<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever its a moving target so may well >change.
Roger Merriman
On 26 Apr 2025 09:14:12 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it’s a moving target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Many countries have tariffs on products from the USA. I see no reason
why the USA shouldn't have tariffs on their products. Maybe it will
bring manufacturing back, maybe not. The USA used to be a
manufacturing powerhouse and the bureaucratic jackasses let it slip
away. I don't know if Trump's plans can save the country, but it was definatly going to hell with the same old, same old plans. At least
he's trying something new.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On 26 Apr 2025 09:14:12 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the tariffs are effecting >US companies certainly small ones, as ever it?s a moving target so may well >change.
Roger Merriman
Many countries have tariffs on products from the USA. I see no reason
why the USA shouldn't have tariffs on their products. Maybe it will
bring manufacturing back, maybe not. The USA used to be a
manufacturing powerhouse and the bureaucratic jackasses let it slip
away. I don't know if Trump's plans can save the country, but it was definatly going to hell with the same old, same old plans. At least
he's trying something new.
On 4/26/2025 12:41 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On 26 Apr 2025 09:14:12 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the tariffs are effecting >>> US companies certainly small ones, as ever its a moving target so may well >>> change.
Roger Merriman
Many countries have tariffs on products from the USA. I see no reason
why the USA shouldn't have tariffs on their products. Maybe it will
bring manufacturing back, maybe not. The USA used to be a
manufacturing powerhouse and the bureaucratic jackasses let it slip
away. I don't know if Trump's plans can save the country, but it was
definatly going to hell with the same old, same old plans. At least
he's trying something new.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I am in complete agreement on the importance and benefit of
removing disparate tariffs.
I can't agree that it will make a significant difference in
industrial production. With our Byzantine regulations, bans,
permits, reviews and so on, plus unions, and a combination
of apathy and lack of skills in younger generations ('don't
know. don't care') there's no obvious path to refining our
huge stores of rare earths, making steel from our excellent
iron ore and coking coal, building ships once more or a
gazillion other lost industrial projects.
Reciprocal tariffs are good, and moral, but the effect will
be about the same as increasing the oceans' volume by
pissing in them.
On Sat Apr 26 13:41:16 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
On 26 Apr 2025 09:14:12 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the tariffs are effecting >>> US companies certainly small ones, as ever it?s a moving target so may well >>> change.
Roger Merriman
Many countries have tariffs on products from the USA. I see no reason
why the USA shouldn't have tariffs on their products. Maybe it will
bring manufacturing back, maybe not. The USA used to be a
manufacturing powerhouse and the bureaucratic jackasses let it slip
away. I don't know if Trump's plans can save the country, but it was
definatly going to hell with the same old, same old plans. At least
he's trying something new.
According to the Democrats tarriffws are good for other countries but not for Ameriucs. It was perfectly OK for Clinton to apply larger tarrifs to foreign goods than TGrump is doing but perfectly awful for Trump to do titfor tat..
Time to put these people away.
On 26 Apr 2025 09:14:12 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever its a moving target so may well >> change.
Roger Merriman
Many countries have tariffs on products from the USA. I see no reason
why the USA shouldn't have tariffs on their products. Maybe it will
bring manufacturing back, maybe not. The USA used to be a
manufacturing powerhouse and the bureaucratic jackasses let it slip
away. I don't know if Trump's plans can save the country, but it was definatly going to hell with the same old, same old plans. At least
he's trying something new.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On 4/26/2025 12:41 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On 26 Apr 2025 09:14:12 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the tariffs are effecting >>> US companies certainly small ones, as ever it’s a moving target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Many countries have tariffs on products from the USA. I see no reason
why the USA shouldn't have tariffs on their products. Maybe it will
bring manufacturing back, maybe not. The USA used to be a
manufacturing powerhouse and the bureaucratic jackasses let it slip
away. I don't know if Trump's plans can save the country, but it was
definatly going to hell with the same old, same old plans. At least
he's trying something new.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I am in complete agreement on the importance and benefit of
removing disparate tariffs.
I can't agree that it will make a significant difference in
industrial production. With our Byzantine regulations, bans,
permits, reviews and so on, plus unions, and a combination
of apathy and lack of skills in younger generations ('don't
know. don't care') there's no obvious path to refining our
huge stores of rare earths, making steel from our excellent
iron ore and coking coal, building ships once more or a
gazillion other lost industrial projects.
Reciprocal tariffs are good, and moral, but the effect will
be about the same as increasing the oceans' volume by
pissing in them.
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 26 Apr 2025 09:14:12 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the tariffs are effecting >>> US companies certainly small ones, as ever its a moving target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Many countries have tariffs on products from the USA. I see no reason
why the USA shouldn't have tariffs on their products. Maybe it will
bring manufacturing back, maybe not. The USA used to be a
manufacturing powerhouse and the bureaucratic jackasses let it slip
away. I don't know if Trump's plans can save the country, but it was
definatly going to hell with the same old, same old plans. At least
he's trying something new.
USA tariffs used to be in line with most other countries, hence the easy trade across countries and indeed multiple parts and so on, this is well a trade war with China mostly.
--Roger Merriman
C'est bon
Soloman
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/26/2025 12:41 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On 26 Apr 2025 09:14:12 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the tariffs are effecting >>>> US companies certainly small ones, as ever it’s a moving target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Many countries have tariffs on products from the USA. I see no reason
why the USA shouldn't have tariffs on their products. Maybe it will
bring manufacturing back, maybe not. The USA used to be a
manufacturing powerhouse and the bureaucratic jackasses let it slip
away. I don't know if Trump's plans can save the country, but it was
definatly going to hell with the same old, same old plans. At least
he's trying something new.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I am in complete agreement on the importance and benefit of
removing disparate tariffs.
I can't agree that it will make a significant difference in
industrial production. With our Byzantine regulations, bans,
permits, reviews and so on, plus unions, and a combination
of apathy and lack of skills in younger generations ('don't
know. don't care') there's no obvious path to refining our
huge stores of rare earths, making steel from our excellent
iron ore and coking coal, building ships once more or a
gazillion other lost industrial projects.
Europe seems to have kept a bit more of its industrial base, and plenty of regulations and unions, French in particular do like a good strike!
Europe and Us have lost a most of their industrial capacity, for largely
cost reasons, though some industries remain such as military.
This isn’t reciprocal but a trade war with China, which is a PR wonder for the Chinese government as they can blame you now, ie the US for any
Reciprocal tariffs are good, and moral, but the effect will
be about the same as increasing the oceans' volume by
pissing in them.
problems.
Roger Merriman
https://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/54478352605/in/datetaken/On 26 Apr 2025 20:06:30 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 26 Apr 2025 09:14:12 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the tariffs are effecting >>> US companies certainly small ones, as ever it?s a moving target so may well >>> change.
Roger Merriman
Many countries have tariffs on products from the USA. I see no reason
why the USA shouldn't have tariffs on their products. Maybe it will
bring manufacturing back, maybe not. The USA used to be a
manufacturing powerhouse and the bureaucratic jackasses let it slip
away. I don't know if Trump's plans can save the country, but it was
definatly going to hell with the same old, same old plans. At least
he's trying something new.
USA tariffs used to be in line with most other countries, hence the easy >trade across countries and indeed multiple parts and so on, this is well a >trade war with China mostly.
--Roger Merriman
C'est bon
Soloman
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/26/2025 12:41 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On 26 Apr 2025 09:14:12 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the tariffs are effecting >>>> US companies certainly small ones, as ever its a moving target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Many countries have tariffs on products from the USA. I see no reason
why the USA shouldn't have tariffs on their products. Maybe it will
bring manufacturing back, maybe not. The USA used to be a
manufacturing powerhouse and the bureaucratic jackasses let it slip
away. I don't know if Trump's plans can save the country, but it was
definatly going to hell with the same old, same old plans. At least
he's trying something new.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I am in complete agreement on the importance and benefit of
removing disparate tariffs.
I can't agree that it will make a significant difference in
industrial production. With our Byzantine regulations, bans,
permits, reviews and so on, plus unions, and a combination
of apathy and lack of skills in younger generations ('don't
know. don't care') there's no obvious path to refining our
huge stores of rare earths, making steel from our excellent
iron ore and coking coal, building ships once more or a
gazillion other lost industrial projects.
Europe seems to have kept a bit more of its industrial base, and plenty of >regulations and unions, French in particular do like a good strike!
Europe and Us have lost a most of their industrial capacity, for largely
cost reasons, though some industries remain such as military.
This isnt reciprocal but a trade war with China, which is a PR wonder for >the Chinese government as they can blame you now, ie the US for any
Reciprocal tariffs are good, and moral, but the effect will
be about the same as increasing the oceans' volume by
pissing in them.
problems.
Roger Merriman
On 4/26/2025 3:06 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/26/2025 12:41 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On 26 Apr 2025 09:14:12 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the tariffs are effecting >>>>> US companies certainly small ones, as ever it’s a moving target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Many countries have tariffs on products from the USA. I see no reason
why the USA shouldn't have tariffs on their products. Maybe it will
bring manufacturing back, maybe not. The USA used to be a
manufacturing powerhouse and the bureaucratic jackasses let it slip
away. I don't know if Trump's plans can save the country, but it was
definatly going to hell with the same old, same old plans. At least
he's trying something new.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I am in complete agreement on the importance and benefit of
removing disparate tariffs.
I can't agree that it will make a significant difference in
industrial production. With our Byzantine regulations, bans,
permits, reviews and so on, plus unions, and a combination
of apathy and lack of skills in younger generations ('don't
know. don't care') there's no obvious path to refining our
huge stores of rare earths, making steel from our excellent
iron ore and coking coal, building ships once more or a
gazillion other lost industrial projects.
Europe seems to have kept a bit more of its industrial base, and plenty of >> regulations and unions, French in particular do like a good strike!
Europe and Us have lost a most of their industrial capacity, for largely
cost reasons, though some industries remain such as military.
