• wingnuts

    From Roger Merriman@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 17 12:07:03 2025
    While shopping, noticed someone’s “pub” bike was a rather old road bike with wing nuts and quite ornate as well, and a 5 speed block.

    Guessing more to the 1950’s era than 1970’s? Looked dirty and well used but probably was an expensive bike when new?

    Seems that the pace of change was slower then? Mind you I bought a 9 speed
    bike last year which first came to market last century?

    Roger Merriman

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  • From Catrike Ryder@21:1/5 to Roger Merriman on Mon Mar 17 08:27:36 2025
    On 17 Mar 2025 12:07:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

    While shopping, noticed someones pub bike was a rather old road bike
    with wing nuts and quite ornate as well, and a 5 speed block.

    Guessing more to the 1950s era than 1970s? Looked dirty and well used but >probably was an expensive bike when new?

    Seems that the pace of change was slower then? Mind you I bought a 9 speed >bike last year which first came to market last century?

    Roger Merriman


    I notice that Catrike has upgraded their new trikes to 3X10. That
    makes no sense to me. My 3X9 has more combinations than I need or use.
    I briefly considered going to a 2X10 when upgrading my cranks, but
    didn't see any advantage.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman

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  • From Roger Merriman@21:1/5 to Catrike Ryder on Mon Mar 17 13:55:53 2025
    Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
    On 17 Mar 2025 12:07:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

    While shopping, noticed someone’s “pub” bike was a rather old road bike >> with wing nuts and quite ornate as well, and a 5 speed block.

    Guessing more to the 1950’s era than 1970’s? Looked dirty and well used but
    probably was an expensive bike when new?

    Seems that the pace of change was slower then? Mind you I bought a 9 speed >> bike last year which first came to market last century?

    Roger Merriman


    I notice that Catrike has upgraded their new trikes to 3X10. That
    makes no sense to me. My 3X9 has more combinations than I need or use.
    I briefly considered going to a 2X10 when upgrading my cranks, but
    didn't see any advantage.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman


    Get less gaps between cogs which some people really mind others don’t, with my MTB background I’m stereotypically more concerned with the range than
    the gaps.

    10 speed stuff is same price and gives more upgrades options ie
    compatibility with GRX or So on.

    I found the Triple on the 7s CX/Gravel bike I had, really quite annoying ie
    lot of shifting though the chainrings, likewise the old Commute MTB which
    was 3/9s was fine in its intended use ie used as MTB as one tended to drop
    into the granny ring for climbs, and middle for rolling terrain and big
    ring for the downs, but on the commute which is flat as, it did get tedious
    ie either rub the front mech or shift up/down a chainring and then also
    shift up/down on the cassette to maybe do this shortly again!

    It’s much happier as a 1by the absolute range isn’t really important for the commute as heavy as the bike can be, the only hill is a flyover!

    Though has moved from 9s to 10speed and to Cues which has given a bit wider range, and seems generally fuss free.

    I’d of thought that a Triple on the CatTrike where you ride on the trails would be overkill but then again if it doesn’t annoy then meh.

    Roger Merriman

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Roger Merriman on Mon Mar 17 09:47:35 2025
    On 3/17/2025 7:07 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
    While shopping, noticed someone’s “pub” bike was a rather old road bike with wing nuts and quite ornate as well, and a 5 speed block.

    Guessing more to the 1950’s era than 1970’s? Looked dirty and well used but
    probably was an expensive bike when new?

    Seems that the pace of change was slower then? Mind you I bought a 9 speed bike last year which first came to market last century?

    Roger Merriman



    1960s mostly.

    The move from four speed to five was at the beginning of the
    1960s and wing nuts fell away in popularity about 1970/71.

    In the 1950s derailleur models were almost al four speed.

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From Catrike Ryder@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 17 10:57:20 2025
    Written by Mentor WilliamsOn 17 Mar 2025 13:55:53 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

    Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
    On 17 Mar 2025 12:07:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

    While shopping, noticed someone?s ?pub? bike was a rather old road bike
    with wing nuts and quite ornate as well, and a 5 speed block.

