I took my BMC with an 12 speed Campy Record group out on Sunday and contrary to the opinion I had about the extra gears not being helpful, I, in fact, discovered that the extra gears went right inbetween the normal gears I had been using for climbing.Prime account. Ot I can fit a 12 speed freehub to the set of new Superteam wheels I have sitting here. This would leave me needing a 12 speed chain and cassette. The DeRosa is an aluminum main triangle and carbon fiber ends and is lighter than the BMC
Now this might have been because I was pissed off at Campy because they do not make spare parts as they should but what I did was to swap out my Campy groups for 10 speed Dura Ace.
I bought a full rebuild assembly for my disabled 12 speed levers and will fit these on my DeRosa Merak. I must have an extra set of Campy wheels somewhere but if I don't, $400 will buy a set of new Khamsin wheels from Amazon and my wife has an active
As for the Dura Ace 10 speed parts. They are very useful since unlike the 10 speed Campy components you could get long arm derailleurs for them and shift large road gears like my 11-36's. So I could get a pretty penny for them and one set of leversalone will pay for the full Campy 12 speed lever rebuild assembly from Canada before import taxes come into effect.
Looking at this stack of freehubs I have here I think that I aleady have a Campy 12 speed if it fits on the Superteam wheels.
While the Dura Ace 9000 brakes are very nice brakes it was shocking how much better the Campy brakes were, Not that they stopped any better but were so much more keenly controlable with the braking occuring over a parger span of the brake lever.
I guess I simply didn't notice these refinements when I was using them every day.
In any case I should say that the LTWoo (R9) 11 speed levers shift like a Campy lever but use all Shimano parts since they have the same pull ratios.
And since I was using the Giro shoes I didn't have particularly sore feet when I removed them. I'm hoping that Sidi Genius shoes work as well but the Sidi Carbon shoes are a little tight on the the lateral plantar nerve.
The Campy 12 speed has a limit of 34 tooth on the cassette but I don't seem to be gaining anything with the Shimano 36 tooth. I am going so slow that control becomes a problem and not strength.
On 1/20/2025 6:17 PM, cyclintom wrote:Prime account. Ot I can fit a 12 speed freehub to the set of new Superteam wheels I have sitting here. This would leave me needing a 12 speed chain and cassette. The DeRosa is an aluminum main triangle and carbon fiber ends and is lighter than the BMC
I took my BMC with an 12 speed Campy Record group out on Sunday and contrary to the opinion I had about the extra gears not being helpful, I, in fact, discovered that the extra gears went right inbetween the normal gears I had been using for climbing.
Now this might have been because I was pissed off at Campy because they do not make spare parts as they should but what I did was to swap out my Campy groups for 10 speed Dura Ace.
I bought a full rebuild assembly for my disabled 12 speed levers and will fit these on my DeRosa Merak. I must have an extra set of Campy wheels somewhere but if I don't, $400 will buy a set of new Khamsin wheels from Amazon and my wife has an active
alone will pay for the full Campy 12 speed lever rebuild assembly from Canada before import taxes come into effect.As for the Dura Ace 10 speed parts. They are very useful since unlike the 10 speed Campy components you could get long arm derailleurs for them and shift large road gears like my 11-36's. So I could get a pretty penny for them and one set of levers
Looking at this stack of freehubs I have here I think that I aleady have a Campy 12 speed if it fits on the Superteam wheels.
While the Dura Ace 9000 brakes are very nice brakes it was shocking how much better the Campy brakes were, Not that they stopped any better but were so much more keenly controlable with the braking occuring over a parger span of the brake lever.
I guess I simply didn't notice these refinements when I was using them every day.
In any case I should say that the LTWoo (R9) 11 speed levers shift like a Campy lever but use all Shimano parts since they have the same pull ratios.
And since I was using the Giro shoes I didn't have particularly sore feet when I removed them. I'm hoping that Sidi Genius shoes work as well but the Sidi Carbon shoes are a little tight on the the lateral plantar nerve.
The Campy 12 speed has a limit of 34 tooth on the cassette but I don't seem to be gaining anything with the Shimano 36 tooth. I am going so slow that control becomes a problem and not strength.
"As for the Dura Ace 10 speed parts. They are very useful
since unlike the 10 speed Campy components you could get
long arm derailleurs for them "
Keywords for search: Record 10sp triple RD or Campagnolo
Racing T 10sp RD.
http://www.yellowjersey.org/SGSANTAN.JPG
By the way, regarding "pissed off at Campy because they do
not make spare parts as they should ", where do you buy
your Dura Ace gear wire capstan for the STi levers? If I
recall that was the Campagnolo part you broke.
On Mon Jan 20 18:41:29 2025 AMuzi wrote:Prime account. Ot I can fit a 12 speed freehub to the set of new Superteam wheels I have sitting here. This would leave me needing a 12 speed chain and cassette. The DeRosa is an aluminum main triangle and carbon fiber ends and is lighter than the BMC
On 1/20/2025 6:17 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I took my BMC with an 12 speed Campy Record group out on Sunday and contrary to the opinion I had about the extra gears not being helpful, I, in fact, discovered that the extra gears went right inbetween the normal gears I had been using for climbing.
Now this might have been because I was pissed off at Campy because they do not make spare parts as they should but what I did was to swap out my Campy groups for 10 speed Dura Ace.
I bought a full rebuild assembly for my disabled 12 speed levers and will fit these on my DeRosa Merak. I must have an extra set of Campy wheels somewhere but if I don't, $400 will buy a set of new Khamsin wheels from Amazon and my wife has an active
alone will pay for the full Campy 12 speed lever rebuild assembly from Canada before import taxes come into effect.
As for the Dura Ace 10 speed parts. They are very useful since unlike the 10 speed Campy components you could get long arm derailleurs for them and shift large road gears like my 11-36's. So I could get a pretty penny for them and one set of levers
Looking at this stack of freehubs I have here I think that I aleady have a Campy 12 speed if it fits on the Superteam wheels.
While the Dura Ace 9000 brakes are very nice brakes it was shocking how much better the Campy brakes were, Not that they stopped any better but were so much more keenly controlable with the braking occuring over a parger span of the brake lever.
I guess I simply didn't notice these refinements when I was using them every day.
In any case I should say that the LTWoo (R9) 11 speed levers shift like a Campy lever but use all Shimano parts since they have the same pull ratios.
And since I was using the Giro shoes I didn't have particularly sore feet when I removed them. I'm hoping that Sidi Genius shoes work as well but the Sidi Carbon shoes are a little tight on the the lateral plantar nerve.
The Campy 12 speed has a limit of 34 tooth on the cassette but I don't seem to be gaining anything with the Shimano 36 tooth. I am going so slow that control becomes a problem and not strength.
"As for the Dura Ace 10 speed parts. They are very useful
since unlike the 10 speed Campy components you could get
long arm derailleurs for them "
Keywords for search: Record 10sp triple RD or Campagnolo
Racing T 10sp RD.
http://www.yellowjersey.org/SGSANTAN.JPG
By the way, regarding "pissed off at Campy because they do
not make spare parts as they should ", where do you buy
your Dura Ace gear wire capstan for the STi levers? If I
recall that was the Campagnolo part you broke.