This isn’t reciprocal but a trade war with China, which is a PR wonder for >> the Chinese government as they can blame you now, ie the US for any
Reciprocal tariffs are good, and moral, but the effect will
be about the same as increasing the oceans' volume by
pissing in them.
problems.
Roger Merriman
There are many factors, domestic and foreign. The results
have become critical:
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/uk-steel-decades-of-decline/
On Sat, 26 Apr 2025 14:33:53 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/26/2025 1:15 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sat Apr 26 13:41:16 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
On 26 Apr 2025 09:14:12 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the tariffs are effecting >>>>> US companies certainly small ones, as ever it?s a moving target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Many countries have tariffs on products from the USA. I see no reason
why the USA shouldn't have tariffs on their products. Maybe it will
bring manufacturing back, maybe not. The USA used to be a
manufacturing powerhouse and the bureaucratic jackasses let it slip
away. I don't know if Trump's plans can save the country, but it was
definatly going to hell with the same old, same old plans. At least
he's trying something new.
According to the Democrats tarriffws are good for other countries but not for Ameriucs. It was perfectly OK for Clinton to apply larger tarrifs to foreign goods than TGrump is doing but perfectly awful for Trump to do titfor tat..
Time to put these people away.
You do not understand the problem. Duty disparities are
broad, deep, convoluted and often at multiple cross
purposes. Oh, and they span every administration since
nearly forever.
All that applies in spades to domestic micromanagement in
targeted areas in this and every country, what with
incentives (bribes) and disincentives (punishment) of a
hundred flavors in thousand of iterations.
Small example-
United States of America is written in Japanese as Beikoku:
https://www.pngegg.com/en/png-fnrij
or "rice" + "country", as the reformation of language in the
1860s was contemporaneous with plentiful and inexpensive
American rice imports.
That was long, long ago, before nearly all Japanese
administrations encouraged (subsidized) extremely small
inefficient farms. Along with the votes of farmers, whose
numbers would decrease if farms were combined into larger
fields. (this is happening in USA now, a continuance of a
long trend, with more food production from less labor, but a
side effect is decreased farmer votes. In some counties this
has had major political effect.)
https://ap.fftc.org.tw/article/1327
And don't think we're better. Review USA sugar subsidies,
price supports and duties which are no better than policies
for rice in Japan.
Or the Harley Tax. Or the Chicken Tax.
I have been an importer of tubular bicycle tires across a
half dozen entities, including Yellow Jersey, for over 50
years. That's a product we have not made here in USA since
before The Great Pacific War. I pay import duty on each and
every tire and the rate hasn't changed, up or down, in a
half century.
Ah but... what would be the cost of setting up a factory and
manufacturing bike tires in the U.S.? Is it possible for the U.S. to
compete with foreign bicycle tire makers?
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 04:47:34 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 07:40:05 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 26 Apr 2025 14:33:53 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/26/2025 1:15 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sat Apr 26 13:41:16 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
On 26 Apr 2025 09:14:12 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>>
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it?s a moving target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Many countries have tariffs on products from the USA. I see no reason >>>>>> why the USA shouldn't have tariffs on their products. Maybe it will >>>>>> bring manufacturing back, maybe not. The USA used to be a
manufacturing powerhouse and the bureaucratic jackasses let it slip >>>>>> away. I don't know if Trump's plans can save the country, but it was >>>>>> definatly going to hell with the same old, same old plans. At least >>>>>> he's trying something new.
According to the Democrats tarriffws are good for other countries but not for Ameriucs. It was perfectly OK for Clinton to apply larger tarrifs to foreign goods than TGrump is doing but perfectly awful for Trump to do titfor tat..
Time to put these people away.
You do not understand the problem. Duty disparities are
broad, deep, convoluted and often at multiple cross
purposes. Oh, and they span every administration since
nearly forever.
All that applies in spades to domestic micromanagement in
targeted areas in this and every country, what with
incentives (bribes) and disincentives (punishment) of a
hundred flavors in thousand of iterations.
Small example-
United States of America is written in Japanese as Beikoku:
https://www.pngegg.com/en/png-fnrij
or "rice" + "country", as the reformation of language in the
1860s was contemporaneous with plentiful and inexpensive
American rice imports.
That was long, long ago, before nearly all Japanese
administrations encouraged (subsidized) extremely small
inefficient farms. Along with the votes of farmers, whose
numbers would decrease if farms were combined into larger
fields. (this is happening in USA now, a continuance of a
long trend, with more food production from less labor, but a
side effect is decreased farmer votes. In some counties this
has had major political effect.)
https://ap.fftc.org.tw/article/1327
And don't think we're better. Review USA sugar subsidies,
price supports and duties which are no better than policies
for rice in Japan.
Or the Harley Tax. Or the Chicken Tax.
I have been an importer of tubular bicycle tires across a
half dozen entities, including Yellow Jersey, for over 50
years. That's a product we have not made here in USA since
before The Great Pacific War. I pay import duty on each and
every tire and the rate hasn't changed, up or down, in a
half century.
Ah but... what would be the cost of setting up a factory and >>>manufacturing bike tires in the U.S.? Is it possible for the U.S. to >>>compete with foreign bicycle tire makers?
I suspect that building a bicycle tire factory costs less then the
building an automobile factory and auto manufacturers have been moving >>their factories around for years.
True and usually for very good reasons, cost of operations. Normal
minimum salary in Mexico were a number of car factories have recently
open is US $2.04/hour while in the U.S. it is $7.25/hour.
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 04:47:34 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 07:40:05 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 26 Apr 2025 14:33:53 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/26/2025 1:15 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sat Apr 26 13:41:16 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
On 26 Apr 2025 09:14:12 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>>
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it?s a moving target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Many countries have tariffs on products from the USA. I see no reason >>>>>> why the USA shouldn't have tariffs on their products. Maybe it will >>>>>> bring manufacturing back, maybe not. The USA used to be a
manufacturing powerhouse and the bureaucratic jackasses let it slip >>>>>> away. I don't know if Trump's plans can save the country, but it was >>>>>> definatly going to hell with the same old, same old plans. At least >>>>>> he's trying something new.
According to the Democrats tarriffws are good for other countries but >>>>> not for Ameriucs. It was perfectly OK for Clinton to apply larger
tarrifs to foreign goods than TGrump is doing but perfectly awful for >>>>> Trump to do titfor tat..
Time to put these people away.
You do not understand the problem. Duty disparities are
broad, deep, convoluted and often at multiple cross
purposes. Oh, and they span every administration since
nearly forever.
All that applies in spades to domestic micromanagement in
targeted areas in this and every country, what with
incentives (bribes) and disincentives (punishment) of a
hundred flavors in thousand of iterations.
Small example-
United States of America is written in Japanese as Beikoku:
https://www.pngegg.com/en/png-fnrij
or "rice" + "country", as the reformation of language in the
1860s was contemporaneous with plentiful and inexpensive
American rice imports.
That was long, long ago, before nearly all Japanese
administrations encouraged (subsidized) extremely small
inefficient farms. Along with the votes of farmers, whose
numbers would decrease if farms were combined into larger
fields. (this is happening in USA now, a continuance of a
long trend, with more food production from less labor, but a
side effect is decreased farmer votes. In some counties this
has had major political effect.)
https://ap.fftc.org.tw/article/1327
And don't think we're better. Review USA sugar subsidies,
price supports and duties which are no better than policies
for rice in Japan.
Or the Harley Tax. Or the Chicken Tax.
I have been an importer of tubular bicycle tires across a
half dozen entities, including Yellow Jersey, for over 50
years. That's a product we have not made here in USA since
before The Great Pacific War. I pay import duty on each and
every tire and the rate hasn't changed, up or down, in a
half century.
Ah but... what would be the cost of setting up a factory and
manufacturing bike tires in the U.S.? Is it possible for the U.S. to
compete with foreign bicycle tire makers?
I suspect that building a bicycle tire factory costs less then the
building an automobile factory and auto manufacturers have been moving
their factories around for years.
True and usually for very good reasons, cost of operations. Normal
minimum salary in Mexico were a number of car factories have recently
open is US $2.04/hour while in the U.S. it is $7.25/hour.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/54478352605/in/datetaken/On 26
Apr 2025 20:06:30 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 26 Apr 2025 09:14:12 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the tariffs are effecting >>>> US companies certainly small ones, as ever it?s a moving target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Many countries have tariffs on products from the USA. I see no reason
why the USA shouldn't have tariffs on their products. Maybe it will
bring manufacturing back, maybe not. The USA used to be a
manufacturing powerhouse and the bureaucratic jackasses let it slip
away. I don't know if Trump's plans can save the country, but it was
definatly going to hell with the same old, same old plans. At least
he's trying something new.
USA tariffs used to be in line with most other countries, hence the easy
trade across countries and indeed multiple parts and so on, this is well a >> trade war with China mostly.
--Roger Merriman
C'est bon
Soloman
No, most foreign tarriffs were much greater than USA tarriffs,
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/automobile-tariffs-by-country
plus other countries put additional costs on some USA products.
I suggest that you stop paying attention to news sources that were,
for many years, telling you that Joe Biden was mentally and
empotionally fit to be President, when it's apparent that he was not.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 04:47:34 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 07:40:05 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 26 Apr 2025 14:33:53 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/26/2025 1:15 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sat Apr 26 13:41:16 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
On 26 Apr 2025 09:14:12 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>>
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it?s a moving target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Many countries have tariffs on products from the USA. I see no reason >>>>>> why the USA shouldn't have tariffs on their products. Maybe it will >>>>>> bring manufacturing back, maybe not. The USA used to be a
manufacturing powerhouse and the bureaucratic jackasses let it slip >>>>>> away. I don't know if Trump's plans can save the country, but it was >>>>>> definatly going to hell with the same old, same old plans. At least >>>>>> he's trying something new.
According to the Democrats tarriffws are good for other countries but not for Ameriucs. It was perfectly OK for Clinton to apply larger tarrifs to foreign goods than TGrump is doing but perfectly awful for Trump to do titfor tat..
Time to put these people away.
You do not understand the problem. Duty disparities are
broad, deep, convoluted and often at multiple cross
purposes. Oh, and they span every administration since
nearly forever.
