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    From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 30 21:33:48 2025
    Something pretty severe happend yesterday. suddenloy my eyes stopped focussing on the same pot. So now I haqve prqctically no balanceae all. I can still driveby closing my left eye but my balance is gone. Sleeping overnight made very little difference
    and I made an appointnebt with my neurologist.

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Thu Jan 30 16:51:50 2025
    On 1/30/2025 3:33 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    Something pretty severe happend yesterday. suddenloy my eyes stopped focussing on the same pot. So now I haqve prqctically no balanceae all. I can still driveby closing my left eye but my balance is gone. Sleeping overnight made very little difference
    and I made an appointnebt with my neurologist.

    Great decision.
    With any luck no one here will kibitz with a medical opinion
    before you see him (Mr Shadow excepted of course).

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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 30 14:45:18 2025
    On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 21:33:48 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    Something pretty severe happend yesterday. suddenloy my eyes stopped focussing on the same pot. So now I haqve prqctically no balanceae all. I can still driveby closing my left eye but my balance is gone. Sleeping overnight made very little difference
    and I made an appointnebt with my neurologist.

    When I phone my cardiologist, gastroenterologist, urologist, or ophthalmologist, the first thing I hear on the phone is a recording
    with "if this is an emergency please hang up and call 911". I have
    yet to call any doctors office that fails to provide that warning. <https://www.google.com/search?q=if%20this%20is%20an%20emergency%20please%20hang%20up%20and%20call%20911>

    Total loss of balance is an emergency, or will soon be an emergency,
    if you try to drive or ride without being able to balance yourself. If
    you elect to wait the days/week/months before an appointment with your neurologist can be arranged. If your neurologist is available, the ER (emergency room) will call his or her office with the medical details.
    You might consider going to an "urgent care" or "walk in" clinic and
    have them call your neurologist for permission to have an ER doctor
    look at your medical records.

    This might help, if you can read it:

    "Should you go to the emergency room (ER), urgent care or doctor’s
    office?" <https://health.ucdavis.edu/blog/cultivating-health/should-you-go-to-the-emergency-room-urgent-care-or-doctors-office/2023/07>
    "When to go to the emergency room (ER)"
    Among the symptoms listed are:
    "Vision problems, such as double vision or loss of vision"
    "Severe dizziness"
    "Head injuries, loss of consciousness, fainting, confusion, or
    seizures"


    --
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    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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  • From Shadow@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Thu Jan 30 20:28:57 2025
    On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 16:51:50 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 1/30/2025 3:33 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    Something pretty severe happend yesterday. suddenloy my eyes stopped focussing on the same pot. So now I haqve prqctically no balanceae all. I can still driveby closing my left eye but my balance is gone. Sleeping overnight made very little difference
    and I made an appointnebt with my neurologist.

    Great decision.
    With any luck no one here will kibitz with a medical opinion
    before you see him (Mr Shadow excepted of course).

    Go to an ER. They'll do routine exams (maybe a CT scan, maybe
    an MRI) to try to determine the cause. And depending on the results -
    or lack of - they'll call the neurologist.
    []'s
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  • From Roger Merriman@21:1/5 to Shadow on Fri Jan 31 00:11:50 2025
    Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 16:51:50 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 1/30/2025 3:33 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    Something pretty severe happend yesterday. suddenloy my eyes stopped
    focussing on the same pot. So now I haqve prqctically no balanceae all.
    I can still driveby closing my left eye but my balance is gone.
    Sleeping overnight made very little difference and I made an
    appointnebt with my neurologist.

    Great decision.
    With any luck no one here will kibitz with a medical opinion
    before you see him (Mr Shadow excepted of course).

    Go to an ER. They'll do routine exams (maybe a CT scan, maybe
    an MRI) to try to determine the cause. And depending on the results -
    or lack of - they'll call the neurologist.
    []'s
    Indeed get stuff sorted I’d be surprised if the Neurologist didn’t suggest that?

