On 3/14/2025 12:19 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I guess due to my comments here and elszwhere I seem to have arroused the curiosity of a CEO who is interested in jnterviewing me for a position. if hired that would end mowt orf my posting since unlike FlunkyI'll believe it when I see really good evidence.
But until then: If you actually communicate with the company by email,
etc. PLEASE slow down, try harder to hit the proper keys on your
keyboard, use spellcheck and have someone else proofread everything
before you send it.
If my department hiring committee were looking for a full time
professor, or if I were hiring a part timer, we'd reject anyone whose communications included words like "elszwhere" or "arroused" or "jnterviewing" OR "mowt orf."
On 3/14/2025 3:06 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/14/2025 12:19 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I guess due to my comments here and elszwhere I seem to have arrousedI'll believe it when I see really good evidence.
the curiosity of a CEO who is interested in jnterviewing me for a
position. if hired that would end mowt orf my posting since unlike Flunky
But until then: If you actually communicate with the company by email,
etc. PLEASE slow down, try harder to hit the proper keys on your
keyboard, use spellcheck and have someone else proofread everything
before you send it.
If my department hiring committee were looking for a full time
professor, or if I were hiring a part timer, we'd reject anyone whose communications included words like "elszwhere" or "arroused" or "jnterviewing" OR "mowt orf."
We've had this discussion before. Tommy doesn't think spelling or
grammar are of any considerable value when job hunting.
Just out of curiosity, what does a "productive engineer" do?
--
Cheers,
Quick mental exercise
take the term "productive xxxxx" where "xxxxx" is any profession you
wish, then consider what a person in that profession would need to do in order to qualify as "productive".
I'm really getting tired of doing homework for you, tommy, and the dumbass.
On Sat, 15 Mar 2025 14:23:42 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 3/15/2025 9:28 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/14/2025 10:02 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
If my department hiring committee were looking for a full time
professor, or if I were hiring a part timer, we'd reject anyone whose >>>>> communications included words like "elszwhere" or "arroused" or
"jnterviewing" OR "mowt orf."
After all, there is nothing more important than correct spelling on a >>>> newsgroup.
Most of us here handle that with barely a thought.
John is always misspelling "college" as "collage" (which is an artwork >>> assembled from parts) and I've seen many people confuse "loose" and
"lose", but their mistakes are a tiny fraction of yours.
It makes a person wonder whether you have very low standards, or
whether you're incapable of normal accuracy. Either possibility is
probably fatal for a job application.
We'll see, I guess. Let us know when you're _actually_ working and
getting paid by this company. If you don't, we can discuss whether the >>> "offer" was only as real as the dent in your top tube, or whether they >>> ultimately rejected you.
While I do notice usage, grammar and spelling (I read the newspaper pen
in hand) such as errant or superfluous apostrophes, who/whom, the all
too common 'indexes' for 'indices' and so on, drawing attention to
others' writing eccentricities is usually picayune and borders on snarky. >>
Except when there's some shared humor to be found!
I almost always ignore misspellings here. It does require a bit of self >control, because my work history makes the "correction" reflex strong.
Part of my job was to correct and grade student work, and I corrected
_all_ of it. Even for a solution to a mathematical problem, if a student >misspelled a word, I'd circle it.
Note that I've never bothered to correct John's "collage" even though he >spells it that way every time.
Vaguely related: Among the private emails Jobst and I traded, there were >two times he offered me advice on English sentence structure, when he >thought I could have expressed myself better. I was, shall we say, bemused.
Years ago, a woman read one of my books, or at least part of one. She
claimed to be a professional developmental/content editor and wanted permission to copy several pages of that book and edit if for free. Presumably to convince me to hire her At that point the book had been proofread and didn't need a proofreader/copy editor.
He version added tons of what I call garbage content, including way
too many descriptions of places and characters.
I wasn't going to hire her anyway....
I want my stories to move fast. I do my best to follow Hemingway's
advice...
