violation occurred
    and no complaint should be brought.

    Nothing happened until Mr Trump announced his candidacy for
    the 2024 election. Then this contorted logic lawsuit (and
    others) sprung up as if by magic. And when I say magic, I
    mean Eric Holder and Merrick Garland. Without precedent,
    the US Justice Department #3 official Michael Colangelo took
    over the case in a New York County court and steered it
    along, wrote the indictment, briefs, personally argued the
    case. Mr Bragg's Manhattan District Attorney office has a
    $575 million annual budget and 1200 employees including
    experienced qualified attorneys. and yet...


    So as I understand it they charge that writing an NDA is not
    a crime but recording payments for legal services as 'legal
    services' is an infraction.

    Since that is an administrative infraction, they then
    extended it to allege 'illegal campaign contribution' which
    it was not. Even if it were, subsidiarity prevents county
    district attorneys from charging Federal crimes. But it is
    not, both on its face and also because the FEC is charged
    with those matters and they had already ruled the item was
    not illegal. Prosecutors alleged that Federal crime but it
    was never charged.

    Even more convoluted, since none of the above charges are
    criminal, they invoked a NY statute charging that
    infractions committed in furtherance of a felony become
    felonies. So these perfectly legal acts became illegal
    furtherance of alleged (but not proved) illegal campaign
    contributions (which they weren't and that issue had been
    previously decided).

    I ask again, where's the crime?
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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 11 22:26:36 2025
    On Sat Jan 11 15:13:47 2025 AMuzi wrote:
    On 1/11/2025 2:19 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Fri Jan 10 20:10:55 2025 AMuzi wrote:
    On 1/10/2025 5:58 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Fri Jan 10 21:47:13 2025 Adrian Dittman wrote:

    No Judge Will Overturn Donald Trump's Conviction?Alan Dershowitz
    Published May 31, 2024 at 11:12 AM EDT


    Attorney Alan Dershowitz believes former President Donald Trump's
    conviction in his criminal hush money case will not be overturned due to >>>> the New York legal system and judges not wanting to be held
    "responsible" for such decisions.

    Trump has lashed out at the Manhattan jury's decision to find him guilty >>>> of 34 counts of falsifying business records in relation to purported hush
    money payments made to adult film star Stormy Daniels in the months
    leading up to his successful 2016 presidential election victory. Daniels >>>> alleged that she had an affair with Trump in 2006, which he has denied. >>>> Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg brought the case forward as part >>>> of a March 2023 indictment.

    "This was a disgrace. This was a rigged trial by a conflicted judge who >>>> was corrupt," Trump said outside the courtroom following the verdict. >>>> Trump, who has long denounced the prosecution as a "witch hunt," has said
    he is innocent of all charges in this case and other criminal and civil >>>> cases he is facing.

    While appearing on Steve Bannon's War Room podcast on Thursday,
    Dershowitz said the former president "has to appeal first through the New
    York system, and the New York system are all judges that don't wanna be >>>> responsible for freeing Donald Trump."

    He added: "These are people who have to live with their families. These >>>> are people who don't wanna be Dershowitzed."

    Newsweek has reached out to Dershowitz via email for further comment. >>>>


    The longtime lawyer and Harvard Law School professor emeritus compared >>>> Trump's legal anguish to his own personal strife, mentioning how Harvard >>>> Law School "canceled" him after 50 years of service due to him
    representing Trump during his first impeachment.

    "People know what happened to me when I defended Donald Trump on the >>>> floor of the Senate. Nobody on Martha's Vineyard would speak to me....I >>>> am not encouraged that he'll get a fair appeal," Dershowitz said, adding >>>> that the case may reach the Supreme Court, but not prior to the November >>>> 5 election.
    Exclusively Available to Subscribers
    Try it now for $1
    Alan Dershowitz
    Attorney Alan Dershowitz returns to the courtroom after a break during >>>> former President Donald Trump's hush money trial at Manhattan Criminal >>>> Court on May 20 in New York City. Dershowitz believes Trump's conviction >>>> in his...
    Michael M. Santiago/Getty Images

    The legal analyst also said he predicted a Trump conviction in this case >>>> due to the location of the trial and strong Democratic leaning in New >>>> York City, echoing Trump's words about the overall case being "rigged." >>>>
    Dershowitz's Thursday remarks are contrary to what he said earlier this >>>> month, in which he said during the first days of the trial that
    prosecutors in the hush money case were perhaps following a doomed
    "roadmap" in attempting to reach a Trump conviction?comparing the case to
    the New York Court of Appeals' overturning of Harvey Weinstein's 2020 >>>> rape conviction.