    Guessing more to the 1950?s era than 1970?s? Looked dirty and well used but >>> probably was an expensive bike when new?

    Seems that the pace of change was slower then? Mind you I bought a 9 speed >>> bike last year which first came to market last century?

    Roger Merriman


    I notice that Catrike has upgraded their new trikes to 3X10. That
    makes no sense to me. My 3X9 has more combinations than I need or use.
    I briefly considered going to a 2X10 when upgrading my cranks, but
    didn't see any advantage.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman


    Get less gaps between cogs which some people really mind others dont, with >my MTB background Im stereotypically more concerned with the range than
    the gaps.

    10 speed stuff is same price and gives more upgrades options ie
    compatibility with GRX or So on.

    I found the Triple on the 7s CX/Gravel bike I had, really quite annoying ie >lot of shifting though the chainrings, likewise the old Commute MTB which
    was 3/9s was fine in its intended use ie used as MTB as one tended to drop >into the granny ring for climbs, and middle for rolling terrain and big
    ring for the downs, but on the commute which is flat as, it did get tedious >ie either rub the front mech or shift up/down a chainring and then also
    shift up/down on the cassette to maybe do this shortly again!

    Its much happier as a 1by the absolute range isnt really important for
    the commute as heavy as the bike can be, the only hill is a flyover!

    Though has moved from 9s to 10speed and to Cues which has given a bit wider >range, and seems generally fuss free.

    Id of thought that a Triple on the CatTrike where you ride on the trails >would be overkill but then again if it doesnt annoy then meh.

    Roger Merriman

    I used to ride almost entirely on the 53 tooth, but lately, I've
    slowed down and moved to the middle 44 tooth, which before I only used
    on the hilly sections of my ride...

    Yes, there are hills where I sometimes ride, which sometimes required
    using the 30T

    When I slowed down and moved to the 44T, my cranking speed increased.
    My legs do not like 80/85 RPM, but I prefer the 44T to keep on larger
    cogs at the rear and for starting across a highway and where I want to
    move across quickly without shifting the front. I have several road
    crossings on banked curves so I must start up on a grade.

    That was on the 165 mm cranks. My new 175 mm cranks are set up with
    50-38-26 and I expect to be on the 50T most of my rides. If that
    proves to be wrong, I'll take all three of them off and put them on
    the old 165mm cranks, which I think is better suited to me with the
    smaller rings. Those old rings have a lot of miles on them, so I'll
    probably retire them and buy another set.

    I'm curious to see how the difference work out and I might change them
    back and forth a few times...

    I enjoy experimenting and I enjoy doing the work. Lately I've been
    having back trouble which interferes with that work and puts me to
    working on my books. Limiting my bike work to a couple of 1 or 1.5
    hour sessions seems to work for the time being.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman

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  • From Roger Merriman@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Mon Mar 17 15:29:41 2025
    AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
    On 3/17/2025 7:07 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
    While shopping, noticed someone’s “pub” bike was a rather old road bike
    with wing nuts and quite ornate as well, and a 5 speed block.

    Guessing more to the 1950’s era than 1970’s? Looked dirty and well used but
    probably was an expensive bike when new?

    Seems that the pace of change was slower then? Mind you I bought a 9 speed >> bike last year which first came to market last century?

    Roger Merriman



    1960s mostly.

    The move from four speed to five was at the beginning of the
    1960s and wing nuts fell away in popularity about 1970/71.

    In the 1950s derailleur models were almost al four speed.


    Ah cheers! Do get quite a number of old or just interesting bikes around
    here, see a few Moultons now and then, though summer only!

    Roger Merriman

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  • From Roger Merriman@21:1/5 to Catrike Ryder on Mon Mar 17 15:30:36 2025
    Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
    Written by Mentor WilliamsOn 17 Mar 2025 13:55:53 GMT, Roger Merriman
    <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

    Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
    On 17 Mar 2025 12:07:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

    While shopping, noticed someone?s ?pub? bike was a rather old road bike >>>> with wing nuts and quite ornate as well, and a 5 speed block.

