On Fri Mar 21 16:45:38 2025 AMuzi wrote:

On 3/21/2025 4:39 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On 3/21/2025 11:48 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:

(you'll need this whole link to get past the paywall)

I still got stopped by the paywall. :-(

https://www.cyclingnews.com/features/lab-tested-40mm-road-
tyres-are- faster-for-nearly-everyone-and-heres-why/?
utm_term=3F94C1B0-2336-481F-9F48-87A3862079D2&lrh=1e399577e82ec4e44eb4d33bfcaad09d796bd8e1f682e0f7bf32df00ae420a83&utm_campaign=A8C132A5-BD9C-4737-AC90-016639AFEA3E&utm_medium=email&utm_content=42C26C62-AEF4-4540-8653-17C0A3DB0CE6&utm_source=

SmartBrief

CyclingNews compares the latest 40c offering from Pirelli.
It's a long and well-written article, whether you agree
with the findings or not.

email client formatting error. Me too on first try.

I copied and pasted into a text editor then removed the
space after:
are-

and the space after:
why/?

then coped and pasted into Firefox as an unbroken address.

https://www.cyclingnews.com/features/lab-tested-40mm-road-tyres-are-faster-for-nearly-everyone-and-heres-why/?utm_term=3F94C1B0-2336-481F-9F48-87A3862079D2&lrh=1e399577e82ec4e44eb4d33bfcaad09d796bd8e1f682e0f7bf32df00ae420a83&utm_campaign=A8C132A5-BD9C-

4737-AC90-016639AFEA3E&utm_medium=email&utm_content=42C26C62-AEF4-4540-8653-17C0A3DB0CE6&utm_source=SmartBrief




They corrected the bugs in Newshosting after my continuous complaints and it works fine.

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On Sat Mar 22 16:20:32 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 22:10:47 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:

They corrected the bugs in Newshosting after my continuous complaints and it works fine.

So why does your subject line continue to produce garbage like this?

From: cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Job
Offer

Nothing has changed. It's version still 3.2.2, the same as what I
downloaded about 1 year ago: <https://www.newshosting.com/newsreader-download.php>

As usual Lie Bermann believes himself to be the expert on everything. I uoloaded Newshosting 7 years ago and after I got ZERO response on my problems I doiwnloaded a ew version recently. I said this AT THE TIME. So how is it that it seems to have
slipped the mind of the smartest man in the world that has never held a real job and lives on welfare?

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On Mon Jul 21 10:22:05 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jul 2025 14:58:20 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:

On Sat Mar 22 16:20:32 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 22:10:47 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:

They corrected the bugs in Newshosting after my continuous complaints and it works fine.

So why does your subject line continue to produce garbage like this?

From: cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Job
Offer

Nothing has changed. It's version still 3.2.2, the same as what I
downloaded about 1 year ago:
<https://www.newshosting.com/newsreader-download.php>

As usual Lie Bermann believes himself to be the expert on everything. I uoloaded Newshosting 7 years ago and after I got ZERO response on my problems I doiwnloaded a ew version recently. I said this AT THE TIME. So how is it that it seems to have

slipped the mind of the smartest man in the world that has never held a real job and lives on welfare?

I thought you might like to know that four (or more) of your previous postings to rec.bicycles.tech are in response to postings from March,
2025, which is 4 months ago. You might want to adjust the time
dilation compensation on your newsreader as it seems that time rather
slowly for you. I suspect this might be due to excessive downhill
cycling speeds, but without Strava data, I can't be sure.

Poor little Lie Bermann wants proof of what I say. I guess that's just too bad. Tell us what museum you published that picture of sextant and tables while pretending it was yours? Roger would rather be navigated by you and you would gladly lose a ship in
the middle of an ocean asking why there are latitude and longitude markings on the edges of a chart of open ocean.

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On Sat Mar 22 23:10:58 2025 zen cycle wrote:

On 3/22/2025 6:20 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

Again, very good article. Thanks to Zen for calling attention to it.

You're welcome, but sorry for the difficulty people seem to have
encountered with the link. Since it came from my personal account with
them, I futzted with the link a bit until I could find a version I could paste into a "private" browser window and still work, but there must
have been some residual cookies in my system that let it work.

At any rate, yes, there seems to be more and more vindication for wider
tires and the bikes needed to support them as time goes on. It's amazing
how I was brought into the racing world being told skinny high-pressure
tires were the way to go, while older school people back when I started
were pooh poohing the idea. I remember one old codger at the local time
trial in the 1980s saying that skinny tires should only be used on the
track (he was the last guy to show up at the TT with wooden rims). It
seems like we should have taken his word back then.

Wider tires have higher rolling resistance and more aero drag but are nevertheless faster on the majority of paved surfaces. I even road with the Tuesday-Thusday group on a cyclocross bike with 38 mm semi-knobbies and could ride with the fast guys.

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On Sun Mar 23 16:09:15 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:

On 3/22/2025 11:10 PM, zen cycle wrote:

At any rate, yes, there seems to be more and more vindication for wider tires and the bikes needed to support them as time goes on. It's amazing how I was brought into the racing world being told skinny high-pressure tires were the way to go, while older school people back when I started were pooh poohing the idea. I remember one old codger at the local time trial in the 1980s saying that skinny tires should only be used on the track (he was the last guy to show up at the TT with wooden rims). It
seems like we should have taken his word back then.

AFAIK, the trend toward accepting the benefits of wider tires was
started by Jan Heine with his coast down tests on outdoor soapbox derby tracks. He pointed out that those tests were more representative of real world riding than were the smooth rolling drum tests of the day. And he
was inspired to do the tests by his fascination with French
randonneuring bikes of the '50s and '60s.

The speed benefits are usually explained by less energy transmitted to
the rider's flesh, where it is lost (and adds discomfort). In this
forum, I remember Jobst rather fiercely defending rolling drum data, and saying that those energy losses should not be considered part of rolling resistance.

That may be a semantic argument. It's clear those losses are real, and
they need to be considered _somewhere_.

Jobst was ery opinionated and was usually right. But usually is not always. And this riding away from someone with his 23 mm high pressue tires did not prove their superiority. He rode away from all of us also with 23 mm 120 psi tires.

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