I finally started riding again March 30 and since then have gotten in 120 miles. 20 of those miles were not recorded on the Garmin which had
something to so with the software update.
In any case, that updatehad some funny actions. I did not turn on the
fall warning which was supposed to send an emergency message out through
your phone. But it never-the-less was operating from the strong
vibrations from the disc brakes. Yesterday I used the rim brake DeRosa
Merac and had no such messages. It did record the stop recording message
when I would come to a stop.
With two months off of the bike my legs are getting really tired from
every ride. And my average speed is back up to 11 mph from the 8 it had dropped to after the last software update.
I know Roger doesn't think that the software is being updated and he is
quite correct that the software version number has not changed, but I
have noted that the operation of the Gatmin 830 has changed and version numbers usually don't changer automatically (though I think that Microsoft Windows does.)
So now I have to work my way up to riding like I had been. My climbing is slow and labored and I have to be careful of my blood pressure.
I put 170 mm cranks on the DeRosa Idol instead of the 172.5 mm and AGAIN
I will repeat, despite Flunky's beliefs, I could defihnitely tell the different between those and the 172.5's. The climg required me to drop
down another gear. And this was on some descent climbs.
I don't know, maybe he can't tell the difference but then he said that
unlike my experience racing, he never looked down at friction shifter
lever position and the actual pros I spoke to said that they always
looked at the levers before reaching down. Andrew said he never looked
down but I don't think he was referring to racing. Certainly you know
where the position of the lever is but in racing you don't want to be grasping around trying to figure out what gear you're in.
So if Flunky never looked he was never up in the thick of the racing. No
big deal since he was racing for the sake of racing and not to be on the front. When I was racing I sort of took it serious and although the cat
4's and 5's (I was 5) started a minute behind the Cat 1's, 2's and 3's, I would ride right up to the tail end group of 3's and then be too
exhausted to do anything but ride with the tail end 3's. They did race
amoung themselves but eventuslly the fast 4's would catch and pass us. My racing was all wrong and I should have stayed with the fast 4's which
would have put me ahead of all but the fastest 5's and I would have
advanced. But that was just at the time I damaged my lungs so in the end
it didn't matter at all. But I can say that I was a 5 that was as fast
than the slower 3's. For all that's worth.
I have all of my bikes except for the DeRosa's and the Time up for sale.
I do have someone interested in the Di2 Ridley. If that sells it should
be easier to sell the other bikes because they are all high end bikes
with Dura Ace on them (Colnago Dream HP, Moser M82 and Specialized Allez
with a Campy 11 speed Centaur group. If the Time rides like I think it
will, I will also sell the Basso Loto and the BMC SLC-01 which has an 11 speed Campy Chorus group.
I don't know, maybe he can't tell the difference but then he said that unlike my experience racing, he never looked down at friction shifter lever position and the actual pros I spoke to said that they always looked at the levers before reaching down.Andrew said he never looked down but I don't think he was referring to racing. Certainly you know where the position of the lever is but in racing you don't want to be grasping around trying to figure out what gear you're in.
So if Flunky never looked he was never up in the thick of the racing.
No big deal since he was racing for the sake of racing and not to be on the front.
When I was racing I sort of took it serious and although the cat 4's and 5's (I was 5) started a minute behind the Cat 1's, 2's and 3's, I would ride right up to the tail end group of 3's and then be too exhausted to do anything but ride with the tailend 3's. They did race amoung themselves but eventuslly the fast 4's would catch and pass us. My racing was all wrong and I should have stayed with the fast 4's which would have put me ahead of all but the fastest 5's and I would have advanced. But that
On 4/13/2025 12:32 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I don't know, maybe he can't tell the difference but then
he said that unlike my experience racing, he never looked
down at friction shifter lever position and the actual
pros I spoke to said that they always looked at the levers
before reaching down. Andrew said he never looked down but
I don't think he was referring to racing. Certainly you
know where the position of the lever is but in racing you
don't want to be grasping around trying to figure out what
gear you're in.
gawd....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjU2-x6Hcik
0:47 - rider in center of screen: Freddy Maertens.
