• bicycle vs motor scooter

    From Catrike Ryder@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 10 06:47:00 2025
    Tampa Bicyclist Killed In Collision With Motorized Scooter On Dale
    Mabry Highway

    https://www.tampafp.com/tampa-bicyclist-killed-in-collision-with-motorized-scooter-on-dale-mabry-highway/


    Early Saturday night on a very busy multilane highway lined with strip
    malls. What could go wrong?

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Catrike Ryder on Mon Mar 10 08:21:07 2025
    On 3/10/2025 5:47 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:

    Tampa Bicyclist Killed In Collision With Motorized Scooter On Dale
    Mabry Highway

    https://www.tampafp.com/tampa-bicyclist-killed-in-collision-with-motorized-scooter-on-dale-mabry-highway/


    Early Saturday night on a very busy multilane highway lined with strip
    malls. What could go wrong?

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman

    Sometimes there is resolution, even long after the murder:

    https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/driver-charged-dui-deadly-hit-and-run-bicyclist-lake-county/

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From Roger Merriman@21:1/5 to Catrike Ryder on Mon Mar 10 14:01:23 2025
    Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

    Tampa Bicyclist Killed In Collision With Motorized Scooter On Dale
    Mabry Highway

    https://www.tampafp.com/tampa-bicyclist-killed-in-collision-with-motorized-scooter-on-dale-mabry-highway/


    Early Saturday night on a very busy multilane highway lined with strip
    malls. What could go wrong?

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman


    Roads really should be useable for all traffic, if it’s designed for one
    type of vehicle, I’m guessing that folks don’t keep to the 45/50MPH as US has so few speed cameras, and well big road lots of lanes, it will feel
    safe to drive quite a lot faster.

    Is a road like that near me minus the strip malls, that used to have speed cameras ie fixed ones, though that just ment folks panic braked at them, so average speed cameras have been installed which have calmed it down, and
    it’s a much more pleasant road to drive on now.

    Would appear that this is some E scooter than has run into the back of
    bike, and since the cyclist is dead only have her word on it, though really
    if you run into the back of someone very difficult to make any defence of
    your driving/riding.

    I’d take a stab and suggest she wasn’t traveling at 20mph the speed limit for Florida I’m also guessing they aren’t physically limited to that.

    Roger Merriman

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  • From Catrike Ryder@21:1/5 to Roger Merriman on Mon Mar 10 10:34:29 2025
    On 10 Mar 2025 14:01:23 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

    Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

    Tampa Bicyclist Killed In Collision With Motorized Scooter On Dale
    Mabry Highway

    https://www.tampafp.com/tampa-bicyclist-killed-in-collision-with-motorized-scooter-on-dale-mabry-highway/


    Early Saturday night on a very busy multilane highway lined with strip
    malls. What could go wrong?

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman


    Roads really should be useable for all traffic, if its designed for one
    type of vehicle, Im guessing that folks dont keep to the 45/50MPH as US
    has so few speed cameras, and well big road lots of lanes, it will feel
    safe to drive quite a lot faster.

    Is a road like that near me minus the strip malls, that used to have speed >cameras ie fixed ones, though that just ment folks panic braked at them, so >average speed cameras have been installed which have calmed it down, and
    its a much more pleasant road to drive on now.

    Would appear that this is some E scooter than has run into the back of
    bike, and since the cyclist is dead only have her word on it, though really >if you run into the back of someone very difficult to make any defence of >your driving/riding.

    Id take a stab and suggest she wasnt traveling at 20mph the speed limit
    for Florida Im also guessing they arent physically limited to that.

    Roger Merriman

    "20mph the speed limit for Florida?????" No such thing on streets and
    roads.

    In suspect the speed limit on that section of Dale Mabry is 50 MPH. I
    suspect also, the average driving speed is much faster. Been a while
    since I was there. Many restaurants and strip malls with vehicles
    entering and leaving and jockeying for lanes changes.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman

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  • From Roger Merriman@21:1/5 to Catrike Ryder on Mon Mar 10 16:39:37 2025
    Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
    On 10 Mar 2025 14:01:23 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

    Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

    Tampa Bicyclist Killed In Collision With Motorized Scooter On Dale
    Mabry Highway

    https://www.tampafp.com/tampa-bicyclist-killed-in-collision-with-motorized-scooter-on-dale-mabry-highway/


    Early Saturday night on a very busy multilane highway lined with strip
    malls. What could go wrong?

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman


    Roads really should be useable for all traffic, if it’s designed for one
    type of vehicle, I’m guessing that folks don’t keep to the 45/50MPH as US >> has so few speed cameras, and well big road lots of lanes, it will feel
    safe to drive quite a lot faster.

    Is a road like that near me minus the strip malls, that used to have speed >> cameras ie fixed ones, though that just ment folks panic braked at them, so >> average speed cameras have been installed which have calmed it down, and
    it’s a much more pleasant road to drive on now.

    Would appear that this is some E scooter than has run into the back of
    bike, and since the cyclist is dead only have her word on it, though really >> if you run into the back of someone very difficult to make any defence of
    your driving/riding.

    I’d take a stab and suggest she wasn’t traveling at 20mph the speed limit >> for Florida I’m also guessing they aren’t physically limited to that.

    Roger Merriman

    "20mph the speed limit for Florida?????" No such thing on streets and
    roads.

    In suspect the speed limit on that section of Dale Mabry is 50 MPH. I
    suspect also, the average driving speed is much faster. Been a while
    since I was there. Many restaurants and strip malls with vehicles
    entering and leaving and jockeying for lanes changes.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman


    Was a E Scooter crashing into a bike, no car etc involved if you read the article.