    Guessing more to the 1950?s era than 1970?s? Looked dirty and well used but
    probably was an expensive bike when new?

    Seems that the pace of change was slower then? Mind you I bought a 9 speed >>>> bike last year which first came to market last century?

    Roger Merriman


    I notice that Catrike has upgraded their new trikes to 3X10. That
    makes no sense to me. My 3X9 has more combinations than I need or use.
    I briefly considered going to a 2X10 when upgrading my cranks, but
    didn't see any advantage.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman


    Get less gaps between cogs which some people really mind others don’t, with >> my MTB background I’m stereotypically more concerned with the range than
    the gaps.

    10 speed stuff is same price and gives more upgrades options ie
    compatibility with GRX or So on.

    I found the Triple on the 7s CX/Gravel bike I had, really quite annoying ie >> lot of shifting though the chainrings, likewise the old Commute MTB which
    was 3/9s was fine in its intended use ie used as MTB as one tended to drop >> into the granny ring for climbs, and middle for rolling terrain and big
    ring for the downs, but on the commute which is flat as, it did get tedious >> ie either rub the front mech or shift up/down a chainring and then also
    shift up/down on the cassette to maybe do this shortly again!

    It’s much happier as a 1by the absolute range isn’t really important for >> the commute as heavy as the bike can be, the only hill is a flyover!

    Though has moved from 9s to 10speed and to Cues which has given a bit wider >> range, and seems generally fuss free.

    I’d of thought that a Triple on the CatTrike where you ride on the trails >> would be overkill but then again if it doesn’t annoy then meh.

    Roger Merriman

    I used to ride almost entirely on the 53 tooth, but lately, I've
    slowed down and moved to the middle 44 tooth, which before I only used
    on the hilly sections of my ride...

    Yes, there are hills where I sometimes ride, which sometimes required
    using the 30T

    When I slowed down and moved to the 44T, my cranking speed increased.
    My legs do not like 80/85 RPM, but I prefer the 44T to keep on larger
    cogs at the rear and for starting across a highway and where I want to
    move across quickly without shifting the front. I have several road
    crossings on banked curves so I must start up on a grade.

    That was on the 165 mm cranks. My new 175 mm cranks are set up with
    50-38-26 and I expect to be on the 50T most of my rides. If that
    proves to be wrong, I'll take all three of them off and put them on
    the old 165mm cranks, which I think is better suited to me with the
    smaller rings. Those old rings have a lot of miles on them, so I'll
    probably retire them and buy another set.

    I'm curious to see how the difference work out and I might change them
    back and forth a few times...

    I enjoy experimenting and I enjoy doing the work. Lately I've been
    having back trouble which interferes with that work and puts me to
    working on my books. Limiting my bike work to a couple of 1 or 1.5
    hour sessions seems to work for the time being.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman


    One advantage if you did ever go 10s is can get a 36t cassette vs 34t which means there is fair old range within each chain ring, my Gravel bike has
    30/46 chainset which will certainly flatten most road climbs.

    Obviously if one goes 11/12speed etc can get even bigger ranges from the cassette though quite a bit more expensive!

    Roger Merriman

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  • From Catrike Ryder@21:1/5 to Roger Merriman on Mon Mar 17 12:06:22 2025
    On 17 Mar 2025 15:30:36 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

    Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
    Written by Mentor WilliamsOn 17 Mar 2025 13:55:53 GMT, Roger Merriman
    <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

    Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
    On 17 Mar 2025 12:07:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

    While shopping, noticed someone?s ?pub? bike was a rather old road bike >>>>> with wing nuts and quite ornate as well, and a 5 speed block.

    Guessing more to the 1950?s era than 1970?s? Looked dirty and well used but
    probably was an expensive bike when new?

