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On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 18:26:26 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
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I once bought a brand new MG-MGB for $1,000 :-) The shop had only one,
and it was for display on the main floor. I said, "I'd like that one".
The salesman asked me, "said how did you plan to pay for it?" I said, "CASH!". The guy hollers, ""Come get this car out of the show room for
this customer" :-)
On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 18:26:26 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
https://nplusbikes.com/collections/electric-bikes/products/city-edition
If they're giving them away, you can have mine.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 18:26:26 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
https://nplusbikes.com/collections/electric-bikes/products/city-edition
If they're giving them away, you can have mine.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I’m bit confused as to their market to be honest, but I’m possibly out of >touch but while I see E MTB in that sort of price range, and Cargo bikes
both of which make sense, carbon E bikes for commuting? I’m less convinced >by and certainly don’t see examples on London’s streets.
To be fair the speed limiter would come into play, the folks who cycling in >to the city from South West London would be averaging that sort of speed
some above. As the roads cycle lanes allow for moving fast, so one can
cycle the 15/20 miles in a hour ish.
Roger Merriman
On 1 Feb 2025 08:00:54 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 18:26:26 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
https://nplusbikes.com/collections/electric-bikes/products/city-edition >>>If they're giving them away, you can have mine.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I’m bit confused as to their market to be honest, but I’m possibly out of
touch but while I see E MTB in that sort of price range, and Cargo bikes
both of which make sense, carbon E bikes for commuting? I’m less convinced
by and certainly don’t see examples on London’s streets.
To be fair the speed limiter would come into play, the folks who cycling in >> to the city from South West London would be averaging that sort of speed
some above. As the roads cycle lanes allow for moving fast, so one can
cycle the 15/20 miles in a hour ish.
Roger Merriman
If I ever want to ride a fast motorcycle again, I think I'd go with a
Ducati this time.
https://www.motorrad-bilder.at/slideshows/291/014424/ducati-monster-1200-s-2017-zubehoer-1.jpg
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On 1/31/2025 6:26 PM, AMuzi wrote:
https://nplusbikes.com/collections/electric-bikes/Pretty soon there will be no such thing as a real bike where
products/city-edition
you supply the power. I want to pedal with my legs, shift
with my hands. and brake with my hands and I supply pretty
much all the power.
Bikes are no going out of style due to low cost but these
these are taking but much more of the market. You can have
mine for free if they gave me one.
https://nplusbikes.com/collections/electric-bikes/products/city-edition
On 1 Feb 2025 08:00:54 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 18:26:26 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
https://nplusbikes.com/collections/electric-bikes/products/city-edition >>>If they're giving them away, you can have mine.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
IÂ’m bit confused as to their market to be honest, but IÂ’m possibly out of >> touch but while I see E MTB in that sort of price range, and Cargo bikes
both of which make sense, carbon E bikes for commuting? IÂ’m less convinced >> by and certainly donÂ’t see examples on LondonÂ’s streets.
To be fair the speed limiter would come into play, the folks who cycling in >> to the city from South West London would be averaging that sort of speed
some above. As the roads cycle lanes allow for moving fast, so one can
cycle the 15/20 miles in a hour ish.
Roger Merriman
Can't comment for England but here I can buy a brand new motor bike
for as low as 10,000 Thai Baht and a more expensive Supercub for
60,000 T.B.
That is U.S. Dollars $299 and $1498.
Worst case is about 1 Supercub and 2,500 gallons of gasoline :-)
On 2/1/2025 2:22 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
On 1/31/2025 6:26 PM, AMuzi wrote:
https://nplusbikes.com/collections/electric-bikes/Pretty soon there will be no such thing as a real bike where
products/city-edition
you supply the power. I want to pedal with my legs, shift
with my hands. and brake with my hands and I supply pretty
much all the power.
Bikes are no going out of style due to low cost but these
these are taking but much more of the market. You can have
mine for free if they gave me one.
In my (personal, but informed) opinion, that will not be a
problem. There are plenty enough carburetted manual shift
autos, Knucklehead era Harleys, fountain pens, Underwood
typewriters and so on to meet demand. Where demand falls
short, those things get cheaper or sold for scrap; where
demand rises, prices adjust.
So I have no fear of any 'shortage' of classic bicycles.
On 2/1/2025 2:22 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
On 1/31/2025 6:26 PM, AMuzi wrote:
https://nplusbikes.com/collections/electric-bikes/Pretty soon there will be no such thing as a real bike where
products/city-edition
you supply the power. I want to pedal with my legs, shift
with my hands. and brake with my hands and I supply pretty
much all the power.