1:31 - rider with black sleeves: Jan Raas. Yes, he looks
down, but only after he has already made the shift and is
putting his hand back on the bars
1:32 - Rider in green in the draft of Jan Raas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CHjZQSNo2s
4:47
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce6Hy57Cl8Y
1:12 - the rider on the left
17:19 - rider on left ( Greg Lemond)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akmRLwI80_o
1:38 - rider on the left in light colored jersey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U33kCGqzn8I
0:13 - Eddy Merckx
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_4uRR1Q1mA
1:35 - rider in center of screen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym7bfpp-gUw
2:05 - 3rd rider in line (might be Greg Lemonde?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCQ32pTF2Tg
2:50 - Alexi Grewal
11:08 - rider on the right
in other words, you're still a fucking idiot
So if Flunky never looked he was never up in the thick of
the racing.
Actually, the opposite is true. as all of the above videos
show, and every person in this forum who has commented
attests, there's no need to look down if you have a fucking
clue. You're likely confused about what any pro you claimed
to have spoken with ever told you, if not outright lying
about it.
No big deal since he was racing for the sake of racing and
not to be on the front.
You wouldn't know the difference.
When I was racing I sort of took it serious and although
the cat 4's and 5's (I was 5) started a minute behind the
Cat 1's, 2's and 3's, I would ride right up to the tail
end group of 3's and then be too exhausted to do anything
but ride with the tail end 3's. They did race amoung
themselves but eventuslly the fast 4's would catch and
pass us. My racing was all wrong and I should have stayed
with the fast 4's which would have put me ahead of all but
the fastest 5's and I would have advanced. But that was
just at the time I damaged my lungs so in the end it
didn't matter at all. But I can say that I was a 5 that
was as fast than the slower 3's. For all that's worth.
If you took it seriously, you would have eventually become a
cat 4, then a 3, possibly even further. The fact that you
never made it past a 5 shows that you never took it
seriously and sucked at it anyway.
So what did we learn from tommy's rant? Only that I continue
to live rent free in his head and he has an abnormal
obsession about me not dissimilar to the fetish the floriduh
dumbass has for frank.
On 4/13/2025 12:32 PM, cyclintom wrote:Andrew said he never looked down but I don't think he was referring to racing. Certainly you know where the position of the lever is but in racing you don't want to be grasping around trying to figure out what gear you're in.
I don't know, maybe he can't tell the difference but then he said that unlike my experience racing, he never looked down at friction shifter lever position and the actual pros I spoke to said that they always looked at the levers before reaching down.
gawd....end 3's. They did race amoung themselves but eventuslly the fast 4's would catch and pass us. My racing was all wrong and I should have stayed with the fast 4's which would have put me ahead of all but the fastest 5's and I would have advanced. But that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjU2-x6Hcik
0:47 - rider in center of screen: Freddy Maertens.
1:31 - rider with black sleeves: Jan Raas. Yes, he looks down, but only
after he has already made the shift and is putting his hand back on the bars >1:32 - Rider in green in the draft of Jan Raas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CHjZQSNo2s
4:47
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce6Hy57Cl8Y
1:12 - the rider on the left
17:19 - rider on left ( Greg Lemond)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akmRLwI80_o
1:38 - rider on the left in light colored jersey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U33kCGqzn8I
0:13 - Eddy Merckx
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_4uRR1Q1mA
1:35 - rider in center of screen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym7bfpp-gUw
2:05 - 3rd rider in line (might be Greg Lemonde?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCQ32pTF2Tg
2:50 - Alexi Grewal
11:08 - rider on the right
in other words, you're still a fucking idiot
So if Flunky never looked he was never up in the thick of the racing.
Actually, the opposite is true. as all of the above videos show, and
every person in this forum who has commented attests, there's no need to
look down if you have a fucking clue. You're likely confused about what
any pro you claimed to have spoken with ever told you, if not outright
lying about it.