Triples were terrible devices. OK for touring bikes but absolute trash for racing. They were usually a 52/48/30 though a lot of people replaced the 48 with a 45 or even a 42 on the later 130 mm triples. They were forever misshifting in a racing settingand that was the end of your race at that point. Plus I was a lugger so there was no reason for me to have a 30 tooth.
Campy 10 speed doubles would only shift a 28 though if you used a Daytona rear derailleur you could shift a 30 tooth cog.
On 1/20/2025 6:56 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon Jan 20 18:41:29 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 1/20/2025 6:17 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I took my BMC with an 12 speed Campy Record group out on Sunday and
contrary to the opinion I had about the extra gears not being helpful, >>>> I, in fact, discovered that the extra gears went right inbetween the
normal gears I had been using for climbing.
Now this might have been because I was pissed off at Campy because
they do not make spare parts as they should but what I did was to swap >>>> out my Campy groups for 10 speed Dura Ace.
I bought a full rebuild assembly for my disabled 12 speed levers and
will fit these on my DeRosa Merak. I must have an extra set of Campy
wheels somewhere but if I don't, $400 will buy a set of new Khamsin
wheels from Amazon and my wife has an active Prime account. Ot I can
fit a 12 speed freehub to the set of new Superteam wheels I have
sitting here. This would leave me needing a 12 speed chain and
cassette. The DeRosa is an aluminum main triangle and carbon fiber
ends and is lighter than the BMC SLC01.
As for the Dura Ace 10 speed parts. They are very useful since unlike
the 10 speed Campy components you could get long arm derailleurs for
them and shift large road gears like my 11-36's. So I could get a
pretty penny for them and one set of levers alone will pay for the
full Campy 12 speed lever rebuild assembly from Canada before import
taxes come into effect.
Looking at this stack of freehubs I have here I think that I aleady
have a Campy 12 speed if it fits on the Superteam wheels.
While the Dura Ace 9000 brakes are very nice brakes it was shocking
how much better the Campy brakes were, Not that they stopped any
better but were so much more keenly controlable with the braking
occuring over a parger span of the brake lever.
I guess I simply didn't notice these refinements when I was using them every day.
In any case I should say that the LTWoo (R9) 11 speed levers shift
like a Campy lever but use all Shimano parts since they have the same pull ratios.
And since I was using the Giro shoes I didn't have particularly sore
feet when I removed them. I'm hoping that Sidi Genius shoes work as
well but the Sidi Carbon shoes are a little tight on the the lateral plantar nerve.
The Campy 12 speed has a limit of 34 tooth on the cassette but I don't >>>> seem to be gaining anything with the Shimano 36 tooth. I am going so
slow that control becomes a problem and not strength.
"As for the Dura Ace 10 speed parts. They are very useful
since unlike the 10 speed Campy components you could get
long arm derailleurs for them "
Keywords for search: Record 10sp triple RD or Campagnolo
Racing T 10sp RD.
http://www.yellowjersey.org/SGSANTAN.JPG
By the way, regarding "pissed off at Campy because they do
not make spare parts as they should ", where do you buy
your Dura Ace gear wire capstan for the STi levers? If I
recall that was the Campagnolo part you broke.
Triples were terrible devices. OK for touring bikes but absolute trash
for racing. They were usually a 52/48/30 though a lot of people replaced
the 48 with a 45 or even a 42 on the later 130 mm triples. They were
forever misshifting in a racing setting and that was the end of your
race at that point. Plus I was a lugger so there was no reason for me to have a 30 tooth.
Campy 10 speed doubles would only shift a 28 though if you used a
Daytona rear derailleur you could shift a 30 tooth cog.
The long cage models are called 'triple' by Campagnolo
because they do not produce an 'offroad' series. The long
cage model is what you want.
https://bicyclecampagnolorecord.com/2023/02/campagnolo-record-long-cage-rear-derailleur-10-speed-triple-vintage-bike/
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 1/20/2025 6:56 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon Jan 20 18:41:29 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 1/20/2025 6:17 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I took my BMC with an 12 speed Campy Record group out on Sunday and
contrary to the opinion I had about the extra gears not being helpful, >>>>> I, in fact, discovered that the extra gears went right inbetween the >>>>> normal gears I had been using for climbing.
Now this might have been because I was pissed off at Campy because
they do not make spare parts as they should but what I did was to swap >>>>> out my Campy groups for 10 speed Dura Ace.
I bought a full rebuild assembly for my disabled 12 speed levers and >>>>> will fit these on my DeRosa Merak. I must have an extra set of Campy >>>>> wheels somewhere but if I don't, $400 will buy a set of new Khamsin
wheels from Amazon and my wife has an active Prime account. Ot I can >>>>> fit a 12 speed freehub to the set of new Superteam wheels I have
sitting here. This would leave me needing a 12 speed chain and
cassette. The DeRosa is an aluminum main triangle and carbon fiber
ends and is lighter than the BMC SLC01.
As for the Dura Ace 10 speed parts. They are very useful since unlike >>>>> the 10 speed Campy components you could get long arm derailleurs for >>>>> them and shift large road gears like my 11-36's. So I could get a
pretty penny for them and one set of levers alone will pay for the
full Campy 12 speed lever rebuild assembly from Canada before import >>>>> taxes come into effect.
Looking at this stack of freehubs I have here I think that I aleady
have a Campy 12 speed if it fits on the Superteam wheels.
While the Dura Ace 9000 brakes are very nice brakes it was shocking
how much better the Campy brakes were, Not that they stopped any
better but were so much more keenly controlable with the braking
occuring over a parger span of the brake lever.
I guess I simply didn't notice these refinements when I was using them every day.
In any case I should say that the LTWoo (R9) 11 speed levers shift
like a Campy lever but use all Shimano parts since they have the same pull ratios.
And since I was using the Giro shoes I didn't have particularly sore >>>>> feet when I removed them. I'm hoping that Sidi Genius shoes work as
well but the Sidi Carbon shoes are a little tight on the the lateral plantar nerve.
The Campy 12 speed has a limit of 34 tooth on the cassette but I don't >>>>> seem to be gaining anything with the Shimano 36 tooth. I am going so >>>>> slow that control becomes a problem and not strength.
"As for the Dura Ace 10 speed parts. They are very useful
since unlike the 10 speed Campy components you could get
long arm derailleurs for them "
Keywords for search: Record 10sp triple RD or Campagnolo
Racing T 10sp RD.
http://www.yellowjersey.org/SGSANTAN.JPG
By the way, regarding "pissed off at Campy because they do
not make spare parts as they should ", where do you buy
your Dura Ace gear wire capstan for the STi levers? If I
recall that was the Campagnolo part you broke.
Triples were terrible devices. OK for touring bikes but absolute trash
for racing. They were usually a 52/48/30 though a lot of people replaced >>> the 48 with a 45 or even a 42 on the later 130 mm triples. They were
forever misshifting in a racing setting and that was the end of your
race at that point. Plus I was a lugger so there was no reason for me to have a 30 tooth.