    Roger Merriman

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 5 16:03:39 2025
    On Thu Jan 30 14:45:18 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    When I phone my cardiologist, gastroenterologist, urologist, or ophthalmologist, the first thing I hear on the phone is a recording
    with "if this is an emergency please hang up and call 911". I have
    yet to call any doctors office that fails to provide that warning. <https://www.google.com/search?q=if%20this%20is%20an%20emergency%20please%20hang%20up%20and%20call%20911>

    Total loss of balance is an emergency, or will soon be an emergency,
    if you try to drive or ride without being able to balance yourself. If
    you elect to wait the days/week/months before an appointment with your neurologist can be arranged. If your neurologist is available, the ER (emergency room) will call his or her office with the medical details.
    You might consider going to an "urgent care" or "walk in" clinic and
    have them call your neurologist for permission to have an ER doctor
    look at your medical records.

    This might help, if you can read it:

    "Should you go to the emergency room (ER), urgent care or doctor?s
    office?" <https://health.ucdavis.edu/blog/cultivating-health/should-you-go-to-the-emergency-room-urgent-care-or-doctors-office/2023/07>
    "When to go to the emergency room (ER)"
    Among the symptoms listed are:
    "Vision problems, such as double vision or loss of vision"
    "Severe dizziness"
    "Head injuries, loss of consciousness, fainting, confusion, or
    seizures"




    How long have I been saying that I have no balance and how long has Liebermann been oretebdubg that he cannot read?

    The change was that my left eye was not tracking the right which made balancing even more difficult since I have to orient myself by looking at my surroundings, With eyesight problems this became difficuolt.

    At the moment, if I start falling I cannot catch myself and reorient myself fast enough to keep from fqalling. I'm taking the bike out to see how much of a problem this is.

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  • From Roger Merriman@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Wed Feb 5 17:36:31 2025
    cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Thu Jan 30 14:45:18 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    When I phone my cardiologist, gastroenterologist, urologist, or
    ophthalmologist, the first thing I hear on the phone is a recording
    with "if this is an emergency please hang up and call 911". I have
    yet to call any doctors office that fails to provide that warning.
    <https://www.google.com/search?q=if%20this%20is%20an%20emergency%20please%20hang%20up%20and%20call%20911>

    Total loss of balance is an emergency, or will soon be an emergency,
    if you try to drive or ride without being able to balance yourself. If
    you elect to wait the days/week/months before an appointment with your
    neurologist can be arranged. If your neurologist is available, the ER
    (emergency room) will call his or her office with the medical details.
    You might consider going to an "urgent care" or "walk in" clinic and
    have them call your neurologist for permission to have an ER doctor
    look at your medical records.

    This might help, if you can read it:

    "Should you go to the emergency room (ER), urgent care or doctor?s
    office?"
    <https://health.ucdavis.edu/blog/cultivating-health/should-you-go-to-the-emergency-room-urgent-care-or-doctors-office/2023/07>
    "When to go to the emergency room (ER)"
    Among the symptoms listed are:
    "Vision problems, such as double vision or loss of vision"
    "Severe dizziness"
    "Head injuries, loss of consciousness, fainting, confusion, or
    seizures"




    How long have I been saying that I have no balance and how long has Liebermann been oretebdubg that he cannot read?

    The change was that my left eye was not tracking the right which made balancing even more difficult since I have to orient myself by looking at
    my surroundings, With eyesight problems this became difficuolt.

    At the moment, if I start falling I cannot catch myself and reorient
    myself fast enough to keep from fqalling. I'm taking the bike out to see
    how much of a problem this is.


    Possibly vestibular in nature, does effect eye tracking mine apparently
    don’t track as well as should do.

    It’s one of the things the Vestibular physios look for when they get into one’s personal space, and stare into one’s eyes which is fairly uncomfortable to be honest!