All that applies in spades to domestic micromanagement in
targeted areas in this and every country, what with
incentives (bribes) and disincentives (punishment) of a
hundred flavors in thousand of iterations.
Small example-
United States of America is written in Japanese as Beikoku:
https://www.pngegg.com/en/png-fnrij
or "rice" + "country", as the reformation of language in the
1860s was contemporaneous with plentiful and inexpensive
American rice imports.
That was long, long ago, before nearly all Japanese
administrations encouraged (subsidized) extremely small
inefficient farms. Along with the votes of farmers, whose
numbers would decrease if farms were combined into larger
fields. (this is happening in USA now, a continuance of a
long trend, with more food production from less labor, but a
side effect is decreased farmer votes. In some counties this
has had major political effect.)
https://ap.fftc.org.tw/article/1327
And don't think we're better. Review USA sugar subsidies,
price supports and duties which are no better than policies
for rice in Japan.
Or the Harley Tax. Or the Chicken Tax.
I have been an importer of tubular bicycle tires across a
half dozen entities, including Yellow Jersey, for over 50
years. That's a product we have not made here in USA since
before The Great Pacific War. I pay import duty on each and
every tire and the rate hasn't changed, up or down, in a
half century.
Ah but... what would be the cost of setting up a factory and
manufacturing bike tires in the U.S.? Is it possible for the U.S. to
compete with foreign bicycle tire makers?
I suspect that building a bicycle tire factory costs less then the
building an automobile factory and auto manufacturers have been moving
their factories around for years.
True and usually for very good reasons, cost of operations. Normal
minimum salary in Mexico were a number of car factories have recently
open is US $2.04/hour while in the U.S. it is $7.25/hour.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/54478352605/in/datetaken/On 26 Apr 2025 20:06:30 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 26 Apr 2025 09:14:12 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the tariffs are effecting >>>> US companies certainly small ones, as ever it?s a moving target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Many countries have tariffs on products from the USA. I see no reason
why the USA shouldn't have tariffs on their products. Maybe it will
bring manufacturing back, maybe not. The USA used to be a
manufacturing powerhouse and the bureaucratic jackasses let it slip
away. I don't know if Trump's plans can save the country, but it was
definatly going to hell with the same old, same old plans. At least
he's trying something new.
USA tariffs used to be in line with most other countries, hence the easy
trade across countries and indeed multiple parts and so on, this is well a >> trade war with China mostly.
--Roger Merriman
C'est bon
Soloman
No, most foreign tarriffs were much greater than USA tarriffs,
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/automobile-tariffs-by-country
plus other countries put additional costs on some USA products.
I suggest that you stop paying attention to news sources that were,
for many years, telling you that Joe Biden was mentally and
empotionally fit to be President, when it's apparent that he was not.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/26/2025 3:06 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/26/2025 12:41 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On 26 Apr 2025 09:14:12 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it’s a moving target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Many countries have tariffs on products from the USA. I see no reason >>>>> why the USA shouldn't have tariffs on their products. Maybe it will
bring manufacturing back, maybe not. The USA used to be a
manufacturing powerhouse and the bureaucratic jackasses let it slip
away. I don't know if Trump's plans can save the country, but it was >>>>> definatly going to hell with the same old, same old plans. At least
he's trying something new.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I am in complete agreement on the importance and benefit of
removing disparate tariffs.
I can't agree that it will make a significant difference in
industrial production. With our Byzantine regulations, bans,
permits, reviews and so on, plus unions, and a combination
of apathy and lack of skills in younger generations ('don't
know. don't care') there's no obvious path to refining our
huge stores of rare earths, making steel from our excellent
iron ore and coking coal, building ships once more or a
gazillion other lost industrial projects.
Europe seems to have kept a bit more of its industrial base, and plenty of >>> regulations and unions, French in particular do like a good strike!
Europe and Us have lost a most of their industrial capacity, for largely >>> cost reasons, though some industries remain such as military.
This isn’t reciprocal but a trade war with China, which is a PR wonder for
Reciprocal tariffs are good, and moral, but the effect will
be about the same as increasing the oceans' volume by
pissing in them.
the Chinese government as they can blame you now, ie the US for any
problems.
Roger Merriman
There are many factors, domestic and foreign. The results
have become critical:
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/uk-steel-decades-of-decline/
Uk privatised services companies be that steel or otherwise are deeply unpopular and the general desire for nationalisation is there.
Governments have let the free markets be rather too free for various
reasons some ideological some political short term gains.
But it’s deeply unpopular now, last government essentially asset stripped the country!
Roger Merriman
On Sat, 26 Apr 2025 14:33:53 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/26/2025 1:15 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sat Apr 26 13:41:16 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
On 26 Apr 2025 09:14:12 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the tariffs are effecting >>>>> US companies certainly small ones, as ever it?s a moving target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Many countries have tariffs on products from the USA. I see no reason
why the USA shouldn't have tariffs on their products. Maybe it will
bring manufacturing back, maybe not. The USA used to be a
manufacturing powerhouse and the bureaucratic jackasses let it slip
away. I don't know if Trump's plans can save the country, but it was
definatly going to hell with the same old, same old plans. At least
he's trying something new.
According to the Democrats tarriffws are good for other countries but not for Ameriucs. It was perfectly OK for Clinton to apply larger tarrifs to foreign goods than TGrump is doing but perfectly awful for Trump to do titfor tat..
Time to put these people away.
You do not understand the problem. Duty disparities are
broad, deep, convoluted and often at multiple cross
purposes. Oh, and they span every administration since
nearly forever.
All that applies in spades to domestic micromanagement in
targeted areas in this and every country, what with
incentives (bribes) and disincentives (punishment) of a
hundred flavors in thousand of iterations.
Small example-
United States of America is written in Japanese as Beikoku:
https://www.pngegg.com/en/png-fnrij
or "rice" + "country", as the reformation of language in the
1860s was contemporaneous with plentiful and inexpensive
American rice imports.
That was long, long ago, before nearly all Japanese
administrations encouraged (subsidized) extremely small
inefficient farms. Along with the votes of farmers, whose
numbers would decrease if farms were combined into larger
fields. (this is happening in USA now, a continuance of a
long trend, with more food production from less labor, but a
side effect is decreased farmer votes. In some counties this
has had major political effect.)
https://ap.fftc.org.tw/article/1327
And don't think we're better. Review USA sugar subsidies,
price supports and duties which are no better than policies
for rice in Japan.
Or the Harley Tax. Or the Chicken Tax.
I have been an importer of tubular bicycle tires across a
half dozen entities, including Yellow Jersey, for over 50
years. That's a product we have not made here in USA since
before The Great Pacific War. I pay import duty on each and
every tire and the rate hasn't changed, up or down, in a
half century.
Ah but... what would be the cost of setting up a factory and
manufacturing bike tires in the U.S.? Is it possible for the U.S. to
compete with foreign bicycle tire makers?
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 04:47:34 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 07:40:05 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 26 Apr 2025 14:33:53 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/26/2025 1:15 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sat Apr 26 13:41:16 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
On 26 Apr 2025 09:14:12 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>>
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it?s a moving target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Many countries have tariffs on products from the USA. I see no reason >>>>>> why the USA shouldn't have tariffs on their products. Maybe it will >>>>>> bring manufacturing back, maybe not. The USA used to be a
manufacturing powerhouse and the bureaucratic jackasses let it slip >>>>>> away. I don't know if Trump's plans can save the country, but it was >>>>>> definatly going to hell with the same old, same old plans. At least >>>>>> he's trying something new.
According to the Democrats tarriffws are good for other countries but not for Ameriucs. It was perfectly OK for Clinton to apply larger tarrifs to foreign goods than TGrump is doing but perfectly awful for Trump to do titfor tat..
Time to put these people away.
You do not understand the problem. Duty disparities are
broad, deep, convoluted and often at multiple cross
purposes. Oh, and they span every administration since
nearly forever.
All that applies in spades to domestic micromanagement in
targeted areas in this and every country, what with
incentives (bribes) and disincentives (punishment) of a
hundred flavors in thousand of iterations.
Small example-
United States of America is written in Japanese as Beikoku:
https://www.pngegg.com/en/png-fnrij
or "rice" + "country", as the reformation of language in the
1860s was contemporaneous with plentiful and inexpensive
American rice imports.
That was long, long ago, before nearly all Japanese
administrations encouraged (subsidized) extremely small
inefficient farms. Along with the votes of farmers, whose
numbers would decrease if farms were combined into larger
fields. (this is happening in USA now, a continuance of a
long trend, with more food production from less labor, but a
side effect is decreased farmer votes. In some counties this
has had major political effect.)
https://ap.fftc.org.tw/article/1327
And don't think we're better. Review USA sugar subsidies,
price supports and duties which are no better than policies
for rice in Japan.
Or the Harley Tax. Or the Chicken Tax.
I have been an importer of tubular bicycle tires across a
half dozen entities, including Yellow Jersey, for over 50
years. That's a product we have not made here in USA since
before The Great Pacific War. I pay import duty on each and
every tire and the rate hasn't changed, up or down, in a
half century.
Ah but... what would be the cost of setting up a factory and
manufacturing bike tires in the U.S.? Is it possible for the U.S. to
compete with foreign bicycle tire makers?
I suspect that building a bicycle tire factory costs less then the
building an automobile factory and auto manufacturers have been moving
their factories around for years.
True and usually for very good reasons, cost of operations. Normal
minimum salary in Mexico were a number of car factories have recently
open is US $2.04/hour while in the U.S. it is $7.25/hour.
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 07:40:05 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 26 Apr 2025 14:33:53 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/26/2025 1:15 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sat Apr 26 13:41:16 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
On 26 Apr 2025 09:14:12 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it?s a moving target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Many countries have tariffs on products from the USA. I see no reason >>>>> why the USA shouldn't have tariffs on their products. Maybe it will
bring manufacturing back, maybe not. The USA used to be a
manufacturing powerhouse and the bureaucratic jackasses let it slip
away. I don't know if Trump's plans can save the country, but it was >>>>> definatly going to hell with the same old, same old plans. At least
he's trying something new.