Bikes are no going out of style due to low cost but these
these are taking but much more of the market. You can have
mine for free if they gave me one.
In my (personal, but informed) opinion, that will not be a
problem. There are plenty enough carburetted manual shift
autos, Knucklehead era Harleys, fountain pens, Underwood
typewriters and so on to meet demand. Where demand falls
short, those things get cheaper or sold for scrap; where
demand rises, prices adjust.
So I have no fear of any 'shortage' of classic bicycles.
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 07:48:55 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 2/1/2025 5:01 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On 1 Feb 2025 08:00:54 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 18:26:26 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>
https://nplusbikes.com/collections/electric-bikes/products/city-edition >>>>>If they're giving them away, you can have mine.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I’m bit confused as to their market to be honest, but I’m possibly out of
touch but while I see E MTB in that sort of price range, and Cargo bikes >>>> both of which make sense, carbon E bikes for commuting? I’m less convinced
by and certainly don’t see examples on London’s streets.
To be fair the speed limiter would come into play, the folks who cycling in
to the city from South West London would be averaging that sort of speed >>>> some above. As the roads cycle lanes allow for moving fast, so one can >>>> cycle the 15/20 miles in a hour ish.
Roger Merriman
If I ever want to ride a fast motorcycle again, I think I'd go with a
Ducati this time.
https://www.motorrad-bilder.at/slideshows/291/014424/ducati-monster-1200-s-2017-zubehoer-1.jpg
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Yep, as so often the best choice is usually Italian.
Yep... to be made in Thailand :-) https://www.bikewale.com/news/ducati-scrambler-will-be-made-in-thailand/
John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
On 1 Feb 2025 08:00:54 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 18:26:26 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>
https://nplusbikes.com/collections/electric-bikes/products/city-edition >>>>If they're giving them away, you can have mine.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
IÂ’m bit confused as to their market to be honest, but IÂ’m possibly out of >>> touch but while I see E MTB in that sort of price range, and Cargo bikes >>> both of which make sense, carbon E bikes for commuting? IÂ’m less convinced
by and certainly donÂ’t see examples on LondonÂ’s streets.
To be fair the speed limiter would come into play, the folks who cycling in >>> to the city from South West London would be averaging that sort of speed >>> some above. As the roads cycle lanes allow for moving fast, so one can
cycle the 15/20 miles in a hour ish.
Roger Merriman
Can't comment for England but here I can buy a brand new motor bike
for as low as 10,000 Thai Baht and a more expensive Supercub for
60,000 T.B.
That is U.S. Dollars $299 and $1498.
Worst case is about 1 Supercub and 2,500 gallons of gasoline :-)
While bikes certainly are expensive, for various reasons mainly bikes are much more separated with both models add in different equipment specs and sizes.
Even road bikes, have Race bikes, Aero, endurance, Gravel which is split often into race and explore, and so on.
This said a moped from a known brand is around 3k which is about the same
as decent full suspension MTB, quite a bit more than a hybrid to get around town be that electric which would be around 1k or half that for analogue.
Getting an off road motorcycle with the ability to cope with, similar
terrain as for example my Trance your into the 6K mark.
Flipping back to the utility side, cargo bikes can carry safely carry kids/stuff start around the 2k mark and climb rapidly to around 10k but
they are more car replacements, generally doing the school run, which with the best will in the world isn’t done by moped or motorcycles.
So yes bikes can be expensive but the answer isn’t particularly simple.
Roger Merriman
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 2/1/2025 2:22 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
On 1/31/2025 6:26 PM, AMuzi wrote:
https://nplusbikes.com/collections/electric-bikes/Pretty soon there will be no such thing as a real bike where
products/city-edition
you supply the power. I want to pedal with my legs, shift
with my hands. and brake with my hands and I supply pretty
much all the power.
Bikes are no going out of style due to low cost but these
these are taking but much more of the market. You can have
mine for free if they gave me one.
In my (personal, but informed) opinion, that will not be a
problem. There are plenty enough carburetted manual shift
autos, Knucklehead era Harleys, fountain pens, Underwood
typewriters and so on to meet demand. Where demand falls
short, those things get cheaper or sold for scrap; where
demand rises, prices adjust.
So I have no fear of any 'shortage' of classic bicycles.
Indeed I do see lots of E MTB which makes sense as lot of MTBers are there for the downs plus places folks go the uphills are generally fire roads and so on, which are dull as on a MTB.
Cargo Bikes kinda makes sense to have a bit of extra oomph, when your collecting kids from the school, plus the hire bikes, folks can just jump
on, will not get a sweat on for a short ish trip in casual clothes.