Campy 10 speed doubles would only shift a 28 though if you used a
Daytona rear derailleur you could shift a 30 tooth cog.
The long cage models are called 'triple' by Campagnolo
because they do not produce an 'offroad' series. The long
cage model is what you want.
https://bicyclecampagnolorecord.com/2023/02/campagnolo-record-long-cage-rear-derailleur-10-speed-triple-vintage-bike/
I believe was a MTB groupset if briefly and they do now a gravel groupset which is one the few highs apparently.
Speculation they will go under at some stage or bought up.
Roger Merriman
On 1/21/2025 4:32 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 1/20/2025 6:56 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon Jan 20 18:41:29 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 1/20/2025 6:17 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I took my BMC with an 12 speed Campy Record group out on Sunday and >>>>>> contrary to the opinion I had about the extra gears not being helpful, >>>>>> I, in fact, discovered that the extra gears went right inbetween the >>>>>> normal gears I had been using for climbing.
Now this might have been because I was pissed off at Campy because >>>>>> they do not make spare parts as they should but what I did was to swap >>>>>> out my Campy groups for 10 speed Dura Ace.
I bought a full rebuild assembly for my disabled 12 speed levers and >>>>>> will fit these on my DeRosa Merak. I must have an extra set of Campy >>>>>> wheels somewhere but if I don't, $400 will buy a set of new Khamsin >>>>>> wheels from Amazon and my wife has an active Prime account. Ot I can >>>>>> fit a 12 speed freehub to the set of new Superteam wheels I have
sitting here. This would leave me needing a 12 speed chain and
cassette. The DeRosa is an aluminum main triangle and carbon fiber >>>>>> ends and is lighter than the BMC SLC01.
As for the Dura Ace 10 speed parts. They are very useful since unlike >>>>>> the 10 speed Campy components you could get long arm derailleurs for >>>>>> them and shift large road gears like my 11-36's. So I could get a
pretty penny for them and one set of levers alone will pay for the >>>>>> full Campy 12 speed lever rebuild assembly from Canada before import >>>>>> taxes come into effect.
Looking at this stack of freehubs I have here I think that I aleady >>>>>> have a Campy 12 speed if it fits on the Superteam wheels.
While the Dura Ace 9000 brakes are very nice brakes it was shocking >>>>>> how much better the Campy brakes were, Not that they stopped any
better but were so much more keenly controlable with the braking
occuring over a parger span of the brake lever.
I guess I simply didn't notice these refinements when I was using them every day.
In any case I should say that the LTWoo (R9) 11 speed levers shift >>>>>> like a Campy lever but use all Shimano parts since they have the same pull ratios.
And since I was using the Giro shoes I didn't have particularly sore >>>>>> feet when I removed them. I'm hoping that Sidi Genius shoes work as >>>>>> well but the Sidi Carbon shoes are a little tight on the the lateral plantar nerve.
The Campy 12 speed has a limit of 34 tooth on the cassette but I don't >>>>>> seem to be gaining anything with the Shimano 36 tooth. I am going so >>>>>> slow that control becomes a problem and not strength.
"As for the Dura Ace 10 speed parts. They are very useful
since unlike the 10 speed Campy components you could get
long arm derailleurs for them "
Keywords for search: Record 10sp triple RD or Campagnolo
Racing T 10sp RD.
http://www.yellowjersey.org/SGSANTAN.JPG
By the way, regarding "pissed off at Campy because they do
not make spare parts as they should ", where do you buy
your Dura Ace gear wire capstan for the STi levers? If I
recall that was the Campagnolo part you broke.
Triples were terrible devices. OK for touring bikes but absolute trash >>>> for racing. They were usually a 52/48/30 though a lot of people replaced >>>> the 48 with a 45 or even a 42 on the later 130 mm triples. They were
forever misshifting in a racing setting and that was the end of your
race at that point. Plus I was a lugger so there was no reason for me
to have a 30 tooth.
Campy 10 speed doubles would only shift a 28 though if you used a
Daytona rear derailleur you could shift a 30 tooth cog.
The long cage models are called 'triple' by Campagnolo
because they do not produce an 'offroad' series. The long
cage model is what you want.
https://bicyclecampagnolorecord.com/2023/02/campagnolo-record-long-cage-rear-derailleur-10-speed-triple-vintage-bike/
I believe was a MTB groupset if briefly and they do now a gravel groupset
which is one the few highs apparently.
Speculation they will go under at some stage or bought up.
Roger Merriman
Not for ten speed systems. Short medium, long rear changers
and the long ones are marked 'triple' on the package. There
were no offroad 10 offered by Campagnolo.
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 1/21/2025 4:32 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:Sorry yes, I ment way back in time and Ekar which I think is 13 speed?
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 1/20/2025 6:56 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon Jan 20 18:41:29 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 1/20/2025 6:17 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I took my BMC with an 12 speed Campy Record group out on Sunday and >>>>>>> contrary to the opinion I had about the extra gears not being helpful, >>>>>>> I, in fact, discovered that the extra gears went right inbetween the >>>>>>> normal gears I had been using for climbing.
Now this might have been because I was pissed off at Campy because >>>>>>> they do not make spare parts as they should but what I did was to swap >>>>>>> out my Campy groups for 10 speed Dura Ace.
I bought a full rebuild assembly for my disabled 12 speed levers and >>>>>>> will fit these on my DeRosa Merak. I must have an extra set of Campy >>>>>>> wheels somewhere but if I don't, $400 will buy a set of new Khamsin >>>>>>> wheels from Amazon and my wife has an active Prime account. Ot I can >>>>>>> fit a 12 speed freehub to the set of new Superteam wheels I have >>>>>>> sitting here. This would leave me needing a 12 speed chain and
cassette. The DeRosa is an aluminum main triangle and carbon fiber >>>>>>> ends and is lighter than the BMC SLC01.
As for the Dura Ace 10 speed parts. They are very useful since unlike >>>>>>> the 10 speed Campy components you could get long arm derailleurs for >>>>>>> them and shift large road gears like my 11-36's. So I could get a >>>>>>> pretty penny for them and one set of levers alone will pay for the >>>>>>> full Campy 12 speed lever rebuild assembly from Canada before import >>>>>>> taxes come into effect.
Looking at this stack of freehubs I have here I think that I aleady >>>>>>> have a Campy 12 speed if it fits on the Superteam wheels.
While the Dura Ace 9000 brakes are very nice brakes it was shocking >>>>>>> how much better the Campy brakes were, Not that they stopped any >>>>>>> better but were so much more keenly controlable with the braking >>>>>>> occuring over a parger span of the brake lever.
I guess I simply didn't notice these refinements when I was using them every day.
In any case I should say that the LTWoo (R9) 11 speed levers shift >>>>>>> like a Campy lever but use all Shimano parts since they have the same pull ratios.
And since I was using the Giro shoes I didn't have particularly sore >>>>>>> feet when I removed them. I'm hoping that Sidi Genius shoes work as >>>>>>> well but the Sidi Carbon shoes are a little tight on the the lateral plantar nerve.