    So the speed limit wouldn’t be the posted limit on the roads but the
    maximum that a e-scooter in Florida is supposed to do, which apparently is 20mph, which personally I feel is touch high for any of these active travel type things ie something that might be expected legally or otherwise to be
    used on pavement or other shared spaces and so on.

    Roger Merriman

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  • From Catrike Ryder@21:1/5 to Roger Merriman on Mon Mar 10 13:54:58 2025
    On 10 Mar 2025 16:39:37 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

    Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
    On 10 Mar 2025 14:01:23 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

    Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

    Tampa Bicyclist Killed In Collision With Motorized Scooter On Dale
    Mabry Highway

    https://www.tampafp.com/tampa-bicyclist-killed-in-collision-with-motorized-scooter-on-dale-mabry-highway/


    Early Saturday night on a very busy multilane highway lined with strip >>>> malls. What could go wrong?

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman


    Roads really should be useable for all traffic, if it?s designed for one >>> type of vehicle, I?m guessing that folks don?t keep to the 45/50MPH as US >>> has so few speed cameras, and well big road lots of lanes, it will feel
    safe to drive quite a lot faster.

    Is a road like that near me minus the strip malls, that used to have speed >>> cameras ie fixed ones, though that just ment folks panic braked at them, so >>> average speed cameras have been installed which have calmed it down, and >>> it?s a much more pleasant road to drive on now.

    Would appear that this is some E scooter than has run into the back of
    bike, and since the cyclist is dead only have her word on it, though really >>> if you run into the back of someone very difficult to make any defence of >>> your driving/riding.

    I?d take a stab and suggest she wasn?t traveling at 20mph the speed limit >>> for Florida I?m also guessing they aren?t physically limited to that.

    Roger Merriman

    "20mph the speed limit for Florida?????" No such thing on streets and
    roads.

    In suspect the speed limit on that section of Dale Mabry is 50 MPH. I
    suspect also, the average driving speed is much faster. Been a while
    since I was there. Many restaurants and strip malls with vehicles
    entering and leaving and jockeying for lanes changes.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman


    Was a E Scooter crashing into a bike, no car etc involved if you read the >article.

    So the speed limit wouldnt be the posted limit on the roads but the
    maximum that a e-scooter in Florida is supposed to do, which apparently is >20mph, which personally I feel is touch high for any of these active travel >type things ie something that might be expected legally or otherwise to be >used on pavement or other shared spaces and so on.

    Roger Merriman

    It all depends on the nature of the scooter. It's not a speed limit,
    but the power must be shut off when it reaches a certain speed. For
    some scooters, that's 28 MPH and for others, it's 30. If a person can
    pedal it at 30+ MPH, there's no law against it.

    I didn't see what type of scooter was in that cite.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman

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  • From Roger Merriman@21:1/5 to Catrike Ryder on Mon Mar 10 19:07:11 2025
    Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
    On 10 Mar 2025 16:39:37 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

    Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
    On 10 Mar 2025 14:01:23 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

    Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

    Tampa Bicyclist Killed In Collision With Motorized Scooter On Dale
    Mabry Highway

    https://www.tampafp.com/tampa-bicyclist-killed-in-collision-with-motorized-scooter-on-dale-mabry-highway/


    Early Saturday night on a very busy multilane highway lined with strip >>>>> malls. What could go wrong?

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman


    Roads really should be useable for all traffic, if it?s designed for one >>>> type of vehicle, I?m guessing that folks don?t keep to the 45/50MPH as US >>>> has so few speed cameras, and well big road lots of lanes, it will feel >>>> safe to drive quite a lot faster.

    Is a road like that near me minus the strip malls, that used to have speed >>>> cameras ie fixed ones, though that just ment folks panic braked at them, so
    average speed cameras have been installed which have calmed it down, and >>>> it?s a much more pleasant road to drive on now.

    Would appear that this is some E scooter than has run into the back of >>>> bike, and since the cyclist is dead only have her word on it, though really
    if you run into the back of someone very difficult to make any defence of >>>> your driving/riding.

    I?d take a stab and suggest she wasn?t traveling at 20mph the speed limit >>>> for Florida I?m also guessing they aren?t physically limited to that.

    Roger Merriman

    "20mph the speed limit for Florida?????" No such thing on streets and
    roads.

    In suspect the speed limit on that section of Dale Mabry is 50 MPH. I
    suspect also, the average driving speed is much faster. Been a while
    since I was there. Many restaurants and strip malls with vehicles
    entering and leaving and jockeying for lanes changes.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman


    Was a E Scooter crashing into a bike, no car etc involved if you read the
    article.

    So the speed limit wouldn’t be the posted limit on the roads but the
    maximum that a e-scooter in Florida is supposed to do, which apparently is >> 20mph, which personally I feel is touch high for any of these active travel >> type things ie something that might be expected legally or otherwise to be >> used on pavement or other shared spaces and so on.

    Roger Merriman

    It all depends on the nature of the scooter. It's not a speed limit,
    but the power must be shut off when it reaches a certain speed. For
    some scooters, that's 28 MPH and for others, it's 30. If a person can
    pedal it at 30+ MPH, there's no law against it.

    I didn't see what type of scooter was in that cite.

    Article says motorised scooter which, seems to be what Florida legislation calls the E scooters.

    <https://www.flhsmv.gov/driver-licenses-id-cards/motorcycle-rider-education-endorsements/motorcycle-motor-scooter-moped-and-motorized-scooter/#:~:text=“Motorized%20Scooter”%20per%20section%20316.003,per%20hour%20on%20level%20ground.>

    Ie not a E bike or moped but one of the powered Scooters you stand on
    holding the bars like the kids toys, they are not legal to use in UK still which is a bit daft as well they are fairly common to see.

    And as ever once the hype dies down they are generally a non issue.
    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman


    Roger Merriman

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