    Seems that the pace of change was slower then? Mind you I bought a 9 speed
    bike last year which first came to market last century?

    Roger Merriman


    I notice that Catrike has upgraded their new trikes to 3X10. That
    makes no sense to me. My 3X9 has more combinations than I need or use. >>>> I briefly considered going to a 2X10 when upgrading my cranks, but
    didn't see any advantage.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman


    Get less gaps between cogs which some people really mind others don?t, with >>> my MTB background I?m stereotypically more concerned with the range than >>> the gaps.

    10 speed stuff is same price and gives more upgrades options ie
    compatibility with GRX or So on.

    I found the Triple on the 7s CX/Gravel bike I had, really quite annoying ie >>> lot of shifting though the chainrings, likewise the old Commute MTB which >>> was 3/9s was fine in its intended use ie used as MTB as one tended to drop >>> into the granny ring for climbs, and middle for rolling terrain and big
    ring for the downs, but on the commute which is flat as, it did get tedious >>> ie either rub the front mech or shift up/down a chainring and then also
    shift up/down on the cassette to maybe do this shortly again!

    It?s much happier as a 1by the absolute range isn?t really important for >>> the commute as heavy as the bike can be, the only hill is a flyover!

    Though has moved from 9s to 10speed and to Cues which has given a bit wider >>> range, and seems generally fuss free.

    I?d of thought that a Triple on the CatTrike where you ride on the trails >>> would be overkill but then again if it doesn?t annoy then meh.

    Roger Merriman

    I used to ride almost entirely on the 53 tooth, but lately, I've
    slowed down and moved to the middle 44 tooth, which before I only used
    on the hilly sections of my ride...

    Yes, there are hills where I sometimes ride, which sometimes required
    using the 30T

    When I slowed down and moved to the 44T, my cranking speed increased.
    My legs do not like 80/85 RPM, but I prefer the 44T to keep on larger
    cogs at the rear and for starting across a highway and where I want to
    move across quickly without shifting the front. I have several road
    crossings on banked curves so I must start up on a grade.

    That was on the 165 mm cranks. My new 175 mm cranks are set up with
    50-38-26 and I expect to be on the 50T most of my rides. If that
    proves to be wrong, I'll take all three of them off and put them on
    the old 165mm cranks, which I think is better suited to me with the
    smaller rings. Those old rings have a lot of miles on them, so I'll
    probably retire them and buy another set.

    I'm curious to see how the difference work out and I might change them
    back and forth a few times...

    I enjoy experimenting and I enjoy doing the work. Lately I've been
    having back trouble which interferes with that work and puts me to
    working on my books. Limiting my bike work to a couple of 1 or 1.5
    hour sessions seems to work for the time being.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman


    One advantage if you did ever go 10s is can get a 36t cassette vs 34t which >means there is fair old range within each chain ring, my Gravel bike has >30/46 chainset which will certainly flatten most road climbs.

    Obviously if one goes 11/12speed etc can get even bigger ranges from the >cassette though quite a bit more expensive!

    Roger Merriman

    I have an 11-36 9 spd cassette.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Roger Merriman on Mon Mar 17 11:26:54 2025
    On 3/17/2025 10:30 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
    Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
    Written by Mentor WilliamsOn 17 Mar 2025 13:55:53 GMT, Roger Merriman
    <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

    Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
    On 17 Mar 2025 12:07:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

    While shopping, noticed someone?s ?pub? bike was a rather old road bike >>>>> with wing nuts and quite ornate as well, and a 5 speed block.

    Guessing more to the 1950?s era than 1970?s? Looked dirty and well used but
    probably was an expensive bike when new?

    Seems that the pace of change was slower then? Mind you I bought a 9 speed
    bike last year which first came to market last century?

    Roger Merriman


    I notice that Catrike has upgraded their new trikes to 3X10. That
    makes no sense to me. My 3X9 has more combinations than I need or use. >>>> I briefly considered going to a 2X10 when upgrading my cranks, but
    didn't see any advantage.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman


    Get less gaps between cogs which some people really mind others don’t, with
    my MTB background I’m stereotypically more concerned with the range than >>> the gaps.

