• Re: Fake Job Offers

    From Roger Merriman@21:1/5 to Frank Krygowski on Sun Mar 16 18:57:50 2025
    Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    On 3/16/2025 12:24 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    What appeared to be a job offer from a CEO was really a phony counterfeit...

    I think none of us expected it was real. Except you, of course.

    We cannot deny that education is the key to success but education
    actually worked for is a lot better than education supposedly received
    when actually avoiding the draft and paying not the slightest attention
    to anything that he hadn't already taught himself as a high school student.

    You have absolutely no concept of what goes into an engineering
    education. "Actually working for" an engineering educatoin requires
    thousands of hours of difficult and intense study. At least half of
    those beginning as engineering majors can't hack it and flunk out, drop
    out or change majors.

    And you, Tom, would never have met the entrance requirements.

    Does seem to line up with something Neurological happening with Tom, aka
    being easily convinced.

    My brain can’t work out intent well now, so I tend to be cautious at least with money and so on.

    Essentially do nothing until one is sure that one has worked out the
    meaning and ask for help.

    Roger Merriman

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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 16 14:00:58 2025
    On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 16:24:05 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    What appeared to be a job offer from a CEO was really a phony counterfeit in which a company was claiming that if you invested $500 into an AI company they could return you $5,000 in one month.

    More likely the job offer never existed and you conjured the incident
    to fortify your claims that a college diploma is worthless.

    I have told you before that AI is no such thing and this person did a very long and round about conversation about my previous work history etc. before something that stupid was said. So beware of anyone claiming to be Elon Musk etc. because CEO's do
    not have time to ask personal questions.

    True. All but one of my employment and consulting gigs was by
    referral from someone in the company. None were the CEO, but all but
    one held positions in company management. The only person I know who
    was personally hired by the company president turned out to be an
    imposter.

    Luckily this sort of thing would not happen to Liebermann because he doesn't have any investment capital.

    True. I have enough money to live comfortably, but not enough to risk
    the capital on investments. Unfortunately, inflation had severely
    devalued my savings. Investing might have helped, but I'm not willing
    to take the risks involved.

    In a way this is good but I would wish that Liebermann had been more successful and with a whole lot more common sense since he would be easily manipulated simply by telling him that I was against this form of investment.

    I don't understand what you're trying to say. Are you claiming that
    I'm gullible and therefore a poor investor? There's no connection
    that I can see.

    Likewise with Krygowski who is quite anti-investment as befits people that don't have much excess capital. I would be surprised if Flunky was making enough to put food on the table.

    As a natural skeptic I am always on the lookout for frauds. The fact that people would insist that a college degreed idiot would be considered more educated than a self trained engineer is so preposterous one has to ask them to prove it by requiring
    college graduates to pass an SAT to graduate. Most of them couldn't. Most colleges have ceased requiring SATs because public schooled students cannot pass them.

    You're not even a self-trained engineer. Over the years, you've
    demonstrated a general lack of computational and analytical abilities
    in many aspects of engineering, electronics, physics, finance, etc.
    Maybe you can program microprocessor firmware, but in engineering,
    you're not sufficiently educated. Still pushing your claim that PWM
    is used to test cables? Have you fixed your arithmetic for counting
    the percentage of votes for each party in the 2024 election?

    I like this amazing fact:
    08/14/2023 <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/kWFZ7_kUImI/m/ASDKnmbMBAAJ> "the best measure of horsepower is speed"
    Horsepower is a measure of power, which is the rate at which work is
    done.

    Let's remember that Flunky told us that he has an EE but he couldn't understand a simple C program that did nothing but flash lights. And it was explained in the comments! While Frank did hold a useful and necessary position, he too had problems working
    a real job. Should we say that these people were better educated than someone who became wealthy being asigned jobs by PhD's who managed them?

    Ummm... I'm an EE and I don't know how to program in C. Are you
    saying that in order to be considered an engineer, C programming is a
    required skill?

    We cannot deny that education is the key to success but education actually worked for is a lot better than education supposedly received when actually avoiding the draft and paying not the slightest attention to anything that he hadn't already taught
    himself as a high school student.

    Gibberish. I can't decode that mess. Instead of comma splice (with
    the commas missing), write something that can be understood.

    So I almost fell for a scam but could tell a scam from the real thing as soon as it was p-laced. Don't let yourself be conned in the same manner.

    Not a problem. I don't believe anything you say so I'm not likely to
    be mislead by someone claiming to rub elbows with CEO's, politicians, investment brokers and VIP's.

    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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  • From zen cycle@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Mon Mar 17 08:36:46 2025
    On 3/16/2025 12:24 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    What appeared to be a job offer from a CEO was really a phony counterfeit in which a company was claiming that if you invested $500 into an AI company they could return you $5,000 in one month.

    Gee, ya don't say!

    <snipped self-aggrandizing bullshit>

    Let's remember that Flunky told us that he has an EE but he couldn't understand a simple C program that did nothing but flash lights.

    Let's remember that no matter how many times you tell that lie, it will
    never become true.

    And it was explained in the comments!