The Campy 12 speed has a limit of 34 tooth on the cassette but I don't >>>>>>> seem to be gaining anything with the Shimano 36 tooth. I am going so >>>>>>> slow that control becomes a problem and not strength.
"As for the Dura Ace 10 speed parts. They are very useful
since unlike the 10 speed Campy components you could get
long arm derailleurs for them "
Keywords for search: Record 10sp triple RD or Campagnolo
Racing T 10sp RD.
http://www.yellowjersey.org/SGSANTAN.JPG
By the way, regarding "pissed off at Campy because they do
not make spare parts as they should ", where do you buy
your Dura Ace gear wire capstan for the STi levers? If I
recall that was the Campagnolo part you broke.
Triples were terrible devices. OK for touring bikes but absolute trash >>>>> for racing. They were usually a 52/48/30 though a lot of people replaced >>>>> the 48 with a 45 or even a 42 on the later 130 mm triples. They were >>>>> forever misshifting in a racing setting and that was the end of your >>>>> race at that point. Plus I was a lugger so there was no reason for me >>>>> to have a 30 tooth.
Campy 10 speed doubles would only shift a 28 though if you used a
Daytona rear derailleur you could shift a 30 tooth cog.
The long cage models are called 'triple' by Campagnolo
because they do not produce an 'offroad' series. The long
cage model is what you want.
https://bicyclecampagnolorecord.com/2023/02/campagnolo-record-long-cage-rear-derailleur-10-speed-triple-vintage-bike/
I believe was a MTB groupset if briefly and they do now a gravel groupset >>> which is one the few highs apparently.
Speculation they will go under at some stage or bought up.
Roger Merriman
Not for ten speed systems. Short medium, long rear changers
and the long ones are marked 'triple' on the package. There
were no offroad 10 offered by Campagnolo.
Rather than 10 speed stuff which 3 out of the 4 bikes I own are.
Roger Merriman
On 1/20/2025 6:56 PM, cyclintom wrote:setting and that was the end of your race at that point. Plus I was a lugger so there was no reason for me to have a 30 tooth.
Triples were terrible devices. OK for touring bikes but absolute trash for racing. They were usually a 52/48/30 though a lot of people replaced the 48 with a 45 or even a 42 on the later 130 mm triples. They were forever misshifting in a racing
Campy 10 speed doubles would only shift a 28 though if you used a Daytona rear derailleur you could shift a 30 tooth cog.
The long cage models are called 'triple' by Campagnolo
because they do not produce an 'offroad' series. The long
cage model is what you want.
https://bicyclecampagnolorecord.com/2023/02/campagnolo-record-long-cage-rear-derailleur-10-speed-triple-vintage-bike/
On Mon Jan 20 19:00:47 2025 AMuzi wrote:setting and that was the end of your race at that point. Plus I was a lugger so there was no reason for me to have a 30 tooth.
On 1/20/2025 6:56 PM, cyclintom wrote:
Triples were terrible devices. OK for touring bikes but absolute trash for racing. They were usually a 52/48/30 though a lot of people replaced the 48 with a 45 or even a 42 on the later 130 mm triples. They were forever misshifting in a racing
Campy 10 speed doubles would only shift a 28 though if you used a Daytona rear derailleur you could shift a 30 tooth cog.
The long cage models are called 'triple' by Campagnolo
because they do not produce an 'offroad' series. The long
cage model is what you want.
https://bicyclecampagnolorecord.com/2023/02/campagnolo-record-long-cage-rear-derailleur-10-speed-triple-vintage-bike/
Those long arm Record rear derailleurs were really hard to come by. I think I got one off of Ebay because Robinson's tried to order a new one and it was not in stock and they were talking about months to get it. I finally got it and it's around heresomewhere since I didn't throw anything out.
What broke was called a "reel". I tried the end of the shift cables into it and they fit fine but the one that jammed was out of round and more oval shaped. Or I suppose that is why it jammed since out of a package of 10 I found three like that. Itpulled in from the spring tension of the rear derailleur and then split the reel. While the 11 speed reel is metal, the 12 speed is a plastic casting. The metal reel and the plastic one couldn't have any weight advantage since they are both less than a
I seem to remember we had an argument about that and you insisted that I should be using Campy shift cables. I ordered a package of them and maybe they were counterfeits since they didn't have the "c" stamped into them but were part of the casting andstuck out from the side of the ends But the Chinese versions were fine as long as you didn't use one of them that was oblong rather than round.
On 1/21/2025 9:26 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 1/21/2025 4:32 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:Sorry yes, I ment way back in time and Ekar which I think is 13 speed?
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 1/20/2025 6:56 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon Jan 20 18:41:29 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 1/20/2025 6:17 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I took my BMC with an 12 speed Campy Record group out on Sunday and >>>>>>> contrary to the opinion I had about the extra gears not being helpful,
I, in fact, discovered that the extra gears went right inbetween the >>>>>>> normal gears I had been using for climbing.
Now this might have been because I was pissed off at Campy because >>>>>>> they do not make spare parts as they should but what I did was to swap
out my Campy groups for 10 speed Dura Ace.
I bought a full rebuild assembly for my disabled 12 speed levers and >>>>>>> will fit these on my DeRosa Merak. I must have an extra set of Campy >>>>>>> wheels somewhere but if I don't, $400 will buy a set of new Khamsin >>>>>>> wheels from Amazon and my wife has an active Prime account. Ot I can >>>>>>> fit a 12 speed freehub to the set of new Superteam wheels I have >>>>>>> sitting here. This would leave me needing a 12 speed chain and >>>>>>> cassette. The DeRosa is an aluminum main triangle and carbon fiber >>>>>>> ends and is lighter than the BMC SLC01.
As for the Dura Ace 10 speed parts. They are very useful since unlike >>>>>>> the 10 speed Campy components you could get long arm derailleurs for >>>>>>> them and shift large road gears like my 11-36's. So I could get a >>>>>>> pretty penny for them and one set of levers alone will pay for the >>>>>>> full Campy 12 speed lever rebuild assembly from Canada before import >>>>>>> taxes come into effect.
Looking at this stack of freehubs I have here I think that I aleady >>>>>>> have a Campy 12 speed if it fits on the Superteam wheels.
While the Dura Ace 9000 brakes are very nice brakes it was shocking >>>>>>> how much better the Campy brakes were, Not that they stopped any >>>>>>> better but were so much more keenly controlable with the braking >>>>>>> occuring over a parger span of the brake lever.
I guess I simply didn't notice these refinements when I was using them every day.
In any case I should say that the LTWoo (R9) 11 speed levers shift >>>>>>> like a Campy lever but use all Shimano parts since they have the same pull ratios.
And since I was using the Giro shoes I didn't have particularly sore >>>>>>> feet when I removed them. I'm hoping that Sidi Genius shoes work as >>>>>>> well but the Sidi Carbon shoes are a little tight on the the lateral plantar nerve.
The Campy 12 speed has a limit of 34 tooth on the cassette but I don't
seem to be gaining anything with the Shimano 36 tooth. I am going so >>>>>>> slow that control becomes a problem and not strength.