....leave out unnecessary words and leave out information that the
reader can figure out for themselves.
On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 17:01:59 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Remember when Liebermann and Flunky demanded me to "prove" I was an engineer by showing how many patents I had?
I did no such things. I don't demand. I politely ask.
I do recall searching the US patent and trademark office database for "Kunich". 59 hits, none of them resembling Tom Kunich or Thomas
Kunich.
<https://ppubs.uspto.gov/pubwebapp/static/pages/ppubsbasic.html>
Don't you ever get tired of lying? <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question>
On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 16:51:41 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
I often did some of my best work while sleeping
On 3/16/2025 6:12 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 16:51:41 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
I often did some of my best work while sleeping
I'm sure you still do.
LOL
[]'s
That's because he couldn't fuck anything up when he was asleep
On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 16:04:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 3/16/2025 3:05 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 14:29:33 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
Education is a good thing. It's the schools and the teachers that have >>> become the problem.
In about 1967, while I was a student in college, I overheard an
(electronics) instructor remark
"This would be a nice place to work if it weren't for students".
Above other (often valid) criticisms, the modern ( last 40
years or so) trends of as many or more 'administrative
staff' as instructors tells me it's leaning toward 'racket'
not 'mission'.
I've seen the school my father attended in his 1st and maybe 2nd
grades, a one room shack, taught, managed and apparently providing
living space for a single teacher for grades 1 - 4.
Then they sold the farm and moved to town.
Students don't attend college to learn much that will later be useful.
At best, students learn the basics. After graduation, students are
expected to continue their education by gaining real world experience
in their chosen field. Many graduates fail to survive the shock of
the transition from the basics, to doing something useful, for which
an employer might consider worthy of paying a salary.
I'm not going to attempt to assign the blame or offer solutions for
the problem. Well, maybe just a small attempt. (Frank will probably
hate me). Most colleges are designed to manufacture academics who
will eventually become teachers. It's a safe solution for those who
fail to survive the shock of transition from basics to being
productive. For what it's worth, I learned far more from instructors
who had extensive industry experience than from those who teach by and
from the book.
My college motto was "Learn by Doing". My version was "Learn by
Destroying". You don't understand something until you've torn it
apart to see how it works and then repaired it: <https://www.cpp.edu/polyadvantage/application-of-knowledge.shtml>
Education isn't an accomplishment, it's a tool.
Benjamin Franklin was brilliant. It's been pointed out that his science accomplishments alone would have won Nobel Prizes had they existed.
But any modern American is a fool if he says "Franklin was great and he learned it all himself. So I don't need no schooling."
On 3/16/2025 4:28 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Education isn't an accomplishment, it's a tool.
It's both. Education can't be simply given to a person. It can be
greatly helped by a competent teacher, but the person still has to work
to achieve it. Doing that successfully is an accomplishment.
What's odd is that this discussion group has a few denizens who think
they can accomplish just as much without that tool.
In modern parlance, they actually are the tools.
On 3/16/2025 10:50 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 19:49:06 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri Mar 14 15:06:06 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/14/2025 12:19 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I guess due to my comments here and elszwhere I seem to have arroused the curiosity of a CEO who is interested in jnterviewing me for a position. if hired that would end mowt orf my posting since unlike FlunkyI'll believe it when I see really good evidence.
But until then: If you actually communicate with the company by email, >>> etc. PLEASE slow down, try harder to hit the proper keys on your
keyboard, use spellcheck and have someone else proofread everything
before you send it.
If my department hiring committee were looking for a full time
professor, or if I were hiring a part timer, we'd reject anyone whose
communications included words like "elszwhere" or "arroused" or
"jnterviewing" OR "mowt orf."
After all, there is nothing more important than correct spelling on a newsgroup.
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On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 23:33:09 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 3/16/2025 4:23 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Students don't attend college to learn much that will later be useful.
At best, students learn the basics. ...