    The same comments which listed the microcontroller and peripheral A/D
    part numbers, which you were completely unaware was contained in the
    comments, and couldn't explain why an external 24-bit A/D was used when
    the 10-bit A/D integral to the microcontroller would have been more than accurate enough for the application.

    Even a technician worth half a shit would have seen that, but it was
    news to tommy, who allegedly wrote the code.

    While Frank did hold a useful and necessary position, he too had problems working a real job.

    no, he didn't. That's another kunich lie. The person who had problems
    working real jobs is the guy that has 20 jobs listed over 20 years on
    his resume.

    Should we say that these people were better educated than someone who became wealthy being asigned jobs by PhD's who managed them?

    And who would that be? The same guy whose been claiming make over $10K a
    month on a million dollar investment for the past 5 years that's still
    only worth a million?


    We cannot deny that education is the key to success but education actually worked for is a lot better than education supposedly received when actually avoiding the draft and paying not the slightest attention to anything that he hadn't already taught
    himself as a high school student.

    And who would that be? The same guy that joined the airforce to avoid
    the draft, didn't "realize" he had enough credits to graduate high
    school so he took the military GED, then claims to have "read out" three libraries?


    So I almost fell for a scam but could tell a scam from the real thing as soon as it was p-laced. Don't let yourself be conned in the same manner.

    I'm gonna make a general statement and suggest no one in this forum
    besides you would have even gotten past the point where someone claiming
    to be a CEO called them with a job offer.

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  • From zen cycle@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Mon Mar 17 08:37:31 2025
    On 3/16/2025 2:46 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Sun Mar 16 13:40:34 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 3/16/2025 12:24 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    What appeared to be a job offer from a CEO was really a phony counterfeit...

    I think none of us expected it was real. Except you, of course.

    We cannot deny that education is the key to success but education actually worked for is a lot better than education supposedly received when actually avoiding the draft and paying not the slightest attention to anything that he hadn't already taught
    himself as a high school student.

    You have absolutely no concept of what goes into an engineering
    education. "Actually working for" an engineering educatoin requires
    thousands of hours of difficult and intense study. At least half of
    those beginning as engineering majors can't hack it and flunk out, drop
    out or change majors.

    And you, Tom, would never have met the entrance requirements.




    oor little Franky searching for importance in his life and not finding it.

    Silly little tommy still inventing his life.

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  • From zen cycle@21:1/5 to Roger Merriman on Mon Mar 17 08:39:16 2025
    On 3/16/2025 2:57 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
    Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    On 3/16/2025 12:24 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    What appeared to be a job offer from a CEO was really a phony counterfeit...

    I think none of us expected it was real. Except you, of course.

    We cannot deny that education is the key to success but education
    actually worked for is a lot better than education supposedly received
    when actually avoiding the draft and paying not the slightest attention
    to anything that he hadn't already taught himself as a high school student. >>
    You have absolutely no concept of what goes into an engineering
    education. "Actually working for" an engineering educatoin requires
    thousands of hours of difficult and intense study. At least half of
    those beginning as engineering majors can't hack it and flunk out, drop
    out or change majors.

    And you, Tom, would never have met the entrance requirements.

    Does seem to line up with something Neurological happening with Tom, aka being easily convinced.

    If you read back to the earlier days of this forum before he claims to
    have been injured, he was just as much of an arrogant asshole.


    My brain can’t work out intent well now, so I tend to be cautious at least with money and so on.

    Essentially do nothing until one is sure that one has worked out the
    meaning and ask for help.

    Roger Merriman


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  • From Roger Merriman@21:1/5 to zen cycle on Mon Mar 17 14:10:20 2025
    zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 3/16/2025 2:57 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
    Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    On 3/16/2025 12:24 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    What appeared to be a job offer from a CEO was really a phony counterfeit...

    I think none of us expected it was real. Except you, of course.

    We cannot deny that education is the key to success but education
    actually worked for is a lot better than education supposedly received >>>> when actually avoiding the draft and paying not the slightest attention >>>> to anything that he hadn't already taught himself as a high school student.

    You have absolutely no concept of what goes into an engineering
    education. "Actually working for" an engineering educatoin requires
    thousands of hours of difficult and intense study. At least half of
    those beginning as engineering majors can't hack it and flunk out, drop
    out or change majors.

    And you, Tom, would never have met the entrance requirements.

    Does seem to line up with something Neurological happening with Tom, aka
    being easily convinced.

    If you read back to the earlier days of this forum before he claims to
    have been injured, he was just as much of an arrogant asshole.

    That I’ve been told, and I can well believe!

    And realistically it’s something folks kinda need to workout by themselves, ie pause think is this true?

    I default to no or at least I’ll get back to you? Or with Faceblindness knowing that false positives are common, if I mildly recognise someone, I essentially say “ok brain you recognise them? From where? How do you recognise?”

    Mind you other times folks come up and know my name and family and I
    haven’t a clue who they are such is life!

    I think that with Tom both can be true, the one doesn’t need to exclude the other and so on.

    Ie even if true doesn’t excuse being an Arse!

    My brain can’t work out intent well now, so I tend to be cautious at least >> with money and so on.