    10 speed stuff is same price and gives more upgrades options ie
    compatibility with GRX or So on.

    I found the Triple on the 7s CX/Gravel bike I had, really quite annoying ie >>> lot of shifting though the chainrings, likewise the old Commute MTB which >>> was 3/9s was fine in its intended use ie used as MTB as one tended to drop >>> into the granny ring for climbs, and middle for rolling terrain and big
    ring for the downs, but on the commute which is flat as, it did get tedious >>> ie either rub the front mech or shift up/down a chainring and then also
    shift up/down on the cassette to maybe do this shortly again!

    It’s much happier as a 1by the absolute range isn’t really important for >>> the commute as heavy as the bike can be, the only hill is a flyover!

    Though has moved from 9s to 10speed and to Cues which has given a bit wider >>> range, and seems generally fuss free.

    I’d of thought that a Triple on the CatTrike where you ride on the trails >>> would be overkill but then again if it doesn’t annoy then meh.

    Roger Merriman

    I used to ride almost entirely on the 53 tooth, but lately, I've
    slowed down and moved to the middle 44 tooth, which before I only used
    on the hilly sections of my ride...

    Yes, there are hills where I sometimes ride, which sometimes required
    using the 30T

    When I slowed down and moved to the 44T, my cranking speed increased.
    My legs do not like 80/85 RPM, but I prefer the 44T to keep on larger
    cogs at the rear and for starting across a highway and where I want to
    move across quickly without shifting the front. I have several road
    crossings on banked curves so I must start up on a grade.

    That was on the 165 mm cranks. My new 175 mm cranks are set up with
    50-38-26 and I expect to be on the 50T most of my rides. If that
    proves to be wrong, I'll take all three of them off and put them on
    the old 165mm cranks, which I think is better suited to me with the
    smaller rings. Those old rings have a lot of miles on them, so I'll
    probably retire them and buy another set.

    I'm curious to see how the difference work out and I might change them
    back and forth a few times...

    I enjoy experimenting and I enjoy doing the work. Lately I've been
    having back trouble which interferes with that work and puts me to
    working on my books. Limiting my bike work to a couple of 1 or 1.5
    hour sessions seems to work for the time being.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman


    One advantage if you did ever go 10s is can get a 36t cassette vs 34t which means there is fair old range within each chain ring, my Gravel bike has 30/46 chainset which will certainly flatten most road climbs.

    Obviously if one goes 11/12speed etc can get even bigger ranges from the cassette though quite a bit more expensive!

    Roger Merriman


    We stock the KMC CS-9 in 11~36, only a couple dollars
    cheaper than the CS-10.

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From Roger Merriman@21:1/5 to Catrike Ryder on Mon Mar 17 16:29:31 2025
    Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
    On 17 Mar 2025 15:30:36 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

    Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
    Written by Mentor WilliamsOn 17 Mar 2025 13:55:53 GMT, Roger Merriman
    <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

    Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
    On 17 Mar 2025 12:07:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>
    While shopping, noticed someone?s ?pub? bike was a rather old road bike >>>>>> with wing nuts and quite ornate as well, and a 5 speed block.

    Guessing more to the 1950?s era than 1970?s? Looked dirty and well used but
    probably was an expensive bike when new?

    Seems that the pace of change was slower then? Mind you I bought a 9 speed
    bike last year which first came to market last century?

    Roger Merriman


    I notice that Catrike has upgraded their new trikes to 3X10. That
    makes no sense to me. My 3X9 has more combinations than I need or use. >>>>> I briefly considered going to a 2X10 when upgrading my cranks, but
    didn't see any advantage.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman


    Get less gaps between cogs which some people really mind others don?t, with
    my MTB background I?m stereotypically more concerned with the range than >>>> the gaps.

