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    From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 14 21:21:30 2025
    Holding on to the cable you car feel the left lever pullind and releasing due to lever settings. but it doesn't appear to be moving the front derailleur.

    Any suggestions?

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  • From Catrike Ryder@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 14 16:57:41 2025
    On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 21:21:30 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    Holding on to the cable you car feel the left lever pullind and releasing due to lever settings. but it doesn't appear to be moving the front derailleur.

    Any suggestions?

    Pull the slack out of the cable wire, perhaps

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    Soloman

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  • From Roger Merriman@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Fri Feb 14 21:55:41 2025
    cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Holding on to the cable you car feel the left lever pullind and releasing
    due to lever settings. but it doesn't appear to be moving the front derailleur.

    Any suggestions?

    Somewhat confused to be honest, is the shifter moving the cable? But the Derailleur isn’t moving?

    As side note GRX is compatible with lots of other group-sets I have GRX/Tiagra/Sora mix on the Gravel bike.

    Roger Merriman

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Fri Feb 14 16:34:10 2025
    On 2/14/2025 3:21 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    Holding on to the cable you car feel the left lever pullind and releasing due to lever settings. but it doesn't appear to be moving the front derailleur.

    Any suggestions?

    Why are you pulling the gear wire? Is that while riding?
    Don't do that.

    Or during installation? In that case, ensure the lever is
    fully returned to low before securing the wire. Shouldn't
    hear any clicks.

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    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 16 01:14:12 2025
    On Fri Feb 14 21:55:41 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
    cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Holding on to the cable you car feel the left lever pullind and releasing due to lever settings. but it doesn't appear to be moving the front derailleur.

    Any suggestions?

    Somewhat confused to be honest, is the shifter moving the cable? But the Derailleur isn?t moving?

    As side note GRX is compatible with lots of other group-sets I have GRX/Tiagra/Sora mix on the Gravel bike.




    I got it working. The connection through the reel is pretty tricky. You have to hold it in p;lace and then shift up a gear to lock in place. Same on the other side. Then you pull the wire tight at the other end and shift down and take out the slack. Then
    shift bach and take out the slack again. These disk brake bikes are heavy, The complete build on this superlight frame is still 20 lbs at the end.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 16 01:17:16 2025
    On Fri Feb 14 16:57:41 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
    On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 21:21:30 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    Holding on to the cable you car feel the left lever pullind and releasing due to lever settings. but it doesn't appear to be moving the front derailleur.

    Any suggestions?

    Pull the slack out of the cable wire, perhaps




    Well, that's correct but because the wire makes a 90 degree bend it backs inself out and you need left and right hand coordination and I am just getting over a stroke.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 16 01:31:27 2025
    On Fri Feb 14 16:34:10 2025 AMuzi wrote:
    On 2/14/2025 3:21 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    Holding on to the cable you car feel the left lever pullind and releasing due to lever settings. but it doesn't appear to be moving the front derailleur.

    Any suggestions?

    Why are you pulling the gear wire? Is that while riding?
    Don't do that.

    Or during installation? In that case, ensure the lever is
    fully returned to low before securing the wire. Shouldn't
    hear any clicks.



    Initial assembly. The problem was that it was kicking itself out of the reel lock and not locked into the end of the reel. It felt like it was moving because of the reel lock pulling past it. I finally figure it out when I looked in while I was shifting
    and the end wasn't moving. This all looked a lot better when the occupational therapist came by and told me not to try working on it sitting on my knees. I had a stool out in the garage so I got it and that is also curing my dizziness. Now I'm almost
    positive that I'll be able to ride again.

    All that's left is installation of the press-in BB bearings and installation of the cranks and chain. And bleeding the brakes when the parts come in. And wraping the bar tape.

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  • From Roger Merriman@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Sun Feb 16 11:07:32 2025
    cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Fri Feb 14 21:55:41 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
    cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Holding on to the cable you car feel the left lever pullind and releasing >>> due to lever settings. but it doesn't appear to be moving the front derailleur.

    Any suggestions?

    Somewhat confused to be honest, is the shifter moving the cable? But the
    Derailleur isn?t moving?

    As side note GRX is compatible with lots of other group-sets I have
    GRX/Tiagra/Sora mix on the Gravel bike.




    I got it working. The connection through the reel is pretty tricky. You
    have to hold it in p;lace and then shift up a gear to lock in place. Same
    on the other side. Then you pull the wire tight at the other end and
    shift down and take out the slack. Then shift bach and take out the slack again. These disk brake bikes are heavy, The complete build on this superlight frame is still 20 lbs at the end.