According to the Democrats tarriffws are good for other countries but not for Ameriucs. It was perfectly OK for Clinton to apply larger tarrifs to foreign goods than TGrump is doing but perfectly awful for Trump to do titfor tat..
Time to put these people away.
You do not understand the problem. Duty disparities are
broad, deep, convoluted and often at multiple cross
purposes. Oh, and they span every administration since
nearly forever.
All that applies in spades to domestic micromanagement in
targeted areas in this and every country, what with
incentives (bribes) and disincentives (punishment) of a
hundred flavors in thousand of iterations.
Small example-
United States of America is written in Japanese as Beikoku:
https://www.pngegg.com/en/png-fnrij
or "rice" + "country", as the reformation of language in the
1860s was contemporaneous with plentiful and inexpensive
American rice imports.
That was long, long ago, before nearly all Japanese
administrations encouraged (subsidized) extremely small
inefficient farms. Along with the votes of farmers, whose
numbers would decrease if farms were combined into larger
fields. (this is happening in USA now, a continuance of a
long trend, with more food production from less labor, but a
side effect is decreased farmer votes. In some counties this
has had major political effect.)
https://ap.fftc.org.tw/article/1327
And don't think we're better. Review USA sugar subsidies,
price supports and duties which are no better than policies
for rice in Japan.
Or the Harley Tax. Or the Chicken Tax.
I have been an importer of tubular bicycle tires across a
half dozen entities, including Yellow Jersey, for over 50
years. That's a product we have not made here in USA since
before The Great Pacific War. I pay import duty on each and
every tire and the rate hasn't changed, up or down, in a
half century.
Ah but... what would be the cost of setting up a factory and
manufacturing bike tires in the U.S.? Is it possible for the U.S. to
compete with foreign bicycle tire makers?
I suspect that building a bicycle tire factory costs less then the
building an automobile factory and auto manufacturers have been moving
their factories around for years.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 04:47:34 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 07:40:05 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 26 Apr 2025 14:33:53 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>
On 4/26/2025 1:15 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sat Apr 26 13:41:16 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
On 26 Apr 2025 09:14:12 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>>>
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it?s a moving target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Many countries have tariffs on products from the USA. I see no reason >>>>>>> why the USA shouldn't have tariffs on their products. Maybe it will >>>>>>> bring manufacturing back, maybe not. The USA used to be a
manufacturing powerhouse and the bureaucratic jackasses let it slip >>>>>>> away. I don't know if Trump's plans can save the country, but it was >>>>>>> definatly going to hell with the same old, same old plans. At least >>>>>>> he's trying something new.
According to the Democrats tarriffws are good for other countries but >>>>>> not for Ameriucs. It was perfectly OK for Clinton to apply larger
tarrifs to foreign goods than TGrump is doing but perfectly awful for >>>>>> Trump to do titfor tat..
Time to put these people away.
You do not understand the problem. Duty disparities are
broad, deep, convoluted and often at multiple cross
purposes. Oh, and they span every administration since
nearly forever.
All that applies in spades to domestic micromanagement in
targeted areas in this and every country, what with
incentives (bribes) and disincentives (punishment) of a
hundred flavors in thousand of iterations.
Small example-
United States of America is written in Japanese as Beikoku:
https://www.pngegg.com/en/png-fnrij
or "rice" + "country", as the reformation of language in the
1860s was contemporaneous with plentiful and inexpensive
American rice imports.
That was long, long ago, before nearly all Japanese
administrations encouraged (subsidized) extremely small
inefficient farms. Along with the votes of farmers, whose
numbers would decrease if farms were combined into larger
fields. (this is happening in USA now, a continuance of a
long trend, with more food production from less labor, but a
side effect is decreased farmer votes. In some counties this
has had major political effect.)
https://ap.fftc.org.tw/article/1327
And don't think we're better. Review USA sugar subsidies,
price supports and duties which are no better than policies
for rice in Japan.
Or the Harley Tax. Or the Chicken Tax.
I have been an importer of tubular bicycle tires across a
half dozen entities, including Yellow Jersey, for over 50
years. That's a product we have not made here in USA since
before The Great Pacific War. I pay import duty on each and
every tire and the rate hasn't changed, up or down, in a
half century.
Ah but... what would be the cost of setting up a factory and
manufacturing bike tires in the U.S.? Is it possible for the U.S. to
compete with foreign bicycle tire makers?
I suspect that building a bicycle tire factory costs less then the
building an automobile factory and auto manufacturers have been moving
their factories around for years.
True and usually for very good reasons, cost of operations. Normal
minimum salary in Mexico were a number of car factories have recently
open is US $2.04/hour while in the U.S. it is $7.25/hour.
It’s also where the skilled labour plus equipment is, such as Silca couldn’t find a motor or battery of the right specifications at certainly not at a economic cost, I believe some us Military drone manufacturers
motors could be bought but would result in cost well above the market for such things.
Ie manufacturing takes decades to transfer from countries.
Roger Merriman
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 16:47:54 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 04:47:34 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 07:40:05 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 26 Apr 2025 14:33:53 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>
On 4/26/2025 1:15 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sat Apr 26 13:41:16 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
On 26 Apr 2025 09:14:12 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>>>
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it?s a moving target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Many countries have tariffs on products from the USA. I see no reason >>>>>>> why the USA shouldn't have tariffs on their products. Maybe it will >>>>>>> bring manufacturing back, maybe not. The USA used to be a
manufacturing powerhouse and the bureaucratic jackasses let it slip >>>>>>> away. I don't know if Trump's plans can save the country, but it was >>>>>>> definatly going to hell with the same old, same old plans. At least >>>>>>> he's trying something new.
According to the Democrats tarriffws are good for other countries but not for Ameriucs. It was perfectly OK for Clinton to apply larger tarrifs to foreign goods than TGrump is doing but perfectly awful for Trump to do titfor tat..
Time to put these people away.
You do not understand the problem. Duty disparities are
broad, deep, convoluted and often at multiple cross
purposes. Oh, and they span every administration since
nearly forever.
All that applies in spades to domestic micromanagement in
targeted areas in this and every country, what with
incentives (bribes) and disincentives (punishment) of a
hundred flavors in thousand of iterations.
Small example-
United States of America is written in Japanese as Beikoku:
https://www.pngegg.com/en/png-fnrij
or "rice" + "country", as the reformation of language in the
1860s was contemporaneous with plentiful and inexpensive
American rice imports.
That was long, long ago, before nearly all Japanese
administrations encouraged (subsidized) extremely small
inefficient farms. Along with the votes of farmers, whose
numbers would decrease if farms were combined into larger
fields. (this is happening in USA now, a continuance of a
long trend, with more food production from less labor, but a
side effect is decreased farmer votes. In some counties this
has had major political effect.)
https://ap.fftc.org.tw/article/1327
And don't think we're better. Review USA sugar subsidies,
price supports and duties which are no better than policies
for rice in Japan.
Or the Harley Tax. Or the Chicken Tax.
I have been an importer of tubular bicycle tires across a
half dozen entities, including Yellow Jersey, for over 50
years. That's a product we have not made here in USA since
before The Great Pacific War. I pay import duty on each and
every tire and the rate hasn't changed, up or down, in a
half century.
Ah but... what would be the cost of setting up a factory and
manufacturing bike tires in the U.S.? Is it possible for the U.S. to
compete with foreign bicycle tire makers?
I suspect that building a bicycle tire factory costs less then the
building an automobile factory and auto manufacturers have been moving
their factories around for years.
True and usually for very good reasons, cost of operations. Normal
minimum salary in Mexico were a number of car factories have recently
open is US $2.04/hour while in the U.S. it is $7.25/hour.
It's true that high wages in the USA was the major factor in the loss
of manufacturing in the USA, even though your figures are not
representative of wages for auto workers in Mexico and in the USA.
It's a shame that the labor unions and the complicit factory
management were allowed to drive workers wages out of the market.
The labor unions had too much power....
Auto manufacturing was largely responsible. Every year, it seems, the
auto unions picked one car company to attack and workers all over the
country demanded and got raises. Wages everywhere increased
and the resulting inflation in the USA took place to nullify the
increases.
The stupidity was believing that raising wages was to counter
inflation, when instead, they were creating inflation.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On 4/27/2025 5:47 AM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 04:47:34 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 07:40:05 +0700, John B.
<slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 26 Apr 2025 14:33:53 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/26/2025 1:15 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sat Apr 26 13:41:16 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
On 26 Apr 2025 09:14:12 GMT, Roger Merriman
<roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the
tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it?s a
moving target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Many countries have tariffs on products from the USA.
I see no reason
why the USA shouldn't have tariffs on their products.
Maybe it will
bring manufacturing back, maybe not. The USA used to
be a
manufacturing powerhouse and the bureaucratic
jackasses let it slip
away. I don't know if Trump's plans can save the
country, but it was
definatly going to hell with the same old, same old
plans. At least
he's trying something new.
According to the Democrats tarriffws are good for
other countries but not for Ameriucs. It was perfectly
OK for Clinton to apply larger tarrifs to foreign
goods than TGrump is doing but perfectly awful for
Trump to do titfor tat..
Time to put these people away.
You do not understand the problem. Duty disparities are
broad, deep, convoluted and often at multiple cross
purposes. Oh, and they span every administration since
nearly forever.
All that applies in spades to domestic micromanagement in
targeted areas in this and every country, what with
incentives (bribes) and disincentives (punishment) of a
hundred flavors in thousand of iterations.
Small example-
United States of America is written in Japanese as
Beikoku:
https://www.pngegg.com/en/png-fnrij
or "rice" + "country", as the reformation of language
in the
1860s was contemporaneous with plentiful and inexpensive
American rice imports.
That was long, long ago, before nearly all Japanese
administrations encouraged (subsidized) extremely small
inefficient farms. Along with the votes of farmers, whose
numbers would decrease if farms were combined into larger
fields. (this is happening in USA now, a continuance of a
long trend, with more food production from less labor,
but a
side effect is decreased farmer votes. In some counties
this
has had major political effect.)
https://ap.fftc.org.tw/article/1327
And don't think we're better. Review USA sugar subsidies,
price supports and duties which are no better than
policies
for rice in Japan.