    10 speed stuff is same price and gives more upgrades options ie
    compatibility with GRX or So on.

    I found the Triple on the 7s CX/Gravel bike I had, really quite annoying ie
    lot of shifting though the chainrings, likewise the old Commute MTB which >>>> was 3/9s was fine in its intended use ie used as MTB as one tended to drop >>>> into the granny ring for climbs, and middle for rolling terrain and big >>>> ring for the downs, but on the commute which is flat as, it did get tedious
    ie either rub the front mech or shift up/down a chainring and then also >>>> shift up/down on the cassette to maybe do this shortly again!

    It?s much happier as a 1by the absolute range isn?t really important for >>>> the commute as heavy as the bike can be, the only hill is a flyover!

    Though has moved from 9s to 10speed and to Cues which has given a bit wider
    range, and seems generally fuss free.

    I?d of thought that a Triple on the CatTrike where you ride on the trails >>>> would be overkill but then again if it doesn?t annoy then meh.

    Roger Merriman

    I used to ride almost entirely on the 53 tooth, but lately, I've
    slowed down and moved to the middle 44 tooth, which before I only used
    on the hilly sections of my ride...

    Yes, there are hills where I sometimes ride, which sometimes required
    using the 30T

    When I slowed down and moved to the 44T, my cranking speed increased.
    My legs do not like 80/85 RPM, but I prefer the 44T to keep on larger
    cogs at the rear and for starting across a highway and where I want to
    move across quickly without shifting the front. I have several road
    crossings on banked curves so I must start up on a grade.

    That was on the 165 mm cranks. My new 175 mm cranks are set up with
    50-38-26 and I expect to be on the 50T most of my rides. If that
    proves to be wrong, I'll take all three of them off and put them on
    the old 165mm cranks, which I think is better suited to me with the
    smaller rings. Those old rings have a lot of miles on them, so I'll
    probably retire them and buy another set.

    I'm curious to see how the difference work out and I might change them
    back and forth a few times...

    I enjoy experimenting and I enjoy doing the work. Lately I've been
    having back trouble which interferes with that work and puts me to
    working on my books. Limiting my bike work to a couple of 1 or 1.5
    hour sessions seems to work for the time being.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman


    One advantage if you did ever go 10s is can get a 36t cassette vs 34t which >> means there is fair old range within each chain ring, my Gravel bike has
    30/46 chainset which will certainly flatten most road climbs.

    Obviously if one goes 11/12speed etc can get even bigger ranges from the
    cassette though quite a bit more expensive!

    Roger Merriman

    I have an 11-36 9 spd cassette.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman


    Ah apparently so, I believe that Sora, which was the original groupset on
    the Gravel bike the rear mech and and Tiagra wasn’t rated to handle 11-36
    but 11-34 though Shimano are apparently notoriously cautious!

    It has a GRX which is rated plus has Clutch which makes life rather
    quieter!

    Roger Merriman

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  • From Catrike Ryder@21:1/5 to Roger Merriman on Mon Mar 17 12:40:09 2025
    On 17 Mar 2025 16:29:31 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

    Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
    On 17 Mar 2025 15:30:36 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

    Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
    Written by Mentor WilliamsOn 17 Mar 2025 13:55:53 GMT, Roger Merriman >>>>> <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

    Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
    On 17 Mar 2025 12:07:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>>
    While shopping, noticed someone?s ?pub? bike was a rather old road bike >>>>>>> with wing nuts and quite ornate as well, and a 5 speed block.

    Guessing more to the 1950?s era than 1970?s? Looked dirty and well used but
    probably was an expensive bike when new?

    Seems that the pace of change was slower then? Mind you I bought a 9 speed
    bike last year which first came to market last century?

    Roger Merriman


    I notice that Catrike has upgraded their new trikes to 3X10. That
    makes no sense to me. My 3X9 has more combinations than I need or use. >>>>>> I briefly considered going to a 2X10 when upgrading my cranks, but >>>>>> didn't see any advantage.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman


    Get less gaps between cogs which some people really mind others don?t, with
    my MTB background I?m stereotypically more concerned with the range than >>>>> the gaps.