I'm not going to attempt to assign the blame or offer solutions for
the problem. Well, maybe just a small attempt. (Frank will probably
hate me). Most colleges are designed to manufacture academics who
will eventually become teachers.
Perhaps that's true. I can't speak for "most colleges" and I have close >knowledge about only a few fields of study, based on my experiences,
those of my kids and siblings. IOW, a small sample. Engineering,
chemistry, computer science, nursing and poetry.
So you may be correct about majors such as history, political science, >philosophy, art appreciation etc. But based on that small sample of
field I listed, I'd say you're wrong.
About my program, you're 100% flat wrong about the "designed to
manufacture academics." As one piece of evidence, we rarely offered
junior and senior level courses in the daytime. Why? Because by the time >they were juniors, most of our students were already employed in their >field at least part time. That's largely why I ended up teaching so many >evening courses.
Ok, I'm wrong. I guess things have changed when I wasn't watching.
"Education was once the No. 1 major for college students. Now it's an afterthought." <https://www.cbsnews.com/news/education-majors-colleges-decline-teacher-pay/> "Even as the population of college students has increased by 150%
since 1970, the number of bachelor's degrees in education has
plummeted by almost 50% - a steeper drop than that for English,
literature and foreign language majors."
Or, maybe the college students I've known follow a different star. All
I have to offer is anecdotal evidence. The San Lorenzo Valley tends
to attract students because it's a low income housing area. Few of
them have jobs. I'm a member of two local amateur radio clubs, and a
Linux computer club. These tend to attract UCSC students and
graduates. I know two graduates who went on to obtain their
doctorates and are now doing some kind of teaching at UCSC.
And to get specific: I developed our Robotics course and laboratory in >1986, when industrial robots were first beginning to surge. We used real >industrial robots (not laboratory toys or online virtual robots) and I >attended a robotics school along with a roomful of engineers from Ford.
I consulted with them about what our course should contain, and as
always I consulted with our Industrial Advisory Committee. One major
piece of advice was to NOT build a course on how to design robots, or
the details of the mathematical transforms used to control the robot's
many joints, etc. The advice was to put heavy emphasis on how to use a >purchased robot in practical ways to get a task done robotically. (As I >told my students: There may have been a few dozen engineers in the U.S >designing robots. There would probably be need for thousands of
engineers who knew how to use them.)
And indeed, the wife of one of my graduates (they married when both were >seniors in my program) came back to visit and explained how her husband
had gotten great recognition in his company when he took over and
succeeded at a robotics project that a previous engineer had called >"Impossible." Her husband told her "It's exactly like the big project we >did in Krygowski's lab!"
Of course a person must not stop learning upon graduation. But as the
wife of another graduate relayed to me, "My husband said 'Krygowski
taught us how to learn.'"
I know there are engineering programs that study robotics more as >theoretical systems. We were purposely much more practical. The same >philosophy was at work in the rest of our curriculum.
Sorry, but I have very limited experience with robotics (CNC) and
can't really comment on robotics.
I can't give as much detail about the other degrees and educations
earned by other family members and listed above. I won't compromise
their privacy, but I'll note that each of the people is professionally >successful in their field (even the poet) and could not have had that >success without their education.
True. A diploma, a good education and relevant experience makes
success and higher earnings far more likely.
<https://www.umassglobal.edu/news-and-events/blog/how-college-impacts-salary-and-future-earning-potential>
"According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor, bachelor?s degree holders earn
68% more than those with only a high school diploma."
"Earnings and Unemployment rates by educational attainment, 2023" <https://www.bls.gov/careeroutlook/2024/data-on-display/education-pays.htm>
Again, I agree education is a tool. But a workman who attacks a job
without the necessary tool is likely to be damned inefficient.
Education can also be a weapon. Education can be used for the general
good and for personal benefit. However, it can also be used for evil
and personal detriment. For example, I consider working on military
devices and weapons of mass destruction to be in the latter category.
Drivel: I have a headache and need to stop writing.