    GRX 10s is around the Tiagra groupset area ie middle range and light weight isn’t perhaps its first priority the rear mech’s have a clutch, if your riding on road can flick the switch to get lighter shifts.

    With road bikes going for wider tyres, and aero bits and bobs, and
    electronic gear weights have crept up, this said the uk hill climb bikes do
    see bikes around the 6KG mark disks or not, do occasionally see bikes
    getting sub 5KG but thats more folks having fun with weird and expensive
    one of bits of kits than a bike that is race fit!

    Roger Merriman

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Roger Merriman on Sun Feb 16 09:59:08 2025
    On 2/16/2025 5:07 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
    cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Fri Feb 14 21:55:41 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
    cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Holding on to the cable you car feel the left lever pullind and releasing >>>> due to lever settings. but it doesn't appear to be moving the front derailleur.

    Any suggestions?

    Somewhat confused to be honest, is the shifter moving the cable? But the >>> Derailleur isn?t moving?

    As side note GRX is compatible with lots of other group-sets I have
    GRX/Tiagra/Sora mix on the Gravel bike.




    I got it working. The connection through the reel is pretty tricky. You
    have to hold it in p;lace and then shift up a gear to lock in place. Same
    on the other side. Then you pull the wire tight at the other end and
    shift down and take out the slack. Then shift bach and take out the slack
    again. These disk brake bikes are heavy, The complete build on this
    superlight frame is still 20 lbs at the end.



    GRX 10s is around the Tiagra groupset area ie middle range and light weight isn’t perhaps its first priority the rear mech’s have a clutch, if your riding on road can flick the switch to get lighter shifts.

    With road bikes going for wider tyres, and aero bits and bobs, and
    electronic gear weights have crept up, this said the uk hill climb bikes do see bikes around the 6KG mark disks or not, do occasionally see bikes
    getting sub 5KG but thats more folks having fun with weird and expensive
    one of bits of kits than a bike that is race fit!

    Roger Merriman


    Always been that way. Beryl Burton showed up at time trials
    (and won more often than not for 25 years) with some scary
    light machines 60 years ago.

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From Roger Merriman@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Sun Feb 16 17:16:02 2025
    AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
    On 2/16/2025 5:07 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
    cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Fri Feb 14 21:55:41 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
    cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Holding on to the cable you car feel the left lever pullind and releasing >>>>> due to lever settings. but it doesn't appear to be moving the front derailleur.

    Any suggestions?

    Somewhat confused to be honest, is the shifter moving the cable? But the >>>> Derailleur isn?t moving?

    As side note GRX is compatible with lots of other group-sets I have
    GRX/Tiagra/Sora mix on the Gravel bike.




    I got it working. The connection through the reel is pretty tricky. You
    have to hold it in p;lace and then shift up a gear to lock in place. Same >>> on the other side. Then you pull the wire tight at the other end and
    shift down and take out the slack. Then shift bach and take out the slack >>> again. These disk brake bikes are heavy, The complete build on this
    superlight frame is still 20 lbs at the end.



    GRX 10s is around the Tiagra groupset area ie middle range and light weight >> isn’t perhaps its first priority the rear mech’s have a clutch, if your >> riding on road can flick the switch to get lighter shifts.

    With road bikes going for wider tyres, and aero bits and bobs, and
    electronic gear weights have crept up, this said the uk hill climb bikes do >> see bikes around the 6KG mark disks or not, do occasionally see bikes
    getting sub 5KG but thats more folks having fun with weird and expensive
    one of bits of kits than a bike that is race fit!

    Roger Merriman


    Always been that way. Beryl Burton showed up at time trials
    (and won more often than not for 25 years) with some scary
    light machines 60 years ago.

    Certainly now and has been for while weight hasn’t been TTer Focus but aero hence silly hats and what not! The hill climbs absolutely go for it weight
    or lack of it though with some spectacular if perhaps not particularly functional machines!

    Perhaps bikes at the time were heavy enough to make a difference?

    Roger Merriman

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Roger Merriman on Sun Feb 16 12:21:48 2025
    On 2/16/2025 11:16 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
    AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
    On 2/16/2025 5:07 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
    cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Fri Feb 14 21:55:41 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
    cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Holding on to the cable you car feel the left lever pullind and releasing
    due to lever settings. but it doesn't appear to be moving the front derailleur.

