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    From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 26 20:20:04 2025
    That reported 570,000 TBI's in 9 years is preposteous. That would be 170 TBI's across the USA every day. It there were 150 real TBI's per year I would be surprised because there simply aren't enough cyclist falling off and hitting their heads.

    I will grant Krygowski that these numbers are very overblown and I never met another person as injured from a fall as I have been. Our group used to be large with perhaps as much as 30 cyclist showing up for some pretty advanced rides. I do not remember
    another cyclist with my group or the Fremont Freewheelers having a serious head injury.

    I wear a Wavecel helmet because I don't want a repeat and worry that some damage may lead to some more.

    Only about 30% of cyclist wear helmets and ER's are not being overwhelmed with cycklists.

    So that 570,000 must be some sort of calculated theroetical number.

    I agree that Frank is very likely to get away riding his bicycle fir the rest of his life without ever receiving a serious head injury that could be mitigate with a standard helmet. But I am not willing to take any more chances. But let's also remember
    that Catrike isn't willing to take the chance of being without a gun in FLORIDA which is one of the safer states. So you chose your own requirements.

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Wed Mar 26 17:51:17 2025
    On 3/26/2025 3:20 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    That reported 570,000 TBI's in 9 years is preposteous. That would be 170 TBI's across the USA every day. It there were 150 real TBI's per year I would be surprised because there simply aren't enough cyclist falling off and hitting their heads.

    I will grant Krygowski that these numbers are very overblown and I never met another person as injured from a fall as I have been. Our group used to be large with perhaps as much as 30 cyclist showing up for some pretty advanced rides. I do not
    remember another cyclist with my group or the Fremont Freewheelers having a serious head injury.

    I wear a Wavecel helmet because I don't want a repeat and worry that some damage may lead to some more.

    Only about 30% of cyclist wear helmets and ER's are not being overwhelmed with cycklists.

    So that 570,000 must be some sort of calculated theroetical number.

    I agree that Frank is very likely to get away riding his bicycle fir the rest of his life without ever receiving a serious head injury that could be mitigate with a standard helmet. But I am not willing to take any more chances. But let's also remember
    that Catrike isn't willing to take the chance of being without a gun in FLORIDA which is one of the safer states. So you chose your own requirements.

    I don't know.
    Might be true, maybe not.
    (p.s. yes your arithmetic is in range, about 170 per day)

    1. What's a TBI? Lower reporting threshold could be quite minor.

    2. Likely 'all causes', which would include bicycle
    crashes, falling in the bathtub, smacked 'up side the head'
    with a pistol during a robbery, car crashes, motorcycle
    misadventures, tripping on broken sidewalks, workplace
    accidents*, domestic abuse, schoolyard fights and bar
    fights, skiing into a tree, all sorts of things.


    *My business partner once dropped a wooden crate of 100
    Sedis chains on a handcart. The handle knocked her out cold.

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  • From Roger Merriman@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Thu Mar 27 10:36:06 2025
    AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
    On 3/26/2025 3:20 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    That reported 570,000 TBI's in 9 years is preposteous. That would be 170
    TBI's across the USA every day. It there were 150 real TBI's per year I
    would be surprised because there simply aren't enough cyclist falling
    off and hitting their heads.

    I will grant Krygowski that these numbers are very overblown and I never
    met another person as injured from a fall as I have been. Our group used
    to be large with perhaps as much as 30 cyclist showing up for some
    pretty advanced rides. I do not remember another cyclist with my group
    or the Fremont Freewheelers having a serious head injury.

    I wear a Wavecel helmet because I don't want a repeat and worry that
    some damage may lead to some more.

    Only about 30% of cyclist wear helmets and ER's are not being overwhelmed with cycklists.

    So that 570,000 must be some sort of calculated theroetical number.

    I agree that Frank is very likely to get away riding his bicycle fir the
    rest of his life without ever receiving a serious head injury that could
    be mitigate with a standard helmet. But I am not willing to take any
    more chances. But let's also remember that Catrike isn't willing to take
    the chance of being without a gun in FLORIDA which is one of the safer
    states. So you chose your own requirements.