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 14:10:39 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 22:40:26 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> >wrote:
Education can also be a weapon. Education can be used for the general >>good and for personal benefit. However, it can also be used for evil
and personal detriment. For example, I consider working on military >>devices and weapons of mass destruction to be in the latter category.
Why ever did you immigrate to the U.S. At war with someone.some where
for 90% or more of their history. Even Israel has to stretch to keep
up with them :-)
Immigration to US wasn't my decision. I was 5 or 6 years old when my
parents dragged me kicking and screaming to the land where the streets
are paved with gold. Actually, after WWII and the concentration
camps, the US looked much better than all the other countries that had
been trashed by WWII. Almost every displaced Jew wanted to relocate
to Israel after WWII. Most of my relatives went to Israel. A few
idiots went back to Poland or worse. The problem was that the British "owned" Israel and didn't like the idea of a mass Jewish exodus to the promised land. They didn't allow immigration to Israel until 1948,
the year I was born:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine>
What's different about US wars is that most of them involved fighting
someone else's war or revolution as a result of entangled alliances.
Other countries had the same problem, but were generally smart enough
to default on their promises when the results of a war or revolution
were not guaranteed.
Drivel: I have a headache and need to stop writing.
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 15:20:39 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun Mar 16 19:12:07 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 16:51:41 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
I often did some of my best work while sleeping
My wife has nightmares while I solve problems.
I'm sure she does.I hope your solutions don't cause any damage
that can't be repaired,
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 19:05:24 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
The people I was working for gave me an award for being an official egg-head. Flunky simply has egg on his face.
What manner of animal hatched from your egg-head? <https://www.google.com/search?q=Dodo&udm=2>
Is this how you incubated your egg-head? <https://www.google.com/search?q=head%20up%20ass&udm=2>
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 12:06:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 3/17/2025 12:03 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 11:35:21 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 3/17/2025 11:07 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/17/2025 10:30 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/16/2025 10:01 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/16/2025 4:28 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Education isn't an accomplishment, it's a tool.
It's both. Education can't be simply given to a person.
It can be greatly helped by a competent teacher, but the
person still has to work to achieve it. Doing that
successfully is an accomplishment.
What's odd is that this discussion group has a few
denizens who think they can accomplish just as much
without that tool.
In modern parlance, they actually are the tools.
I don't think it's binary or Manichean.? That is, both or
all can be true in different examples.
Examples abound of both autodidacts with gaping holes in
their repertoire (me) and others who accomplished much
from the same background (Franklin).
Benjamin Franklin was brilliant. It's been pointed out that
his science accomplishments alone would have won Nobel
Prizes had they existed.
But any modern American is a fool if he says "Franklin was
great and he learned it all himself. So I don't need no
schooling."
Right, that would be a logical leap in most cases.
Still and all, situations, capacity, attitude and resources
vary so much that a certificate or a degree may not hold a
good return for everyone.
Again this is the difference between education broadly and
certification specifically. No one wants a heart surgeon or
structural engineer who sorta gets the general idea in his
field:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-BpW_cM7iYc
I very clearly remember the moment when I reached awareness. It was in
fourth grade and I was assigned a couple of pages of long division,
which I was ordered to copy out of the book and "<LOL> solve.... I
did a couple and then it hit me. I know how to do this and doing it
over and over serves no purpose. That's when I started ignoring the
assignments and going ahead in the book on my own. I did very little
homework from that day on, but I did well on all the tests. The
ignorant teachers insisted on basing too much of the grades on the
"daily work, instead of simply how much was learned. I think it hurt
their feelings that I ignored their instructions.
Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting. Yeah, I
know that wouldn't work for doctors, nurses, and dentists, but those
kinds of professions are too restrictive for me anyway.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Good point, and you understand the difference. See also
airplane mechanics.
"Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting."
Airplane mechanic?
And the pilots don't complain? ():-)
Good point, and you understand the difference. See also
airplane mechanics.
"Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting."
Airplane mechanic?