Or the Harley Tax. Or the Chicken Tax.
I have been an importer of tubular bicycle tires across a
half dozen entities, including Yellow Jersey, for over 50
years. That's a product we have not made here in USA since
before The Great Pacific War. I pay import duty on
each and
every tire and the rate hasn't changed, up or down, in a
half century.
Ah but... what would be the cost of setting up a factory
and
manufacturing bike tires in the U.S.? Is it possible
for the U.S. to
compete with foreign bicycle tire makers?
I suspect that building a bicycle tire factory costs less
then the
building an automobile factory and auto manufacturers
have been moving
their factories around for years.
True and usually for very good reasons, cost of
operations. Normal
minimum salary in Mexico were a number of car factories
have recently
open is US $2.04/hour while in the U.S. it is $7.25/hour.
That's non-union. The UAW contract with GM has a starting
wage at $30/hour.
On 4/26/2025 4:11 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/26/2025 3:06 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/26/2025 12:41 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On 26 Apr 2025 09:14:12 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>>
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it’s a moving target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Many countries have tariffs on products from the USA. I see no reason >>>>>> why the USA shouldn't have tariffs on their products. Maybe it will >>>>>> bring manufacturing back, maybe not. The USA used to be a
manufacturing powerhouse and the bureaucratic jackasses let it slip >>>>>> away. I don't know if Trump's plans can save the country, but it was >>>>>> definatly going to hell with the same old, same old plans. At least >>>>>> he's trying something new.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I am in complete agreement on the importance and benefit of
removing disparate tariffs.
I can't agree that it will make a significant difference in
industrial production. With our Byzantine regulations, bans,
permits, reviews and so on, plus unions, and a combination
of apathy and lack of skills in younger generations ('don't
know. don't care') there's no obvious path to refining our
huge stores of rare earths, making steel from our excellent
iron ore and coking coal, building ships once more or a
gazillion other lost industrial projects.
Europe seems to have kept a bit more of its industrial base, and plenty of >>>> regulations and unions, French in particular do like a good strike!
Europe and Us have lost a most of their industrial capacity, for largely >>>> cost reasons, though some industries remain such as military.
This isn’t reciprocal but a trade war with China, which is a PR wonder for
Reciprocal tariffs are good, and moral, but the effect will
be about the same as increasing the oceans' volume by
pissing in them.
the Chinese government as they can blame you now, ie the US for any
problems.
Roger Merriman
There are many factors, domestic and foreign. The results
have become critical:
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/uk-steel-decades-of-decline/
Uk privatised services companies be that steel or otherwise are deeply
unpopular and the general desire for nationalisation is there.
Governments have let the free markets be rather too free for various
reasons some ideological some political short term gains.
But it’s deeply unpopular now, last government essentially asset stripped >> the country!
Roger Merriman
A state owned/managed steel maker? Check the history of that.
On 4/27/2025 3:47 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 07:40:05 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 26 Apr 2025 14:33:53 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/26/2025 1:15 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sat Apr 26 13:41:16 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
On 26 Apr 2025 09:14:12 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>>
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it?s a moving target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Many countries have tariffs on products from the USA. I see no reason >>>>>> why the USA shouldn't have tariffs on their products. Maybe it will >>>>>> bring manufacturing back, maybe not. The USA used to be a
manufacturing powerhouse and the bureaucratic jackasses let it slip >>>>>> away. I don't know if Trump's plans can save the country, but it was >>>>>> definatly going to hell with the same old, same old plans. At least >>>>>> he's trying something new.
According to the Democrats tarriffws are good for other countries but not for Ameriucs. It was perfectly OK for Clinton to apply larger tarrifs to foreign goods than TGrump is doing but perfectly awful for Trump to do titfor tat..
Time to put these people away.
You do not understand the problem. Duty disparities are
broad, deep, convoluted and often at multiple cross
purposes. Oh, and they span every administration since
nearly forever.
All that applies in spades to domestic micromanagement in
targeted areas in this and every country, what with
incentives (bribes) and disincentives (punishment) of a
hundred flavors in thousand of iterations.
Small example-
United States of America is written in Japanese as Beikoku:
https://www.pngegg.com/en/png-fnrij
or "rice" + "country", as the reformation of language in the
1860s was contemporaneous with plentiful and inexpensive
American rice imports.
That was long, long ago, before nearly all Japanese
administrations encouraged (subsidized) extremely small
inefficient farms. Along with the votes of farmers, whose
numbers would decrease if farms were combined into larger
fields. (this is happening in USA now, a continuance of a
long trend, with more food production from less labor, but a
side effect is decreased farmer votes. In some counties this
has had major political effect.)
https://ap.fftc.org.tw/article/1327
And don't think we're better. Review USA sugar subsidies,
price supports and duties which are no better than policies
for rice in Japan.
Or the Harley Tax. Or the Chicken Tax.
I have been an importer of tubular bicycle tires across a
half dozen entities, including Yellow Jersey, for over 50
years. That's a product we have not made here in USA since
before The Great Pacific War. I pay import duty on each and
every tire and the rate hasn't changed, up or down, in a
half century.
Ah but... what would be the cost of setting up a factory and
manufacturing bike tires in the U.S.? Is it possible for the U.S. to
compete with foreign bicycle tire makers?
I suspect that building a bicycle tire factory costs less then the
building an automobile factory and auto manufacturers have been moving
their factories around for years.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Different problem.
Auto assembly plants require huge supporting infrastructure
and applied engineering (large plants particularly rely on
process timing coordination which is complex and difficult).
Successful examples have many supplier plants nearby, often
with hourly deliveries. Less efficient examples ameliorate
supply logistics issues with huge warehouses (inefficient
application of capital).
I've noted here before that Ray Gasiorowski (for whom I
worked in Houston) had been an engineer at Huffman (Huffy)
before taking a position in Russia along with a dozen other
US engineers to design a bicycle plant. The Commisars wanted
raw steel, rubber, tire fabric, brass, paint and cardboard
sheet in one end and boxed finished bicycles out the other
end. He quit after a few years and the plant was never
built. There's no efficient way to make 72 plated brass
nipples in the same time as one bicycle fork, and so on.
It's almost a parody of efficiency to consider it.
I also was very familiar with SR-Sakae's plant in Tokyo
which was largely a thixoform aluminum facility (although
they did do cold forgings and chainring stampings, automated
multi-process machining, anodizing, polishing etc as well).
For each of the four thixoform stations (some running and
some not depending on time of year and the order book) the
molten aluminum vat ran through heated insulated lines into
the ram and on to multiple tool outlets. Those might
typically be two left crank arms, two rights, a stem, a
seatpost top and two pedal bodies. At regular intervals the
process stops, the operator removes one or more injection
tool(s) and replaces with different tool(s) then starts again.
Building a facility is one thing, and relatively simple.
Efficient tooling (and tooling QC maintenance), process
design, training and logistics are where the demons lie.
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/27/2025 9:15 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 04:47:34 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 07:40:05 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 26 Apr 2025 14:33:53 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>
On 4/26/2025 1:15 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sat Apr 26 13:41:16 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
On 26 Apr 2025 09:14:12 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it?s a moving target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Many countries have tariffs on products from the USA. I see no reason >>>>>>>>> why the USA shouldn't have tariffs on their products. Maybe it will >>>>>>>>> bring manufacturing back, maybe not. The USA used to be a
manufacturing powerhouse and the bureaucratic jackasses let it slip >>>>>>>>> away. I don't know if Trump's plans can save the country, but it was >>>>>>>>> definatly going to hell with the same old, same old plans. At least >>>>>>>>> he's trying something new.
According to the Democrats tarriffws are good for other countries but >>>>>>>> not for Ameriucs. It was perfectly OK for Clinton to apply larger >>>>>>>> tarrifs to foreign goods than TGrump is doing but perfectly awful for >>>>>>>> Trump to do titfor tat..
Time to put these people away.
You do not understand the problem. Duty disparities are
broad, deep, convoluted and often at multiple cross
purposes. Oh, and they span every administration since
nearly forever.
All that applies in spades to domestic micromanagement in
targeted areas in this and every country, what with
incentives (bribes) and disincentives (punishment) of a
hundred flavors in thousand of iterations.
Small example-
United States of America is written in Japanese as Beikoku:
https://www.pngegg.com/en/png-fnrij
or "rice" + "country", as the reformation of language in the
1860s was contemporaneous with plentiful and inexpensive
American rice imports.
That was long, long ago, before nearly all Japanese
administrations encouraged (subsidized) extremely small
inefficient farms. Along with the votes of farmers, whose
numbers would decrease if farms were combined into larger
fields. (this is happening in USA now, a continuance of a
long trend, with more food production from less labor, but a
side effect is decreased farmer votes. In some counties this
has had major political effect.)
https://ap.fftc.org.tw/article/1327
And don't think we're better. Review USA sugar subsidies,
price supports and duties which are no better than policies
for rice in Japan.
Or the Harley Tax. Or the Chicken Tax.
I have been an importer of tubular bicycle tires across a
half dozen entities, including Yellow Jersey, for over 50
years. That's a product we have not made here in USA since
before The Great Pacific War. I pay import duty on each and
every tire and the rate hasn't changed, up or down, in a
half century.
Ah but... what would be the cost of setting up a factory and
manufacturing bike tires in the U.S.? Is it possible for the U.S. to >>>>>> compete with foreign bicycle tire makers?
I suspect that building a bicycle tire factory costs less then the
building an automobile factory and auto manufacturers have been moving >>>>> their factories around for years.
True and usually for very good reasons, cost of operations. Normal
minimum salary in Mexico were a number of car factories have recently
open is US $2.04/hour while in the U.S. it is $7.25/hour.
It’s also where the skilled labour plus equipment is, such as Silca
couldn’t find a motor or battery of the right specifications at certainly >>> not at a economic cost, I believe some us Military drone manufacturers
motors could be bought but would result in cost well above the market for >>> such things.