    If one’s balance is impaired then do tend to fail to catch oneself, though the bike for me seems to be the one exception, on foot I tend to just
    collapse or rather sit ungainly, or use my reach and strength to hold on
    and brace.

    If from your other post it’s from a blood clot/brain I’d expect it just to be done than left certainly that’s the NHS way.

    Roger Merriman

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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 5 10:10:01 2025
    On Wed, 05 Feb 2025 16:03:39 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    How long have I been saying that I have no balance and how long has Liebermann been oretebdubg that he cannot read?

    I have no idea. It's too much work to dig through the Google archives
    to find the exact date you began complaining.

    However, that's not the problem I was addressing. You stated that:

    "Something pretty severe happend yesterday. suddenloy my
    eyes stopped focussing on the same pot. So now I haqve
    prqctically no balanceae all. I can still driveby closing
    my left eye but my balance is gone. Sleeping overnight
    made very little difference and I made an appointnebt
    with my neurologist."

    That's something new. I thought you might want to talk to someone in
    ER instead of waiting day, weeks, or months for your appointment with
    your neurologist. My rule of thumb is "if things get better, do
    nothing. If things get worse, get medical attention". If you believe
    it necessary to avoid draining your large bank account by delaying
    consultation with your doctor, I believe that might be an unnecessary
    risk. Your life and your decision.

    The change was that my left eye was not tracking the right which made balancing even more difficult since I have to orient myself by looking at my surroundings, With eyesight problems this became difficuolt.

    If your eyes are not tracking and/or you have double vision
    (diplopia), you should also be getting headaches. It might also be
    why your spelling and grammar are deteriorating and you seem unwilling
    to use a spelling checker. Can you see the screen and keyboard?

    At the moment, if I start falling I cannot catch myself and reorient myself fast enough to keep from fqalling. I'm taking the bike out to see how much of a problem this is.

    Yes, that could turn into a serious problem. If you insist on
    falling, perhaps a more effective helmet or elbow pads, might help.
    However, there are solutions available that might allow you to
    continue cycling:

    "Cycling with a balance disorder on an adaptive bike" <https://www.vanraam.com/en-gb/news/cycling-with-a-balance-disorder-on-an-adaptive-bike>

    "Cycling with a brain disorder" <https://www.vanraam.com/en-gb/news/cycling-with-a-brain-disorder>

    "Discover a Life Rebalanced"
    <https://vestibular.org/>

    More:
    <https://www.google.com/search?q=balance+disorder+cycling> <https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=balance+disorder+cycling&ia=web>


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    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Roger Merriman on Wed Feb 5 12:02:41 2025
    On 2/5/2025 11:36 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
    cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Thu Jan 30 14:45:18 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    When I phone my cardiologist, gastroenterologist, urologist, or
    ophthalmologist, the first thing I hear on the phone is a recording
    with "if this is an emergency please hang up and call 911". I have
    yet to call any doctors office that fails to provide that warning.
    <https://www.google.com/search?q=if%20this%20is%20an%20emergency%20please%20hang%20up%20and%20call%20911>

    Total loss of balance is an emergency, or will soon be an emergency,
    if you try to drive or ride without being able to balance yourself. If
    you elect to wait the days/week/months before an appointment with your
    neurologist can be arranged. If your neurologist is available, the ER
    (emergency room) will call his or her office with the medical details.
    You might consider going to an "urgent care" or "walk in" clinic and
    have them call your neurologist for permission to have an ER doctor
    look at your medical records.

    This might help, if you can read it:

    "Should you go to the emergency room (ER), urgent care or doctor?s
    office?"
    <https://health.ucdavis.edu/blog/cultivating-health/should-you-go-to-the-emergency-room-urgent-care-or-doctors-office/2023/07>
    "When to go to the emergency room (ER)"
    Among the symptoms listed are:
    "Vision problems, such as double vision or loss of vision"
    "Severe dizziness"
    "Head injuries, loss of consciousness, fainting, confusion, or
    seizures"




    How long have I been saying that I have no balance and how long has
    Liebermann been oretebdubg that he cannot read?