    I don't know.
    Might be true, maybe not.
    (p.s. yes your arithmetic is in range, about 170 per day)

    1. What's a TBI? Lower reporting threshold could be quite minor.

    It would indeed not least as the outcome can differ fairly wildly for each individual which says more about our understanding of brains than the
    strength or otherwise of individuals.

    2. Likely 'all causes', which would include bicycle
    crashes, falling in the bathtub, smacked 'up side the head'
    with a pistol during a robbery, car crashes, motorcycle
    misadventures, tripping on broken sidewalks, workplace
    accidents*, domestic abuse, schoolyard fights and bar
    fights, skiing into a tree, all sorts of things.


    Seems to be the whole range of things, car accidents are fairly common as
    are falling when drunk.

    *My business partner once dropped a wooden crate of 100
    Sedis chains on a handcart. The handle knocked her out cold.


    Indeed all manner of ways one can harm oneself! Though the odds are low.

    Roger Merriman

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 27 16:34:19 2025
    On Wed Mar 26 17:51:17 2025 AMuzi wrote:
    On 3/26/2025 3:20 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    That reported 570,000 TBI's in 9 years is preposteous. That would be 170 TBI's across the USA every day. It there were 150 real TBI's per year I would be surprised because there simply aren't enough cyclist falling off and hitting their heads.

    I will grant Krygowski that these numbers are very overblown and I never met another person as injured from a fall as I have been. Our group used to be large with perhaps as much as 30 cyclist showing up for some pretty advanced rides. I do not
    remember another cyclist with my group or the Fremont Freewheelers having a serious head injury.

    I wear a Wavecel helmet because I don't want a repeat and worry that some damage may lead to some more.

    Only about 30% of cyclist wear helmets and ER's are not being overwhelmed with cycklists.

    So that 570,000 must be some sort of calculated theroetical number.

    I agree that Frank is very likely to get away riding his bicycle fir the rest of his life without ever receiving a serious head injury that could be mitigate with a standard helmet. But I am not willing to take any more chances. But let's also
    remember that Catrike isn't willing to take the chance of being without a gun in FLORIDA which is one of the safer states. So you chose your own requirements.

    I don't know.
    Might be true, maybe not.
    (p.s. yes your arithmetic is in range, about 170 per day)

    1. What's a TBI? Lower reporting threshold could be quite minor.

    2. Likely 'all causes', which would include bicycle
    crashes, falling in the bathtub, smacked 'up side the head'
    with a pistol during a robbery, car crashes, motorcycle
    misadventures, tripping on broken sidewalks, workplace
    accidents*, domestic abuse, schoolyard fights and bar
    fights, skiing into a tree, all sorts of things.


    *My business partner once dropped a wooden crate of 100
    Sedis chains on a handcart. The handle knocked her out cold.




    With 170 supposed TBI's per day SHOWING UP AT HOSPITALS, every bicycle rider would know someone that was ambulanced off to a hospital and I an the only one I know that ws taken to a hospital for a brain injury. It was so rare that the ER MD's and even
    the local neurologists didn't know how to treat me.

    You might be right that they are using "all causes" as TBIs But I think in my entire riding career,
    I have only called an ambulances a couple of times and that was for limb injuries.

    I make a big deal out of concussions because of the limitations of foam padded helmets which I have been talking about since their invention. The fact that someone developed MIPS can be seen in the Wavecel charts to be better than foam padding but
    Wavecel is so superior that there is really no gain.


    So I have to lean towards Frank's claim that the supposed claims of dangers is so far overblown that people probably shouldn't pay attention to it unless you're a racer or ride very fast. This being the case we have to get Frnk to stop talking about how
    fast he rides, He CANNOT ride at the speeds he claims on an old touring bike and using the VERY rare occassions when he has hit speeds like that downhill he should not be acting like they are typical.