Ie manufacturing takes decades to transfer from countries.
Roger Merriman
Or not.
Bicycle assembly plants magically appeared in Cambodia a few
years ago (QC, fit & finish, packing all top quality IMHO)
and are now leaving.
See also Apple in India.
Assembly is rather less skilled labour than say making Carbon frames or
other construction of parts, and India has like China been growing its manufacturing base over many decades, Apple among other phone manufacturers have there supply chain heavily dependent on China hence they needed a exemption, even if they also have assembly lines in India.
Roger Merriman
On 4/27/2025 3:47 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 07:40:05 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 26 Apr 2025 14:33:53 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/26/2025 1:15 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sat Apr 26 13:41:16 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
On 26 Apr 2025 09:14:12 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>>
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the tariffs are
effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it?s a moving target
so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Many countries have tariffs on products from the USA. I see no reason >>>>>> why the USA shouldn't have tariffs on their products. Maybe it will >>>>>> bring manufacturing back, maybe not. The USA used to be a
manufacturing powerhouse and the bureaucratic jackasses let it slip >>>>>> away. I don't know if Trump's plans can save the country, but it was >>>>>> definatly going to hell with the same old, same old plans. At least >>>>>> he's trying something new.
According to the Democrats tarriffws are good for other countries
but not for Ameriucs. It was perfectly OK for Clinton to apply
larger tarrifs to foreign goods than TGrump is doing but perfectly
awful for Trump to do titfor tat..
Time to put these people away.
You do not understand the problem. Duty disparities are
broad, deep, convoluted and often at multiple cross
purposes. Oh, and they span every administration since
nearly forever.
All that applies in spades to domestic micromanagement in
targeted areas in this and every country, what with
incentives (bribes) and disincentives (punishment) of a
hundred flavors in thousand of iterations.
Small example-
United States of America is written in Japanese as Beikoku:
https://www.pngegg.com/en/png-fnrij
or "rice" + "country", as the reformation of language in the
1860s was contemporaneous with plentiful and inexpensive
American rice imports.
That was long, long ago, before nearly all Japanese
administrations encouraged (subsidized) extremely small
inefficient farms. Along with the votes of farmers, whose
numbers would decrease if farms were combined into larger
fields. (this is happening in USA now, a continuance of a
long trend, with more food production from less labor, but a
side effect is decreased farmer votes. In some counties this
has had major political effect.)
https://ap.fftc.org.tw/article/1327
And don't think we're better. Review USA sugar subsidies,
price supports and duties which are no better than policies
for rice in Japan.
Or the Harley Tax. Or the Chicken Tax.
I have been an importer of tubular bicycle tires across a
half dozen entities, including Yellow Jersey, for over 50
years. That's a product we have not made here in USA since
before The Great Pacific War. I pay import duty on each and
every tire and the rate hasn't changed, up or down, in a
half century.
Ah but... what would be the cost of setting up a factory and
manufacturing bike tires in the U.S.? Is it possible for the U.S. to
compete with foreign bicycle tire makers?
I suspect that building a bicycle tire factory costs less then the
building an automobile factory and auto manufacturers have been moving
their factories around for years.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Different problem.
Auto assembly plants require huge supporting infrastructure and applied engineering (large plants particularly rely on process timing
coordination which is complex and difficult).
Successful examples have many supplier plants nearby, often with hourly deliveries. Less efficient examples ameliorate supply logistics issues
with huge warehouses (inefficient application of capital).
I've noted here before that Ray Gasiorowski (for whom I worked in
Houston) had been an engineer at Huffman (Huffy) before taking a
position in Russia along with a dozen other US engineers to design a
bicycle plant. The Commisars wanted raw steel, rubber, tire fabric,
brass, paint and cardboard sheet in one end and boxed finished bicycles
out the other end. He quit after a few years and the plant was never built. There's no efficient way to make 72 plated brass nipples in the
same time as one bicycle fork, and so on. It's almost a parody of
efficiency to consider it.
I also was very familiar with SR-Sakae's plant in Tokyo which was
largely a thixoform aluminum facility (although they did do cold
forgings and chainring stampings, automated multi-process machining, anodizing, polishing etc as well). For each of the four thixoform
stations (some running and some not depending on time of year and the
order book) the molten aluminum vat ran through heated insulated lines
into the ram and on to multiple tool outlets. Those might typically be
two left crank arms, two rights, a stem, a seatpost top and two pedal bodies. At regular intervals the process stops, the operator removes
one or more injection tool(s) and replaces with different tool(s) then
starts again.
Building a facility is one thing, and relatively simple. Efficient
tooling (and tooling QC maintenance), process design, training and
logistics are where the demons lie.
On 4/27/2025 11:20 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/27/2025 3:47 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 07:40:05 +0700, John B.
<slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 26 Apr 2025 14:33:53 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/26/2025 1:15 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sat Apr 26 13:41:16 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
On 26 Apr 2025 09:14:12 GMT, Roger Merriman
<roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the
tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it?s a
moving target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Many countries have tariffs on products from the USA.
I see no reason
why the USA shouldn't have tariffs on their products.
Maybe it will
bring manufacturing back, maybe not. The USA used to
be a
manufacturing powerhouse and the bureaucratic
jackasses let it slip
away. I don't know if Trump's plans can save the
country, but it was
definatly going to hell with the same old, same old
plans. At least
he's trying something new.
According to the Democrats tarriffws are good for
other countries but not for Ameriucs. It was perfectly
OK for Clinton to apply larger tarrifs to foreign
goods than TGrump is doing but perfectly awful for
Trump to do titfor tat..
Time to put these people away.
You do not understand the problem. Duty disparities are
broad, deep, convoluted and often at multiple cross
purposes. Oh, and they span every administration since
nearly forever.
All that applies in spades to domestic micromanagement in
targeted areas in this and every country, what with
incentives (bribes) and disincentives (punishment) of a
hundred flavors in thousand of iterations.
Small example-
United States of America is written in Japanese as
Beikoku:
https://www.pngegg.com/en/png-fnrij
or "rice" + "country", as the reformation of language
in the
1860s was contemporaneous with plentiful and inexpensive
American rice imports.
That was long, long ago, before nearly all Japanese
administrations encouraged (subsidized) extremely small
inefficient farms. Along with the votes of farmers, whose
numbers would decrease if farms were combined into larger
fields. (this is happening in USA now, a continuance of a
long trend, with more food production from less labor,
but a
side effect is decreased farmer votes. In some counties
this
has had major political effect.)
https://ap.fftc.org.tw/article/1327
And don't think we're better. Review USA sugar subsidies,
price supports and duties which are no better than
policies
for rice in Japan.
Or the Harley Tax. Or the Chicken Tax.
I have been an importer of tubular bicycle tires across a
half dozen entities, including Yellow Jersey, for over 50
years. That's a product we have not made here in USA since
before The Great Pacific War. I pay import duty on
each and
every tire and the rate hasn't changed, up or down, in a
half century.
Ah but... what would be the cost of setting up a factory
and
manufacturing bike tires in the U.S.? Is it possible
for the U.S. to
compete with foreign bicycle tire makers?
I suspect that building a bicycle tire factory costs less
then the
building an automobile factory and auto manufacturers
have been moving
their factories around for years.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Different problem.
Auto assembly plants require huge supporting
infrastructure and applied engineering (large plants
particularly rely on process timing coordination which is
complex and difficult).
Successful examples have many supplier plants nearby,
often with hourly deliveries. Less efficient examples
ameliorate supply logistics issues with huge warehouses
(inefficient application of capital).
I've noted here before that Ray Gasiorowski (for whom I
worked in Houston) had been an engineer at Huffman (Huffy)
before taking a position in Russia along with a dozen
other US engineers to design a bicycle plant. The
Commisars wanted raw steel, rubber, tire fabric, brass,
paint and cardboard sheet in one end and boxed finished
bicycles out the other end. He quit after a few years and
the plant was never built. There's no efficient way to
make 72 plated brass nipples in the same time as one
bicycle fork, and so on. It's almost a parody of
efficiency to consider it.
I also was very familiar with SR-Sakae's plant in Tokyo
which was largely a thixoform aluminum facility (although
they did do cold forgings and chainring stampings,
automated multi-process machining, anodizing, polishing
etc as well). For each of the four thixoform stations
(some running and some not depending on time of year and
the order book) the molten aluminum vat ran through heated
insulated lines into the ram and on to multiple tool
outlets. Those might typically be two left crank arms,
two rights, a stem, a seatpost top and two pedal bodies.
At regular intervals the process stops, the operator
removes one or more injection tool(s) and replaces with
different tool(s) then starts again.
Building a facility is one thing, and relatively simple.
Efficient tooling (and tooling QC maintenance), process
design, training and logistics are where the demons lie.
I used to have a little poster on my office wall:
"Everything is simple for the person who doesn't have to do
it."
Or, we might add, for the person who knows nothing about the
relevant details.
On 4/27/2025 11:20 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/27/2025 3:47 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 07:40:05 +0700, John B.
<slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 26 Apr 2025 14:33:53 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/26/2025 1:15 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sat Apr 26 13:41:16 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
On 26 Apr 2025 09:14:12 GMT, Roger Merriman
<roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the
tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it?s a
moving target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Many countries have tariffs on products from the USA.
I see no reason
why the USA shouldn't have tariffs on their products.
Maybe it will
bring manufacturing back, maybe not. The USA used to
be a
manufacturing powerhouse and the bureaucratic
jackasses let it slip
away. I don't know if Trump's plans can save the
country, but it was
definatly going to hell with the same old, same old
plans. At least
he's trying something new.
According to the Democrats tarriffws are good for
other countries but not for Ameriucs. It was perfectly
OK for Clinton to apply larger tarrifs to foreign
goods than TGrump is doing but perfectly awful for
Trump to do titfor tat..
Time to put these people away.
You do not understand the problem. Duty disparities are
broad, deep, convoluted and often at multiple cross
purposes. Oh, and they span every administration since
nearly forever.