No big deal since he was racing for the sake of racing and not to be on the front.
You wouldn't know the difference.
When I was racing I sort of took it serious and although the cat 4's and 5's (I was 5) started a minute behind the Cat 1's, 2's and 3's, I would ride right up to the tail end group of 3's and then be too exhausted to do anything but ride with the tail
If you took it seriously, you would have eventually become a cat 4, then
a 3, possibly even further. The fact that you never made it past a 5
shows that you never took it seriously and sucked at it anyway.
So what did we learn from tommy's rant? Only that I continue to live
rent free in his head and he has an abnormal obsession about me not >dissimilar to the fetish the floriduh dumbass has for frank.
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
I finally started riding again March 30 and since then have gotten in 120
miles. 20 of those miles were not recorded on the Garmin which had
something to so with the software update.
In any case, that updatehad some funny actions. I did not turn on the
fall warning which was supposed to send an emergency message out through
your phone. But it never-the-less was operating from the strong
vibrations from the disc brakes. Yesterday I used the rim brake DeRosa
Merac and had no such messages. It did record the stop recording message
when I would come to a stop.
With two months off of the bike my legs are getting really tired from
every ride. And my average speed is back up to 11 mph from the 8 it had
dropped to after the last software update.
I know Roger doesn't think that the software is being updated and he is
quite correct that the software version number has not changed, but I
have noted that the operation of the Gatmin 830 has changed and version
numbers usually don't changer automatically (though I think that Microsoft Windows does.)
I have the same device so im well aware of any updates that come out, it’s only had date updates ie time zones.
Its system is still on 9.75 unless one is in the Beta program which seems unwise frankly! And has no updates for two years or so.
It’s Maps and Trailforks are 2024.20 so updates of the maps and trails last year.
Considering that the 850/550 is likely in the next year or so, the idea
that they are still changing the interface on the xx30 generation when the xx40 generation is out, the 830 has some love due to being “old” and stable
if one can find one being sold, they aren’t sold by Garmin any more though where until recently though the 130 does still remain.
In short you’re confused and just plain wrong about this.
Roger Merriman
On 4/13/2025 2:07 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
I finally started riding again March 30 and since then have gotten in 120 >>> miles. 20 of those miles were not recorded on the Garmin which had
something to so with the software update.
In any case, that updatehad some funny actions. I did not turn on the
fall warning which was supposed to send an emergency message out through >>> your phone. But it never-the-less was operating from the strong
vibrations from the disc brakes. Yesterday I used the rim brake DeRosa
Merac and had no such messages. It did record the stop recording message >>> when I would come to a stop.
With two months off of the bike my legs are getting really tired from
every ride. And my average speed is back up to 11 mph from the 8 it had
dropped to after the last software update.
I know Roger doesn't think that the software is being updated and he is
quite correct that the software version number has not changed, but I
have noted that the operation of the Gatmin 830 has changed and version
numbers usually don't changer automatically (though I think that Microsoft Windows does.)
I have the same device so im well aware of any updates that come out, it’s >> only had date updates ie time zones.
Its system is still on 9.75 unless one is in the Beta program which seems
unwise frankly! And has no updates for two years or so.
It’s Maps and Trailforks are 2024.20 so updates of the maps and trails last
year.
Considering that the 850/550 is likely in the next year or so, the idea
that they are still changing the interface on the xx30 generation when the >> xx40 generation is out, the 830 has some love due to being “old” and stable
if one can find one being sold, they aren’t sold by Garmin any more though >> where until recently though the 130 does still remain.
In short you’re confused and just plain wrong about this.
Roger Merriman
Did tommy really just claim that garmin is updating the firmware without changing the the version?
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
I finally started riding again March 30 and since then have gotten in 120 miles. 20 of those miles were not recorded on the Garmin which had something to so with the software update.