    10 speed stuff is same price and gives more upgrades options ie
    compatibility with GRX or So on.

    I found the Triple on the 7s CX/Gravel bike I had, really quite annoying ie
    lot of shifting though the chainrings, likewise the old Commute MTB which >>>>> was 3/9s was fine in its intended use ie used as MTB as one tended to drop
    into the granny ring for climbs, and middle for rolling terrain and big >>>>> ring for the downs, but on the commute which is flat as, it did get tedious
    ie either rub the front mech or shift up/down a chainring and then also >>>>> shift up/down on the cassette to maybe do this shortly again!

    It?s much happier as a 1by the absolute range isn?t really important for >>>>> the commute as heavy as the bike can be, the only hill is a flyover! >>>>>
    Though has moved from 9s to 10speed and to Cues which has given a bit wider
    range, and seems generally fuss free.

    I?d of thought that a Triple on the CatTrike where you ride on the trails >>>>> would be overkill but then again if it doesn?t annoy then meh.

    Roger Merriman

    I used to ride almost entirely on the 53 tooth, but lately, I've
    slowed down and moved to the middle 44 tooth, which before I only used >>>> on the hilly sections of my ride...

    Yes, there are hills where I sometimes ride, which sometimes required
    using the 30T

    When I slowed down and moved to the 44T, my cranking speed increased.
    My legs do not like 80/85 RPM, but I prefer the 44T to keep on larger
    cogs at the rear and for starting across a highway and where I want to >>>> move across quickly without shifting the front. I have several road
    crossings on banked curves so I must start up on a grade.

    That was on the 165 mm cranks. My new 175 mm cranks are set up with
    50-38-26 and I expect to be on the 50T most of my rides. If that
    proves to be wrong, I'll take all three of them off and put them on
    the old 165mm cranks, which I think is better suited to me with the
    smaller rings. Those old rings have a lot of miles on them, so I'll
    probably retire them and buy another set.

    I'm curious to see how the difference work out and I might change them >>>> back and forth a few times...

    I enjoy experimenting and I enjoy doing the work. Lately I've been
    having back trouble which interferes with that work and puts me to
    working on my books. Limiting my bike work to a couple of 1 or 1.5
    hour sessions seems to work for the time being.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman


    One advantage if you did ever go 10s is can get a 36t cassette vs 34t which >>> means there is fair old range within each chain ring, my Gravel bike has >>> 30/46 chainset which will certainly flatten most road climbs.

    Obviously if one goes 11/12speed etc can get even bigger ranges from the >>> cassette though quite a bit more expensive!

    Roger Merriman

    I have an 11-36 9 spd cassette.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman


    Ah apparently so, I believe that Sora, which was the original groupset on
    the Gravel bike the rear mech and and Tiagra wasnt rated to handle 11-36
    but 11-34 though Shimano are apparently notoriously cautious!

    It has a GRX which is rated plus has Clutch which makes life rather
    quieter!

    Roger Merriman

    My rear derailleur is a SHIMANO DEORE RD-M591.. handles the 36t just
    fine. Maybe a clutched unit would have trouble.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman

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  • From Roger Merriman@21:1/5 to Catrike Ryder on Mon Mar 17 17:15:46 2025
    Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
    On 17 Mar 2025 16:29:31 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

    Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
    On 17 Mar 2025 15:30:36 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

    Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
    Written by Mentor WilliamsOn 17 Mar 2025 13:55:53 GMT, Roger Merriman >>>>>> <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

    Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
    On 17 Mar 2025 12:07:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>>>
    While shopping, noticed someone?s ?pub? bike was a rather old road bike
    with wing nuts and quite ornate as well, and a 5 speed block.

    Guessing more to the 1950?s era than 1970?s? Looked dirty and well used but
    probably was an expensive bike when new?