All that applies in spades to domestic micromanagement in
targeted areas in this and every country, what with
incentives (bribes) and disincentives (punishment) of a
hundred flavors in thousand of iterations.
Small example-
United States of America is written in Japanese as
Beikoku:
https://www.pngegg.com/en/png-fnrij
or "rice" + "country", as the reformation of language
in the
1860s was contemporaneous with plentiful and inexpensive
American rice imports.
That was long, long ago, before nearly all Japanese
administrations encouraged (subsidized) extremely small
inefficient farms. Along with the votes of farmers, whose
numbers would decrease if farms were combined into larger
fields. (this is happening in USA now, a continuance of a
long trend, with more food production from less labor,
but a
side effect is decreased farmer votes. In some counties
this
has had major political effect.)
https://ap.fftc.org.tw/article/1327
And don't think we're better. Review USA sugar subsidies,
price supports and duties which are no better than
policies
for rice in Japan.
Or the Harley Tax. Or the Chicken Tax.
I have been an importer of tubular bicycle tires across a
half dozen entities, including Yellow Jersey, for over 50
years. That's a product we have not made here in USA since
before The Great Pacific War. I pay import duty on
each and
every tire and the rate hasn't changed, up or down, in a
half century.
Ah but... what would be the cost of setting up a factory
and
manufacturing bike tires in the U.S.? Is it possible
for the U.S. to
compete with foreign bicycle tire makers?
I suspect that building a bicycle tire factory costs less
then the
building an automobile factory and auto manufacturers
have been moving
their factories around for years.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Different problem.
Auto assembly plants require huge supporting
infrastructure and applied engineering (large plants
particularly rely on process timing coordination which is
complex and difficult).
Successful examples have many supplier plants nearby,
often with hourly deliveries. Less efficient examples
ameliorate supply logistics issues with huge warehouses
(inefficient application of capital).
I've noted here before that Ray Gasiorowski (for whom I
worked in Houston) had been an engineer at Huffman (Huffy)
before taking a position in Russia along with a dozen
other US engineers to design a bicycle plant. The
Commisars wanted raw steel, rubber, tire fabric, brass,
paint and cardboard sheet in one end and boxed finished
bicycles out the other end. He quit after a few years and
the plant was never built. There's no efficient way to
make 72 plated brass nipples in the same time as one
bicycle fork, and so on. It's almost a parody of
efficiency to consider it.
I also was very familiar with SR-Sakae's plant in Tokyo
which was largely a thixoform aluminum facility (although
they did do cold forgings and chainring stampings,
automated multi-process machining, anodizing, polishing
etc as well). For each of the four thixoform stations
(some running and some not depending on time of year and
the order book) the molten aluminum vat ran through heated
insulated lines into the ram and on to multiple tool
outlets. Those might typically be two left crank arms,
two rights, a stem, a seatpost top and two pedal bodies.
At regular intervals the process stops, the operator
removes one or more injection tool(s) and replaces with
different tool(s) then starts again.
Building a facility is one thing, and relatively simple.
Efficient tooling (and tooling QC maintenance), process
design, training and logistics are where the demons lie.
My company has been trying to qualify a vendor in India to
manufacture aluminum explosion-proof enclosures that meet
Indias own standards. The regulatory compliance issues have
resulted in an almost two-year process working with the
vendor developing a mold, getting first articles that
_don't_ look like absolute shit and are capable of passing
the Explosion-proof testing, as well as showing that the
vendor has ISO approved QMS policies (Also an Indian
requirement). Our latest vendor essentially gave up after a
year of trying to meet their own in-country standards. They
had advertised that they were a manufacturer of explosion-
proof equipment, it turns out they make one standard
enclosure and couldn't figure out how to adapt it to fit our
guts, even with us providing modified CAD drawings.
On 4/27/2025 12:16 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/27/2025 9:15 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 04:47:34 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 07:40:05 +0700, John B.
<slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 26 Apr 2025 14:33:53 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/26/2025 1:15 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sat Apr 26 13:41:16 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
On 26 Apr 2025 09:14:12 GMT, Roger Merriman
<roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how
the tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it?s a
moving target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Many countries have tariffs on products from the
USA. I see no reason
why the USA shouldn't have tariffs on their
products. Maybe it will
bring manufacturing back, maybe not. The USA used
to be a
manufacturing powerhouse and the bureaucratic
jackasses let it slip
away. I don't know if Trump's plans can save the
country, but it was
definatly going to hell with the same old, same
old plans. At least
he's trying something new.
According to the Democrats tarriffws are good for
other countries but
not for Ameriucs. It was perfectly OK for Clinton
to apply larger
tarrifs to foreign goods than TGrump is doing but
perfectly awful for
Trump to do titfor tat..
Time to put these people away.
You do not understand the problem. Duty disparities
are
broad, deep, convoluted and often at multiple cross
purposes. Oh, and they span every administration since
nearly forever.
All that applies in spades to domestic
micromanagement in
targeted areas in this and every country, what with
incentives (bribes) and disincentives (punishment) of a
hundred flavors in thousand of iterations.
Small example-
United States of America is written in Japanese as
Beikoku:
https://www.pngegg.com/en/png-fnrij
or "rice" + "country", as the reformation of
language in the
1860s was contemporaneous with plentiful and
inexpensive
American rice imports.
That was long, long ago, before nearly all Japanese
administrations encouraged (subsidized) extremely
small
inefficient farms. Along with the votes of farmers,
whose
numbers would decrease if farms were combined into
larger
fields. (this is happening in USA now, a continuance
of a
long trend, with more food production from less
labor, but a
side effect is decreased farmer votes. In some
counties this
has had major political effect.)
https://ap.fftc.org.tw/article/1327
And don't think we're better. Review USA sugar
subsidies,
price supports and duties which are no better than
policies
for rice in Japan.
Or the Harley Tax. Or the Chicken Tax.
I have been an importer of tubular bicycle tires
across a
half dozen entities, including Yellow Jersey, for
over 50
years. That's a product we have not made here in USA
since
before The Great Pacific War. I pay import duty on
each and
every tire and the rate hasn't changed, up or down,
in a
half century.
Ah but... what would be the cost of setting up a
factory and
manufacturing bike tires in the U.S.? Is it possible
for the U.S. to
compete with foreign bicycle tire makers?
I suspect that building a bicycle tire factory costs
less then the
building an automobile factory and auto manufacturers
have been moving
their factories around for years.
True and usually for very good reasons, cost of
operations. Normal
minimum salary in Mexico were a number of car factories
have recently
open is US $2.04/hour while in the U.S. it is $7.25/hour.
It’s also where the skilled labour plus equipment is,
such as Silca
couldn’t find a motor or battery of the right
specifications at certainly
not at a economic cost, I believe some us Military drone
manufacturers
motors could be bought but would result in cost well
above the market for
such things.
Ie manufacturing takes decades to transfer from countries.
Roger Merriman
Or not.
Bicycle assembly plants magically appeared in Cambodia a few
years ago (QC, fit & finish, packing all top quality IMHO)
and are now leaving.
See also Apple in India.
Assembly is rather less skilled labour than say making
Carbon frames or
other construction of parts, and India has like China been
growing its
manufacturing base over many decades, Apple among other
phone manufacturers
have there supply chain heavily dependent on China hence
they needed a
exemption, even if they also have assembly lines in India.
Roger Merriman
+1
Moving assembly facilities is a far cry from moving
facilities where the raw materials are processed. In the
context of the self-inflicted US tariff war, moving an
assembly factory to the US would offer little benefit unless
the parts are exempted from tariffs. The added labor costs
would offset any savings in the tariff on the finished
product. Sure, automation would be of some help to offset
labor costs, but then you have the cost of building and
maintaining the robotics, which themselves would be subject
to tariffs.
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
News sources out of US are much less partisan indeed are levels of accuracy >regulations which one US style news source (GBnews) has attempted tohttps://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/54478352605/in/datetaken/On 26
Apr 2025 20:06:30 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 26 Apr 2025 09:14:12 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the tariffs are effecting >>>>> US companies certainly small ones, as ever it?s a moving target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Many countries have tariffs on products from the USA. I see no reason
why the USA shouldn't have tariffs on their products. Maybe it will
bring manufacturing back, maybe not. The USA used to be a
manufacturing powerhouse and the bureaucratic jackasses let it slip
away. I don't know if Trump's plans can save the country, but it was
definatly going to hell with the same old, same old plans. At least
he's trying something new.
USA tariffs used to be in line with most other countries, hence the easy >>> trade across countries and indeed multiple parts and so on, this is well a >>> trade war with China mostly.
--Roger Merriman
C'est bon
Soloman
No, most foreign tarriffs were much greater than USA tarriffs,
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/automobile-tariffs-by-country
plus other countries put additional costs on some USA products.
I suggest that you stop paying attention to news sources that were,
for many years, telling you that Joe Biden was mentally and
empotionally fit to be President, when it's apparent that he was not.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
avoid by claiming they are entertainment rather than factual news to avoid >(not entirely) having to conform news standards!
The link is incorrect UK has a higher car tariff, as byproduct of Brexit
and talks of a US and Uk trade deal.
On 4/26/2025 4:11 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/26/2025 3:06 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/26/2025 12:41 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On 26 Apr 2025 09:14:12 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>>
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever its a moving target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Many countries have tariffs on products from the USA. I see no reason >>>>>> why the USA shouldn't have tariffs on their products. Maybe it will >>>>>> bring manufacturing back, maybe not. The USA used to be a
manufacturing powerhouse and the bureaucratic jackasses let it slip >>>>>> away. I don't know if Trump's plans can save the country, but it was >>>>>> definatly going to hell with the same old, same old plans. At least >>>>>> he's trying something new.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I am in complete agreement on the importance and benefit of
removing disparate tariffs.
I can't agree that it will make a significant difference in
industrial production. With our Byzantine regulations, bans,
permits, reviews and so on, plus unions, and a combination
of apathy and lack of skills in younger generations ('don't
know. don't care') there's no obvious path to refining our
huge stores of rare earths, making steel from our excellent
iron ore and coking coal, building ships once more or a
gazillion other lost industrial projects.