In any case, that updatehad some funny actions. I did not turn on the
fall warning which was supposed to send an emergency message out through your phone. But it never-the-less was operating from the strong
vibrations from the disc brakes. Yesterday I used the rim brake DeRosa Merac and had no such messages. It did record the stop recording message when I would come to a stop.
With two months off of the bike my legs are getting really tired from
every ride. And my average speed is back up to 11 mph from the 8 it had dropped to after the last software update.
I know Roger doesn't think that the software is being updated and he is quite correct that the software version number has not changed, but I
have noted that the operation of the Gatmin 830 has changed and version numbers usually don't changer automatically (though I think that Microsoft Windows does.)
I have the same device so im well aware of any updates that come out, it?s only had date updates ie time zones.
Its system is still on 9.75 unless one is in the Beta program which seems unwise frankly! And has no updates for two years or so.
It?s Maps and Trailforks are 2024.20 so updates of the maps and trails last year.
Considering that the 850/550 is likely in the next year or so, the idea
that they are still changing the interface on the xx30 generation when the xx40 generation is out, the 830 has some love due to being ?old? and stable if one can find one being sold, they aren?t sold by Garmin any more though where until recently though the 130 does still remain.
In short you?re confused and just plain wrong about this.
So now I have to work my way up to riding like I had been. My climbing is slow and labored and I have to be careful of my blood pressure.
I put 170 mm cranks on the DeRosa Idol instead of the 172.5 mm and AGAIN
I will repeat, despite Flunky's beliefs, I could defihnitely tell the different between those and the 172.5's. The climg required me to drop
down another gear. And this was on some descent climbs.
I don't know, maybe he can't tell the difference but then he said that unlike my experience racing, he never looked down at friction shifter
lever position and the actual pros I spoke to said that they always
looked at the levers before reaching down. Andrew said he never looked
down but I don't think he was referring to racing. Certainly you know
where the position of the lever is but in racing you don't want to be grasping around trying to figure out what gear you're in.
So if Flunky never looked he was never up in the thick of the racing. No big deal since he was racing for the sake of racing and not to be on the front. When I was racing I sort of took it serious and although the cat
4's and 5's (I was 5) started a minute behind the Cat 1's, 2's and 3's, I would ride right up to the tail end group of 3's and then be too
exhausted to do anything but ride with the tail end 3's. They did race amoung themselves but eventuslly the fast 4's would catch and pass us. My racing was all wrong and I should have stayed with the fast 4's which
would have put me ahead of all but the fastest 5's and I would have advanced. But that was just at the time I damaged my lungs so in the end
it didn't matter at all. But I can say that I was a 5 that was as fast
than the slower 3's. For all that's worth.
I have all of my bikes except for the DeRosa's and the Time up for sale.
I do have someone interested in the Di2 Ridley. If that sells it should
be easier to sell the other bikes because they are all high end bikes
with Dura Ace on them (Colnago Dream HP, Moser M82 and Specialized Allez with a Campy 11 speed Centaur group. If the Time rides like I think it will, I will also sell the Basso Loto and the BMC SLC-01 which has an 11 speed Campy Chorus group.
Roger Merriman
Yes to all that.
But simpler, a priori, why would a man look at a shifter
when he could look at the cute girl riding next to him?
(I actually rode into a parked truck doing just that. Shed
lots of blood learning to watch where one is riding.)
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
I finally started riding again March 30 and since then have gotten in 120 miles. 20 of those miles were not recorded on the Garmin which had something to so with the software update.
In any case, that updatehad some funny actions. I did not turn on the
fall warning which was supposed to send an emergency message out through your phone. But it never-the-less was operating from the strong
vibrations from the disc brakes. Yesterday I used the rim brake DeRosa Merac and had no such messages. It did record the stop recording message when I would come to a stop.
With two months off of the bike my legs are getting really tired from
every ride. And my average speed is back up to 11 mph from the 8 it had dropped to after the last software update.
