On Thu Jan 16 11:54:16 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:

On 1/16/2025 7:36 AM, zen cycle wrote:

On 1/16/2025 6:58 AM, John B. wrote:

On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 05:43:56 -0500, zen cycle

https://www.dot.nh.gov/projects-plans-and-programs/programs/bikes-and-
pedestrians/rules-traffic-safety
Bicyclists have the same rights and responsibilities as motorists.
Bicycles are vehicles (RSA 265:143).

Oh, BTW, your link also contains this little nugget:
"Take the full lane when your safety depends on it....There are many
common operational situations where cyclists must control the lane, including:
- When overtaking and passing another bicycle or any other vehicle proceeding in the same direction.
- When preparing for or making a left turn at an intersection or into a driveway.
- When proceeding straight in a place where right turns are permitted.
- When necessary to avoid hazardous conditions, including, but not
limited to, fixed or moving objects, vehicles, bicycles, pedestrians, animals, broken pavement, glass, sand, puddles, ice, or opening doors of parked vehicles."

So, you can use whatever verbiage you like...'seize', 'take', 'control'....it's a common method for safe cycling, and yes, if you do
it wrong, you can get yourself killed.

John, are you paying attention?

Frank, you make no sense at all. You decry helmets as useless when I am the one that have actually done the reseatrch and published it showing that they are ineffective in motor vehicle accidents but of limited use in single vehicle accidents. You don't
like bike lanes despite the significant decrease in accidents when bike lanes are present (with large studies to prove it). And despite laws that say that you are supposed to stay as far right as practiceable you claim you always seize the lane with the
excuse that it is always necessary.

I can only assume that you believe yourself to be privileged and safe because of your social position.

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On Thu Jan 16 07:36:05 2025 zen cycle wrote:

On 1/16/2025 6:58 AM, John B. wrote:

On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 05:43:56 -0500, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 1/15/2025 1:34 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On 1/15/2025 12:26 PM, cyclintom wrote:

On Thu Jan 9 19:17:51 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:

Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

"Protected" bike lane hazard lawsuit:

https://komonews.com/news/local/cyclist-green-lake-neighborhood- >>>>>> king-county-superior-court-aviv-litov-26-years-old-bike-lanes-life- >>>>>> altering-injuries-strittmatter-firm-configuration-tesla

I?m unconvinced by such designs seems asking for trouble and and
attempting
to please everyone ie compromise the cycleway for car parking, I?m >>>>> guessing
nice wide junction with no attempt to slow cars down let alone
control it?

Roger Merriman

As a cyclist you don't have automatic right-of-way and are responsible >>>> to watch for idiots.

? I don't know what you mean by "_automatic_ right of way" but according >>> to typical state laws, cyclists do have a right to use the road, and
other road users must respect that.

The phrase "right of way" does not necessarily occur in state laws. It's >>> not present in Ohio laws, AFAIK. But detail text of laws makes it clear >>> that in many instances - at stop signs, before pulling out of a
driveway, etc. - vehicle operators must yield to other vehicles or other >>> traffic. That includes bicycles; therefore, bicyclists do have what's
colloquially called "right of way."

Pulling out directly in front of a moving bicyclists and causing him to >>> crash will (or should) get you a ticket.

I think in New Hampsire cyclists are regarded as pedestrians such that
they are granted the right of way, but at least in Massachusetts:

https://www.dot.nh.gov/projects-plans-and-programs/programs/bikes-and-pedestrians/rules-traffic-safety
Bicyclists have the same rights and responsibilities as motorists.
Bicycles are vehicles (RSA 265:143).

Thanks, I was too lazy to look up the link, but there's quite a bit more
to it that that. Your link points to this:

https://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XXI/265/265-143-a.htm
" Every driver of a vehicle, when approaching a bicyclist, shall insure
the safety and protection of the bicyclist and shall exercise due care
by leaving a reasonable and prudent distance between the vehicle and the bicycle. The distance shall be presumed to be reasonable and prudent if
it is at least 3 feet when the vehicle is traveling at 30 miles per hour
or less, with one additional foot of clearance required for every 10
miles per hour above 30 miles per hour. "

IOW - the responsibility for the safety of the cyclist lies with the
driver of the motor vehicle.

