So yesterday, I accepted an invitation to join several other family
members on a trip to Ray’s Indoor Mountain Bike Park in Cleveland. >https://www.raysmtb.com
It’s a >3.5 acre facility inside an old warehouse or manufacturing
building. I don’t know how many miles of trails or features it has, but
it looked like enough lumber to build a major housing subdivision, all
formed into trails, ramps, lumps, severely banked turns, etc.
Four of us rode. Two had their own mountain bikes. Two of us rented
bikes there, to avoid having to haul ours. I rented a Trek Roscoe,
single speed, hard tail mountain bike. Aluminum frame, dropper seatpost, >Shimano disk brakes, 32-20 gears, something like 86-622 tires with very
fine knobs, flat pedals (no clips, etc).
The bike was fun, but I’d have changed a few things. Wheel flop was much >worse than I’m used to, and the handlebars were way, way wider than I
liked. As usual, the disks were very sensitive, and I’d have preferred >pulling harder on the brake levers, to match my reflexes built on my
other bikes. Also the geometry (and/or my aging body?) made it much
harder to do a wheelie than on my own bikes. Not that wheelies were
required. I did like the dropper seatpost.
The place was, to me, an almost incomprehensible maze. We were all first >timers, and were told to follow the yellow path painted on the floor.
Path colors apparently coded difficulty, sort of like ski slopes. That
took us to a beginner room where we could ride over and over on “pumps”
or smoothly undulating ramps. These were waves, amplitude maybe three
feet, period maybe six to eight feet, some of them with additional lumps >within lumps, like extra harmonics in a signal. The starting platform
was above the pumps, so you entered with some speed. Without that, you
might stall out halfway up a lump. That could be a problem, since there
were likely riders somewhere behind you. The key was definitely to keep
your speed up and to stand, letting the bike float beneath you.
After repeated runs on that to get the feel of things, we tried other
rooms and features. The next nearest run was downhill onto a lumber path >about two feet wide incorporating some sharper ramps, leading to a
sharply banked 180 degree turn, maybe 8' radius and about 45 degree
banking, less toward the center. Again, you needed speed to make it
around that bend.
Exploring farther, we made our way to much larger tracks that required a
lot more nerve. A couple had starting platforms that had me looking down
at steep, pretty long ramps thinking “Am I really going to do this?” One
had signs “No stopping beyond this point” and had riders snaking back
and forth about five times via steep 180 degree turns, in a room maybe
100 feet by 75 feet, filled with “pumps” and “kickers.” Kickers were
bigger lumps with steeper sides and flat tops. If done fast enough, one
could get both wheels in the air on a kicker, but I never tried that.
The key, overall, was to _commit_. Hesitation caused problems, because
you needed inertia to make it past many of the features, especially the >sharp, steep turns. I saw kids who stalled out on longer uphill ramps
because they didn’t approach fast enough. And speaking of kids: There
were lots of riders there, including little kids as young as six. Like
most bike paths, crowds of riders cause problems. I had a guy start to
pass me just as a two lane run narrowed down to go through a doorway, I
came across some little kid ignoring the “one way” arrows, and I
sometimes had to slam to a stop to avoid someone else who had fallen.
I never crashed to the ground, but I did crash twice to a sudden stop, >standing over the bike. My biggest problem was the huge handlebar width.
I didn’t measure, but they were probably about 32" wide. On some narrow >passages, that left me only about 8" total clearance. I had handgrips
scrape the wall and cock the front wheel sharply to one side. The other
three family members crashed worse - one took a hand grip to the side of
the neck, one got scrapes down the forearm, and one face planted and
chipped a tooth. I’m much older and more careful.
BTW, one feature I was never able to “clean” was simple and low risk: A
level trail made of (IIRC) a 2x12 piece of lumber, that suddenly angles >maybe 30 degrees to the right for about four feet, then veered left back
to the original heading. It was more of a slow speed “trials” obstacle,
I think, and I could never figure out how to get my rear wheel from
dropping off into the inside of the sudden turn. I once had a friend who >could track stand on a mountain bike and bounce bit by bit until he was >turned 180 degrees. Maybe something like that was needed, but it’s
beyond me.
Overall, it was a fun full body workout - and the longer runs definitely
left me breathless and tired.