I know Roger doesn't think that the software is being updated and he is quite correct that the software version number has not changed, but I
have noted that the operation of the Gatmin 830 has changed and version numbers usually don't changer automatically (though I think that Microsoft Windows does.)
I have the same device so im well aware of any updates that come out, it?s only had date updates ie time zones.
Its system is still on 9.75 unless one is in the Beta program which seems unwise frankly! And has no updates for two years or so.
It?s Maps and Trailforks are 2024.20 so updates of the maps and trails last year.
Considering that the 850/550 is likely in the next year or so, the idea
that they are still changing the interface on the xx30 generation when the xx40 generation is out, the 830 has some love due to being ?old? and stable if one can find one being sold, they aren?t sold by Garmin any more though where until recently though the 130 does still remain.
In short you?re confused and just plain wrong about this.
So now I have to work my way up to riding like I had been. My climbing is slow and labored and I have to be careful of my blood pressure.
I put 170 mm cranks on the DeRosa Idol instead of the 172.5 mm and AGAIN
I will repeat, despite Flunky's beliefs, I could defihnitely tell the different between those and the 172.5's. The climg required me to drop
down another gear. And this was on some descent climbs.
I don't know, maybe he can't tell the difference but then he said that unlike my experience racing, he never looked down at friction shifter
lever position and the actual pros I spoke to said that they always
looked at the levers before reaching down. Andrew said he never looked
down but I don't think he was referring to racing. Certainly you know
where the position of the lever is but in racing you don't want to be grasping around trying to figure out what gear you're in.
So if Flunky never looked he was never up in the thick of the racing. No big deal since he was racing for the sake of racing and not to be on the front. When I was racing I sort of took it serious and although the cat
4's and 5's (I was 5) started a minute behind the Cat 1's, 2's and 3's, I would ride right up to the tail end group of 3's and then be too
exhausted to do anything but ride with the tail end 3's. They did race amoung themselves but eventuslly the fast 4's would catch and pass us. My racing was all wrong and I should have stayed with the fast 4's which
would have put me ahead of all but the fastest 5's and I would have advanced. But that was just at the time I damaged my lungs so in the end
it didn't matter at all. But I can say that I was a 5 that was as fast
than the slower 3's. For all that's worth.
I have all of my bikes except for the DeRosa's and the Time up for sale.
I do have someone interested in the Di2 Ridley. If that sells it should
be easier to sell the other bikes because they are all high end bikes
with Dura Ace on them (Colnago Dream HP, Moser M82 and Specialized Allez with a Campy 11 speed Centaur group. If the Time rides like I think it will, I will also sell the Basso Loto and the BMC SLC-01 which has an 11 speed Campy Chorus group.
On 4/14/2025 4:03 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:Right? yet another narcissistic troll living in an obliviousness of his
It's pretty clear that I live rent free in Junior's head and that he
has an abnormal obsession about me...
:-) Wow, _that's_ funny! :-)
On Sun Apr 13 18:07:49 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
I finally started riding again March 30 and since then have gotten in 120 >>> miles. 20 of those miles were not recorded on the Garmin which had
something to so with the software update.
In any case, that updatehad some funny actions. I did not turn on the
fall warning which was supposed to send an emergency message out through >>> your phone. But it never-the-less was operating from the strong
vibrations from the disc brakes. Yesterday I used the rim brake DeRosa
Merac and had no such messages. It did record the stop recording message >>> when I would come to a stop.
With two months off of the bike my legs are getting really tired from
every ride. And my average speed is back up to 11 mph from the 8 it had
dropped to after the last software update.
I know Roger doesn't think that the software is being updated and he is
quite correct that the software version number has not changed, but I
have noted that the operation of the Gatmin 830 has changed and version
numbers usually don't changer automatically (though I think that Microsoft Windows does.)
I have the same device so im well aware of any updates that come out, it?s >> only had date updates ie time zones.
Its system is still on 9.75 unless one is in the Beta program which seems
unwise frankly! And has no updates for two years or so.
