• Garmin 945 free ride difference

    From Mark J cleary@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 24 11:15:43 2025
    Now that I have worked with using my Garmin 945 for indoor smart
    training option I notice this happen today.

    I had done all my non-erg mode riding, that is called free ride on the
    Garmin 945, with the incline resistance set to 1. Apparently it equates
    to 1% incline if riding outside. Notice that the best I could manage for
    a 20-30 mile ride was about 14-15 mph. Watts calculate should be accurate.

    This morning I did the free ride and put the resistance to 0 zero so in
    effect flat. I manage 17 mph for 28 miles and produced 137 watts
    according to metrics. I have a Flux 2 trainer. This compares to
    yesterday when I rode in the erg mode and set power at 135. I finished
    that ride with 144 watts average and 18.2 mph.

    In the free ride the watts produced show less MPH but I realized
    training inside it is all about watts. I just found some the data
    interesting.
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    Deacon Mark

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  • From zen cycle@21:1/5 to Mark J cleary on Mon Mar 24 19:08:47 2025
    On 3/24/2025 12:15 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
    Now that I have worked with using my Garmin 945 for indoor smart
    training option I notice this happen today.

    I had done all my non-erg mode riding, that is called free ride on the
    Garmin 945, with the incline resistance set to     1. Apparently it equates to 1% incline if riding outside. Notice that the best I could
    manage for a 20-30 mile ride was about 14-15 mph. Watts calculate should
    be accurate.

    This morning I did the free ride and put the resistance to 0 zero so in effect flat. I manage 17 mph for 28 miles and produced 137 watts
    according to metrics. I have a Flux 2 trainer. This compares to
    yesterday when I rode in the erg mode and set power at 135. I finished
    that ride with 144 watts average and 18.2 mph.

    In the free ride the watts produced show less MPH but I realized
    training inside it is all about watts. I just found some the data interesting.

    Do you have your weight entered into the system?

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  • From Mark J cleary@21:1/5 to zen cycle on Mon Mar 24 19:35:42 2025
    On 3/24/2025 6:08 PM, zen cycle wrote:
    On 3/24/2025 12:15 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
    Now that I have worked with using my Garmin 945 for indoor smart
    training option I notice this happen today.

    I had done all my non-erg mode riding, that is called free ride on the
    Garmin 945, with the incline resistance set to     1. Apparently it
    equates to 1% incline if riding outside. Notice that the best I could
    manage for a 20-30 mile ride was about 14-15 mph. Watts calculate
    should be accurate.

    This morning I did the free ride and put the resistance to 0 zero so
    in effect flat. I manage 17 mph for 28 miles and produced 137 watts
    according to metrics. I have a Flux 2 trainer. This compares to
    yesterday when I rode in the erg mode and set power at 135. I finished
    that ride with 144 watts average and 18.2 mph.

    In the free ride the watts produced show less MPH but I realized
    training inside it is all about watts. I just found some the data
    interesting.

    Do you have your weight entered into the system?
    Yes I do I weigh 169 in my birthday suit. i think the difference is in
    the free mode you have no let up if going over the power setting. In the
    erg mode I set it at say 115 but push mostly to around 130 ish and it
    then backs off on the upstroke of the pedal since i push a higher watt.
    Even in the erg mode I do tempo charges where I got from say 110 to 240
    watts and of course the trainer then starts changing the resistance. In
    the free mode it is all less program.

    --
    Deacon Mark

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  • From zen cycle@21:1/5 to Mark J cleary on Tue Mar 25 07:09:58 2025
    On 3/24/2025 8:35 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
    On 3/24/2025 6:08 PM, zen cycle wrote:
    On 3/24/2025 12:15 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
    Now that I have worked with using my Garmin 945 for indoor smart
    training option I notice this happen today.

    I had done all my non-erg mode riding, that is called free ride on
    the Garmin 945, with the incline resistance set to     1. Apparently >>> it equates to 1% incline if riding outside. Notice that the best I
    could manage for a 20-30 mile ride was about 14-15 mph. Watts
    calculate should be accurate.

    This morning I did the free ride and put the resistance to 0 zero so
    in effect flat. I manage 17 mph for 28 miles and produced 137 watts
    according to metrics. I have a Flux 2 trainer. This compares to
    yesterday when I rode in the erg mode and set power at 135. I
    finished that ride with 144 watts average and 18.2 mph.

    In the free ride the watts produced show less MPH but I realized
    training inside it is all about watts. I just found some the data
    interesting.

    Do you have your weight entered into the system?
    Yes I do I weigh 169 in my birthday suit. i think the difference is in
    the free mode you have no let up if going over the power setting. In the
    erg mode I set it at say 115 but push mostly to around 130 ish and it
    then backs off on the upstroke of the pedal since i push a higher watt.
    Even in the erg mode I do tempo charges where I got from say 110 to 240
    watts and of course the trainer then starts changing the resistance. In
    the free mode it is all less program.


    Setting the wattage is one thing. "watts is watts", as they say. Wattage
    has nothing to do with how much you weigh. The reason I was asking is
    because you mentioned adjusting the incline grade. The power required
    for me at #145 to go up a 5 % grade at 10 mph is very different (much
    less) than the power it would take you to go up a 5% grade at 10 mph.
    The difference of course being that you as a larger person have more
    muscle mass and can generate more power than me. This is why for
    comparison purposes cycling power is often measured in Watts per Kilogram.

    Theoretically, two people generating the same W/Kg should do about the
    same speed. OF course, there are other factors to consider such as
    frontal area vs mass for drag calculations, but if we both generate 3
    W/Kg at speeds where drag isn't considerable (like a 5 % grade) we
    should be riding at the same speed, with me generating 197 watts and
    you generating 230 watts.

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