Risk compensation? Helmets were mandatory, which given the level of
risk, was perfectly reasonable. I doubt that I would have ridden it
without a helmet even if allowed. But it’s far, far different than
ordinary bicycling.
So yesterday, I accepted an invitation to join several other family
members on a trip to Ray’s Indoor Mountain Bike Park in Cleveland. https://www.raysmtb.com
It’s a >3.5 acre facility inside an old warehouse or manufacturing building. I don’t know how many miles of trails or features it has, but
it looked like enough lumber to build a major housing subdivision, all
formed into trails, ramps, lumps, severely banked turns, etc.
Four of us rode. Two had their own mountain bikes. Two of us rented
bikes there, to avoid having to haul ours. I rented a Trek Roscoe,
single speed, hard tail mountain bike. Aluminum frame, dropper seatpost, Shimano disk brakes, 32-20 gears, something like 86-622 tires with very
fine knobs, flat pedals (no clips, etc).
The bike was fun, but I’d have changed a few things. Wheel flop was much worse than I’m used to, and the handlebars were way, way wider than I liked. As usual, the disks were very sensitive, and I’d have preferred pulling harder on the brake levers, to match my reflexes built on my
other bikes. Also the geometry (and/or my aging body?) made it much
harder to do a wheelie than on my own bikes. Not that wheelies were
required. I did like the dropper seatpost.
The place was, to me, an almost incomprehensible maze. We were all first timers, and were told to follow the yellow path painted on the floor.
Path colors apparently coded difficulty, sort of like ski slopes. That
took us to a beginner room where we could ride over and over on “pumps” or smoothly undulating ramps. These were waves, amplitude maybe three
feet, period maybe six to eight feet, some of them with additional lumps within lumps, like extra harmonics in a signal. The starting platform
was above the pumps, so you entered with some speed. Without that, you
might stall out halfway up a lump. That could be a problem, since there
were likely riders somewhere behind you. The key was definitely to keep
your speed up and to stand, letting the bike float beneath you.
After repeated runs on that to get the feel of things, we tried other
rooms and features. The next nearest run was downhill onto a lumber path about two feet wide incorporating some sharper ramps, leading to a
sharply banked 180 degree turn, maybe 8' radius and about 45 degree
banking, less toward the center. Again, you needed speed to make it
around that bend.
Exploring farther, we made our way to much larger tracks that required a
lot more nerve. A couple had starting platforms that had me looking down
at steep, pretty long ramps thinking “Am I really going to do this?” One had signs “No stopping beyond this point” and had riders snaking back
and forth about five times via steep 180 degree turns, in a room maybe
100 feet by 75 feet, filled with “pumps” and “kickers.” Kickers were bigger lumps with steeper sides and flat tops. If done fast enough, one
could get both wheels in the air on a kicker, but I never tried that.
The key, overall, was to _commit_. Hesitation caused problems, because
you needed inertia to make it past many of the features, especially the sharp, steep turns. I saw kids who stalled out on longer uphill ramps
because they didn’t approach fast enough. And speaking of kids: There
were lots of riders there, including little kids as young as six. Like
most bike paths, crowds of riders cause problems. I had a guy start to
pass me just as a two lane run narrowed down to go through a doorway, I
came across some little kid ignoring the “one way” arrows, and I sometimes had to slam to a stop to avoid someone else who had fallen.
I never crashed to the ground, but I did crash twice to a sudden stop, standing over the bike. My biggest problem was the huge handlebar width.
I didn’t measure, but they were probably about 32" wide. On some narrow passages, that left me only about 8" total clearance. I had handgrips
scrape the wall and cock the front wheel sharply to one side. The other
three family members crashed worse - one took a hand grip to the side of
the neck, one got scrapes down the forearm, and one face planted and
chipped a tooth. I’m much older and more careful.
BTW, one feature I was never able to “clean” was simple and low risk: A level trail made of (IIRC) a 2x12 piece of lumber, that suddenly angles maybe 30 degrees to the right for about four feet, then veered left back
to the original heading. It was more of a slow speed “trials” obstacle,
I think, and I could never figure out how to get my rear wheel from
dropping off into the inside of the sudden turn. I once had a friend who could track stand on a mountain bike and bounce bit by bit until he was turned 180 degrees. Maybe something like that was needed, but it’s
beyond me.