    He has done this same sort of thing with "taking the lane". I ride far more than he does and on roads without bike lanes I am FORCED to yield right of way except under a few cases where it isn't possible. California roads are something like the 5th worst
    in the nation so unless Frank is saying that Ohio is worse than that, he is constantly in the gutter.

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Thu Mar 27 13:34:58 2025
    On 3/27/2025 11:34 AM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Wed Mar 26 17:51:17 2025 AMuzi wrote:
    On 3/26/2025 3:20 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    That reported 570,000 TBI's in 9 years is preposteous. That would be 170 TBI's across the USA every day. It there were 150 real TBI's per year I would be surprised because there simply aren't enough cyclist falling off and hitting their heads.

    I will grant Krygowski that these numbers are very overblown and I never met another person as injured from a fall as I have been. Our group used to be large with perhaps as much as 30 cyclist showing up for some pretty advanced rides. I do not
    remember another cyclist with my group or the Fremont Freewheelers having a serious head injury.

    I wear a Wavecel helmet because I don't want a repeat and worry that some damage may lead to some more.

    Only about 30% of cyclist wear helmets and ER's are not being overwhelmed with cycklists.

    So that 570,000 must be some sort of calculated theroetical number.

    I agree that Frank is very likely to get away riding his bicycle fir the rest of his life without ever receiving a serious head injury that could be mitigate with a standard helmet. But I am not willing to take any more chances. But let's also
    remember that Catrike isn't willing to take the chance of being without a gun in FLORIDA which is one of the safer states. So you chose your own requirements.

    I don't know.
    Might be true, maybe not.
    (p.s. yes your arithmetic is in range, about 170 per day)

    1. What's a TBI? Lower reporting threshold could be quite minor.

    2. Likely 'all causes', which would include bicycle
    crashes, falling in the bathtub, smacked 'up side the head'
    with a pistol during a robbery, car crashes, motorcycle
    misadventures, tripping on broken sidewalks, workplace
    accidents*, domestic abuse, schoolyard fights and bar
    fights, skiing into a tree, all sorts of things.


    *My business partner once dropped a wooden crate of 100
    Sedis chains on a handcart. The handle knocked her out cold.




    With 170 supposed TBI's per day SHOWING UP AT HOSPITALS, every bicycle rider would know someone that was ambulanced off to a hospital and I an the only one I know that ws taken to a hospital for a brain injury. It was so rare that the ER MD's and even
    the local neurologists didn't know how to treat me.

    You might be right that they are using "all causes" as TBIs But I think in my entire riding career,
    I have only called an ambulances a couple of times and that was for limb injuries.

    I make a big deal out of concussions because of the limitations of foam padded helmets which I have been talking about since their invention. The fact that someone developed MIPS can be seen in the Wavecel charts to be better than foam padding but
    Wavecel is so superior that there is really no gain.


    So I have to lean towards Frank's claim that the supposed claims of dangers is so far overblown that people probably shouldn't pay attention to it unless you're a racer or ride very fast. This being the case we have to get Frnk to stop talking about
    how fast he rides, He CANNOT ride at the speeds he claims on an old touring bike and using the VERY rare occassions when he has hit speeds like that downhill he should not be acting like they are typical.

    He has done this same sort of thing with "taking the lane". I ride far more than he does and on roads without bike lanes I am FORCED to yield right of way except under a few cases where it isn't possible. California roads are something like the 5th
    worst in the nation so unless Frank is saying that Ohio is worse than that, he is constantly in the gutter.

    Well 170 per day makes roughly 1 of every 5400 USAians per
    year. Very plausible.

    --
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    am@yellowjersey.org
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  • From Radey Shouman@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Thu Mar 27 20:35:09 2025
    AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> writes:

    On 3/27/2025 11:34 AM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Wed Mar 26 17:51:17 2025 AMuzi wrote:
    On 3/26/2025 3:20 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    That reported 570,000 TBI's in 9 years is preposteous. That would
    be 170 TBI's across the USA every day. It there were 150 real
    TBI's per year I would be surprised because there simply aren't
    enough cyclist falling off and hitting their heads.