"As for the Dura Ace 10 speed parts. They are very useful
since unlike the 10 speed Campy components you could get
long arm derailleurs for them "
Keywords for search: Record 10sp triple RD or Campagnolo
Racing T 10sp RD.
http://www.yellowjersey.org/SGSANTAN.JPG
By the way, regarding "pissed off at Campy because they do
not make spare parts as they should ", where do you buy
your Dura Ace gear wire capstan for the STi levers? If I
recall that was the Campagnolo part you broke.
Triples were terrible devices. OK for touring bikes but absolute trash >>>>> for racing. They were usually a 52/48/30 though a lot of people replaced
the 48 with a 45 or even a 42 on the later 130 mm triples. They were >>>>> forever misshifting in a racing setting and that was the end of your >>>>> race at that point. Plus I was a lugger so there was no reason for me >>>>> to have a 30 tooth.
Campy 10 speed doubles would only shift a 28 though if you used a
Daytona rear derailleur you could shift a 30 tooth cog.
The long cage models are called 'triple' by Campagnolo
because they do not produce an 'offroad' series. The long
cage model is what you want.
https://bicyclecampagnolorecord.com/2023/02/campagnolo-record-long-cage-rear-derailleur-10-speed-triple-vintage-bike/
I believe was a MTB groupset if briefly and they do now a gravel groupset >>> which is one the few highs apparently.
Speculation they will go under at some stage or bought up.
Roger Merriman
Not for ten speed systems. Short medium, long rear changers
and the long ones are marked 'triple' on the package. There
were no offroad 10 offered by Campagnolo.
Rather than 10 speed stuff which 3 out of the 4 bikes I own are.
Roger Merriman
Right. Mr Kunich specifically complained about rear changer
capacity on Campagnolo Ten. He merely owns the wrong model
changer for the gearing he prefers.
On Tue Jan 21 09:50:04 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 1/21/2025 9:26 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 1/21/2025 4:32 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:Sorry yes, I ment way back in time and Ekar which I think is 13 speed?
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 1/20/2025 6:56 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon Jan 20 18:41:29 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 1/20/2025 6:17 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I took my BMC with an 12 speed Campy Record group out on Sunday and >>>>>>>>> contrary to the opinion I had about the extra gears not being helpful,
I, in fact, discovered that the extra gears went right inbetween the >>>>>>>>> normal gears I had been using for climbing.
Now this might have been because I was pissed off at Campy because >>>>>>>>> they do not make spare parts as they should but what I did was to swap
out my Campy groups for 10 speed Dura Ace.
I bought a full rebuild assembly for my disabled 12 speed levers and >>>>>>>>> will fit these on my DeRosa Merak. I must have an extra set of Campy >>>>>>>>> wheels somewhere but if I don't, $400 will buy a set of new Khamsin >>>>>>>>> wheels from Amazon and my wife has an active Prime account. Ot I can >>>>>>>>> fit a 12 speed freehub to the set of new Superteam wheels I have >>>>>>>>> sitting here. This would leave me needing a 12 speed chain and >>>>>>>>> cassette. The DeRosa is an aluminum main triangle and carbon fiber >>>>>>>>> ends and is lighter than the BMC SLC01.
As for the Dura Ace 10 speed parts. They are very useful since unlike >>>>>>>>> the 10 speed Campy components you could get long arm derailleurs for >>>>>>>>> them and shift large road gears like my 11-36's. So I could get a >>>>>>>>> pretty penny for them and one set of levers alone will pay for the >>>>>>>>> full Campy 12 speed lever rebuild assembly from Canada before import >>>>>>>>> taxes come into effect.
Looking at this stack of freehubs I have here I think that I aleady >>>>>>>>> have a Campy 12 speed if it fits on the Superteam wheels.
While the Dura Ace 9000 brakes are very nice brakes it was shocking >>>>>>>>> how much better the Campy brakes were, Not that they stopped any >>>>>>>>> better but were so much more keenly controlable with the braking >>>>>>>>> occuring over a parger span of the brake lever.
I guess I simply didn't notice these refinements when I was using them every day.
In any case I should say that the LTWoo (R9) 11 speed levers shift >>>>>>>>> like a Campy lever but use all Shimano parts since they have the same pull ratios.
And since I was using the Giro shoes I didn't have particularly sore >>>>>>>>> feet when I removed them. I'm hoping that Sidi Genius shoes work as >>>>>>>>> well but the Sidi Carbon shoes are a little tight on the the lateral plantar nerve.
The Campy 12 speed has a limit of 34 tooth on the cassette but I don't
seem to be gaining anything with the Shimano 36 tooth. I am going so >>>>>>>>> slow that control becomes a problem and not strength.
"As for the Dura Ace 10 speed parts. They are very useful
since unlike the 10 speed Campy components you could get
long arm derailleurs for them "
Keywords for search: Record 10sp triple RD or Campagnolo
Racing T 10sp RD.
http://www.yellowjersey.org/SGSANTAN.JPG
By the way, regarding "pissed off at Campy because they do
not make spare parts as they should ", where do you buy
your Dura Ace gear wire capstan for the STi levers? If I
recall that was the Campagnolo part you broke.
Triples were terrible devices. OK for touring bikes but absolute trash >>>>>>> for racing. They were usually a 52/48/30 though a lot of people replaced
the 48 with a 45 or even a 42 on the later 130 mm triples. They were >>>>>>> forever misshifting in a racing setting and that was the end of your >>>>>>> race at that point. Plus I was a lugger so there was no reason for me >>>>>>> to have a 30 tooth.
Campy 10 speed doubles would only shift a 28 though if you used a >>>>>>> Daytona rear derailleur you could shift a 30 tooth cog.
The long cage models are called 'triple' by Campagnolo
because they do not produce an 'offroad' series. The long
cage model is what you want.
https://bicyclecampagnolorecord.com/2023/02/campagnolo-record-long-cage-rear-derailleur-10-speed-triple-vintage-bike/
I believe was a MTB groupset if briefly and they do now a gravel groupset >>>>> which is one the few highs apparently.
Speculation they will go under at some stage or bought up.
Roger Merriman
Not for ten speed systems. Short medium, long rear changers
and the long ones are marked 'triple' on the package. There
were no offroad 10 offered by Campagnolo.
Rather than 10 speed stuff which 3 out of the 4 bikes I own are.
Roger Merriman
Right. Mr Kunich specifically complained about rear changer
capacity on Campagnolo Ten. He merely owns the wrong model
changer for the gearing he prefers.
I don't believe so Andrew. My memory of the 10 speeds was that the top arm is what limited the Campy 10 speed to a 28. The long lower arm allowed more chain take up. The 12 speed has a longer top arm so that it can fit a 34.
On 1/21/2025 2:20 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Tue Jan 21 09:50:04 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 1/21/2025 9:26 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 1/21/2025 4:32 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:Sorry yes, I ment way back in time and Ekar which I think is 13 speed? >>>
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 1/20/2025 6:56 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon Jan 20 18:41:29 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 1/20/2025 6:17 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I took my BMC with an 12 speed Campy Record group out on Sunday and >>>>>>>>> contrary to the opinion I had about the extra gears not being helpful,
I, in fact, discovered that the extra gears went right inbetween the
normal gears I had been using for climbing.