And the pilots don't complain? ():-)
I never worked on an airplane, but I wrenched on cars and trucks and
boats and tractors and snowmobiles and motorcycles and bicycles. I
didn't need a school teacher for any of that.
On 3/17/2025 1:43 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 09:37:34 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
I do understand that last argument, but in our actual real
world a nation with insufficient defense quickly becomes not
a nation at all; dead or enslaved.
US defense is as full of corruption, self dealing, waste and
inefficiency as everything else (such as road building or
the education racket or the Medical Billing racket) but
defense is still necessary, despite inefficiency.
I agree. It's difficult to win an argument (or a war) from a position
of weakness. That was the logic from the Cold War era, where the
country or bloc with the most atomic bombs would inevitably "win".
That translated into which bloc could spend the most on weapons. The
Cold War ended when the Eastern bloc ran out of money (and credit).
The argument still holds validity, but the players seem to have agreed
to limit the scale and scope of arms buildup. Whether that will
insure peace any better than uncontrolled military buildup is
uncertain. I'm not worried about nations armed with atomic weapons.
I'm worried about smaller nations inventing ways to weaponize
literally everything.
Hopefully, I won't live long enough to see the next war. It probably
won't be pretty. I don't know how to stop a trend that started with tribalism and seems to be growing out of control. The next war will
not have any winners.
Great example.
The principle is correct (a competent defense is absolutely
necessary). The application was flawed (your phrase: ...the
country or bloc with the most atomic bombs would
inevitably "win".)
Turns out that is not exactly correct. With the explosion of
innovation and widespread adoption of computer systems and
software all across and through US society shocked the
Soviets and Mr Reagan's bluff of space-based defense (we
were nowhere near creating such at the time) forced the issue.
And yes, I absolutely agree that psychopathic ideologies
bent on death and destruction armed with advanced biological
or nuclear weapons will be a daunting game changer. The
Soviets were at least interested in survival.
[note Hamas founding statements linked here recently. Such
thought is not singular nowadays].
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 17:17:25 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
My middle step daughter's child went from practically an idiot to someone that intended to join the FBI
There is nothing lower than "idiot" on the IQ scale**.By
"practically an idiot" did you mean an imbecile? If so, you have my sympathies.
[]'s
** Abandoned for being politically incorrect. Scale is idiot -
imbecile - moron - stuuupid....
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 00:06:48 -0700, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:
On 3/14/2025 12:31 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
<snip>
We've had this discussion before. Tommy doesn't think spelling or
grammar are of any considerable value when job hunting.
It depends on the job. Certainly any professional-level job likely
requires being able to write better than he is able to do. But if it's a >job where all you're doing is simple assembly it's probably okay,
because you're just looking at documentation, not creating it.
I had a contract job last year where documentation was critically
important because the employees doing much of the assembly were not very >technical. Also we were dealing with high voltage DC and high voltage AC >power and it was critical to do thins properly.
):-( and did the "thins" work properly? (:-)
--
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 09:37:40 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 11:36:03 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> >wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:15:20 -0400, Catrike Ryder >><Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
I never understood why some people like to watch people they don't
know play with their balls.... or ride their bicycles.
Sports are battle simulations much like the gladiatorial contests of >>ancient Rome. The only difference is that the participants of today's >>sports contests are more likely to survive. Bicycle races are similar >>except the participants sometimes engage in limited combat. >><https://www.google.com/search?q=bicycle%20jousting&udm=2>
I think you over simplify.
I agree. I was in a hurry to leave for lunch with some friends and
did not have sufficient time to embellish my comments with details and references. So, I just provided my main talking point and ran away.
I well remember tree climbing contests when
I was in grade school and the girls had rope skipping contests.
And the Olympic "games" that dated back to something like 770 BCE were >initially a religious affair.
I believe it is more accurate to say that mankind has an inborn desire
to be first. In whatever activity, not solely war.