    "I can't imagine how the Court of Appeals in New York that reversed the >>>> Harvey Weinstein conviction?which was a harder case to reverse?wouldn't >>>> reverse this conviction if it got up there," he said on Fox News.
    Read more

    Donald Trump "nearly doubled" fundraising record after verdict: >>>> Campaign
    George Conway trolls evangelical leader's defense of Donald Trump >>>> Donald Trump's hometown newspaper cheers guilty verdict: "Damning" >>>> Mary Trump does victory lap after Donald Trump verdict

    The longtime lawyer also said in April that some Democrats wanted Trump >>>> "killed" based on legislation introduced by Representative Bennie
    Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, called the "Denying Infinite Security >>>> and Government Resources Allocated toward Convicted and Extremely
    Dishonorable Former Protectees Act"?or the DISGRACED Act?intended to >>>> terminate Secret Service protection for individuals convicted of either >>>> state or local felonies.

    New York City-based attorney Nicole Brenecki recently told Newsweek that >>>> Secret Service has very likely already been involved in any potential >>>> incarceration discussions should Trump be sentenced to prison time.

    Trump's sentencing will be on July 11.




    A Democrat prosecutor taking a case SPECIFICALLY before a Democrat judge and with 100% registered Democrat Jury.

    There isn't even an INKLING of a law that makes it illegal for a man to pay a sexual partner for her silence or else the entire Democrat Congress would be DOA.

    No one said an NDL is illegal. He was not charged for that.




    What do you think that Trump was charged with? The DA claimed that paying for a woman's silence broke election laws since it could have cost him votes.

    Not quite.

    An NDA is perfectly legal (I have been on either side of
    several NDAs over the years).

    Disgraced attorney Cohen (who later admitted stealing from
    Mr Trump separately from this situation) wrote the NDA,
    secured the signature and made the disbursement. He then
    billed the Trump organization and requested 34 payments. The
    bookkeepers entered those payments as 'legal expense', which
    in fact they were.

    After the 2016 election, the FEC investigated the matter to
    see if any of it constituted an illegal campaign
    contribution. Their decision was that no violation occurred
    and no complaint should be brought.

    Nothing happened until Mr Trump announced his candidacy for
    the 2024 election. Then this contorted logic lawsuit (and
    others) sprung up as if by magic. And when I say magic, I
    mean Eric Holder and Merrick Garland. Without precedent,
    the US Justice Department #3 official Michael Colangelo took
    over the case in a New York County court and steered it
    along, wrote the indictment, briefs, personally argued the
    case. Mr Bragg's Manhattan District Attorney office has a
    $575 million annual budget and 1200 employees including
    experienced qualified attorneys. and yet...


    So as I understand it they charge that writing an NDA is not
    a crime but recording payments for legal services as 'legal
    services' is an infraction.

    Since that is an administrative infraction, they then
    extended it to allege 'illegal campaign contribution' which
    it was not. Even if it were, subsidiarity prevents county
    district attorneys from charging Federal crimes. But it is
    not, both on its face and also because the FEC is charged
    with those matters and they had already ruled the item was
    not illegal. Prosecutors alleged that Federal crime but it
    was never charged.

    Even more convoluted, since none of the above charges are
    criminal, they invoked a NY statute charging that
    infractions committed in furtherance of a felony become
    felonies. So these perfectly legal acts became illegal
    furtherance of alleged (but not proved) illegal campaign
    contributions (which they weren't and that issue had been
    previously decided).

    I ask again, where's the crime?




    Next legal problem I have I will come to you first. It is plain that the Supreme Court will overthrow that case. It is a real pain that lawyers and judges are very difficult to be held responsible for their misdeeds.

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