Don’t see many e bikes just for commuting probably cost, ie double the cost and gets into the I’m going to worry if I lock it there range, so it’s usefulness is diminished due to its risk of being stolen.
And see very few road bikes, I saw one chap on one few years back, older roadie who wanted a bit of help back over the north downs, it’s still not going to let him keep up with the faster folks due to the 15mph cut off for assistance but that’s fine really, certainly in my experience that keeps E bikes for utility and MTB, and keeps them the right side of the it’s a bike-motorbike line.
Ie folks who want a 20+ mph E bikes for the roads need to just get a moped and all that.
Roger Merriman
On 2/2/2025 6:54 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 2/1/2025 2:22 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
On 1/31/2025 6:26 PM, AMuzi wrote:
https://nplusbikes.com/collections/electric-bikes/Pretty soon there will be no such thing as a real bike where
products/city-edition
you supply the power. I want to pedal with my legs, shift
with my hands. and brake with my hands and I supply pretty
much all the power.
Bikes are no going out of style due to low cost but these
these are taking but much more of the market. You can have
mine for free if they gave me one.
In my (personal, but informed) opinion, that will not be a
problem. There are plenty enough carburetted manual shift
autos, Knucklehead era Harleys, fountain pens, Underwood
typewriters and so on to meet demand. Where demand falls
short, those things get cheaper or sold for scrap; where
demand rises, prices adjust.
So I have no fear of any 'shortage' of classic bicycles.
Indeed I do see lots of E MTB which makes sense as lot of MTBers are there >> for the downs plus places folks go the uphills are generally fire roads and >> so on, which are dull as on a MTB.
Cargo Bikes kinda makes sense to have a bit of extra oomph, when your
collecting kids from the school, plus the hire bikes, folks can just jump
on, will not get a sweat on for a short ish trip in casual clothes.
Don’t see many e bikes just for commuting probably cost, ie double the cost
and gets into the I’m going to worry if I lock it there range, so it’s >> usefulness is diminished due to its risk of being stolen.
And see very few road bikes, I saw one chap on one few years back, older
roadie who wanted a bit of help back over the north downs, it’s still not >> going to let him keep up with the faster folks due to the 15mph cut off for >> assistance but that’s fine really, certainly in my experience that keeps E >> bikes for utility and MTB, and keeps them the right side of the it’s a
bike-motorbike line.
Ie folks who want a 20+ mph E bikes for the roads need to just get a moped >> and all that.
Roger Merriman
Here, the most visible urban electric two wheelers are with
the delivery services, especially hot food.
On 2/2/2025 6:38 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
On 1 Feb 2025 08:00:54 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:While bikes certainly are expensive, for various reasons mainly
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 18:26:26 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>
https://nplusbikes.com/collections/electric-bikes/products/city-edition >>>>>If they're giving them away, you can have mine.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
IÂ’m bit confused as to their market to be honest, but IÂ’m possibly out of
touch but while I see E MTB in that sort of price range, and Cargo bikes >>>> both of which make sense, carbon E bikes for commuting? IÂ’m less convinced
by and certainly donÂ’t see examples on LondonÂ’s streets.
To be fair the speed limiter would come into play, the folks who cycling in
to the city from South West London would be averaging that sort of speed >>>> some above. As the roads cycle lanes allow for moving fast, so one can >>>> cycle the 15/20 miles in a hour ish.
Roger Merriman
Can't comment for England but here I can buy a brand new motor bike
for as low as 10,000 Thai Baht and a more expensive Supercub for
60,000 T.B.
That is U.S. Dollars $299 and $1498.
Worst case is about 1 Supercub and 2,500 gallons of gasoline :-)
bikes are
much more separated with both models add in different equipment specs and
sizes.
Even road bikes, have Race bikes, Aero, endurance, Gravel which is
split
often into race and explore, and so on.
This said a moped from a known brand is around 3k which is about the
same
as decent full suspension MTB, quite a bit more than a hybrid to get around >> town be that electric which would be around 1k or half that for analogue.
Getting an off road motorcycle with the ability to cope with,
similar
terrain as for example my Trance your into the 6K mark.
Flipping back to the utility side, cargo bikes can carry safely
carry
kids/stuff start around the 2k mark and climb rapidly to around 10k but
they are more car replacements, generally doing the school run, which with >> the best will in the world isn’t done by moped or motorcycles.
So yes bikes can be expensive but the answer isn’t particularly
simple.
Roger Merriman
"answer isn’t particularly simple"
Right you are! With perhaps some apples and oranges comparisons.
Crappy small 2 cycle two wheelers from china are so cheap in India
(with local final assembly) that they are crushing the bicycle selling business. There are not Ducatis!