Now this might have been because I was pissed off at Campy because >>>>>>>>> they do not make spare parts as they should but what I did was to swap
out my Campy groups for 10 speed Dura Ace.
I bought a full rebuild assembly for my disabled 12 speed levers and
will fit these on my DeRosa Merak. I must have an extra set of Campy
wheels somewhere but if I don't, $400 will buy a set of new Khamsin >>>>>>>>> wheels from Amazon and my wife has an active Prime account. Ot I can
fit a 12 speed freehub to the set of new Superteam wheels I have >>>>>>>>> sitting here. This would leave me needing a 12 speed chain and >>>>>>>>> cassette. The DeRosa is an aluminum main triangle and carbon fiber >>>>>>>>> ends and is lighter than the BMC SLC01.
As for the Dura Ace 10 speed parts. They are very useful since unlike
the 10 speed Campy components you could get long arm derailleurs for
them and shift large road gears like my 11-36's. So I could get a >>>>>>>>> pretty penny for them and one set of levers alone will pay for the >>>>>>>>> full Campy 12 speed lever rebuild assembly from Canada before import
taxes come into effect.
Looking at this stack of freehubs I have here I think that I aleady >>>>>>>>> have a Campy 12 speed if it fits on the Superteam wheels.
While the Dura Ace 9000 brakes are very nice brakes it was shocking >>>>>>>>> how much better the Campy brakes were, Not that they stopped any >>>>>>>>> better but were so much more keenly controlable with the braking >>>>>>>>> occuring over a parger span of the brake lever.
I guess I simply didn't notice these refinements when I was using them every day.
In any case I should say that the LTWoo (R9) 11 speed levers shift >>>>>>>>> like a Campy lever but use all Shimano parts since they have the same pull ratios.
And since I was using the Giro shoes I didn't have particularly sore
feet when I removed them. I'm hoping that Sidi Genius shoes work as >>>>>>>>> well but the Sidi Carbon shoes are a little tight on the the lateral plantar nerve.
The Campy 12 speed has a limit of 34 tooth on the cassette but I don't
seem to be gaining anything with the Shimano 36 tooth. I am going so
slow that control becomes a problem and not strength.
"As for the Dura Ace 10 speed parts. They are very useful
since unlike the 10 speed Campy components you could get
long arm derailleurs for them "
Keywords for search: Record 10sp triple RD or Campagnolo
Racing T 10sp RD.
http://www.yellowjersey.org/SGSANTAN.JPG
By the way, regarding "pissed off at Campy because they do
not make spare parts as they should ", where do you buy
your Dura Ace gear wire capstan for the STi levers? If I
recall that was the Campagnolo part you broke.
Triples were terrible devices. OK for touring bikes but absolute trash
for racing. They were usually a 52/48/30 though a lot of people replaced
the 48 with a 45 or even a 42 on the later 130 mm triples. They were >>>>>>> forever misshifting in a racing setting and that was the end of your >>>>>>> race at that point. Plus I was a lugger so there was no reason for me >>>>>>> to have a 30 tooth.
Campy 10 speed doubles would only shift a 28 though if you used a >>>>>>> Daytona rear derailleur you could shift a 30 tooth cog.
The long cage models are called 'triple' by Campagnolo
because they do not produce an 'offroad' series. The long
cage model is what you want.
https://bicyclecampagnolorecord.com/2023/02/campagnolo-record-long-cage-rear-derailleur-10-speed-triple-vintage-bike/
I believe was a MTB groupset if briefly and they do now a gravel groupset
which is one the few highs apparently.
Speculation they will go under at some stage or bought up.
Roger Merriman
Not for ten speed systems. Short medium, long rear changers
and the long ones are marked 'triple' on the package. There
were no offroad 10 offered by Campagnolo.
Rather than 10 speed stuff which 3 out of the 4 bikes I own are.
Roger Merriman
Right. Mr Kunich specifically complained about rear changer
capacity on Campagnolo Ten. He merely owns the wrong model
changer for the gearing he prefers.
I don't believe so Andrew. My memory of the 10 speeds was that the top arm is what limited the Campy 10 speed to a 28. The long lower arm allowed more chain take up. The 12 speed has a longer top arm so that it can fit a 34.
The IRD cassettes for Campagnolo pattern Ten (low gear 30,
32 or 34) sold very very well when 10 was 'the latest
thing'. I have personally set up a dozen and my employees
did many more. For a 34, you need the long cage model.
On Tue Jan 21 14:36:47 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 1/21/2025 2:20 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Tue Jan 21 09:50:04 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 1/21/2025 9:26 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 1/21/2025 4:32 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:Sorry yes, I ment way back in time and Ekar which I think is 13 speed? >>>>>
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 1/20/2025 6:56 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon Jan 20 18:41:29 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 1/20/2025 6:17 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I took my BMC with an 12 speed Campy Record group out on Sunday and >>>>>>>>>>> contrary to the opinion I had about the extra gears not being helpful,
I, in fact, discovered that the extra gears went right inbetween the
normal gears I had been using for climbing.
Now this might have been because I was pissed off at Campy because >>>>>>>>>>> they do not make spare parts as they should but what I did was to swap
out my Campy groups for 10 speed Dura Ace.
I bought a full rebuild assembly for my disabled 12 speed levers and
will fit these on my DeRosa Merak. I must have an extra set of Campy
wheels somewhere but if I don't, $400 will buy a set of new Khamsin >>>>>>>>>>> wheels from Amazon and my wife has an active Prime account. Ot I can
fit a 12 speed freehub to the set of new Superteam wheels I have >>>>>>>>>>> sitting here. This would leave me needing a 12 speed chain and >>>>>>>>>>> cassette. The DeRosa is an aluminum main triangle and carbon fiber >>>>>>>>>>> ends and is lighter than the BMC SLC01.
As for the Dura Ace 10 speed parts. They are very useful since unlike
the 10 speed Campy components you could get long arm derailleurs for
them and shift large road gears like my 11-36's. So I could get a >>>>>>>>>>> pretty penny for them and one set of levers alone will pay for the >>>>>>>>>>> full Campy 12 speed lever rebuild assembly from Canada before import
taxes come into effect.
Looking at this stack of freehubs I have here I think that I aleady >>>>>>>>>>> have a Campy 12 speed if it fits on the Superteam wheels. >>>>>>>>>>>
While the Dura Ace 9000 brakes are very nice brakes it was shocking >>>>>>>>>>> how much better the Campy brakes were, Not that they stopped any >>>>>>>>>>> better but were so much more keenly controlable with the braking >>>>>>>>>>> occuring over a parger span of the brake lever.
I guess I simply didn't notice these refinements when I was using them every day.
In any case I should say that the LTWoo (R9) 11 speed levers shift >>>>>>>>>>> like a Campy lever but use all Shimano parts since they have the same pull ratios.
