On Sun Jan 26 22:02:38 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:

On 1/26/2025 6:56 PM, cyclintom wrote:

Any race that is more or less in high gear (as most of the spring classics) ...

I think that's a strange notion. High gear up mountain passes?

Well, at least we know you've never been around pro riders.

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On Sat Jan 25 13:57:38 2025 AMuzi wrote:

On 1/25/2025 1:43 PM, cyclintom wrote:

On Fri Jan 24 18:00:57 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:

I'm going to take issue with this claim. The speeds have been showing a
steady increase. "Great" increase is somewhat subjective, and taking
into account the general "square-law effect" with going faster on a
bicycle, a increase of 1MPH from 28 to 29 MPH could indeed be considered >> a "great" increase over going from 25 to 26 MPH.

Granted, this has little to do with integrated shifting, my nit is over
the claim "there was no great increase in average race speeds....since
about 1960"


from wikipedia, the top ten fastest editions of PAris-Roubaix were:

Mathieu van der Poel (NED) 47.80 km/h (29.70 mph) 2024
Mathieu van der Poel (NED) 46.84 km/h (29.11 mph) 2023
Dylan van Baarle (NED) 45.79 km/h (28.45 mph) 2022
Greg Van Avermaet (BEL) 45.20 km/h (28.09 mph) 2017
Peter Post (NED) 45.13 km/h (28.04 mph) 1964
Fabian Cancellara (SUI) 44.19 km/h (27.46 mph) 2013
Rik Van Steenbergen (BEL) 43.99 km/h (27.33 mph) 1948
Mathew Hayman (AUS) 43.91 km/h (27.28 mph) 2016
Peter Sagan (SVK) 43.55 km/h (27.06 mph) 2018
Pino Cerami (BEL) 43.54 km/h (27.05 mph) 1960

Out of the top ten in the 100+ year history of the race, 6 are within
the past ten years. I challenge anyone to argue against a 10% increase
since Sagan in 2018 to VDP in 2024 as anything but a "great" increase.

Milan/San Remo shows a similar trend. From
https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/milano-sanremo/results/fastest-editions
:

Edition Year Avg. speed
115 2024 46.11
114 2023 45.773
113 2022 45.331
97 2006 45.268
112 2021 45.06
100 2009 44.421
98 2007 43.665
110 2019 43.625
104 2013 43.577
102 2011 43.486

It certainly isn't due to drivetrain technology, I'll suggest the trend
towards wider tires has a great deal to do with it, but more so training >> and diet technological advances.

Got that Frank, he takes issue with your comments despite the fact that these courses all change change a little from year to year, the speeds on the hardeat races despite being shorter than in the past are going down and not up.

While I don't agree with your use of flat rides that are all in high gear and things like STI are unlikely to have effect, Flunky's comments at least are rediculous.

The Classics do indeed change course significantly year over
year. Much ink is spilled every year when courses are
announced, with complaints about each from the climbers or
from the TT specialists, depending.

Flunky seems to be correct, in that the monuments seem to be slightly speeding up. But it would take careful analysis to figure out how much of that is course modifications.

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On Mon Feb 3 20:55:56 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:

On 2/3/2025 12:55 PM, cyclintom wrote:

Noone "wins" an argument about opinions. Is that what you think you're doing by arguing that Catrike shouldn't be carrying a gun despite a Constitutional Amendment giving him the right to do so? Your opinion appears to be counter to the Constitution

and you believe that you're winning something? Murder rates tend to be lowest in areas with the most highly rural populations so zsparate people and you don't have violent confrontations. Gun laws make little to no diffrence.

I'm just pointing out that almost all people who carry guns do so
because they are afraid. In nearly all cases, they are afraid of things
that never happen. That's phobia.

And I'm aware I'm violating my resolution to stop responding to, um, a certain type of person. I'll try to do better.

So now it is your opinion that legally carrying a gun approved of by the 2nd Amendment is now a phobia> I would say that you are the one with a phobia. I am a large man who can take care of himself. And I am not afraid that someone is going to shoot me.
Others may have a different opinion and it is ALLOWED by the Constitution.

It is illegal to ahoot someone without legal necessity. It is not illegal to carry a gun to prevenjt it. The Supreme Court has signaolled that it believes any law preventing you from carrying a gun as protection is illegal so if you and your kind
continue making gun laws the Supreme Cour will step in and mend all of those laws.

If you think that you can stop that rather than just shutting up and stop trying to legislate away people's rights you're going to have exactly the opposite effect. You should best concentrate on preventing people who really are a danger from getting a
gun. And instead, Biden was giving pardons or not prosecuting murderers.

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On Tue Feb 4 14:30:25 2025 AMuzi wrote:

On 2/4/2025 2:00 PM, cyclintom wrote:

On Mon Feb 3 20:51:37 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:

Andrew, you've certainly been here long enough to understand the ancient >> Usenet recommendation to trim content except what one's responding to.

I notice that practice has faded. We have posts that roll on for screen
after screen after screen, six or seven responses deep. But trimming is
still a good idea. As always, a person can scroll upward to see what was >> posted. Usenet doesn't forget.

Oh for God's sake stop your BS!

It's a fair criticism. meh.

You are correct and Frank please accept my appologies.

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On Wed Feb 5 21:39:27 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:

On 2/4/2025 2:36 PM, cyclintom wrote:

Both Catrike and John have made the point that you don't need a gun until you need a gun. Stop using your personal experiencees as proof that you're right.

As usual, I used data to prove I'm right. As usual, you didn't understand.

But speaking of personal experiences, do _you_ require packing a gun
before you'll go for a ride? As far as we can tell, only one person here
is that timid. You, Tom, are braver despite your complaints about
security in your own area.

Frank, I am a large impressive person. People, even those who might be bent on violence stay well away from me. In youger days I have hurt people quite violently and I suppose that shows in my demeaner. So no, I don't carry a gun as my father and uncles
never carried guns. And although they were not as improsing as me they were extraordinarily dangerous. As a kid, one of my unclkes was a professional boxer. Another I watch pick up an older style refrigerator full of food. And I was present when my
father knocked three guys onto the floor and they ran away.

So, no, I don't carry a gun. But neither am I worried about those who do. Several of my friends are never without a gun. Cops legally carry guns 24/7 even retired simply by qualifying at the pistol range. EVERYONE in Arizona is armed. The murder rate in
Arizona is not high. My Federal Agent retiree friend even travels with his gun in Italy. Since he arrested Chinese spies there when he was in NCIS he has special dispensation.

You have a fear of guns and I suppose that is normal to those who have no experience with them. But in case you didn't know it - Florida is a dangerous place. If Catrike wants to carry a gun, what does it matter to you?

Those two notable school mass murders would have been stopped

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