    Essentially do nothing until one is sure that one has worked out the
    meaning and ask for help.

    Roger Merriman




    Roger Merriman

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to zen cycle on Mon Mar 17 09:49:21 2025
    On 3/17/2025 7:36 AM, zen cycle wrote:
    On 3/16/2025 12:24 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    What appeared to be a job offer from a CEO was really a
    phony counterfeit in which a company was claiming that if
    you invested $500 into an AI company they could return you
    $5,000 in one month.

    Gee, ya don't say!

    <snipped self-aggrandizing bullshit>

    Let's remember that Flunky told us that he has an EE but
    he couldn't understand a simple C program that did nothing
    but flash lights.

    Let's remember that no matter how many times you tell that
    lie, it will never become true.

     And it was explained in the comments!

    The same comments which listed the microcontroller and
    peripheral A/D part numbers, which you were completely
    unaware was contained in the comments, and couldn't explain
    why an external 24-bit A/D was used when the 10-bit A/D
    integral to the microcontroller would have been more than
    accurate enough for the application.

    Even a technician worth half a shit would have seen that,
    but it was news to tommy, who allegedly wrote the code.

    While Frank did hold a useful and necessary position, he
    too had problems working a real job.

    no, he didn't. That's another kunich lie. The person who had
    problems working real jobs is the guy that has 20 jobs
    listed over 20 years on his resume.

    Should we say that these people were better educated than
    someone who became wealthy being asigned jobs by PhD's who
    managed them?

    And who would that be? The same guy whose been claiming make
    over $10K a month on a million dollar investment for the
    past 5 years that's still only worth a million?


    We cannot deny that education is the key to success but
    education actually worked for is a lot better than
    education supposedly received when actually avoiding the
    draft and paying not the slightest attention to anything
    that he hadn't already taught himself as a high school
    student.

    And who would that be? The same guy that joined the airforce
    to avoid the draft, didn't "realize" he had enough credits
    to graduate high school so he took the military GED, then
    claims to have "read out" three libraries?


    So I almost fell for a scam but could tell a scam from the
    real thing as soon as it was p-laced. Don't let yourself
    be conned in the same manner.

    I'm gonna make a general statement and suggest no one in
    this forum besides you would have even gotten past the point
    where someone claiming to be a CEO called them with a job
    offer.


    My standard response to spam calls is, "We're happy to help.
    Can we start with your personal card number and home
    shipping address?".

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From Catrike Ryder@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Mon Mar 17 11:28:01 2025
    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 09:49:21 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 3/17/2025 7:36 AM, zen cycle wrote:
    On 3/16/2025 12:24 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    What appeared to be a job offer from a CEO was really a
    phony counterfeit in which a company was claiming that if
    you invested $500 into an AI company they could return you
    $5,000 in one month.

    Gee, ya don't say!

    <snipped self-aggrandizing bullshit>

    Let's remember that Flunky told us that he has an EE but
    he couldn't understand a simple C program that did nothing
    but flash lights.

    Let's remember that no matter how many times you tell that
    lie, it will never become true.

    And it was explained in the comments!

    The same comments which listed the microcontroller and
    peripheral A/D part numbers, which you were completely
    unaware was contained in the comments, and couldn't explain
    why an external 24-bit A/D was used when the 10-bit A/D
    integral to the microcontroller would have been more than
    accurate enough for the application.

    Even a technician worth half a shit would have seen that,
    but it was news to tommy, who allegedly wrote the code.

    While Frank did hold a useful and necessary position, he
    too had problems working a real job.

    no, he didn't. That's another kunich lie. The person who had
    problems working real jobs is the guy that has 20 jobs
    listed over 20 years on his resume.

    Should we say that these people were better educated than
    someone who became wealthy being asigned jobs by PhD's who
    managed them?

    And who would that be? The same guy whose been claiming make
    over $10K a month on a million dollar investment for the
    past 5 years that's still only worth a million?


    We cannot deny that education is the key to success but
    education actually worked for is a lot better than
    education supposedly received when actually avoiding the
    draft and paying not the slightest attention to anything
    that he hadn't already taught himself as a high school
    student.

    And who would that be? The same guy that joined the airforce
    to avoid the draft, didn't "realize" he had enough credits
    to graduate high school so he took the military GED, then
    claims to have "read out" three libraries?


    So I almost fell for a scam but could tell a scam from the
    real thing as soon as it was p-laced. Don't let yourself
    be conned in the same manner.

    I'm gonna make a general statement and suggest no one in
    this forum besides you would have even gotten past the point
    where someone claiming to be a CEO called them with a job
    offer.


    My standard response to spam calls is, "We're happy to help.
    Can we start with your personal card number and home
    shipping address?".

    I set my phone so it doesn't answer any number that is not on my
    contact list. I understand that you cannot do that, but it saves me a
    lot of grief. It doesn't reject texts nor voice mails, so I still get
    a little spam, but I don't have to engage them. My wife, who does not
    maintain a good contact list, simply answers a call but doesn't say
    anything. Recorded spam needs a voice to respond to, so most of them
    simply hang up. I don't have time to do that.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to zen cycle on Mon Mar 17 11:06:44 2025
    On 3/17/2025 7:36 AM, zen cycle wrote:
    On 3/16/2025 12:24 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    What appeared to be a job offer from a CEO was really a
    phony counterfeit in which a company was claiming that if
    you invested $500 into an AI company they could return you
    $5,000 in one month.