Overall, it was a fun full body workout - and the longer runs definitely
left me breathless and tired.
Risk compensation? Helmets were mandatory, which given the level of
risk, was perfectly reasonable. I doubt that I would have ridden it
without a helmet even if allowed. But it’s far, far different than
ordinary bicycling.
On 3/27/2025 7:55 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
So yesterday, I accepted an invitation to join several other family
members on a trip to Ray’s Indoor Mountain Bike Park in Cleveland.
https://www.raysmtb.com
It’s a >3.5 acre facility inside an old warehouse or manufacturing
building. I don’t know how many miles of trails or features it has, but >>> it looked like enough lumber to build a major housing subdivision, all
formed into trails, ramps, lumps, severely banked turns, etc.
Four of us rode. Two had their own mountain bikes. Two of us rented
bikes there, to avoid having to haul ours. I rented a Trek Roscoe,
single speed, hard tail mountain bike. Aluminum frame, dropper seatpost, >>> Shimano disk brakes, 32-20 gears, something like 86-622 tires with very
fine knobs, flat pedals (no clips, etc).
Be bit less than that, 2.8inch aka 70mm is as wide as MTB tyres go, with
not that many at that size 2.4/2.6 is much more common.
Yes, you're probably right. I don't know if my mistake was memory or typo.
Overall, it was a fun full body workout - and the longer runs definitely >>> left me breathless and tired.Related my Gravel cycling mates who are roadies get sore arms etc as they
have different builds to me, ie don’t have much in way of upper body
strength.
Greg LeMond once said to succeed in high level road racing, you should
have the upper body of a 12 year old girl! I suppose he meant that
anything more is just more weight to slow you on uphills.
Risk compensation? Helmets were mandatory, which given the level ofMTB is quite ordinary really, ie there are “weekend warriors” who will ride
risk, was perfectly reasonable. I doubt that I would have ridden it
without a helmet even if allowed. But it’s far, far different than
ordinary bicycling.
this level of technical and more regularly and places that support them ie >> trail centre’s or simply cafes and so on.
I'm sure that there are people who do similar things every day, but I
very much doubt that any typical riders think pumps, kickers and 45
degree banked curves are ordinary.
On 3/27/2025 7:55 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
So yesterday, I accepted an invitation to join several other family
members on a trip to Ray’s Indoor Mountain Bike Park in Cleveland.
https://www.raysmtb.com
It’s a >3.5 acre facility inside an old warehouse or manufacturing
building. I don’t know how many miles of trails or features it has, but
it looked like enough lumber to build a major housing subdivision, all
formed into trails, ramps, lumps, severely banked turns, etc.
Four of us rode. Two had their own mountain bikes. Two of us rented
bikes there, to avoid having to haul ours. I rented a Trek Roscoe,
single speed, hard tail mountain bike. Aluminum frame, dropper seatpost, >>> Shimano disk brakes, 32-20 gears, something like 86-622 tires with very
fine knobs, flat pedals (no clips, etc).
Be bit less than that, 2.8inch aka 70mm is as wide as MTB tyres go, with
not that many at that size 2.4/2.6 is much more common.
Yes, you're probably right. I don't know if my mistake was memory or typo.
Overall, it was a fun full body workout - and the longer runs definitely >>> left me breathless and tired.Related my Gravel cycling mates who are roadies get sore arms etc as they
have different builds to me, ie don’t have much in way of upper body
strength.
Greg LeMond once said to succeed in high level road racing, you should
have the upper body of a 12 year old girl! I suppose he meant that
anything more is just more weight to slow you on uphills.
Risk compensation? Helmets were mandatory, which given the level ofMTB is quite ordinary really, ie there are “weekend warriors” who will ride >> this level of technical and more regularly and places that support them ie >> trail centre’s or simply cafes and so on.
risk, was perfectly reasonable. I doubt that I would have ridden it
without a helmet even if allowed. But it’s far, far different than
ordinary bicycling.
I'm sure that there are people who do similar things every day, but I
very much doubt that any typical riders think pumps, kickers and 45
degree banked curves are ordinary.