I agree. However, the form that this competition takes seem to
parallel similar forms found in warfare. For example, the early
Olympic competition featured athletic games that would all have been
useful in warfare. (Javelin, discus, long jump and hammer). I'm not
sure what you mean by "religious affair". Games and battles have
always included ceremonial requests that the gods provide the
participants with victory or survival.
"Day Three: Sacrifices (Hecatomb) and feast" <https://www.open.edu/openlearn/history-the-arts/the-ancient-olympics-bridging-past-and-present/content-section-7>
We no longer sacrifice 100 bulls at the Olympic Games. Emptying the
treasury of the host city or country is a tolerable substitute.
On 3/20/2025 1:45 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
In the relatively recent past (1897), the bicycle was considered
suitable for military transportation. While not a race, but more an endurance ride to demonstrate the effectiveness of bicycle transport,
the event was basically a military exercise. Whether they prayed
before starting their 1900 mile (3058 km) ride is unknown. <https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-black-buffalo-soldiers-who-biked-across-the-american-west-180980246/>
Hey, let's have none of that DEI stuff here. You're supposed to pretend
black people never existed. Like Jackie Robinson, for example.
On 3/21/2025 6:06 AM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 05:04:16 -0400, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 12:23 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/20/2025 1:45 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
In the relatively recent past (1897), the bicycle was considered
suitable for military transportation. While not a race, but more an >>>> endurance ride to demonstrate the effectiveness of bicycle transport, >>>> the event was basically a military exercise. Whether they prayed
before starting their 1900 mile (3058 km) ride is unknown.
<https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-black-buffalo-soldiers-
who-biked-across-the-american-west-180980246/>
Hey, let's have none of that DEI stuff here. You're supposed to pretend >>> black people never existed. Like Jackie Robinson, for example.
Hey, they aren't pretending he never existed, they're pretending he
wasn't black.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/defense-department-jackie-robinson-military-history-article-was-mistakenly-removed/ar-AA1BfyKN
The ethnic cleansing lead to other "mistakes".
"Besides the Robinson information, the official said other content will
be republished, including the Tuskegee Airmen, the Enola Gay, the Navajo >> Code Talkers, history-making female fighter pilots and the Marines at
Iwo Jima. Enola Gay was the name of a B-29 Superfortress bomber."
Sure, let's pretend institutionalized rascism never existed.
It has probably has always existed and probably always will -"Them
guys over there, they ain't no good!"
But what we're seeing now is official actions to wipe out public access
to information containing some "trigger words" using crude algorithms generated by glorified hackers working for an unelected billionaire. Seriously, we shouldn't read about the "Enola Gay" bomber? Changing URLs
by automatically prefixing them with "dei" if the subjects of the web
pages are black?
That's ignorant bullshit.
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:15 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
(chomp)
But mankind seems to "want" a leader. Even very primitive clans in New >Guinea.
Yep. Some of the worst dictators were hatched during times when
things looked grim. Economic depressions, wars, droughts, invasions, plagues, crop failures, etc all provide real or potential dictators as
a solution to the problems.
"Just give me control of everything and I'll fix everything".
Whatever the cause, bad times seem to give the people a reason to give
power to dictators instead of allowing the chronically ineffective
committees to hammer out a workable compromise.
What I find amusing is how the US leadership is using such problems to promote their agenda. Going into 2024, the economy was in good shape, unemployment was tolerable, inflation was a problem which could be
solved and there was no crisis available that needed a dictator to
solve. The Trump/Musk solution was to create a crisis that only a
genuine dictator could solve. They begin to dismantle the federal
government in the name of "efficiency". They continue to destroy the
federal government until it is completely ineffective (and therefore efficient). In other words, they create a situation from which only a fearless leader can save the country. Of course, the only available dictators available are Trump and Musk who will surely offer their
services to fix the problems they had caused.
Or maybe the individual states secede from the union in disgust and
form their own independent states. Instant balkanization.
Wake me up when the nightmare is over:
<https://logwork.com/countdown-h5o4>
And tommy read out three libraries
(More bragging without evidence)
And note the Floriduh response: "Omigod, the sky is falling!!!