    Gee, ya don't say!

    <snipped self-aggrandizing bullshit>

    Let's remember that Flunky told us that he has an EE but
    he couldn't understand a simple C program that did nothing
    but flash lights.

    Let's remember that no matter how many times you tell that
    lie, it will never become true.

     And it was explained in the comments!

    The same comments which listed the microcontroller and
    peripheral A/D part numbers, which you were completely
    unaware was contained in the comments, and couldn't explain
    why an external 24-bit A/D was used when the 10-bit A/D
    integral to the microcontroller would have been more than
    accurate enough for the application.

    Even a technician worth half a shit would have seen that,
    but it was news to tommy, who allegedly wrote the code.

    While Frank did hold a useful and necessary position, he
    too had problems working a real job.

    no, he didn't. That's another kunich lie. The person who had
    problems working real jobs is the guy that has 20 jobs
    listed over 20 years on his resume.

    Should we say that these people were better educated than
    someone who became wealthy being asigned jobs by PhD's who
    managed them?

    And who would that be? The same guy whose been claiming make
    over $10K a month on a million dollar investment for the
    past 5 years that's still only worth a million?


    We cannot deny that education is the key to success but
    education actually worked for is a lot better than
    education supposedly received when actually avoiding the
    draft and paying not the slightest attention to anything
    that he hadn't already taught himself as a high school
    student.

    And who would that be? The same guy that joined the airforce
    to avoid the draft, didn't "realize" he had enough credits
    to graduate high school so he took the military GED, then
    claims to have "read out" three libraries?


    So I almost fell for a scam but could tell a scam from the
    real thing as soon as it was p-laced. Don't let yourself
    be conned in the same manner.

    I'm gonna make a general statement and suggest no one in
    this forum besides you would have even gotten past the point
    where someone claiming to be a CEO called them with a job
    offer.



    Not only. Here's the latest scumbag technique:

    https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2025/03/fake-captcha-websites-hijack-your-clipboard-to-install-information-stealers

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From Catrike Ryder@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Mon Mar 17 12:14:07 2025
    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 11:06:44 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 3/17/2025 7:36 AM, zen cycle wrote:
    On 3/16/2025 12:24 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    What appeared to be a job offer from a CEO was really a
    phony counterfeit in which a company was claiming that if
    you invested $500 into an AI company they could return you
    $5,000 in one month.

    Gee, ya don't say!

    <snipped self-aggrandizing bullshit>

    Let's remember that Flunky told us that he has an EE but
    he couldn't understand a simple C program that did nothing
    but flash lights.

    Let's remember that no matter how many times you tell that
    lie, it will never become true.

    And it was explained in the comments!

    The same comments which listed the microcontroller and
    peripheral A/D part numbers, which you were completely
    unaware was contained in the comments, and couldn't explain
    why an external 24-bit A/D was used when the 10-bit A/D
    integral to the microcontroller would have been more than
    accurate enough for the application.

    Even a technician worth half a shit would have seen that,
    but it was news to tommy, who allegedly wrote the code.

    While Frank did hold a useful and necessary position, he
    too had problems working a real job.

    no, he didn't. That's another kunich lie. The person who had
    problems working real jobs is the guy that has 20 jobs
    listed over 20 years on his resume.

    Should we say that these people were better educated than
    someone who became wealthy being asigned jobs by PhD's who
    managed them?

    And who would that be? The same guy whose been claiming make
    over $10K a month on a million dollar investment for the
    past 5 years that's still only worth a million?


    We cannot deny that education is the key to success but
    education actually worked for is a lot better than
    education supposedly received when actually avoiding the
    draft and paying not the slightest attention to anything
    that he hadn't already taught himself as a high school
    student.

    And who would that be? The same guy that joined the airforce
    to avoid the draft, didn't "realize" he had enough credits
    to graduate high school so he took the military GED, then
    claims to have "read out" three libraries?


    So I almost fell for a scam but could tell a scam from the
    real thing as soon as it was p-laced. Don't let yourself
    be conned in the same manner.

    I'm gonna make a general statement and suggest no one in
    this forum besides you would have even gotten past the point
    where someone claiming to be a CEO called them with a job
    offer.



    Not only. Here's the latest scumbag technique:

    https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2025/03/fake-captcha-websites-hijack-your-clipboard-to-install-information-stealers

    I've been getting a scam involving tool road fees almost daily for a
    week. They come in texts so they make it on my phone where I delete
    and report them.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman

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  • From Roger Merriman@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Mon Mar 17 16:21:28 2025
    cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Sun Mar 16 18:57:50 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
    Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    On 3/16/2025 12:24 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    What appeared to be a job offer from a CEO was really a phony counterfeit...

    I think none of us expected it was real. Except you, of course.