    Any suggestions?

    Somewhat confused to be honest, is the shifter moving the cable? But the >>>>> Derailleur isn?t moving?

    As side note GRX is compatible with lots of other group-sets I have
    GRX/Tiagra/Sora mix on the Gravel bike.




    I got it working. The connection through the reel is pretty tricky. You >>>> have to hold it in p;lace and then shift up a gear to lock in place. Same >>>> on the other side. Then you pull the wire tight at the other end and
    shift down and take out the slack. Then shift bach and take out the slack >>>> again. These disk brake bikes are heavy, The complete build on this
    superlight frame is still 20 lbs at the end.



    GRX 10s is around the Tiagra groupset area ie middle range and light weight >>> isn’t perhaps its first priority the rear mech’s have a clutch, if your >>> riding on road can flick the switch to get lighter shifts.

    With road bikes going for wider tyres, and aero bits and bobs, and
    electronic gear weights have crept up, this said the uk hill climb bikes do >>> see bikes around the 6KG mark disks or not, do occasionally see bikes
    getting sub 5KG but thats more folks having fun with weird and expensive >>> one of bits of kits than a bike that is race fit!

    Roger Merriman


    Always been that way. Beryl Burton showed up at time trials
    (and won more often than not for 25 years) with some scary
    light machines 60 years ago.

    Certainly now and has been for while weight hasn’t been TTer Focus but aero hence silly hats and what not! The hill climbs absolutely go for it weight
    or lack of it though with some spectacular if perhaps not particularly functional machines!

    Perhaps bikes at the time were heavy enough to make a difference?

    Roger Merriman

    Using much of the Beryl Burton equipment, here's an example
    from when road racing bikes were 21lb.

    http://www.yellowjersey.org/am19.html

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 17 00:21:06 2025
    On Sun Feb 16 17:16:02 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
    AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
    On 2/16/2025 5:07 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
    cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Fri Feb 14 21:55:41 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
    cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Holding on to the cable you car feel the left lever pullind and releasing
    due to lever settings. but it doesn't appear to be moving the front derailleur.

    Any suggestions?

    Somewhat confused to be honest, is the shifter moving the cable? But the >>>> Derailleur isn?t moving?

    As side note GRX is compatible with lots of other group-sets I have
    GRX/Tiagra/Sora mix on the Gravel bike.




    I got it working. The connection through the reel is pretty tricky. You >>> have to hold it in p;lace and then shift up a gear to lock in place. Same >>> on the other side. Then you pull the wire tight at the other end and
    shift down and take out the slack. Then shift bach and take out the slack >>> again. These disk brake bikes are heavy, The complete build on this
    superlight frame is still 20 lbs at the end.



    GRX 10s is around the Tiagra groupset area ie middle range and light weight
    isn?t perhaps its first priority the rear mech?s have a clutch, if your
    riding on road can flick the switch to get lighter shifts.

    With road bikes going for wider tyres, and aero bits and bobs, and
    electronic gear weights have crept up, this said the uk hill climb bikes do
    see bikes around the 6KG mark disks or not, do occasionally see bikes
    getting sub 5KG but thats more folks having fun with weird and expensive >> one of bits of kits than a bike that is race fit!

    Roger Merriman


    Always been that way. Beryl Burton showed up at time trials
    (and won more often than not for 25 years) with some scary
    light machines 60 years ago.

    Certainly now and has been for while weight hasn?t been TTer Focus but aero hence silly hats and what not! The hill climbs absolutely go for it weight
    or lack of it though with some spectacular if perhaps not particularly functional machines!

    Perhaps bikes at the time were heavy enough to make a difference?




    All of these super-light bikes are fearsomely dangerous. Especially the steel bikes which are .7 mm thick steel tubing custom made and on 48 cm frames. I had a Look 495 that weighed just over 14 lbs without water and flat kit. It was a 58 cm. It bounced
    around on the road so much that I very quickly sold it off.

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  • From Roger Merriman@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Mon Feb 17 10:56:11 2025
    cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Sun Feb 16 17:16:02 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
    AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
    On 2/16/2025 5:07 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
    cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Fri Feb 14 21:55:41 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
    cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Holding on to the cable you car feel the left lever pullind and releasing
    due to lever settings. but it doesn't appear to be moving the front derailleur.

    Any suggestions?

    Somewhat confused to be honest, is the shifter moving the cable? But the >>>>>> Derailleur isn?t moving?