On Thu, 27 Mar 2025 22:46:45 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 3/27/2025 7:55 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
So yesterday, I accepted an invitation to join several other family
members on a trip to RayÂ’s Indoor Mountain Bike Park in Cleveland.
https://www.raysmtb.com
ItÂ’s a >3.5 acre facility inside an old warehouse or manufacturing
building. I donÂ’t know how many miles of trails or features it has, but >>>> it looked like enough lumber to build a major housing subdivision, all >>>> formed into trails, ramps, lumps, severely banked turns, etc.
Four of us rode. Two had their own mountain bikes. Two of us rented
bikes there, to avoid having to haul ours. I rented a Trek Roscoe,
single speed, hard tail mountain bike. Aluminum frame, dropper seatpost, >>>> Shimano disk brakes, 32-20 gears, something like 86-622 tires with very >>>> fine knobs, flat pedals (no clips, etc).
Be bit less than that, 2.8inch aka 70mm is as wide as MTB tyres go, with >>> not that many at that size 2.4/2.6 is much more common.
Yes, you're probably right. I don't know if my mistake was memory or typo. >>
Overall, it was a fun full body workout - and the longer runs definitely >>>> left me breathless and tired.Related my Gravel cycling mates who are roadies get sore arms etc as they >>> have different builds to me, ie donÂ’t have much in way of upper body
strength.
Greg LeMond once said to succeed in high level road racing, you should
have the upper body of a 12 year old girl! I suppose he meant that
anything more is just more weight to slow you on uphills.
Risk compensation? Helmets were mandatory, which given the level ofMTB is quite ordinary really, ie there are “weekend warriors” who will ride
risk, was perfectly reasonable. I doubt that I would have ridden it
without a helmet even if allowed. But itÂ’s far, far different than
ordinary bicycling.
this level of technical and more regularly and places that support them ie >>> trail centreÂ’s or simply cafes and so on.
I'm sure that there are people who do similar things every day, but I
very much doubt that any typical riders think pumps, kickers and 45
degree banked curves are ordinary.
You said there were children there as young as six, so it was a kiddy
path. Big risk involved in riding on a kiddy path.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Mar 2025 22:46:45 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 3/27/2025 7:55 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
So yesterday, I accepted an invitation to join several other family
members on a trip to Ray?s Indoor Mountain Bike Park in Cleveland.
https://www.raysmtb.com
It?s a >3.5 acre facility inside an old warehouse or manufacturing
building. I don?t know how many miles of trails or features it has, but >>>>> it looked like enough lumber to build a major housing subdivision, all >>>>> formed into trails, ramps, lumps, severely banked turns, etc.
Four of us rode. Two had their own mountain bikes. Two of us rented
bikes there, to avoid having to haul ours. I rented a Trek Roscoe,
single speed, hard tail mountain bike. Aluminum frame, dropper seatpost, >>>>> Shimano disk brakes, 32-20 gears, something like 86-622 tires with very >>>>> fine knobs, flat pedals (no clips, etc).
Be bit less than that, 2.8inch aka 70mm is as wide as MTB tyres go, with >>>> not that many at that size 2.4/2.6 is much more common.
Yes, you're probably right. I don't know if my mistake was memory or typo. >>>
Overall, it was a fun full body workout - and the longer runs definitely >>>>> left me breathless and tired.Related my Gravel cycling mates who are roadies get sore arms etc as they >>>> have different builds to me, ie don?t have much in way of upper body
strength.
Greg LeMond once said to succeed in high level road racing, you should
have the upper body of a 12 year old girl! I suppose he meant that
anything more is just more weight to slow you on uphills.
Risk compensation? Helmets were mandatory, which given the level ofMTB is quite ordinary really, ie there are ?weekend warriors? who will ride
risk, was perfectly reasonable. I doubt that I would have ridden it
without a helmet even if allowed. But it?s far, far different than
ordinary bicycling.
this level of technical and more regularly and places that support them ie >>>> trail centre?s or simply cafes and so on.
I'm sure that there are people who do similar things every day, but I
very much doubt that any typical riders think pumps, kickers and 45
degree banked curves are ordinary.
You said there were children there as young as six, so it was a kiddy
path. Big risk involved in riding on a kiddy path.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I suggest you have a wee look at the place, plenty of YouTube etc videos to >demonstrate that while it’s not an extreme sport its enough that under 16 >need a adult with them and under 18 need an adult waver form.