Everything is terrible, terrible, terrible!"
So much fear.
The price of eggs has gone down.
They were much better than they are now, unless you believe in
the (now perfectly admissible) #FAKE_NEWS.
Corporate #FAKE_NEWS is now known as "free speech". Meta,
Alphabet, X .... You have to watch EU news to see what's really
happening ...
Bit worried about my Tesla shares ... how are sales in Europe?
I think Jeff Liebermann has been watching some real news. Poor
guy. He's become a victim of depressive realism. Which DOES exist,
even if "freedom of speech" assures you it does not.
Yup, The big acceleration started under the Bush administration with the
TARP act, continued along the same trend then eased slightly under
Obama, took another sharp increase under trump (covid pandemic) the
eased again slightly under Biden. Trump added more non-covid debt that
the entire debt added by Biden.
https://www.crfb.org/papers/trump-and-biden-national-debt
Crime was rampant and criminals were being turned loose to commit
another crime.
nope, just more magatard pabulum
https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/
Drugs were killing people at an astounding rate.
Astounding, yes, but on the decline under Biden https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2025/2025-cdc-reports-decline-in-us-drug-overdose-deaths.html
Billions of dollars were being spent to take care of the influx of
illegals.
Yup, and now billions are being sent to expel them. Let's watch the
price of fruit the next harvest season.
The government is spending billions of dollars to lease
unused building.
Yup, about 2 according to the GAO.
https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-23-107060
The USA is sending billions of dollars to unknown
people in foreign countries while we have people living in makeshift
shelters on the streets.
And if we spent money on the homeless here, you'd bitch about that too.
The President of the USA had no idea what his
handlers were signing into law with a signing machine.
Yup https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-donald-trump-use-autopen-jan-6-pardons-2046401
Men were
allowed to invade women's athletics and wave their dicks around at
them in locker rooms.
No, they weren't.
Wars were killing people all around the globe.
Which continues unabated
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgezypn3nzo
https://peoplesdispatch.org/2025/03/20/israel-continues-to-strike-syria-while-expanding-its-land-incursions/
World leaders who want to destroy the USA are on the verge of getting
nuclear weapons.
The same usual suspects for decades. Nothing new.
Better than now, with an unelected billionaire taking over government buildings by force.
Yeah sure, things were in good shape?
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/19/doge-institute-peace-staff-resistance-00238488
We'll see how happy you are when Musk decides you don't deserve your
social security or medicare.
Yup, those of us who chose not to live in a world of willful ignorance
and propaganda sanitized with right-wing spunk.
On 3/21/2025 8:40 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/20/2025 11:33 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Apparently the far right still maintains its world view by ignoring
all relevant facts it dislikes.
An universal trait, across all ideologies.
I strongly disagree. "Univeral" seems to imply "everybody" of "all ideologies." I think complete dismissal of facts is far, far more common
on the right.
What's more common universally is to disagree on the relative importance
of various bits of data. And there were long periods in U.S. history
when that was the main subject of disputes - which data set is more significant? Which facts should get more attention? Which issues are
more important?
We're far beyond that now, at least with the right wing. Once a Trump administration invented "alternative facts" verifiable data went out the window. The right now has a strong tendency to blatantly invent "facts"
to justify its ideas. Vance essentially confessed to that, regarding
small town Ohio pets being eaten by immigrants, claiming it was OK to
"create stories" - IOW, outright lie. Musk is "finding" billions and
billions of dollars of fraud that regularly disappears whenever anyone
else looks into the details.
Your efforts today are less blatant, but related: "Here's _one_ glacier
that grew, so we should ignore the immense worldwide shrinking of almost
all glaciers." And "Land here is slowly sinking, so we should ignore worldwide satellite measurements showing oceans rising."
Frank has done little more then express opinions and ask questions. It's
you and the floriduh dumbass attempting to control him,
Drink your own medicine, dumbass.
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