    I will grant Krygowski that these numbers are very overblown and I
    never met another person as injured from a fall as I have
    been. Our group used to be large with perhaps as much as 30
    cyclist showing up for some pretty advanced rides. I do not
    remember another cyclist with my group or the Fremont Freewheelers
    having a serious head injury.

    I wear a Wavecel helmet because I don't want a repeat and worry
    that some damage may lead to some more.

    Only about 30% of cyclist wear helmets and ER's are not being overwhelmed with cycklists.

    So that 570,000 must be some sort of calculated theroetical number.

    I agree that Frank is very likely to get away riding his bicycle
    fir the rest of his life without ever receiving a serious head
    injury that could be mitigate with a standard helmet. But I am not
    willing to take any more chances. But let's also remember that
    Catrike isn't willing to take the chance of being without a gun in
    FLORIDA which is one of the safer states. So you chose your own
    requirements.

    I don't know.
    Might be true, maybe not.
    (p.s. yes your arithmetic is in range, about 170 per day)

    1. What's a TBI? Lower reporting threshold could be quite minor.

    2. Likely 'all causes', which would include bicycle
    crashes, falling in the bathtub, smacked 'up side the head'
    with a pistol during a robbery, car crashes, motorcycle
    misadventures, tripping on broken sidewalks, workplace
    accidents*, domestic abuse, schoolyard fights and bar
    fights, skiing into a tree, all sorts of things.


    *My business partner once dropped a wooden crate of 100
    Sedis chains on a handcart. The handle knocked her out cold.
    With 170 supposed TBI's per day SHOWING UP AT HOSPITALS, every
    bicycle rider would know someone that was ambulanced off to a
    hospital and I an the only one I know that ws taken to a hospital
    for a brain injury. It was so rare that the ER MD's and even the
    local neurologists didn't know how to treat me.
    You might be right that they are using "all causes" as TBIs But I
    think in my entire riding career,
    I have only called an ambulances a couple of times and that was for limb injuries.
    I make a big deal out of concussions because of the limitations of
    foam padded helmets which I have been talking about since their
    invention. The fact that someone developed MIPS can be seen in the
    Wavecel charts to be better than foam padding but Wavecel is so
    superior that there is really no gain.
    So I have to lean towards Frank's claim that the supposed claims of
    dangers is so far overblown that people probably shouldn't pay
    attention to it unless you're a racer or ride very fast. This being
    the case we have to get Frnk to stop talking about how fast he
    rides, He CANNOT ride at the speeds he claims on an old touring bike
    and using the VERY rare occassions when he has hit speeds like that
    downhill he should not be acting like they are typical.
    He has done this same sort of thing with "taking the lane". I ride
    far more than he does and on roads without bike lanes I am FORCED to
    yield right of way except under a few cases where it isn't
    possible. California roads are something like the 5th worst in the
    nation so unless Frank is saying that Ohio is worse than that, he is
    constantly in the gutter.

    Well 170 per day makes roughly 1 of every 5400 USAians per year. Very plausible.

    7164 emergency rooms, so an average of 8.7 per emergency room per year,
    or less than one a month.

    https://www.poidata.io/report/emergency-room/united-states

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to John B. on Fri Mar 28 07:27:30 2025
    On 3/27/2025 8:11 PM, John B. wrote:
    On Thu, 27 Mar 2025 13:34:58 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 3/27/2025 11:34 AM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Wed Mar 26 17:51:17 2025 AMuzi wrote:
    On 3/26/2025 3:20 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    That reported 570,000 TBI's in 9 years is preposteous. That would be 170 TBI's across the USA every day. It there were 150 real TBI's per year I would be surprised because there simply aren't enough cyclist falling off and hitting their heads.