Yes it’s not a black run or so on, but kudos on Frank for giving it a try >probably out of his comfort zone, on unfamiliar bikes and terrain so yeah >that’s definitely a well done.
Roger Merriman
On 28 Mar 2025 18:39:56 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Mar 2025 22:46:45 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 3/27/2025 7:55 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
So yesterday, I accepted an invitation to join several other family >>>>>> members on a trip to Ray?s Indoor Mountain Bike Park in Cleveland. >>>>>> https://www.raysmtb.com
It?s a >3.5 acre facility inside an old warehouse or manufacturing >>>>>> building. I don?t know how many miles of trails or features it has, but >>>>>> it looked like enough lumber to build a major housing subdivision, all >>>>>> formed into trails, ramps, lumps, severely banked turns, etc.
Four of us rode. Two had their own mountain bikes. Two of us rented >>>>>> bikes there, to avoid having to haul ours. I rented a Trek Roscoe, >>>>>> single speed, hard tail mountain bike. Aluminum frame, dropper seatpost, >>>>>> Shimano disk brakes, 32-20 gears, something like 86-622 tires with very >>>>>> fine knobs, flat pedals (no clips, etc).
Be bit less than that, 2.8inch aka 70mm is as wide as MTB tyres go, with >>>>> not that many at that size 2.4/2.6 is much more common.
Yes, you're probably right. I don't know if my mistake was memory or typo. >>>>
Overall, it was a fun full body workout - and the longer runs definitely >>>>>> left me breathless and tired.Related my Gravel cycling mates who are roadies get sore arms etc as they >>>>> have different builds to me, ie don?t have much in way of upper body >>>>> strength.
Greg LeMond once said to succeed in high level road racing, you should >>>> have the upper body of a 12 year old girl! I suppose he meant that
anything more is just more weight to slow you on uphills.
Risk compensation? Helmets were mandatory, which given the level of >>>>>> risk, was perfectly reasonable. I doubt that I would have ridden it >>>>>> without a helmet even if allowed. But it?s far, far different than >>>>>> ordinary bicycling.MTB is quite ordinary really, ie there are ?weekend warriors? who will ride
this level of technical and more regularly and places that support them ie
trail centre?s or simply cafes and so on.
I'm sure that there are people who do similar things every day, but I
very much doubt that any typical riders think pumps, kickers and 45
degree banked curves are ordinary.
You said there were children there as young as six, so it was a kiddy
path. Big risk involved in riding on a kiddy path.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I suggest you have a wee look at the place, plenty of YouTube etc videos to >> demonstrate that while itÂ’s not an extreme sport its enough that under 16 >> need a adult with them and under 18 need an adult waver form.
Insurance and lawsuit issues....
Yes itÂ’s not a black run or so on, but kudos on Frank for giving it a try >> probably out of his comfort zone, on unfamiliar bikes and terrain so yeah
thatÂ’s definitely a well done.
Roger Merriman
....probably out of his comfort zone, Ok, but he says there were six
year olds riding there.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 28 Mar 2025 18:39:56 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:<https://youtu.be/ifyrb4KGM20?si=cQfvaPZ_qieBMyZI>
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Mar 2025 22:46:45 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 3/27/2025 7:55 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
So yesterday, I accepted an invitation to join several other family >>>>>>> members on a trip to Ray?s Indoor Mountain Bike Park in Cleveland. >>>>>>> https://www.raysmtb.com
It?s a >3.5 acre facility inside an old warehouse or manufacturing >>>>>>> building. I don?t know how many miles of trails or features it has, but >>>>>>> it looked like enough lumber to build a major housing subdivision, all >>>>>>> formed into trails, ramps, lumps, severely banked turns, etc.
Four of us rode. Two had their own mountain bikes. Two of us rented >>>>>>> bikes there, to avoid having to haul ours. I rented a Trek Roscoe, >>>>>>> single speed, hard tail mountain bike. Aluminum frame, dropper seatpost,
Shimano disk brakes, 32-20 gears, something like 86-622 tires with very >>>>>>> fine knobs, flat pedals (no clips, etc).
Be bit less than that, 2.8inch aka 70mm is as wide as MTB tyres go, with >>>>>> not that many at that size 2.4/2.6 is much more common.
Yes, you're probably right. I don't know if my mistake was memory or typo.