    The change was that my left eye was not tracking the right which made
    balancing even more difficult since I have to orient myself by looking at
    my surroundings, With eyesight problems this became difficuolt.

    At the moment, if I start falling I cannot catch myself and reorient
    myself fast enough to keep from fqalling. I'm taking the bike out to see
    how much of a problem this is.


    Possibly vestibular in nature, does effect eye tracking mine apparently don’t track as well as should do.

    It’s one of the things the Vestibular physios look for when they get into one’s personal space, and stare into one’s eyes which is fairly uncomfortable to be honest!

    If one’s balance is impaired then do tend to fail to catch oneself, though the bike for me seems to be the one exception, on foot I tend to just collapse or rather sit ungainly, or use my reach and strength to hold on
    and brace.

    If from your other post it’s from a blood clot/brain I’d expect it just to
    be done than left certainly that’s the NHS way.

    Roger Merriman


    A scan is indeed indicated but NHS is no more prompt than
    the failed US systems:

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/nhs-mri-england-government-department-of-health-b1152601.html

    The crux of problem is delay, not cost IMHO.

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From Roger Merriman@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Wed Feb 5 18:27:26 2025
    AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
    On 2/5/2025 11:36 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
    cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Thu Jan 30 14:45:18 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    When I phone my cardiologist, gastroenterologist, urologist, or
    ophthalmologist, the first thing I hear on the phone is a recording
    with "if this is an emergency please hang up and call 911". I have
    yet to call any doctors office that fails to provide that warning.
    <https://www.google.com/search?q=if%20this%20is%20an%20emergency%20please%20hang%20up%20and%20call%20911>

    Total loss of balance is an emergency, or will soon be an emergency,
    if you try to drive or ride without being able to balance yourself. If >>>> you elect to wait the days/week/months before an appointment with your >>>> neurologist can be arranged. If your neurologist is available, the ER >>>> (emergency room) will call his or her office with the medical details. >>>> You might consider going to an "urgent care" or "walk in" clinic and
    have them call your neurologist for permission to have an ER doctor
    look at your medical records.

    This might help, if you can read it:

    "Should you go to the emergency room (ER), urgent care or doctor?s
    office?"
    <https://health.ucdavis.edu/blog/cultivating-health/should-you-go-to-the-emergency-room-urgent-care-or-doctors-office/2023/07>
    "When to go to the emergency room (ER)"
    Among the symptoms listed are:
    "Vision problems, such as double vision or loss of vision"
    "Severe dizziness"
    "Head injuries, loss of consciousness, fainting, confusion, or
    seizures"




    How long have I been saying that I have no balance and how long has
    Liebermann been oretebdubg that he cannot read?

    The change was that my left eye was not tracking the right which made
    balancing even more difficult since I have to orient myself by looking at >>> my surroundings, With eyesight problems this became difficuolt.

    At the moment, if I start falling I cannot catch myself and reorient
    myself fast enough to keep from fqalling. I'm taking the bike out to see >>> how much of a problem this is.


    Possibly vestibular in nature, does effect eye tracking mine apparently
    don’t track as well as should do.

    It’s one of the things the Vestibular physios look for when they get into >> one’s personal space, and stare into one’s eyes which is fairly
    uncomfortable to be honest!

    If one’s balance is impaired then do tend to fail to catch oneself, though >> the bike for me seems to be the one exception, on foot I tend to just
    collapse or rather sit ungainly, or use my reach and strength to hold on
    and brace.

    If from your other post it’s from a blood clot/brain I’d expect it just to
    be done than left certainly that’s the NHS way.