    Seems that the pace of change was slower then? Mind you I bought a 9 speed
    bike last year which first came to market last century?

    Roger Merriman


    I notice that Catrike has upgraded their new trikes to 3X10. That >>>>>>> makes no sense to me. My 3X9 has more combinations than I need or use. >>>>>>> I briefly considered going to a 2X10 when upgrading my cranks, but >>>>>>> didn't see any advantage.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman


    Get less gaps between cogs which some people really mind others don?t, with
    my MTB background I?m stereotypically more concerned with the range than >>>>>> the gaps.

    10 speed stuff is same price and gives more upgrades options ie
    compatibility with GRX or So on.

    I found the Triple on the 7s CX/Gravel bike I had, really quite annoying ie
    lot of shifting though the chainrings, likewise the old Commute MTB which
    was 3/9s was fine in its intended use ie used as MTB as one tended to drop
    into the granny ring for climbs, and middle for rolling terrain and big >>>>>> ring for the downs, but on the commute which is flat as, it did get tedious
    ie either rub the front mech or shift up/down a chainring and then also >>>>>> shift up/down on the cassette to maybe do this shortly again!

    It?s much happier as a 1by the absolute range isn?t really important for >>>>>> the commute as heavy as the bike can be, the only hill is a flyover! >>>>>>
    Though has moved from 9s to 10speed and to Cues which has given a bit wider
    range, and seems generally fuss free.

    I?d of thought that a Triple on the CatTrike where you ride on the trails
    would be overkill but then again if it doesn?t annoy then meh.

    Roger Merriman

    I used to ride almost entirely on the 53 tooth, but lately, I've
    slowed down and moved to the middle 44 tooth, which before I only used >>>>> on the hilly sections of my ride...

    Yes, there are hills where I sometimes ride, which sometimes required >>>>> using the 30T

    When I slowed down and moved to the 44T, my cranking speed increased. >>>>> My legs do not like 80/85 RPM, but I prefer the 44T to keep on larger >>>>> cogs at the rear and for starting across a highway and where I want to >>>>> move across quickly without shifting the front. I have several road
    crossings on banked curves so I must start up on a grade.

    That was on the 165 mm cranks. My new 175 mm cranks are set up with
    50-38-26 and I expect to be on the 50T most of my rides. If that
    proves to be wrong, I'll take all three of them off and put them on
    the old 165mm cranks, which I think is better suited to me with the
    smaller rings. Those old rings have a lot of miles on them, so I'll
    probably retire them and buy another set.

    I'm curious to see how the difference work out and I might change them >>>>> back and forth a few times...

    I enjoy experimenting and I enjoy doing the work. Lately I've been
    having back trouble which interferes with that work and puts me to
    working on my books. Limiting my bike work to a couple of 1 or 1.5
    hour sessions seems to work for the time being.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman


    One advantage if you did ever go 10s is can get a 36t cassette vs 34t which
    means there is fair old range within each chain ring, my Gravel bike has >>>> 30/46 chainset which will certainly flatten most road climbs.

    Obviously if one goes 11/12speed etc can get even bigger ranges from the >>>> cassette though quite a bit more expensive!

    Roger Merriman

    I have an 11-36 9 spd cassette.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman


    Ah apparently so, I believe that Sora, which was the original groupset on
    the Gravel bike the rear mech and and Tiagra wasn’t rated to handle 11-36 >> but 11-34 though Shimano are apparently notoriously cautious!

    It has a GRX which is rated plus has Clutch which makes life rather
    quieter!

    Roger Merriman

    My rear derailleur is a SHIMANO DEORE RD-M591.. handles the 36t just
    fine. Maybe a clutched unit would have trouble.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman


    Clutch units wouldn’t effect the derailleur capacity as it just keeps the chain taught over rough terrain, ie MTB and now Gravel technology.

    That rear mech is rated for 34t largest but Shimano is as ever rather conservative so I’m not the least bit surprised that it works fine with a 36t!

    Roger Merriman

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