    I will grant Krygowski that these numbers are very overblown and I never met another person as injured from a fall as I have been. Our group used to be large with perhaps as much as 30 cyclist showing up for some pretty advanced rides. I do not
    remember another cyclist with my group or the Fremont Freewheelers having a serious head injury.

    I wear a Wavecel helmet because I don't want a repeat and worry that some damage may lead to some more.

    Only about 30% of cyclist wear helmets and ER's are not being overwhelmed with cycklists.

    So that 570,000 must be some sort of calculated theroetical number.

    I agree that Frank is very likely to get away riding his bicycle fir the rest of his life without ever receiving a serious head injury that could be mitigate with a standard helmet. But I am not willing to take any more chances. But let's also
    remember that Catrike isn't willing to take the chance of being without a gun in FLORIDA which is one of the safer states. So you chose your own requirements.

    I don't know.
    Might be true, maybe not.
    (p.s. yes your arithmetic is in range, about 170 per day)

    1. What's a TBI? Lower reporting threshold could be quite minor.

    2. Likely 'all causes', which would include bicycle
    crashes, falling in the bathtub, smacked 'up side the head'
    with a pistol during a robbery, car crashes, motorcycle
    misadventures, tripping on broken sidewalks, workplace
    accidents*, domestic abuse, schoolyard fights and bar
    fights, skiing into a tree, all sorts of things.


    *My business partner once dropped a wooden crate of 100
    Sedis chains on a handcart. The handle knocked her out cold.




    With 170 supposed TBI's per day SHOWING UP AT HOSPITALS, every bicycle rider would know someone that was ambulanced off to a hospital and I an the only one I know that ws taken to a hospital for a brain injury. It was so rare that the ER MD's and
    even the local neurologists didn't know how to treat me.

    You might be right that they are using "all causes" as TBIs But I think in my entire riding career,
    I have only called an ambulances a couple of times and that was for limb injuries.

    I make a big deal out of concussions because of the limitations of foam padded helmets which I have been talking about since their invention. The fact that someone developed MIPS can be seen in the Wavecel charts to be better than foam padding but
    Wavecel is so superior that there is really no gain.


    So I have to lean towards Frank's claim that the supposed claims of dangers is so far overblown that people probably shouldn't pay attention to it unless you're a racer or ride very fast. This being the case we have to get Frnk to stop talking about
    how fast he rides, He CANNOT ride at the speeds he claims on an old touring bike and using the VERY rare occassions when he has hit speeds like that downhill he should not be acting like they are typical.

    He has done this same sort of thing with "taking the lane". I ride far more than he does and on roads without bike lanes I am FORCED to yield right of way except under a few cases where it isn't possible. California roads are something like the 5th
    worst in the nation so unless Frank is saying that Ohio is worse than that, he is constantly in the gutter.

    Well 170 per day makes roughly 1 of every 5400 USAians per
    year. Very plausible.


    But is it "TBI" - Traumatic Brain Injury - that Frank seems so amours
    of or it simply "head injury" that could range from a scratch on your
    nose to your brains leaking out.

    A very good question. Answer is unclear.

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
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  • From Catrike Ryder@21:1/5 to frkrygow@sbcglobal.net on Fri Mar 28 12:47:31 2025
    On Fri, 28 Mar 2025 12:06:21 -0400, Frank Krygowski
    <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 3/28/2025 8:27 AM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 3/27/2025 8:11 PM, John B. wrote:
    On Thu, 27 Mar 2025 13:34:58 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 3/27/2025 11:34 AM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Wed Mar 26 17:51:17 2025 AMuzi  wrote:
    On 3/26/2025 3:20 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    That reported 570,000 TBI's in 9 years is preposteous. That would >>>>>>> be 170 TBI's across the USA every day. It there were 150 real
    TBI's per year I would be surprised because there simply aren't
    enough cyclist falling off and hitting their heads.