    Roger Merriman


    A scan is indeed indicated but NHS is no more prompt than
    the failed US systems:

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/nhs-mri-england-government-department-of-health-b1152601.html

    The crux of problem is delay, not cost IMHO.

    I’ve found it’s fairly prompt if it’s time or medically critical of which Tom’s does sound like it.

    That’s not to say that the NHS hasn’t had 14 years of real world budget cuts as well the hope as ever is to privatise it so someone can make money,
    as it’s working so well with various utilities, my favourite being Thames water asking if after spending its money paying dividends to shareholders rather than doing maintenance, has asked if the government would pay its
    debts!

    Kinda unlikely really!

    Roger Merriman

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Roger Merriman on Wed Feb 5 12:34:38 2025
    On 2/5/2025 12:27 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
    AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
    On 2/5/2025 11:36 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
    cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Thu Jan 30 14:45:18 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    When I phone my cardiologist, gastroenterologist, urologist, or
    ophthalmologist, the first thing I hear on the phone is a recording
    with "if this is an emergency please hang up and call 911". I have
    yet to call any doctors office that fails to provide that warning.
    <https://www.google.com/search?q=if%20this%20is%20an%20emergency%20please%20hang%20up%20and%20call%20911>

    Total loss of balance is an emergency, or will soon be an emergency, >>>>> if you try to drive or ride without being able to balance yourself. If >>>>> you elect to wait the days/week/months before an appointment with your >>>>> neurologist can be arranged. If your neurologist is available, the ER >>>>> (emergency room) will call his or her office with the medical details. >>>>> You might consider going to an "urgent care" or "walk in" clinic and >>>>> have them call your neurologist for permission to have an ER doctor
    look at your medical records.

    This might help, if you can read it:

    "Should you go to the emergency room (ER), urgent care or doctor?s
    office?"
    <https://health.ucdavis.edu/blog/cultivating-health/should-you-go-to-the-emergency-room-urgent-care-or-doctors-office/2023/07>
    "When to go to the emergency room (ER)"
    Among the symptoms listed are:
    "Vision problems, such as double vision or loss of vision"
    "Severe dizziness"
    "Head injuries, loss of consciousness, fainting, confusion, or
    seizures"




    How long have I been saying that I have no balance and how long has
    Liebermann been oretebdubg that he cannot read?

    The change was that my left eye was not tracking the right which made
    balancing even more difficult since I have to orient myself by looking at >>>> my surroundings, With eyesight problems this became difficuolt.

    At the moment, if I start falling I cannot catch myself and reorient
    myself fast enough to keep from fqalling. I'm taking the bike out to see >>>> how much of a problem this is.


    Possibly vestibular in nature, does effect eye tracking mine apparently
    don’t track as well as should do.

    It’s one of the things the Vestibular physios look for when they get into >>> one’s personal space, and stare into one’s eyes which is fairly
    uncomfortable to be honest!

    If one’s balance is impaired then do tend to fail to catch oneself, though
    the bike for me seems to be the one exception, on foot I tend to just
    collapse or rather sit ungainly, or use my reach and strength to hold on >>> and brace.

    If from your other post it’s from a blood clot/brain I’d expect it just to
    be done than left certainly that’s the NHS way.

    Roger Merriman


    A scan is indeed indicated but NHS is no more prompt than
    the failed US systems:

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/nhs-mri-england-government-department-of-health-b1152601.html

    The crux of problem is delay, not cost IMHO.

    I’ve found it’s fairly prompt if it’s time or medically critical of which
    Tom’s does sound like it.

    That’s not to say that the NHS hasn’t had 14 years of real world budget cuts as well the hope as ever is to privatise it so someone can make money, as it’s working so well with various utilities, my favourite being Thames water asking if after spending its money paying dividends to shareholders rather than doing maintenance, has asked if the government would pay its debts!

    Kinda unlikely really!

    Roger Merriman


    Indeed, water utilities in UK are a world-class object
    lesson in failure.

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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