Overall, it was a fun full body workout - and the longer runs definitelyRelated my Gravel cycling mates who are roadies get sore arms etc as they
left me breathless and tired.
have different builds to me, ie don?t have much in way of upper body >>>>>> strength.
Greg LeMond once said to succeed in high level road racing, you should >>>>> have the upper body of a 12 year old girl! I suppose he meant that
anything more is just more weight to slow you on uphills.
Risk compensation? Helmets were mandatory, which given the level of >>>>>>> risk, was perfectly reasonable. I doubt that I would have ridden it >>>>>>> without a helmet even if allowed. But it?s far, far different than >>>>>>> ordinary bicycling.MTB is quite ordinary really, ie there are ?weekend warriors? who will ride
this level of technical and more regularly and places that support them ie
trail centre?s or simply cafes and so on.
I'm sure that there are people who do similar things every day, but I >>>>> very much doubt that any typical riders think pumps, kickers and 45
degree banked curves are ordinary.
You said there were children there as young as six, so it was a kiddy
path. Big risk involved in riding on a kiddy path.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I suggest you have a wee look at the place, plenty of YouTube etc videos to >>> demonstrate that while it?s not an extreme sport its enough that under 16 >>> need a adult with them and under 18 need an adult waver form.
Insurance and lawsuit issues....
Yes it?s not a black run or so on, but kudos on Frank for giving it a try >>> probably out of his comfort zone, on unfamiliar bikes and terrain so yeah >>> that?s definitely a well done.
Roger Merriman
....probably out of his comfort zone, Ok, but he says there were six
year olds riding there.
Have a look, yes it’s possible that some young kids on BMX’s might be
capable of some of, if they have people to learn from/support and have an >aptitude.
But either way it’s impressive he’s done so.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
On 28 Mar 2025 20:50:20 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 28 Mar 2025 18:39:56 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:<https://youtu.be/ifyrb4KGM20?si=cQfvaPZ_qieBMyZI>
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Mar 2025 22:46:45 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 3/27/2025 7:55 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
So yesterday, I accepted an invitation to join several other family >>>>>>>> members on a trip to Ray?s Indoor Mountain Bike Park in Cleveland. >>>>>>>> https://www.raysmtb.com
It?s a >3.5 acre facility inside an old warehouse or manufacturing >>>>>>>> building. I don?t know how many miles of trails or features it has, but
it looked like enough lumber to build a major housing subdivision, all >>>>>>>> formed into trails, ramps, lumps, severely banked turns, etc.
Four of us rode. Two had their own mountain bikes. Two of us rented >>>>>>>> bikes there, to avoid having to haul ours. I rented a Trek Roscoe, >>>>>>>> single speed, hard tail mountain bike. Aluminum frame, dropper seatpost,
Shimano disk brakes, 32-20 gears, something like 86-622 tires with very
fine knobs, flat pedals (no clips, etc).
Be bit less than that, 2.8inch aka 70mm is as wide as MTB tyres go, with
not that many at that size 2.4/2.6 is much more common.
Yes, you're probably right. I don't know if my mistake was memory or typo.
Overall, it was a fun full body workout - and the longer runs definitelyRelated my Gravel cycling mates who are roadies get sore arms etc as they
left me breathless and tired.
have different builds to me, ie don?t have much in way of upper body >>>>>>> strength.
Greg LeMond once said to succeed in high level road racing, you should >>>>>> have the upper body of a 12 year old girl! I suppose he meant that >>>>>> anything more is just more weight to slow you on uphills.
Risk compensation? Helmets were mandatory, which given the level of >>>>>>>> risk, was perfectly reasonable. I doubt that I would have ridden it >>>>>>>> without a helmet even if allowed. But it?s far, far different than >>>>>>>> ordinary bicycling.MTB is quite ordinary really, ie there are ?weekend warriors? who will ride
this level of technical and more regularly and places that support them ie
trail centre?s or simply cafes and so on.
I'm sure that there are people who do similar things every day, but I >>>>>> very much doubt that any typical riders think pumps, kickers and 45 >>>>>> degree banked curves are ordinary.
You said there were children there as young as six, so it was a kiddy >>>>> path. Big risk involved in riding on a kiddy path.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I suggest you have a wee look at the place, plenty of YouTube etc videos to
demonstrate that while it?s not an extreme sport its enough that under 16 >>>> need a adult with them and under 18 need an adult waver form.
