• an irritatingly common occurrence

    From Zen Cycle@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 21 17:11:35 2025
    Lennard Zinn describes the causes and repair process for removing broken
    cables from 11sp Ultegra ST-R8000 and 6800, and various Dura-Ace levers.

    https://lennardzinn.substack.com/p/getting-a-broken-shift-cable-out

    According to Lennard it's "an irritatingly common occurrence".

    Maybe if they used special Campagnolo non-stretch shifter cables it
    wouldn't be a problem?



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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Zen Cycle on Fri Mar 21 16:36:57 2025
    On 3/21/2025 4:11 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
    Lennard Zinn describes the causes and repair process for
    removing broken cables from  11sp Ultegra ST-R8000 and 6800,
    and various Dura-Ace levers.

    https://lennardzinn.substack.com/p/getting-a-broken-shift-
    cable-out

    According to Lennard it's "an irritatingly common occurrence".

    Maybe if they used special Campagnolo non-stretch shifter
    cables it wouldn't be a problem?




    Mr Zinn's right on that point.

    Campagnolo Ergo wires stick one's palm as they start to
    fray, well before failure. It's a very noticeable warning.

    When they do fail (if rider ignores being stuck), the head
    drops straight down out of the lever not "into the works"*
    as STi.

    * tip o' the hat to John Lennon: https://www.alibris.com/A-Spaniard-in-the-Works-John-Lennon/book/6244419?matches=48

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  • From Roger Merriman@21:1/5 to Frank Krygowski on Sat Mar 22 08:10:39 2025
    Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    On 3/21/2025 5:36 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 3/21/2025 4:11 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
    Lennard Zinn describes the causes and repair process for removing
    broken cables from  11sp Ultegra ST-R8000 and 6800, and various Dura-
    Ace levers.

    https://lennardzinn.substack.com/p/getting-a-broken-shift- cable-out

    According to Lennard it's "an irritatingly common occurrence".

    Maybe if they used special Campagnolo non-stretch shifter cables it
    wouldn't be a problem?




    Mr Zinn's right on that point.

    Campagnolo Ergo wires stick one's palm as they start to fray, well
    before failure. It's a very noticeable warning.
    Ditto with my (mostly friction) bar end shifters. :-)


    Sticky shifting is generally when I think hum cables might need replacement
    but I’m likely to ride in and though wetter conditions.

    Roger Merriman

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  • From zen cycle@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 22 23:17:47 2025
    On 3/21/2025 5:36 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 3/21/2025 4:11 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
    Lennard Zinn describes the causes and repair process for removing
    broken cables from  11sp Ultegra ST-R8000 and 6800, and various Dura- >>>> Ace levers.

    https://lennardzinn.substack.com/p/getting-a-broken-shift- cable-out

    According to Lennard it's "an irritatingly common occurrence".

    Maybe if they used special Campagnolo non-stretch shifter cables it
    wouldn't be a problem?

    Mr Zinn's right on that point.

    Campagnolo Ergo wires stick one's palm as they start to fray, well
    before failure. It's a very noticeable warning.

    Which version/models/years are you referring to? I rode Campagnolo
    Chorus 9Sp for many years, never had that experience.

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to zen cycle on Sun Mar 23 09:50:50 2025
    On 3/22/2025 10:17 PM, zen cycle wrote:
    On 3/21/2025 5:36 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 3/21/2025 4:11 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
    Lennard Zinn describes the causes and repair process
    for removing
    broken cables from  11sp Ultegra ST-R8000 and 6800, and
    various Dura-
    Ace levers.

    https://lennardzinn.substack.com/p/getting-a-broken-
    shift- cable-out

    According to Lennard it's "an irritatingly common
    occurrence".

    Maybe if they used special Campagnolo non-stretch
    shifter cables it
    wouldn't be a problem?

    Mr Zinn's right on that point.

    Campagnolo Ergo wires stick one's palm as they start to
    fray, well
    before failure. It's a very noticeable warning.

    Which version/models/years are you referring to? I rode
    Campagnolo Chorus 9Sp for many years, never had that
    experience.

    The wire path is on the outside and the capstan spools under
    the lever, so fraying starts at the outside bottom of your
    palm and although not painful it's noticeable.

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  • From Zen Cycle@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Mon Mar 24 11:11:37 2025
    On 3/23/2025 10:50 AM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 3/22/2025 10:17 PM, zen cycle wrote:
    On 3/21/2025 5:36 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 3/21/2025 4:11 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
    Lennard Zinn describes the causes and repair process for removing
    broken cables from  11sp Ultegra ST-R8000 and 6800, and various Dura- >>>>>> Ace levers.

    https://lennardzinn.substack.com/p/getting-a-broken- shift- cable-out >>>>>>
    According to Lennard it's "an irritatingly common occurrence".

    Maybe if they used special Campagnolo non-stretch shifter cables it >>>>>> wouldn't be a problem?

    Mr Zinn's right on that point.

    Campagnolo Ergo wires stick one's palm as they start to fray, well
    before failure. It's a very noticeable warning.

    Which version/models/years are you referring to? I rode Campagnolo
    Chorus 9Sp for many years, never had that experience.

    The wire path is on the outside and the capstan spools under the lever,
    so fraying starts at the outside bottom of your palm and although not
    painful it's noticeable.


    Is that on the older 9sp stuff as well?