Oh, BTW, your link also contains this little nugget:
"Take the full lane when your safety depends on it....There are many
common operational situations where cyclists must control the lane, including:
- When overtaking and passing another bicycle or any other vehicle
proceeding in the same direction.
- When preparing for or making a left turn at an intersection or into a driveway.
- When proceeding straight in a place where right turns are permitted.
- When necessary to avoid hazardous conditions, including, but not
limited to, fixed or moving objects, vehicles, bicycles, pedestrians, animals, broken pavement, glass, sand, puddles, ice, or opening doors of parked vehicles."

So, you can use whatever verbiage you like...'seize', 'take', 'control'....it's a common method for safe cycling, and yes, if you do
it wrong, you can get yourself killed.

From https://www.mass.gov/doc/english-drivers-manual/download

at a green light: A steady green circle means ?go.? But first, you must
yield to other vehicles, bicycles, or pedestrians in the road.

As a motorist in the presence of bicycles:
? Do Not Cut-Off After Passing: When passing a bicycle traveling in the
same direction that is on your right, you must not return to the right
until you have safely passed the overtaken bicycle. (Chap. 89, Sec. 2)
? Do Not Make an Abrupt Turn After Passing: When passing a bicycle near
an intersection or driveway where you want to turn right, you cannot
turn unless you are at a safe distance from the bicyclist and you can
make the turn at a reasonable and proper speed. (Chap. 90, Sec 14)
? Do Not Squeeze Bicycles in a Narrow Lane: If a lane is too narrow to
pass a bicycle at a safe distance, be PATIENT until you can safely use
an adjacent lane or WAIT until it is safe to pass in the lane you share. >> (Chap. 89, Sec. 2) You must stay at least four feet away when passing.
? Do Not Fail to Yield When Turning Left: When turning left at an
intersection or into an alley, private road, or driveway, you must yield >> the right of way to a vehicle approaching from the opposite direction,
including a bicycle, if it is in the intersection or close enough to be
an immediate hazard. (Chap. 90, Sec 14)
? Watch for Bicycles on Your Right: Bicycles can legally ride to the
right of motor vehicle traffic. The law says it is not a defense for a
motorist causing a crash with a bicycle that the bicycle was to the
right of other traffic. (Chap. 85, Sec 11B)
? Do Not Open a Door Without First Looking: Drivers and passengers can
be fined up to $100 for opening a vehicle door into an oncoming bicycle. >> (Chap. 90, Sec 14) Before opening your door, you should always check
behind you to make sure that no bicyclists are approaching.
? Be aware that bicyclists can ride two bicycles side-by-side. However,
on a road with more than one lane in the direction of travel, they must
stay in one lane. (Chap. 85, Sec. 11B)
? Be aware that bicyclists Do Not Always Have to Signal Turns!
Bicyclists must signal their intent by either hand to stop or turn.
However, the signal does not have to be continuous or be made at all if
both hands are needed for the bicycle?s safe operation. (Chap. 85, Sec. 11B)

It then goes to explain yielding to cyclists in bike lanes, bike boxes,
and how not to 'door' a cyclist.

That is agreed upon by everyone except Franki who claims that you should always take the lane. The only reason he says these sorts of things is that he either rides completely on narrow back streets or he doesn't ride at all.

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On Thu Jan 16 09:19:49 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:

cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Thu Jan 9 19:17:51 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:

Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

"Protected" bike lane hazard lawsuit:

https://komonews.com/news/local/cyclist-green-lake-neighborhood-king-county-superior-court-aviv-litov-26-years-old-bike-lanes-life-altering-injuries-strittmatter-firm-configuration-tesla

I?m unconvinced by such designs seems asking for trouble and and attempting
to please everyone ie compromise the cycleway for car parking, I?m guessing
nice wide junction with no attempt to slow cars down let alone control it? >>
Roger Merriman

As a cyclist you don't have automatic right-of-way and are responsible to watch for idiots.

The two aren?t mutually exclusive certainly in uk bikes as with other forms of transport do have the right of way, clearly the being dead right comes into play as well.

But a junction or crossing that has restricted visibility with a nice wide access so motorists don?t need to slow down is rather asking for trouble.

The car as an every day form of Transportation was invented by Henry Ford. America as opposed to Europe and the UK is infinitely large for a bicyclist which makes it easy to see the popularity of cycling in Europe and the UK.

Because the US is autocentric too many American drivers think that bicyclists are simply in the way.

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