    I will grant Krygowski that these numbers are very overblown and I >>>>>>> never met another person as injured from a fall as I have been.
    Our group used to be large with perhaps as much as 30 cyclist
    showing up for some pretty advanced rides. I do not remember
    another cyclist with my group or the Fremont Freewheelers having a >>>>>>> serious head injury.

    I wear a Wavecel helmet because I don't want a repeat and worry
    that some damage may lead to some more.

    Only about 30% of cyclist wear helmets and ER's are not being
    overwhelmed with cycklists.

    So that 570,000 must be some sort of calculated theroetical number. >>>>>>>
    I agree that Frank is very likely to get away riding his bicycle >>>>>>> fir the rest of his life without ever receiving a serious head
    injury that could be mitigate with a standard helmet. But I am not >>>>>>> willing to take any more chances. But let's also remember that
    Catrike isn't willing to take the chance of being without a gun in >>>>>>> FLORIDA which is one of the safer states. So you chose your own
    requirements.

    I don't know.
    Might be true, maybe not.
    (p.s. yes your arithmetic is in range, about 170 per day)

    1. What's a TBI? Lower reporting threshold could be quite minor.

    2. Likely 'all causes', which would  include bicycle
    crashes, falling in the bathtub, smacked 'up side the head'
    with a pistol during a robbery, car crashes, motorcycle
    misadventures, tripping on broken sidewalks, workplace
    accidents*, domestic abuse, schoolyard fights and bar
    fights, skiing into a tree, all sorts of things.


    *My business partner once dropped a wooden crate of 100
    Sedis chains on a handcart. The handle knocked her out cold.




    With 170 supposed TBI's per day SHOWING UP AT HOSPITALS, every
    bicycle rider would know someone that was ambulanced off to a
    hospital and I an the only one I know that ws taken to a hospital
    for a brain injury. It was so rare that the ER MD's and even the
    local neurologists didn't know how to treat me.

    You might be right that they are using "all causes" as TBIs But I
    think in my entire riding career,
    I have only called an ambulances a couple of times and that was for
    limb injuries.

    I make a big deal out of concussions because of the limitations of
    foam padded helmets which I have been talking about since their
    invention. The fact that someone developed MIPS can be seen in the
    Wavecel charts to be better than foam padding but Wavecel is so
    superior that there is really no gain.


    So I have to lean towards Frank's claim that the supposed claims of
    dangers is so far overblown that people probably shouldn't pay
    attention to it unless you're a racer or ride very fast. This being
    the case we have to get Frnk to stop talking about how fast he
    rides, He CANNOT ride at the speeds he claims on an old touring bike >>>>> and using the VERY rare occassions when he has hit speeds like that
    downhill he should not be acting like they are typical.

    He has done this same sort of thing with "taking the lane". I ride
    far more than he does and on roads without bike lanes I am FORCED to >>>>> yield right of way except under a few cases where it isn't possible. >>>>> California roads are something like the 5th worst in the nation so
    unless Frank is saying that Ohio is worse than that, he is
    constantly in the gutter.

    Well 170 per day makes roughly 1 of every 5400 USAians per
    year. Very plausible.


    But is it "TBI" - Traumatic Brain Injury - that Frank seems so amours
    of or it simply "head injury" that could range from a scratch on your
    nose to your brains leaking out.

    A very good question.  Answer is unclear.

    Hmm. You understood "amours"?
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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Frank Krygowski on Fri Mar 28 11:57:46 2025
    On 3/28/2025 11:06 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 3/28/2025 8:27 AM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 3/27/2025 8:11 PM, John B. wrote:
    On Thu, 27 Mar 2025 13:34:58 -0500, AMuzi
    <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 3/27/2025 11:34 AM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Wed Mar 26 17:51:17 2025 AMuzi  wrote:
    On 3/26/2025 3:20 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    That reported 570,000 TBI's in 9 years is
    preposteous. That would be 170 TBI's across the USA
    every day. It there were 150 real TBI's per year I
    would be surprised because there simply aren't enough
    cyclist falling off and hitting their heads.