And since I was using the Giro shoes I didn't have particularly sore
feet when I removed them. I'm hoping that Sidi Genius shoes work as >>>>>>>>>>> well but the Sidi Carbon shoes are a little tight on the the lateral plantar nerve.
The Campy 12 speed has a limit of 34 tooth on the cassette but I don't
seem to be gaining anything with the Shimano 36 tooth. I am going so
slow that control becomes a problem and not strength.
"As for the Dura Ace 10 speed parts. They are very useful
since unlike the 10 speed Campy components you could get
long arm derailleurs for them "
Keywords for search: Record 10sp triple RD or Campagnolo
Racing T 10sp RD.
http://www.yellowjersey.org/SGSANTAN.JPG
By the way, regarding "pissed off at Campy because they do >>>>>>>>>> not make spare parts as they should ", where do you buy
your Dura Ace gear wire capstan for the STi levers? If I
recall that was the Campagnolo part you broke.
Triples were terrible devices. OK for touring bikes but absolute trash
for racing. They were usually a 52/48/30 though a lot of people replaced
the 48 with a 45 or even a 42 on the later 130 mm triples. They were >>>>>>>>> forever misshifting in a racing setting and that was the end of your >>>>>>>>> race at that point. Plus I was a lugger so there was no reason for me >>>>>>>>> to have a 30 tooth.
Campy 10 speed doubles would only shift a 28 though if you used a >>>>>>>>> Daytona rear derailleur you could shift a 30 tooth cog.
The long cage models are called 'triple' by Campagnolo
because they do not produce an 'offroad' series. The long
cage model is what you want.
https://bicyclecampagnolorecord.com/2023/02/campagnolo-record-long-cage-rear-derailleur-10-speed-triple-vintage-bike/
I believe was a MTB groupset if briefly and they do now a gravel groupset
which is one the few highs apparently.
Speculation they will go under at some stage or bought up.
Roger Merriman
Not for ten speed systems. Short medium, long rear changers
and the long ones are marked 'triple' on the package. There
were no offroad 10 offered by Campagnolo.
Rather than 10 speed stuff which 3 out of the 4 bikes I own are.
Roger Merriman
Right. Mr Kunich specifically complained about rear changer
capacity on Campagnolo Ten. He merely owns the wrong model
changer for the gearing he prefers.
I don't believe so Andrew. My memory of the 10 speeds was that the top arm is what limited the Campy 10 speed to a 28. The long lower arm allowed more chain take up. The 12 speed has a longer top arm so that it can fit a 34.
The IRD cassettes for Campagnolo pattern Ten (low gear 30,
32 or 34) sold very very well when 10 was 'the latest
thing'. I have personally set up a dozen and my employees
did many more. For a 34, you need the long cage model.
Andrew! At the time I had this complsint you SPECIFICALLY said that the largest cog the Campy 10 would shift was a 28. You're now saying that you knew dufferently? I had medium and long arm rear derailleurs and they would not shift anything larger thana 28, though if you're now saying differently maybe the arm limit screw could have been adjusted out.
On 1/22/2025 9:44 AM, cyclintom wrote:
On Tue Jan 21 14:36:47 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 1/21/2025 2:20 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Tue Jan 21 09:50:04 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 1/21/2025 9:26 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 1/21/2025 4:32 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:Sorry yes, I ment way back in time and Ekar which I think is 13 speed? >>>>>
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 1/20/2025 6:56 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon Jan 20 18:41:29 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 1/20/2025 6:17 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I took my BMC with an 12 speed Campy Record group out on Sunday and
contrary to the opinion I had about the extra gears not being helpful,
I, in fact, discovered that the extra gears went right inbetween the
normal gears I had been using for climbing.
Now this might have been because I was pissed off at Campy because
they do not make spare parts as they should but what I did was to swap
out my Campy groups for 10 speed Dura Ace.
I bought a full rebuild assembly for my disabled 12 speed levers and
will fit these on my DeRosa Merak. I must have an extra set of Campy
wheels somewhere but if I don't, $400 will buy a set of new Khamsin
wheels from Amazon and my wife has an active Prime account. Ot I can
fit a 12 speed freehub to the set of new Superteam wheels I have >>>>>>>>>>> sitting here. This would leave me needing a 12 speed chain and >>>>>>>>>>> cassette. The DeRosa is an aluminum main triangle and carbon fiber
ends and is lighter than the BMC SLC01.
As for the Dura Ace 10 speed parts. They are very useful since unlike
the 10 speed Campy components you could get long arm derailleurs for
them and shift large road gears like my 11-36's. So I could get a >>>>>>>>>>> pretty penny for them and one set of levers alone will pay for the
full Campy 12 speed lever rebuild assembly from Canada before import
taxes come into effect.
Looking at this stack of freehubs I have here I think that I aleady
have a Campy 12 speed if it fits on the Superteam wheels. >>>>>>>>>>>
While the Dura Ace 9000 brakes are very nice brakes it was shocking
how much better the Campy brakes were, Not that they stopped any >>>>>>>>>>> better but were so much more keenly controlable with the braking >>>>>>>>>>> occuring over a parger span of the brake lever.
I guess I simply didn't notice these refinements when I was using them every day.
In any case I should say that the LTWoo (R9) 11 speed levers shift
like a Campy lever but use all Shimano parts since they have the same pull ratios.
And since I was using the Giro shoes I didn't have particularly sore
feet when I removed them. I'm hoping that Sidi Genius shoes work as
well but the Sidi Carbon shoes are a little tight on the the lateral plantar nerve.
The Campy 12 speed has a limit of 34 tooth on the cassette but I don't
seem to be gaining anything with the Shimano 36 tooth. I am going so
slow that control becomes a problem and not strength.
"As for the Dura Ace 10 speed parts. They are very useful >>>>>>>>>> since unlike the 10 speed Campy components you could get >>>>>>>>>> long arm derailleurs for them "
Keywords for search: Record 10sp triple RD or Campagnolo >>>>>>>>>> Racing T 10sp RD.
http://www.yellowjersey.org/SGSANTAN.JPG
By the way, regarding "pissed off at Campy because they do >>>>>>>>>> not make spare parts as they should ", where do you buy >>>>>>>>>> your Dura Ace gear wire capstan for the STi levers? If I >>>>>>>>>> recall that was the Campagnolo part you broke.
Triples were terrible devices. OK for touring bikes but absolute trash
for racing. They were usually a 52/48/30 though a lot of people replaced
the 48 with a 45 or even a 42 on the later 130 mm triples. They were
forever misshifting in a racing setting and that was the end of your
race at that point. Plus I was a lugger so there was no reason for me
to have a 30 tooth.
Campy 10 speed doubles would only shift a 28 though if you used a >>>>>>>>> Daytona rear derailleur you could shift a 30 tooth cog.
The long cage models are called 'triple' by Campagnolo
because they do not produce an 'offroad' series. The long
cage model is what you want.
https://bicyclecampagnolorecord.com/2023/02/campagnolo-record-long-cage-rear-derailleur-10-speed-triple-vintage-bike/
I believe was a MTB groupset if briefly and they do now a gravel groupset
which is one the few highs apparently.