    We cannot deny that education is the key to success but education
    actually worked for is a lot better than education supposedly received >>>> when actually avoiding the draft and paying not the slightest attention >>>> to anything that he hadn't already taught himself as a high school student.

    You have absolutely no concept of what goes into an engineering
    education. "Actually working for" an engineering educatoin requires
    thousands of hours of difficult and intense study. At least half of
    those beginning as engineering majors can't hack it and flunk out, drop
    out or change majors.

    And you, Tom, would never have met the entrance requirements.

    Does seem to line up with something Neurological happening with Tom, aka
    being easily convinced.

    My brain can?t work out intent well now, so I tend to be cautious at least >> with money and so on.

    Essentially do nothing until one is sure that one has worked out the
    meaning and ask for help.





    Being easily convinced of what? That direct questions about my experience with AI were to lead up to a scam? I have no idea what you do for a
    living but is someone that qppears to be a prospective employer were to
    ask you questions directly related to your work would you find it
    authentic if they asked them? I was asked 20 questions or more before
    this scam was attempted. Since real engineers are pretty much gone from California (even Abbott has asked me to go to work as an embedded systems engineer) should I be somehow labled a fool for believing that what
    appears to be an interview was eventually a scam?


    You’re retired aren’t you? And yet get an out of the blue job offer? That alone should ring red flags! Unless it’s some firm whose employee knows of you.

    Head hunting can and does happen but kinda needs folks with rather
    particular skills which seems unlikely for yourself.

    Elon musk apparently can save me money on my bills, though he probably
    should be looking at Tesla stock and sales quite frankly! Or apparently my iCloud account will be frozen, and few free MOT’s and so on having a quick glance at my junk folder.

    Roger Merriman

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Frank Krygowski on Mon Mar 17 11:58:41 2025
    On 3/17/2025 11:50 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 3/17/2025 10:49 AM, AMuzi wrote:

    My standard response to spam calls is, "We're happy to
    help.  Can we start with your personal card number and
    home shipping address?".

    I once used "My friend the police chief may be interested.
    Can I give him your contact information?"



    +1

    My employee offers, "You'll need to call our main office"
    and gives them the number for police dispatch.

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From Catrike Ryder@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Mon Mar 17 13:06:17 2025
    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 11:58:41 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 3/17/2025 11:50 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 3/17/2025 10:49 AM, AMuzi wrote:

    My standard response to spam calls is, "We're happy to
    help. Can we start with your personal card number and
    home shipping address?".

    I once used "My friend the police chief may be interested.
    Can I give him your contact information?"



    +1

    My employee offers, "You'll need to call our main office"
    and gives them the number for police dispatch.

    Of course that doesn't inhibit them. I simply ignore them. It takes
    less of my valuable time.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman

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  • From Roger Merriman@21:1/5 to Frank Krygowski on Mon Mar 17 17:11:45 2025
    Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    On 3/17/2025 10:49 AM, AMuzi wrote:

    My standard response to spam calls is, "We're happy to help.  Can we
    start with your personal card number and home shipping address?".

    I once used "My friend the police chief may be interested. Can I give
    him your contact information?"



    There is video somewhere on the socials of them calling a Sheriff which is fairly amusing!

    Roger Merriman

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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 17 12:10:18 2025
    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 15:31:53 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    (even Abbott has asked me to go to work as an embedded systems engineer)

    I might believe that when you add Abbott Labs to your online resume.

    should I be somehow labled a fool for believing that what appears to be an interview was eventually a scam?

    Nice of you to ask. No, you can believe anything you want or find
    convenient. You can lie to yourself as much as you want. However,
    spraying lies about what appears to be a fabrication all over RBT
    labels you a fool or worse.


    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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  • From zen cycle@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Tue Mar 18 06:07:12 2025
    On 3/17/2025 11:41 AM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Mon Mar 17 08:39:16 2025 zen cycle wrote:

    If you read back to the earlier days of this forum before he claims to
    have been injured, he was just as much of an arrogant asshole.




    Flunky's definition of arrogance - someone who has actually done real work and can spot a phony.

    I guess that makes me arrogant.

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  • From zen cycle@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Tue Mar 18 06:09:51 2025
    On 3/17/2025 11:31 AM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Sun Mar 16 18:57:50 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
    Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    On 3/16/2025 12:24 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    What appeared to be a job offer from a CEO was really a phony counterfeit...

    I think none of us expected it was real. Except you, of course.

    We cannot deny that education is the key to success but education
    actually worked for is a lot better than education supposedly received >>>> when actually avoiding the draft and paying not the slightest attention >>>> to anything that he hadn't already taught himself as a high school student.

    You have absolutely no concept of what goes into an engineering
    education. "Actually working for" an engineering educatoin requires
    thousands of hours of difficult and intense study. At least half of
    those beginning as engineering majors can't hack it and flunk out, drop
    out or change majors.

    And you, Tom, would never have met the entrance requirements.

    Does seem to line up with something Neurological happening with Tom, aka
    being easily convinced.

    My brain can?t work out intent well now, so I tend to be cautious at least >> with money and so on.

    Essentially do nothing until one is sure that one has worked out the
    meaning and ask for help.