Insurance and lawsuit issues....
Yes it?s not a black run or so on, but kudos on Frank for giving it a try >>>> probably out of his comfort zone, on unfamiliar bikes and terrain so yeah >>>> that?s definitely a well done.
Roger Merriman
....probably out of his comfort zone, Ok, but he says there were six
year olds riding there.
Have a look, yes itÂ’s possible that some young kids on BMXÂ’s might be
capable of some of, if they have people to learn from/support and have an
aptitude.
But either way itÂ’s impressive heÂ’s done so.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
I saw the videos... You're much more easily impressed than me. I was impressed by the kids jumping, but he didn't even get both wheels off
the ground.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 28 Mar 2025 20:50:20 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 28 Mar 2025 18:39:56 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:<https://youtu.be/ifyrb4KGM20?si=cQfvaPZ_qieBMyZI>
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Mar 2025 22:46:45 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 3/27/2025 7:55 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
So yesterday, I accepted an invitation to join several other family >>>>>>>>> members on a trip to Ray?s Indoor Mountain Bike Park in Cleveland. >>>>>>>>> https://www.raysmtb.com
It?s a >3.5 acre facility inside an old warehouse or manufacturing >>>>>>>>> building. I don?t know how many miles of trails or features it has, but
it looked like enough lumber to build a major housing subdivision, all
formed into trails, ramps, lumps, severely banked turns, etc. >>>>>>>>>
Four of us rode. Two had their own mountain bikes. Two of us rented >>>>>>>>> bikes there, to avoid having to haul ours. I rented a Trek Roscoe, >>>>>>>>> single speed, hard tail mountain bike. Aluminum frame, dropper seatpost,
Shimano disk brakes, 32-20 gears, something like 86-622 tires with very
fine knobs, flat pedals (no clips, etc).
Be bit less than that, 2.8inch aka 70mm is as wide as MTB tyres go, with
not that many at that size 2.4/2.6 is much more common.
Yes, you're probably right. I don't know if my mistake was memory or typo.
Overall, it was a fun full body workout - and the longer runs definitelyRelated my Gravel cycling mates who are roadies get sore arms etc as they
left me breathless and tired.
have different builds to me, ie don?t have much in way of upper body >>>>>>>> strength.
Greg LeMond once said to succeed in high level road racing, you should >>>>>>> have the upper body of a 12 year old girl! I suppose he meant that >>>>>>> anything more is just more weight to slow you on uphills.
Risk compensation? Helmets were mandatory, which given the level of >>>>>>>>> risk, was perfectly reasonable. I doubt that I would have ridden it >>>>>>>>> without a helmet even if allowed. But it?s far, far different than >>>>>>>>> ordinary bicycling.MTB is quite ordinary really, ie there are ?weekend warriors? who will ride
this level of technical and more regularly and places that support them ie
trail centre?s or simply cafes and so on.
I'm sure that there are people who do similar things every day, but I >>>>>>> very much doubt that any typical riders think pumps, kickers and 45 >>>>>>> degree banked curves are ordinary.
You said there were children there as young as six, so it was a kiddy >>>>>> path. Big risk involved in riding on a kiddy path.
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C'est bon
Soloman
I suggest you have a wee look at the place, plenty of YouTube etc videos to
demonstrate that while it?s not an extreme sport its enough that under 16 >>>>> need a adult with them and under 18 need an adult waver form.
Insurance and lawsuit issues....
Yes it?s not a black run or so on, but kudos on Frank for giving it a try >>>>> probably out of his comfort zone, on unfamiliar bikes and terrain so yeah >>>>> that?s definitely a well done.
Roger Merriman
....probably out of his comfort zone, Ok, but he says there were six
year olds riding there.
Have a look, yes it?s possible that some young kids on BMX?s might be
capable of some of, if they have people to learn from/support and have an >>> aptitude.
But either way it?s impressive he?s done so.
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C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
I saw the videos... You're much more easily impressed than me. I was
impressed by the kids jumping, but he didn't even get both wheels off
the ground.
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C'est bon
Soloman
I think your obsession with Frank is rather showing ie Frank = wrong.
Maybe step back and have think about it?
Roger Merriman
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