And for 'bicycle', some may look to the sort of thing we might
ride. The average bicycle in USA is $409 and of course half are below average!
On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 09:19:24 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 2/1/2025 7:41 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 07:48:55 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 2/1/2025 5:01 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On 1 Feb 2025 08:00:54 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 18:26:26 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>
https://nplusbikes.com/collections/electric-bikes/products/city-edition
If they're giving them away, you can have mine.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I’m bit confused as to their market to be honest, but I’m possibly out of
touch but while I see E MTB in that sort of price range, and Cargo bikes >>>>>> both of which make sense, carbon E bikes for commuting? I’m less convinced
by and certainly don’t see examples on London’s streets.
To be fair the speed limiter would come into play, the folks who cycling in
to the city from South West London would be averaging that sort of speed >>>>>> some above. As the roads cycle lanes allow for moving fast, so one can >>>>>> cycle the 15/20 miles in a hour ish.
Roger Merriman
If I ever want to ride a fast motorcycle again, I think I'd go with a >>>>> Ducati this time.
https://www.motorrad-bilder.at/slideshows/291/014424/ducati-monster-1200-s-2017-zubehoer-1.jpg
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Yep, as so often the best choice is usually Italian.
Yep... to be made in Thailand :-)
https://www.bikewale.com/news/ducati-scrambler-will-be-made-in-thailand/ >>>
Given Italian taxes and labor law, that makes perfect sense.
For the same reason Campagnolo product is made in Romania
(with Italian engineering and tooling).
Average industrial labor wage :
USA $28.34
Italy $16.96
Romania $10.40
Thailand $2.69
https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/wages-in-manufacturing
https://economicsinsider.com/average-salary-rankings-in-europe-top-and-lowest-paying-countries/
NB-
With some uncertainty. I assumed 40 hour week and 2000 hour
year ("union year") but IIRC Thai and other Asian workers
commonly work longer per day and six day weeks so wage above
may in fact be lower. And AFAIK, being a long term
customer, Thai labor is no less skilled.
Yup! I pointed out the difference in labor costs between the U.S. and
Mexico (in my comparison) and a Thai comparison would be even greater
- minimum salary is now risen to a high of 337 -,400 baht a day,
depending on location. At 33.6 baht = 1 USD that is $10 - $11.9 a day.
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> writes:
On 2/2/2025 6:38 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
On 1 Feb 2025 08:00:54 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:While bikes certainly are expensive, for various reasons mainly
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 18:26:26 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>
https://nplusbikes.com/collections/electric-bikes/products/city-edition >>>>>>If they're giving them away, you can have mine.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
IÂ’m bit confused as to their market to be honest, but IÂ’m possibly out of
touch but while I see E MTB in that sort of price range, and Cargo bikes >>>>> both of which make sense, carbon E bikes for commuting? IÂ’m less convinced
by and certainly donÂ’t see examples on LondonÂ’s streets.
To be fair the speed limiter would come into play, the folks who cycling in
to the city from South West London would be averaging that sort of speed >>>>> some above. As the roads cycle lanes allow for moving fast, so one can >>>>> cycle the 15/20 miles in a hour ish.
Roger Merriman
Can't comment for England but here I can buy a brand new motor bike
for as low as 10,000 Thai Baht and a more expensive Supercub for
60,000 T.B.
That is U.S. Dollars $299 and $1498.
Worst case is about 1 Supercub and 2,500 gallons of gasoline :-)
bikes are
much more separated with both models add in different equipment specs and >>> sizes.
Even road bikes, have Race bikes, Aero, endurance, Gravel which is
split
often into race and explore, and so on.
This said a moped from a known brand is around 3k which is about the
same
as decent full suspension MTB, quite a bit more than a hybrid to get around >>> town be that electric which would be around 1k or half that for analogue. >>> Getting an off road motorcycle with the ability to cope with,
similar
terrain as for example my Trance your into the 6K mark.
Flipping back to the utility side, cargo bikes can carry safely
carry
kids/stuff start around the 2k mark and climb rapidly to around 10k but
they are more car replacements, generally doing the school run, which with >>> the best will in the world isn’t done by moped or motorcycles.
So yes bikes can be expensive but the answer isn’t particularly
simple.
Roger Merriman
"answer isn’t particularly simple"
Right you are! With perhaps some apples and oranges comparisons.
Crappy small 2 cycle two wheelers from china are so cheap in India
(with local final assembly) that they are crushing the bicycle selling
business. There are not Ducatis!
And for 'bicycle', some may look to the sort of thing we might
ride. The average bicycle in USA is $409 and of course half are below
average!
Half are below median. If "average" means "mean", then almost certainly
more than half are below.
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