    I will grant Krygowski that these numbers are very
    overblown and I never met another person as injured
    from a fall as I have been. Our group used to be
    large with perhaps as much as 30 cyclist showing up
    for some pretty advanced rides. I do not remember
    another cyclist with my group or the Fremont
    Freewheelers having a serious head injury.

    I wear a Wavecel helmet because I don't want a repeat
    and worry that some damage may lead to some more.

    Only about 30% of cyclist wear helmets and ER's are
    not being overwhelmed with cycklists.

    So that 570,000 must be some sort of calculated
    theroetical number.

    I agree that Frank is very likely to get away riding
    his bicycle fir the rest of his life without ever
    receiving a serious head injury that could be
    mitigate with a standard helmet. But I am not willing
    to take any more chances. But let's also remember
    that Catrike isn't willing to take the chance of
    being without a gun in FLORIDA which is one of the
    safer states. So you chose your own requirements.

    I don't know.
    Might be true, maybe not.
    (p.s. yes your arithmetic is in range, about 170 per day)

    1. What's a TBI? Lower reporting threshold could be
    quite minor.

    2. Likely 'all causes', which would  include bicycle
    crashes, falling in the bathtub, smacked 'up side the
    head'
    with a pistol during a robbery, car crashes, motorcycle
    misadventures, tripping on broken sidewalks, workplace
    accidents*, domestic abuse, schoolyard fights and bar
    fights, skiing into a tree, all sorts of things.


    *My business partner once dropped a wooden crate of 100
    Sedis chains on a handcart. The handle knocked her out
    cold.




    With 170 supposed TBI's per day SHOWING UP AT
    HOSPITALS, every bicycle rider would know someone that
    was ambulanced off to a hospital and I an the only one
    I know that ws taken to a hospital for a brain injury.
    It was so rare that the ER MD's and even the local
    neurologists didn't know how to treat me.

    You might be right that they are using "all causes" as
    TBIs But I think in my entire riding career,
    I have only called an ambulances a couple of times and
    that was for limb injuries.

    I make a big deal out of concussions because of the
    limitations of foam padded helmets which I have been
    talking about since their invention. The fact that
    someone developed MIPS can be seen in the Wavecel
    charts to be better than foam padding but Wavecel is so
    superior that there is really no gain.


    So I have to lean towards Frank's claim that the
    supposed claims of dangers is so far overblown that
    people probably shouldn't pay attention to it unless
    you're a racer or ride very fast. This being the case
    we have to get Frnk to stop talking about how fast he
    rides, He CANNOT ride at the speeds he claims on an old
    touring bike and using the VERY rare occassions when he
    has hit speeds like that downhill he should not be
    acting like they are typical.

    He has done this same sort of thing with "taking the
    lane". I ride far more than he does and on roads
    without bike lanes I am FORCED to yield right of way
    except under a few cases where it isn't possible.
    California roads are something like the 5th worst in
    the nation so unless Frank is saying that Ohio is worse
    than that, he is constantly in the gutter.

    Well 170 per day makes roughly 1 of every 5400 USAians per
    year. Very plausible.


    But is it "TBI" - Traumatic Brain Injury - that Frank
    seems so amours
    of or it simply "head injury" that could range from a
    scratch on your
    nose to your brains leaking out.

    A very good question.  Answer is unclear.

    Hmm. You understood "amours"?


    I read that as autocomplete for 'afraid'.
    I could be wrong.

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From Roger Merriman@21:1/5 to Frank Krygowski on Fri Mar 28 20:28:18 2025
    Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    On 3/28/2025 12:57 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 3/28/2025 11:06 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

    Hmm. You understood "amours"?


    I read that as autocomplete for 'afraid'.
    I could be wrong.

    If you're right, you're far better at decoding than I am.



    It looks to be correct or rather no other word makes the sentence work?