    Being easily convinced of what? That direct questions about my experience with AI were to lead up to a scam? I have no idea what you do for a living but is someone that qppears to be a prospective employer were to ask you questions directly related to
    your work would you find it authentic if they asked them? I was asked 20 questions or more before this scam was attempted. Since real engineers are pretty much gone from California (even Abbott has asked me to go to work as an embedded systems engineer)

    more bullshit

    should I be somehow labled a fool for believing that what appears to be an interview was eventually a scam?

    Yes, no one else in this forum would even have answered the initial
    "request" for an interview.

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  • From zen cycle@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Tue Mar 18 06:05:46 2025
    On 3/17/2025 11:54 AM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Mon Mar 17 08:37:31 2025 zen cycle wrote:

    Silly little tommy still inventing his life.




    Since I was a successful electronics engineer I don't have to invent anything.

    no. you weren't.

    I have recommendations on LinkedIn from some important people.

    more dubious claims

    I am reasonably wealthy and the market is likely to take off again whereby I can take my money out of "safe investments" and put it back into growth stocks again and double it still again so that I have money to leave my stepchildren.

    oh, you mean like that 5 year old million dollar investment you have
    that's still only worth a million? (In tommy-world, that's "doubling"!)


    My stepson was impressed enough with my performance that he got an Ms EE and is about to finish his PhD in management.

    Exactly, he saw what a pathetic loser you are with no education and
    realized he had better get one if he ever wanted to be successful. Very
    clearly he isn't related to you.


    What have you ever done?

    Plenty, and I don't need to lie about it.

    You have done so poorly that you don't even have a recommendation on LinkedIn.

    so now recommendations on linked in are the measure of success? Sure
    sparky, you go with that (lol)

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  • From zen cycle@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Tue Mar 18 06:26:29 2025
    On 3/17/2025 12:15 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Mon Mar 17 08:36:46 2025 zen cycle wrote:

    I'm gonna make a general statement and suggest no one in this forum
    besides you would have even gotten past the point where someone claiming
    to be a CEO called them with a job offer.


    And here we see tommy desperately trying to save face from embarrassing
    himself publicly, by completely changing the subject with a litany of fabrications and embellishments:


    The program did nothing but measure a battery charge and display it on lights via a digital output.

    I know tommy, I read it.

    You can claim all day that you knew what it was all about, but you couldn't answer a single question about it at the time.

    No matter how many times you tell that lie, it will never become true,
    much like your insistence that I claimed I rode 200 miles in a day.

    And of course after having it explained to you a dozen times you say that you could have written it yourself.

    Again, a claim I never made.

    I doubt that, even though it was the simplest possible program.

    We know you didn't write it, since you weren't aware of the peripheral A/D.


    What's even funnier is your attempt to cast doubt on the fact that I was injured. Whatever would be your gain from that?

    I never claimed you weren't injured. I suggested it was a result of your
    drunk driving crash.

    That I was really whole and my proclamations during that time, concerning your lies, were absolutely true?

    You have yet to prove I've lied about anything.


    Your problem is that you cannot stand people that can see through you. It hampers your bullshit like your 200 miles in a day rides.

    Since I've never claimed to have ridden 200 miles in a day, it kind of
    hampers your claim that I've lied about anything.

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  • From zen cycle@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Tue Mar 18 06:16:52 2025
    On 3/17/2025 1:06 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Sun Mar 16 14:00:58 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:

    More likely the job offer never existed and you conjured the incident
    to fortify your claims that a college diploma is worthless.


    True. I have enough money to live comfortably, but not enough to risk
    the capital on investments. Unfortunately, inflation had severely
    devalued my savings. Investing might have helped, but I'm not willing
    to take the risks involved.


    I don't understand what you're trying to say. Are you claiming that
    I'm gullible and therefore a poor investor? There's no connection
    that I can see.


    You're not even a self-trained engineer. Over the years, you've
    demonstrated a general lack of computational and analytical abilities
    in many aspects of engineering, electronics, physics, finance, etc.
    Maybe you can program microprocessor firmware, but in engineering,
    you're not sufficiently educated. Still pushing your claim that PWM
    is used to test cables? Have you fixed your arithmetic for counting
    the percentage of votes for each party in the 2024 election?

    I like this amazing fact:
    08/14/2023
    <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/kWFZ7_kUImI/m/ASDKnmbMBAAJ> >> "the best measure of horsepower is speed"
    Horsepower is a measure of power, which is the rate at which work is
    done.


    Ummm... I'm an EE and I don't know how to program in C. Are you
    saying that in order to be considered an engineer, C programming is a
    required skill?


    Gibberish. I can't decode that mess. Instead of comma splice (with
    the commas missing), write something that can be understood.


    Not a problem. I don't believe anything you say so I'm not likely to
    be mislead by someone claiming to rub elbows with CEO's, politicians,
    investment brokers and VIP's.




    Liebermann, word salads get you nowhere.

    Irony alert!!

    Where is your resume and recommendsations? And YES modern electronics is virtually all digital and to be an EE you have to be able to program in C or another major programming language as you have proven with your lack of a career.