It?s Maps and Trailforks are 2024.20 so updates of the maps and trails last >> year.
Considering that the 850/550 is likely in the next year or so, the idea
that they are still changing the interface on the xx30 generation when the >> xx40 generation is out, the 830 has some love due to being ?old? and stable >> if one can find one being sold, they aren?t sold by Garmin any more though >> where until recently though the 130 does still remain.
In short you?re confused and just plain wrong about this.
So now I have to work my way up to riding like I had been. My climbing is >>> slow and labored and I have to be careful of my blood pressure.
I put 170 mm cranks on the DeRosa Idol instead of the 172.5 mm and AGAIN >>> I will repeat, despite Flunky's beliefs, I could defihnitely tell the
different between those and the 172.5's. The climg required me to drop
down another gear. And this was on some descent climbs.
I don't know, maybe he can't tell the difference but then he said that
unlike my experience racing, he never looked down at friction shifter
lever position and the actual pros I spoke to said that they always
looked at the levers before reaching down. Andrew said he never looked
down but I don't think he was referring to racing. Certainly you know
where the position of the lever is but in racing you don't want to be
grasping around trying to figure out what gear you're in.
So if Flunky never looked he was never up in the thick of the racing. No >>> big deal since he was racing for the sake of racing and not to be on the >>> front. When I was racing I sort of took it serious and although the cat
4's and 5's (I was 5) started a minute behind the Cat 1's, 2's and 3's, I >>> would ride right up to the tail end group of 3's and then be too
exhausted to do anything but ride with the tail end 3's. They did race
amoung themselves but eventuslly the fast 4's would catch and pass us. My >>> racing was all wrong and I should have stayed with the fast 4's which
would have put me ahead of all but the fastest 5's and I would have
advanced. But that was just at the time I damaged my lungs so in the end >>> it didn't matter at all. But I can say that I was a 5 that was as fast
than the slower 3's. For all that's worth.
I have all of my bikes except for the DeRosa's and the Time up for sale. >>> I do have someone interested in the Di2 Ridley. If that sells it should
be easier to sell the other bikes because they are all high end bikes
with Dura Ace on them (Colnago Dream HP, Moser M82 and Specialized Allez >>> with a Campy 11 speed Centaur group. If the Time rides like I think it
will, I will also sell the Basso Loto and the BMC SLC-01 which has an 11 >>> speed Campy Chorus group.
Roger, this was not a road update. What's more, as I explained to you, my
av erage speed went from 8 mph to 10.5 to 11 mph which it was before
after January of 2023. This WAS NOT from me setting the setting of the
stop feature that Flunky brought to my attention (and which wasn't in the operations section of the manual) but was shown as "Average moving speed"
in the readout on Garmin Express.
So I don't know why you continue to say that there was no update because
in January I put in 400 miles and showed an average of 8 mph while On
March 28 when I took my first complete ride since the stroke, it said
that I needed a software update, completed that in a minute or more, and
then had a 10.5 mph "moving average" which it didn't have before. And
after the two months off and the stroke interfering with my vision
somewhat, I feel quite a bit slower than in January.
So stop saying that my 830 wasn't updated because ALL of the numbers say
that you're incorrect. And the Garmin Expres SAID that my computer
program needed updating. Now it is saying that my road maps need updating
and I don't do that because it is so slight it only takes a second or
two. The roads are not changing. So the Express said I needed an update
and the averrage speed numbers are more than 25% faster. And I am
tangibly slower because I cannot keep up with the group now when I could lead it before.
On 14 Apr 2025 16:22:45 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Tom your claiming the world is flat!
The world is flat. That's because everyone who rides on pneumatic
rubber tires has numerous punctures from steel belted radial wires
with corresponding air leaks. We're all doomed. Soon, everyone will
be riding on flat tires.
Tom your claiming the world is flat!
On 4/14/2025 4:03 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
It's pretty clear that I live rent free in Junior's head and that he
has an abnormal obsession about me...
:-) Wow, _that's_ funny! :-)
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