    As side note GRX is compatible with lots of other group-sets I have >>>>>> GRX/Tiagra/Sora mix on the Gravel bike.




    I got it working. The connection through the reel is pretty tricky. You >>>>> have to hold it in p;lace and then shift up a gear to lock in place. Same >>>>> on the other side. Then you pull the wire tight at the other end and >>>>> shift down and take out the slack. Then shift bach and take out the slack >>>>> again. These disk brake bikes are heavy, The complete build on this
    superlight frame is still 20 lbs at the end.



    GRX 10s is around the Tiagra groupset area ie middle range and light weight
    isn?t perhaps its first priority the rear mech?s have a clutch, if your >>>> riding on road can flick the switch to get lighter shifts.

    With road bikes going for wider tyres, and aero bits and bobs, and
    electronic gear weights have crept up, this said the uk hill climb bikes do
    see bikes around the 6KG mark disks or not, do occasionally see bikes
    getting sub 5KG but thats more folks having fun with weird and expensive >>>> one of bits of kits than a bike that is race fit!

    Roger Merriman


    Always been that way. Beryl Burton showed up at time trials
    (and won more often than not for 25 years) with some scary
    light machines 60 years ago.

    Certainly now and has been for while weight hasn?t been TTer Focus but aero >> hence silly hats and what not! The hill climbs absolutely go for it weight >> or lack of it though with some spectacular if perhaps not particularly
    functional machines!

    Perhaps bikes at the time were heavy enough to make a difference?




    All of these super-light bikes are fearsomely dangerous. Especially the
    steel bikes which are .7 mm thick steel tubing custom made and on 48 cm frames. I had a Look 495 that weighed just over 14 lbs without water and
    flat kit. It was a 58 cm. It bounced around on the road so much that I
    very quickly sold it off.

    Thats not weight after all folks race bikes that weight up hills don’t seem to get sub 6Kg bikes in the pointy end, but that’s more about the
    durability and functionality of the kit, than being dangerous.

    And well the Aethos which was or maybe still is sold which is 6KG or so and seems to get good handling reviews.

    <https://www.cyclist.co.uk/reviews/specialized-s-works-aethos-review-lightest-ever-disc-brake-bike>

    Roger Merriman

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 17 17:21:26 2025
    On Sun Feb 16 12:21:48 2025 AMuzi wrote:

    Using much of the Beryl Burton equipment, here's an example
    from when road racing bikes were 21lb.

    http://www.yellowjersey.org/am19.html




    Notice that that bike is a 52 sm or so. Small bikes wee surprisingly light since all of the xcomponents and wheels all wwighed the same.

    Some of mu bikes (60 cm) are as heavy as 24 lbs and at my old average speed before 2024, I couldn't tell any real difference. Of course this was when hill roads were open. They are still mostly closed. California isn't repairing anything.

    My BMC is 19 lbs without water of flat kit. My latest DeRosa Idol will be 20 lbs. My DeRosa Merak is 20 lbs, My Colnago Dream HP is 22 lbs. My Moser M82 is 21 lbs.

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  • From Roger Merriman@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Mon Feb 17 17:54:24 2025
    cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Sun Feb 16 12:21:48 2025 AMuzi wrote:

    Using much of the Beryl Burton equipment, here's an example
    from when road racing bikes were 21lb.

    http://www.yellowjersey.org/am19.html




    Notice that that bike is a 52 sm or so. Small bikes wee surprisingly
    light since all of the xcomponents and wheels all wwighed the same.

    Some of mu bikes (60 cm) are as heavy as 24 lbs and at my old average
    speed before 2024, I couldn't tell any real difference. Of course this
    was when hill roads were open. They are still mostly closed. California
    isn't repairing anything.

    My BMC is 19 lbs without water of flat kit. My latest DeRosa Idol will be
    20 lbs. My DeRosa Merak is 20 lbs, My Colnago Dream HP is 22 lbs. My Moser M82 is 21 lbs.


    Beryl Burton was a Time Trial specialist would seem she got better as the distances increased, she was faster over 12hrs than the men for good few
    years, averaging 23mph! Weight wasn’t even then for the mainly though not entirely TTs she did some road racing where weight would absolutely be more
    of factor but riding at 25/23mph down a fairly flat TT course as most TT
    are being able to get into the drops and hold it and ie aero and keep
    pushing out the power matters.

    Not the sort of racing that weight was particularly important.

    Roger Merriman

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