On Tue Mar 25 17:31:01 2025 Rolf Mantel wrote:

Am 25.03.2025 um 17:17 schrieb cyclintom:

But telling us that you;ve ridden 54 mph as if it is a common event
is pure bullshit because at that speed everyonbe begines to worry
about crashing.

When I was young, I rode down a road on the motorbike at 80 mph (with protective clothing and helmet); I noticed that the "small bend at the
bottom of the hill" was easily taken at 60 mph.

Two years later I rode down that hill on the Mountainbike, and I knew
there was no major risk doing that with a max speed of just above 50 mph.

Several years later on the recumbent bike I preferred going a different
route ("chickend out") because I had stopped motorbiking. It's all in
the head.

Coming off of the top of Palomares road, it is a 12% drop with a sharp left hand turn about 200 yards from the top. I used to go around that wide open which is about 60 mph and by the bottom where the 11% flattens into 9% I would be going probably 80 (
you sure don't look at your speedometer at those speeds). On several occassions when I made that turn there would be cars trying to cut that turn and were in my lane. Then near the bottom there was a house where farm workers (illegals) lived and they
would be pulling out of the driveway without looking and I would have to pull all the way over to the wrong side of the road.

It didn't take too many of those before I started thinking, "what if I can't dodge those cars" and I slowed down. Is this age or the onset of good sense?

In January after rains I went down Palomares pretty fast considering that in places there was a foot of water runing across the road. Then exiting out onto Niles Canyon I was riding at 25 mph on the flats with cars flying by at 60 mph in a 35 mph zone.
There was a railroad overpass that was narrow and I would have to take the entire lane for perhaps 80 feet or so before I cleared the overpass and the road widened enough to make room for cars to pass. The fact that Frank thinks that he rides faster than
me because average speed on a Garmin is calculated on total time and not moving time so he thinks that an average of 8 mph makes him think that I am slow. Going up Cull Canyon which is a 1200 foot climg hitting 600 feet maximum the guys I ride with could
beat me by a couple of minutes. On the ride down, I would have to wait for them for 5 minutes or more at the bottom.

I am hoping to regain my speed but that will mean riding flats for a month or two before climbing again. Redwood Road is finally open again meaning when I get in shape I can do 37 mile rides with 3300 feet of climbing. That ride does have a couple of 12%
climbs but they aren't very far. On the way out at the very end there is a 1/4 mile 12% section and on the way back they are only about 100 yards each for two sections. But it sure give you relief when they flatten out to 9% for the rest of the climbs.

But who knows? I may not be able to ride hard again. Neither I nor the stoke specialist could explain why someone in my health would have a stroke in the first place! And I would rather ride my DeRosa's slow than not at all.

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On Tue Mar 25 23:15:20 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:

On 3/25/2025 12:36 PM, cyclintom wrote:

On Tue Mar 25 10:36:01 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:

First, I don't know that's true. Based on your claims here, I think my
typical riding speed is faster than yours. I'm sure I couldn't keep up
with Zen or Mark, but I suspect most of us old guys here would ride at
similar speeds. I know that on the club rides I attend (I'm typically
the oldest of the attendees) I usually finish in the front half of the
group, and often first. Not that they're races. I just enjoy speeding up >> at times.

Not that it matters. I dispute the implication that faster riders
naturally crash more. It takes miles of riding to get fast, and people
with miles of experience tend to be more skillful.

You may be an exception.

Frank, obviously you do not ride with a Garmin and believe that my claim of riding an average soeed of 11 mph is slow.

You're right. I don't use a Garmin. I still use ordinary cyclometers - a couple Avocets that I've managed to keep running, and a couple Cateyes,
etc. They give me average speed. 11 mph _is_ slow. I don't think I've
ever averaged that slow unless on a recreation ride with my wife,
grandkids or a good friend who is quite slow.

Those meters only sverage moving speed. You are supposed to be an engineer and you don't understand the effects of stop lights and a 30-45 minute pause at a coffee shop on a meter that measures average speed from total time from turning the meter on? All
I can say is that you're some kind of engineer.

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On Tue Mar 25 22:47:42 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:

On 3/25/2025 12:17 PM, cyclintom wrote:

On Tue Mar 25 10:29:51 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:

It's also not the case for me on a bicycle. Only three moving on-road
falls in over 50 years of riding. Zero head injuries. Most avid cyclists >> never ever hit their head, and certainly never hard enough to induce
brain injury.

So much fear mongering!

There you havbe it from the expert "It never happened to me so it is impossible."

Tom, helmet promoters - especially amateur ones - do plenty of the
opposite: "I fell and hit my head! So nobody should ever ride without a helmet!!!"

Among other instincts of humans is that to protect your head. Unfortunately this does not succeed all of the time. I couldn't care less whether you wear or not a helmet. But telling us that you;ve ridden 54 mph as if it is a common event is pure

bullshit because at that speed everyonbe begines to worry about crashing.

Your logic is incredibly faulty. I never said it was common (it was one
hell of a downhill), and I was certainly a bit worried about crashing. I brought it up only because you claim I've never ridden fast. (What's
your highest speed?)

Frank, we were talking about riding fast. What is your average speed? Try your best not to tell us your lifetime fastest.

Not to mention that ass Flunky telling us that autopause was not a feature of ALL of the speedometers I had before the Garmin. They STOPPED recording when speed dropped to zero. For all of Flunky's bullshit - I still haven't found his claimed autopause
feature after going through the manual. Maybe it's there but why didn't he direct us to the page where it is? I have old mileage logs that show 17 mph averages and I'm not more than 3 mph slower than that now when the Garmin records 8 mph.