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Zen Cycle on Mon Mar 24 10:29:02 2025
    On 3/24/2025 10:11 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 3/23/2025 10:50 AM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 3/22/2025 10:17 PM, zen cycle wrote:
    On 3/21/2025 5:36 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 3/21/2025 4:11 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
    Lennard Zinn describes the causes and repair process
    for removing
    broken cables from  11sp Ultegra ST-R8000 and 6800,
    and various Dura-
    Ace levers.

    https://lennardzinn.substack.com/p/getting-a-broken-
    shift- cable-out

    According to Lennard it's "an irritatingly common
    occurrence".

    Maybe if they used special Campagnolo non-stretch
    shifter cables it
    wouldn't be a problem?

    Mr Zinn's right on that point.

    Campagnolo Ergo wires stick one's palm as they start
    to fray, well
    before failure. It's a very noticeable warning.

    Which version/models/years are you referring to? I rode
    Campagnolo Chorus 9Sp for many years, never had that
    experience.

    The wire path is on the outside and the capstan spools
    under the lever, so fraying starts at the outside bottom
    of your palm and although not painful it's noticeable.


    Is that on the older 9sp stuff as well?


    Yes, all 8, 9, 10 Ergos from 1992; same wire path.

    The 11, 12, 13 speed (non rebuildable) Ergos have the same
    general layout but the wire path is under a cover so now a
    fraying wire won't stab the operator. A broken head still
    falls straight down, out of the shifter, rather than
    mangling the mechanism as with The Other brand.

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  • From Zen Cycle@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Mon Mar 24 11:55:48 2025
    On 3/24/2025 11:29 AM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 3/24/2025 10:11 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 3/23/2025 10:50 AM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 3/22/2025 10:17 PM, zen cycle wrote:
    On 3/21/2025 5:36 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 3/21/2025 4:11 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
    Lennard Zinn describes the causes and repair process for removing >>>>>>>> broken cables from  11sp Ultegra ST-R8000 and 6800, and various >>>>>>>> Dura-
    Ace levers.

    https://lennardzinn.substack.com/p/getting-a-broken- shift-
    cable-out

    According to Lennard it's "an irritatingly common occurrence". >>>>>>>>
    Maybe if they used special Campagnolo non-stretch shifter cables it >>>>>>>> wouldn't be a problem?

    Mr Zinn's right on that point.

    Campagnolo Ergo wires stick one's palm as they start to fray, well >>>>>>> before failure. It's a very noticeable warning.

    Which version/models/years are you referring to? I rode Campagnolo
    Chorus 9Sp for many years, never had that experience.

    The wire path is on the outside and the capstan spools under the
    lever, so fraying starts at the outside bottom of your palm and
    although not painful it's noticeable.


    Is that on the older 9sp stuff as well?


    Yes, all 8, 9, 10 Ergos from 1992; same wire path.

    The 11, 12, 13 speed (non rebuildable) Ergos have the same general
    layout but the wire path is under a cover so now a fraying wire won't
    stab the operator.  A broken head still falls straight down, out of the shifter, rather than mangling the mechanism as with The Other brand.


    That's interesting, I had Chorus 9sp on my commuter and race rig for
    probably ten years. After I converted my race rig to 10sp I put the
    chorus setup on my cx bike (still there) and raced it for a number of
    years. I've never had an issue with fraying cables. Just luck I guess?

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Zen Cycle on Mon Mar 24 11:36:24 2025
    On 3/24/2025 10:55 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 3/24/2025 11:29 AM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 3/24/2025 10:11 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 3/23/2025 10:50 AM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 3/22/2025 10:17 PM, zen cycle wrote:
    On 3/21/2025 5:36 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 3/21/2025 4:11 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
    Lennard Zinn describes the causes and repair
    process for removing
    broken cables from  11sp Ultegra ST-R8000 and 6800,
    and various Dura-
    Ace levers.

    https://lennardzinn.substack.com/p/getting-a-
    broken- shift- cable-out

    According to Lennard it's "an irritatingly common
    occurrence".

    Maybe if they used special Campagnolo non-stretch
    shifter cables it
    wouldn't be a problem?

    Mr Zinn's right on that point.

    Campagnolo Ergo wires stick one's palm as they start
    to fray, well
    before failure. It's a very noticeable warning.

    Which version/models/years are you referring to? I rode
    Campagnolo Chorus 9Sp for many years, never had that
    experience.

    The wire path is on the outside and the capstan spools
    under the lever, so fraying starts at the outside bottom
    of your palm and although not painful it's noticeable.


    Is that on the older 9sp stuff as well?


    Yes, all 8, 9, 10 Ergos from 1992; same wire path.

    The 11, 12, 13 speed (non rebuildable) Ergos have the same
    general layout but the wire path is under a cover so now a
    fraying wire won't stab the operator.  A broken head still
    falls straight down, out of the shifter, rather than
    mangling the mechanism as with The Other brand.


    That's interesting, I had Chorus 9sp on my commuter and race
    rig for probably ten years. After I converted my race rig to
    10sp I put the chorus setup on my cx bike (still there) and
    raced it for a number of years. I've never had an issue with
    fraying cables. Just luck I guess?


    Here's a frayed Campagnolo wire I replaced yesterday.
    I pulled that wire out of recycling and stuck it in a Chorus
    Ten lever.

    https://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/ergowire.jpg

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