Speculation they will go under at some stage or bought up.
Roger Merriman
Not for ten speed systems. Short medium, long rear changers
and the long ones are marked 'triple' on the package. There
were no offroad 10 offered by Campagnolo.
Rather than 10 speed stuff which 3 out of the 4 bikes I own are.
Roger Merriman
Right. Mr Kunich specifically complained about rear changer
capacity on Campagnolo Ten. He merely owns the wrong model
changer for the gearing he prefers.
I don't believe so Andrew. My memory of the 10 speeds was that the top arm is what limited the Campy 10 speed to a 28. The long lower arm allowed more chain take up. The 12 speed has a longer top arm so that it can fit a 34.
The IRD cassettes for Campagnolo pattern Ten (low gear 30,
32 or 34) sold very very well when 10 was 'the latest
thing'. I have personally set up a dozen and my employees
did many more. For a 34, you need the long cage model.
than a 28, though if you're now saying differently maybe the arm limit screw could have been adjusted out.Andrew! At the time I had this complsint you SPECIFICALLY said that the largest cog the Campy 10 would shift was a 28. You're now saying that you knew dufferently? I had medium and long arm rear derailleurs and they would not shift anything larger
I noted that your _short cage_ Record spans up to 28.
On Wed Jan 22 11:01:20 2025 AMuzi wrote:than a 28, though if you're now saying differently maybe the arm limit screw could have been adjusted out.
On 1/22/2025 9:44 AM, cyclintom wrote:
On Tue Jan 21 14:36:47 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 1/21/2025 2:20 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Tue Jan 21 09:50:04 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 1/21/2025 9:26 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 1/21/2025 4:32 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:Sorry yes, I ment way back in time and Ekar which I think is 13 speed? >>>>>>>
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 1/20/2025 6:56 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon Jan 20 18:41:29 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 1/20/2025 6:17 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I took my BMC with an 12 speed Campy Record group out on Sunday and"As for the Dura Ace 10 speed parts. They are very useful >>>>>>>>>>>> since unlike the 10 speed Campy components you could get >>>>>>>>>>>> long arm derailleurs for them "
contrary to the opinion I had about the extra gears not being helpful,
I, in fact, discovered that the extra gears went right inbetween the
normal gears I had been using for climbing.
Now this might have been because I was pissed off at Campy because
they do not make spare parts as they should but what I did was to swap
out my Campy groups for 10 speed Dura Ace.
I bought a full rebuild assembly for my disabled 12 speed levers and
will fit these on my DeRosa Merak. I must have an extra set of Campy
wheels somewhere but if I don't, $400 will buy a set of new Khamsin
wheels from Amazon and my wife has an active Prime account. Ot I can
fit a 12 speed freehub to the set of new Superteam wheels I have >>>>>>>>>>>>> sitting here. This would leave me needing a 12 speed chain and >>>>>>>>>>>>> cassette. The DeRosa is an aluminum main triangle and carbon fiber
ends and is lighter than the BMC SLC01.
As for the Dura Ace 10 speed parts. They are very useful since unlike
the 10 speed Campy components you could get long arm derailleurs for
them and shift large road gears like my 11-36's. So I could get a >>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty penny for them and one set of levers alone will pay for the
full Campy 12 speed lever rebuild assembly from Canada before import
taxes come into effect.
Looking at this stack of freehubs I have here I think that I aleady
have a Campy 12 speed if it fits on the Superteam wheels. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
While the Dura Ace 9000 brakes are very nice brakes it was shocking
how much better the Campy brakes were, Not that they stopped any >>>>>>>>>>>>> better but were so much more keenly controlable with the braking >>>>>>>>>>>>> occuring over a parger span of the brake lever.
I guess I simply didn't notice these refinements when I was using them every day.
In any case I should say that the LTWoo (R9) 11 speed levers shift
like a Campy lever but use all Shimano parts since they have the same pull ratios.
And since I was using the Giro shoes I didn't have particularly sore
feet when I removed them. I'm hoping that Sidi Genius shoes work as
well but the Sidi Carbon shoes are a little tight on the the lateral plantar nerve.
The Campy 12 speed has a limit of 34 tooth on the cassette but I don't
seem to be gaining anything with the Shimano 36 tooth. I am going so
slow that control becomes a problem and not strength. >>>>>>>>>>>>
Keywords for search: Record 10sp triple RD or Campagnolo >>>>>>>>>>>> Racing T 10sp RD.
http://www.yellowjersey.org/SGSANTAN.JPG
By the way, regarding "pissed off at Campy because they do >>>>>>>>>>>> not make spare parts as they should ", where do you buy >>>>>>>>>>>> your Dura Ace gear wire capstan for the STi levers? If I >>>>>>>>>>>> recall that was the Campagnolo part you broke.
Triples were terrible devices. OK for touring bikes but absolute trash
for racing. They were usually a 52/48/30 though a lot of people replaced
the 48 with a 45 or even a 42 on the later 130 mm triples. They were
forever misshifting in a racing setting and that was the end of your
race at that point. Plus I was a lugger so there was no reason for me
to have a 30 tooth.
Campy 10 speed doubles would only shift a 28 though if you used a >>>>>>>>>>> Daytona rear derailleur you could shift a 30 tooth cog.
The long cage models are called 'triple' by Campagnolo
because they do not produce an 'offroad' series. The long >>>>>>>>>> cage model is what you want.
https://bicyclecampagnolorecord.com/2023/02/campagnolo-record-long-cage-rear-derailleur-10-speed-triple-vintage-bike/
I believe was a MTB groupset if briefly and they do now a gravel groupset
which is one the few highs apparently.
Speculation they will go under at some stage or bought up.
Roger Merriman
Not for ten speed systems. Short medium, long rear changers
and the long ones are marked 'triple' on the package. There
were no offroad 10 offered by Campagnolo.
Rather than 10 speed stuff which 3 out of the 4 bikes I own are. >>>>>>>
Roger Merriman
Right. Mr Kunich specifically complained about rear changer
capacity on Campagnolo Ten. He merely owns the wrong model
changer for the gearing he prefers.
I don't believe so Andrew. My memory of the 10 speeds was that the top arm is what limited the Campy 10 speed to a 28. The long lower arm allowed more chain take up. The 12 speed has a longer top arm so that it can fit a 34.
The IRD cassettes for Campagnolo pattern Ten (low gear 30,
32 or 34) sold very very well when 10 was 'the latest
thing'. I have personally set up a dozen and my employees
did many more. For a 34, you need the long cage model.
Andrew! At the time I had this complsint you SPECIFICALLY said that the largest cog the Campy 10 would shift was a 28. You're now saying that you knew dufferently? I had medium and long arm rear derailleurs and they would not shift anything larger
I noted that your _short cage_ Record spans up to 28.
In any case now I am using 12 speed and it is working as well as I would like. But I do want to make it clear that many of the Campy inner shift cables must be counterfeits since the "C" is cast in and extrudes rather than like the Campy kits where the"C" is stamped into the cable end.
The information that you could use the 12 speed rear derailleur with the 10 speed levers was also good since they have a lot different action.
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