My non-recording time from last Saturday that I thought was so slow, did show total time from turn on to turn off. That was 2:32 including a half hour coffee stop and another 5 minutes to stop, refill a soft tire and contrinue home. That suggests an
average of 10 mph or a little more since the distance was somewhere around 21 miles. Now I was in the 34 ring and the 15 tooth cog. So obviously I wasn't trying to go fast.

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On Wed Apr 2 09:56:56 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:

On 4/1/2025 5:39 PM, cyclintom wrote:

On Wed Mar 26 17:11:00 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:

On 3/26/2025 3:57 PM, cyclintom wrote:

On Wed Mar 26 18:51:39 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:

cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Tue Mar 25 23:15:20 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:

On 3/25/2025 12:36 PM, cyclintom wrote:

On Tue Mar 25 10:36:01 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:

First, I don't know that's true. Based on your claims here, I think my
typical riding speed is faster than yours. I'm sure I couldn't keep up
with Zen or Mark, but I suspect most of us old guys here would ride at
similar speeds. I know that on the club rides I attend (I'm typically
the oldest of the attendees) I usually finish in the front half of the
group, and often first. Not that they're races. I just enjoy speeding up
at times.

Not that it matters. I dispute the implication that faster riders >>>>>>>> naturally crash more. It takes miles of riding to get fast, and people
with miles of experience tend to be more skillful.

You may be an exception.

Frank, obviously you do not ride with a Garmin and believe that my >>>>>>> claim of riding an average soeed of 11 mph is slow.

You're right. I don't use a Garmin. I still use ordinary cyclometers - a
couple Avocets that I've managed to keep running, and a couple Cateyes,
etc. They give me average speed. 11 mph _is_ slow. I don't think I've >>>>>> ever averaged that slow unless on a recreation ride with my wife, >>>>>> grandkids or a good friend who is quite slow.

Those meters only sverage moving speed. You are supposed to be an
engineer and you don't understand the effects of stop lights and a 30-45
minute pause at a coffee shop on a meter that measures average speed from
total time from turning the meter on? All I can say is that you're some kind of engineer.

As do Garmin connect and Strava ie doesn?t count the stationary time, aka
waiting at traffic lights or time at the cafe or so on.

I have an 830 and a 1030 and neither one of those has an autostop feature.

lol...wow...._ALL_ Garmin cycling computers have an autopause function,
They've had that feature since Garmin first released cycling computers
in 2006.

830 user manual

https://www8.garmin.com/manuals/webhelp/edge830/EN-US/Edge_830_OM_EN-US.pdf

Page 54

Using Auto Pause
You can use the Auto Pause feature to pause the timer automatically when >> you stop moving or when your speed drops below a specified value. This
feature is helpful if your ride includes stop lights or other places
where you need to slow down or stop.
NOTE: History is not recorded while the timer is stopped or paused.
1 Select > Activity Profiles.
2 Select a profile.
3 Select Auto Features > Auto Pause.
4 Select an option:
? Select When Stopped to pause the timer automatically when you stop moving.
? Select Custom Speed to pause the timer automatically when your speed
drops below a specified value.
5 If necessary, customize optional time data fields (Adding a Data
Screen, page 51).

1030 user manual

https://www8.garmin.com/manuals/webhelp/edge1030/EN-US/Edge_1030_OM_EN-US.pdf

Page 53

Using Auto Pause
You can use the Auto Pause feature to pause the timer automatically when >> you stop moving or when your speed drops below a specified value. This
feature is helpful if your ride includes stop lights or other places
where you need to slow down or stop.
NOTE: History is not recorded while the timer is stopped or paused.
1 Select > Activity Profiles.
2 Select a profile.
3 Select Auto Features > Auto Pause.
4 Select an option:
? Select When Stopped to pause the timer automatically when you stop moving.
? Select Custom Speed to pause the timer automatically when your speed
drops below a specified value.
5 If necessary, customize optional time data fields (Adding a Data
Screen, page 50).


And if you push "stop" on the clock, when you restart, they restart the
mileage from zero. Now it has saved the previous ride and you can
downlooad the same total mileage. But if you leave it, it measures the
time from start to finish regardless of speed.

Why do you talk about an auto-pause function but you can't point it out?

Hmm...so I copy/pasted from the manuals exactly how to enable auto
pause, and you interpret that as "you can't point it out"?

I can find where you can manually pause a ride and then pick it up by turning it back on with Express, but not auto-poause.

That's because you're an idiot and an asshole, who is so blindingly
ignorant and arrogant that you claim I'm 'unable to point out how to use
the autopause function' when I copy/pasted the information directly from
the manual (as well as gave you links to the manuals so you could
download them).

FWIW, I have a Garmin 530 and 745, the instructions are identical for
setting up on both of those, which I have done.

You are pitifully beyond all help.

If you follow those direction exactly, you do not find the correct setup screen. So if you set your own up why didn't you mention that error?

But I discovered the error, got to the setup screen and I think that it is setup now. Though I will have to try it out and see if it works Saturday.

However, the latest software update has made it unnesesary snxce it now tells you the moving average rather than an overall average. So all of your "work" is for nothing. But then since you don't believe in work,Liebermann must have looked it up and sent
it to you.

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