    Not necessarily - at least through the generation when Jeff was in the workforce before he went out on his own.


    Since you don't know the difference between a law of physics and application of it, no one should be surprised that you cannot tell that the direct application of horsepower is speed.

    Fine, but that's not what you wrote earlier. I'm sure jeff would agree
    with "[a] direct application of horsepower is speed" rather than
    "the best measure of horsepower is speed"

    Jeff, stop trying to be an expert. You aren't and you're not fooling anyone.

    he isn't fooling anyone because he isn't trying to. You, otoh.


    And pulling a Krygowski and complaijning that I'm not using correct punctuation simply makes you look the fool you are.

    No, it shows you to be incompetent.

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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to funkmasterxx@hotmail.com on Thu Mar 20 14:24:35 2025
    On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 06:16:52 -0400, zen cycle
    <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 3/17/2025 1:06 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Sun Mar 16 14:00:58 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:

    More likely the job offer never existed and you conjured the incident
    to fortify your claims that a college diploma is worthless.


    True. I have enough money to live comfortably, but not enough to risk
    the capital on investments. Unfortunately, inflation had severely
    devalued my savings. Investing might have helped, but I'm not willing
    to take the risks involved.


    I don't understand what you're trying to say. Are you claiming that
    I'm gullible and therefore a poor investor? There's no connection
    that I can see.


    You're not even a self-trained engineer. Over the years, you've
    demonstrated a general lack of computational and analytical abilities
    in many aspects of engineering, electronics, physics, finance, etc.
    Maybe you can program microprocessor firmware, but in engineering,
    you're not sufficiently educated. Still pushing your claim that PWM
    is used to test cables? Have you fixed your arithmetic for counting
    the percentage of votes for each party in the 2024 election?

    I like this amazing fact:
    08/14/2023
    <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/kWFZ7_kUImI/m/ASDKnmbMBAAJ>
    "the best measure of horsepower is speed"
    Horsepower is a measure of power, which is the rate at which work is
    done.


    Ummm... I'm an EE and I don't know how to program in C. Are you
    saying that in order to be considered an engineer, C programming is a
    required skill?


    Gibberish. I can't decode that mess. Instead of comma splice (with
    the commas missing), write something that can be understood.


    Not a problem. I don't believe anything you say so I'm not likely to
    be mislead by someone claiming to rub elbows with CEO's, politicians,
    investment brokers and VIP's.




    Liebermann, word salads get you nowhere.

    Irony alert!!

    Chuckle. Notice that every time I introduce a new buzzword, Tom tries
    to use it against me.
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_salad>
    "A word salad is a "confused or unintelligible mixture of seemingly
    random words and phrases", most often used to describe a symptom of a neurological or mental disorder."

    Where is your resume and recommendsations? And YES modern electronics is virtually all digital and to be an EE you have to be able to program in C or another major programming language as you have proven with your lack of a career.

    Not necessarily - at least through the generation when Jeff was in the >workforce before he went out on his own.

    During the 1970's and 80's, I was told that if I planned to keep my
    job (as an RF engineer), I would need to learn how to program.
    Everyone, including me, went out and bought various personal computers
    for fear that we would soon be obsolete or replaced by a computer.
    Everything will soon be computerized. The problem was that all the
    fear mongering was coming from the trade journals, media, PC
    manufacturers and schools. All of these had a financial interest in
    selling computers and/or computer education courses.

    I bought several computers (TRS-80, Vic-20, XZ80, IBM PC 5150) and
    spent some time fighting their bugs and fixing their problems. I
    eventually asked several people in management if they would hire me to
    do programming instead of RF design. The answer was always " NO and
    why did you ask?" The problem was that they could hire a programmer
    for half my salary and obtain results that were twice as good as my
    best programming. There were also something like hundreds of times
    more programmers available than RF engineers, especially after
    outsourcing to other countries gained traction. I didn't find bidding
    against offshore engineers to be good for long term employment.

    After all that, I successfully resisted most attempts to convince or
    coerce me into doing programming.

    I don't know what the current situation might be as to requiring
    design engineers to do programming. I know it appears often on
    employee and consultant hiring requirements. I did most of my
    consulting between 1981 and about 2010. Having me do programming was
    always involved in discussions, bids and proposals, but was not a
    problem after someone was found to do the necessary programming.

    Since you don't know the difference between a law of physics and application of it, no one should be surprised that you cannot tell that the direct application of horsepower is speed.

    Fine, but that's not what you wrote earlier. I'm sure jeff would agree
    with "[a] direct application of horsepower is speed" rather than
    "the best measure of horsepower is speed"

    Yep. That's what I wrote. Also, "the best measure of horsepower..."
    rather confusing. "Best" implies that there must be more than one way
    to measure horsepower. One can find different instruments to make the measurements, but there is only one way to do the computation:
    Horsepower = Torque x RPM / 5,252

    Jeff, stop trying to be an expert. You aren't and you're not fooling anyone.

    he isn't fooling anyone because he isn't trying to. You, otoh.

    I believe I've mentioned that I am not an expert in anything but that
    I probably know more about engineering than Tom.