    Roger Merriman

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  • From Radey Shouman@21:1/5 to Frank Krygowski on Fri Mar 28 16:46:59 2025
    Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> writes:

    On 3/28/2025 8:27 AM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 3/27/2025 8:11 PM, John B. wrote:
    On Thu, 27 Mar 2025 13:34:58 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 3/27/2025 11:34 AM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Wed Mar 26 17:51:17 2025 AMuzi  wrote:
    On 3/26/2025 3:20 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    That reported 570,000 TBI's in 9 years is preposteous. That
    would be 170 TBI's across the USA every day. It there were 150
    real TBI's per year I would be surprised because there simply
    aren't enough cyclist falling off and hitting their heads.

    I will grant Krygowski that these numbers are very overblown
    and I never met another person as injured from a fall as I have
    been. Our group used to be large with perhaps as much as 30
    cyclist showing up for some pretty advanced rides. I do not
    remember another cyclist with my group or the Fremont
    Freewheelers having a serious head injury.

    I wear a Wavecel helmet because I don't want a repeat and worry
    that some damage may lead to some more.

    Only about 30% of cyclist wear helmets and ER's are not being
    overwhelmed with cycklists.

    So that 570,000 must be some sort of calculated theroetical number. >>>>>>>
    I agree that Frank is very likely to get away riding his
    bicycle fir the rest of his life without ever receiving a
    serious head injury that could be mitigate with a standard
    helmet. But I am not willing to take any more chances. But
    let's also remember that Catrike isn't willing to take the
    chance of being without a gun in FLORIDA which is one of the
    safer states. So you chose your own requirements.

    I don't know.
    Might be true, maybe not.
    (p.s. yes your arithmetic is in range, about 170 per day)

    1. What's a TBI? Lower reporting threshold could be quite minor.

    2. Likely 'all causes', which would  include bicycle
    crashes, falling in the bathtub, smacked 'up side the head'
    with a pistol during a robbery, car crashes, motorcycle
    misadventures, tripping on broken sidewalks, workplace
    accidents*, domestic abuse, schoolyard fights and bar
    fights, skiing into a tree, all sorts of things.


    *My business partner once dropped a wooden crate of 100
    Sedis chains on a handcart. The handle knocked her out cold.




    With 170 supposed TBI's per day SHOWING UP AT HOSPITALS, every
    bicycle rider would know someone that was ambulanced off to a
    hospital and I an the only one I know that ws taken to a hospital
    for a brain injury. It was so rare that the ER MD's and even the
    local neurologists didn't know how to treat me.

    You might be right that they are using "all causes" as TBIs But I
    think in my entire riding career,
    I have only called an ambulances a couple of times and that was
    for limb injuries.

    I make a big deal out of concussions because of the limitations
    of foam padded helmets which I have been talking about since
    their invention. The fact that someone developed MIPS can be seen
    in the Wavecel charts to be better than foam padding but Wavecel
    is so superior that there is really no gain.


    So I have to lean towards Frank's claim that the supposed claims
    of dangers is so far overblown that people probably shouldn't pay
    attention to it unless you're a racer or ride very fast. This
    being the case we have to get Frnk to stop talking about how fast
    he rides, He CANNOT ride at the speeds he claims on an old
    touring bike and using the VERY rare occassions when he has hit
    speeds like that downhill he should not be acting like they are
    typical.

    He has done this same sort of thing with "taking the lane". I
    ride far more than he does and on roads without bike lanes I am
    FORCED to yield right of way except under a few cases where it
    isn't possible. California roads are something like the 5th worst
    in the nation so unless Frank is saying that Ohio is worse than
    that, he is constantly in the gutter.

    Well 170 per day makes roughly 1 of every 5400 USAians per
    year. Very plausible.


    But is it "TBI" - Traumatic Brain Injury - that Frank seems so amours
    of or it simply "head injury" that could range from a scratch on your
    nose to your brains leaking out.
    A very good question.  Answer is unclear.

    Hmm. You understood "amours"?

    Plainly "enamored" was meant.

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