    And pulling a Krygowski and complaijning that I'm not using correct punctuation simply makes you look the fool you are.

    No, it shows you to be incompetent.

    The surest sign of incompetence is when someone lies in order to
    disguise his lack of ability.

    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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  • From zen cycle@21:1/5 to Jeff Liebermann on Fri Mar 21 04:39:21 2025
    On 3/20/2025 5:24 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 06:16:52 -0400, zen cycle
    <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 3/17/2025 1:06 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Sun Mar 16 14:00:58 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:

    More likely the job offer never existed and you conjured the incident
    to fortify your claims that a college diploma is worthless.


    True. I have enough money to live comfortably, but not enough to risk >>>> the capital on investments. Unfortunately, inflation had severely
    devalued my savings. Investing might have helped, but I'm not willing >>>> to take the risks involved.


    I don't understand what you're trying to say. Are you claiming that
    I'm gullible and therefore a poor investor? There's no connection
    that I can see.


    You're not even a self-trained engineer. Over the years, you've
    demonstrated a general lack of computational and analytical abilities
    in many aspects of engineering, electronics, physics, finance, etc.
    Maybe you can program microprocessor firmware, but in engineering,
    you're not sufficiently educated. Still pushing your claim that PWM
    is used to test cables? Have you fixed your arithmetic for counting
    the percentage of votes for each party in the 2024 election?

    I like this amazing fact:
    08/14/2023
    <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/kWFZ7_kUImI/m/ASDKnmbMBAAJ>
    "the best measure of horsepower is speed"
    Horsepower is a measure of power, which is the rate at which work is
    done.


    Ummm... I'm an EE and I don't know how to program in C. Are you
    saying that in order to be considered an engineer, C programming is a
    required skill?


    Gibberish. I can't decode that mess. Instead of comma splice (with
    the commas missing), write something that can be understood.


    Not a problem. I don't believe anything you say so I'm not likely to
    be mislead by someone claiming to rub elbows with CEO's, politicians,
    investment brokers and VIP's.




    Liebermann, word salads get you nowhere.

    Irony alert!!

    Chuckle. Notice that every time I introduce a new buzzword, Tom tries
    to use it against me.
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_salad>
    "A word salad is a "confused or unintelligible mixture of seemingly
    random words and phrases", most often used to describe a symptom of a neurological or mental disorder."

    Where is your resume and recommendsations? And YES modern electronics is virtually all digital and to be an EE you have to be able to program in C or another major programming language as you have proven with your lack of a career.

    Not necessarily - at least through the generation when Jeff was in the
    workforce before he went out on his own.

    During the 1970's and 80's, I was told that if I planned to keep my
    job (as an RF engineer), I would need to learn how to program.
    Everyone, including me, went out and bought various personal computers
    for fear that we would soon be obsolete or replaced by a computer.
    Everything will soon be computerized. The problem was that all the
    fear mongering was coming from the trade journals, media, PC
    manufacturers and schools. All of these had a financial interest in
    selling computers and/or computer education courses.

    I bought several computers (TRS-80, Vic-20, XZ80, IBM PC 5150) and
    spent some time fighting their bugs and fixing their problems. I
    eventually asked several people in management if they would hire me to
    do programming instead of RF design. The answer was always " NO and
    why did you ask?" The problem was that they could hire a programmer
    for half my salary and obtain results that were twice as good as my
    best programming. There were also something like hundreds of times
    more programmers available than RF engineers, especially after
    outsourcing to other countries gained traction. I didn't find bidding against offshore engineers to be good for long term employment.

    After all that, I successfully resisted most attempts to convince or
    coerce me into doing programming.

    I don't know what the current situation might be as to requiring
    design engineers to do programming. I know it appears often on
    employee and consultant hiring requirements. I did most of my
    consulting between 1981 and about 2010. Having me do programming was
    always involved in discussions, bids and proposals, but was not a
    problem after someone was found to do the necessary programming.

    Since you don't know the difference between a law of physics and application of it, no one should be surprised that you cannot tell that the direct application of horsepower is speed.

    Fine, but that's not what you wrote earlier. I'm sure jeff would agree
    with "[a] direct application of horsepower is speed" rather than
    "the best measure of horsepower is speed"

    Yep. That's what I wrote. Also, "the best measure of horsepower..."
    rather confusing. "Best" implies that there must be more than one way
    to measure horsepower. One can find different instruments to make the measurements, but there is only one way to do the computation:
    Horsepower = Torque x RPM / 5,252

    Jeff, stop trying to be an expert. You aren't and you're not fooling anyone.

    he isn't fooling anyone because he isn't trying to. You, otoh.

    I believe I've mentioned that I am not an expert in anything but that
    I probably know more about engineering than Tom.

    There isn't any 'probably' about it. I have no idea what must have
    driven those glowing reference letters he has posted on LinkedIn, but it
    sure wasn't tom's level of engineering acumen.


    And pulling a Krygowski and complaijning that I'm not using correct punctuation simply makes you look the fool you are.

    No, it shows you to be incompetent.

    The surest sign of incompetence is when someone lies in order to
    disguise his lack of ability.


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