Europe seems to have kept a bit more of its industrial base, and plenty of >>>> regulations and unions, French in particular do like a good strike!
Europe and Us have lost a most of their industrial capacity, for largely >>>> cost reasons, though some industries remain such as military.
This isnt reciprocal but a trade war with China, which is a PR wonder for >>>> the Chinese government as they can blame you now, ie the US for any
Reciprocal tariffs are good, and moral, but the effect will
be about the same as increasing the oceans' volume by
pissing in them.
problems.
Roger Merriman
There are many factors, domestic and foreign. The results
have become critical:
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/uk-steel-decades-of-decline/
Uk privatised services companies be that steel or otherwise are deeply
unpopular and the general desire for nationalisation is there.
Governments have let the free markets be rather too free for various
reasons some ideological some political short term gains.
But its deeply unpopular now, last government essentially asset stripped
the country!
Roger Merriman
A state owned/managed steel maker? Check the history of that.
On 27 Apr 2025 14:35:32 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
News sources out of US are much less partisan indeed are levels of accuracy >> regulations which one US style “news source” (GBnews) has attempted to >> avoid by claiming they are entertainment rather than factual news to avoid >> (not entirely) having to conform news standards!https://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/54478352605/in/datetaken/On 26 >>>> Apr 2025 20:06:30 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 26 Apr 2025 09:14:12 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it?s a moving target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Many countries have tariffs on products from the USA. I see no reason >>>>> why the USA shouldn't have tariffs on their products. Maybe it will
bring manufacturing back, maybe not. The USA used to be a
manufacturing powerhouse and the bureaucratic jackasses let it slip
away. I don't know if Trump's plans can save the country, but it was >>>>> definatly going to hell with the same old, same old plans. At least
he's trying something new.
USA tariffs used to be in line with most other countries, hence the easy >>>> trade across countries and indeed multiple parts and so on, this is well a >>>> trade war with China mostly.
--Roger Merriman
C'est bon
Soloman
No, most foreign tarriffs were much greater than USA tarriffs,
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/automobile-tariffs-by-country
plus other countries put additional costs on some USA products.
I suggest that you stop paying attention to news sources that were,
for many years, telling you that Joe Biden was mentally and
empotionally fit to be President, when it's apparent that he was not.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
The link is incorrect UK has a higher car tariff, as byproduct of Brexit
and talks of a US and Uk trade deal.
Brazilian tariffs are far higher than on the #FAKE_NEWS site.
Tax can be more than 100% of the price of an imported car. If you
import at US$ 10.000, expect to pay AT LEAST US$ 12500 tax, for a
total of US$ 22500. And then there's the importer's 20% " cut" on top
of that ....
Not many honest people buy imported cars.
Our central bank is still run by Bolsonaro's minions.... and
they decide the value of taxes.
[]'s
Goes both ways.
Brasil is a highly efficient producer of sugar, which is
virtually impossible to import in to USA. For the past 120
years across every administration.
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 14:06:50 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
Goes both ways.
Brasil is a highly efficient producer of sugar, which is
virtually impossible to import in to USA. For the past 120
years across every administration.
Brazil uses slave labour. Hard to compete with that
price-wise. The sugar cane industry has become an oligopoly. The "big
corps" rent land from farmers, sometimes refuse to pay what they
promised and when they give the land back nothing will grow on it.
Sugar cane depletes the land, rather like soy. In three years it's
sand.
There's a reason why the Chinese government will not allow
planting soy in most of China..... they plan thinking decades in the
future.
I heard that Australia's fully-automated sugar-cane farms are
far more efficient than Brazil's labour-heavy methods. Machines don't
have to feed their children or invest in bettering their education.
They're cheaper than slaves....
[]'s
On 4/27/2025 2:39 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 14:06:50 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
Goes both ways.
Brasil is a highly efficient producer of sugar, which is
virtually impossible to import in to USA. For the past 120
years across every administration.
Brazil uses slave labour. Hard to compete with that
price-wise. The sugar cane industry has become an oligopoly. The "big
corps" rent land from farmers, sometimes refuse to pay what they
promised and when they give the land back nothing will grow on it.
Sugar cane depletes the land, rather like soy. In three years it's
sand.
There's a reason why the Chinese government will not allow
planting soy in most of China..... they plan thinking decades in the
future.
I heard that Australia's fully-automated sugar-cane farms are
far more efficient than Brazil's labour-heavy methods. Machines don't
have to feed their children or invest in bettering their education.
They're cheaper than slaves....
[]'s
WTF? And neither Dilma nor Lula nor anyone else interfered with or even addressed slavery as a domestic political issue??
On 4/27/2025 12:40 PM, zen cycle wrote:
On 4/27/2025 11:20 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/27/2025 3:47 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 07:40:05 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 26 Apr 2025 14:33:53 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>
On 4/26/2025 1:15 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sat Apr 26 13:41:16 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
On 26 Apr 2025 09:14:12 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the tariffs are >>>>>>>>> effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it?s a moving target >>>>>>>>> so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Many countries have tariffs on products from the USA. I see no >>>>>>>> reason
why the USA shouldn't have tariffs on their products. Maybe it will >>>>>>>> bring manufacturing back, maybe not. The USA used to be a
manufacturing powerhouse and the bureaucratic jackasses let it slip >>>>>>>> away. I don't know if Trump's plans can save the country, but it >>>>>>>> was
definatly going to hell with the same old, same old plans. At least >>>>>>>> he's trying something new.
According to the Democrats tarriffws are good for other countries >>>>>>> but not for Ameriucs. It was perfectly OK for Clinton to apply
larger tarrifs to foreign goods than TGrump is doing but
perfectly awful for Trump to do titfor tat..
Time to put these people away.
You do not understand the problem. Duty disparities are
broad, deep, convoluted and often at multiple cross
purposes. Oh, and they span every administration since
nearly forever.
All that applies in spades to domestic micromanagement in
targeted areas in this and every country, what with
incentives (bribes) and disincentives (punishment) of a
hundred flavors in thousand of iterations.
Small example-
United States of America is written in Japanese as Beikoku:
https://www.pngegg.com/en/png-fnrij
or "rice" + "country", as the reformation of language in the
1860s was contemporaneous with plentiful and inexpensive
American rice imports.
That was long, long ago, before nearly all Japanese
administrations encouraged (subsidized) extremely small
inefficient farms. Along with the votes of farmers, whose
numbers would decrease if farms were combined into larger
fields. (this is happening in USA now, a continuance of a
long trend, with more food production from less labor, but a
side effect is decreased farmer votes. In some counties this
has had major political effect.)
https://ap.fftc.org.tw/article/1327
And don't think we're better. Review USA sugar subsidies,
price supports and duties which are no better than policies
for rice in Japan.
Or the Harley Tax. Or the Chicken Tax.
I have been an importer of tubular bicycle tires across a
half dozen entities, including Yellow Jersey, for over 50
years. That's a product we have not made here in USA since
before The Great Pacific War. I pay import duty on each and
every tire and the rate hasn't changed, up or down, in a
half century.
Ah but... what would be the cost of setting up a factory and
manufacturing bike tires in the U.S.? Is it possible for the U.S. to >>>>> compete with foreign bicycle tire makers?
I suspect that building a bicycle tire factory costs less then the
building an automobile factory and auto manufacturers have been moving >>>> their factories around for years.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Different problem.
Auto assembly plants require huge supporting infrastructure and
applied engineering (large plants particularly rely on process timing
coordination which is complex and difficult).
Successful examples have many supplier plants nearby, often with
hourly deliveries. Less efficient examples ameliorate supply
logistics issues with huge warehouses (inefficient application of
capital).
I've noted here before that Ray Gasiorowski (for whom I worked in
Houston) had been an engineer at Huffman (Huffy) before taking a
position in Russia along with a dozen other US engineers to design a
bicycle plant. The Commisars wanted raw steel, rubber, tire fabric,
brass, paint and cardboard sheet in one end and boxed finished
bicycles out the other end. He quit after a few years and the plant
was never built. There's no efficient way to make 72 plated brass
nipples in the same time as one bicycle fork, and so on. It's almost
a parody of efficiency to consider it.
I also was very familiar with SR-Sakae's plant in Tokyo which was
largely a thixoform aluminum facility (although they did do cold
forgings and chainring stampings, automated multi-process machining,
anodizing, polishing etc as well). For each of the four thixoform
stations (some running and some not depending on time of year and the
order book) the molten aluminum vat ran through heated insulated
lines into the ram and on to multiple tool outlets. Those might
typically be two left crank arms, two rights, a stem, a seatpost top
and two pedal bodies. At regular intervals the process stops, the
operator removes one or more injection tool(s) and replaces with
different tool(s) then starts again.
Building a facility is one thing, and relatively simple. Efficient
tooling (and tooling QC maintenance), process design, training and
logistics are where the demons lie.
My company has been trying to qualify a vendor in India to manufacture
aluminum explosion-proof enclosures that meet Indias own standards.
The regulatory compliance issues have resulted in an almost two-year
process working with the vendor developing a mold, getting first
articles that _don't_ look like absolute shit and are capable of
passing the Explosion-proof testing, as well as showing that the
vendor has ISO approved QMS policies (Also an Indian requirement). Our
latest vendor essentially gave up after a year of trying to meet their
own in-country standards. They had advertised that they were a
manufacturer of explosion- proof equipment, it turns out they make one
standard enclosure and couldn't figure out how to adapt it to fit our
guts, even with us providing modified CAD drawings.
You also don't know if their domestic products are "in compliance" with domestic standards by applying envelopes of cash to the inspectors.
On 4/27/2025 1:42 PM, Shadow wrote:
On 27 Apr 2025 14:35:32 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
News sources out of US are much less partisan indeed are levels ofhttps://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/54478352605/in/datetaken/On 26 >>>>> Apr 2025 20:06:30 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 26 Apr 2025 09:14:12 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>>
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the tariffs are
effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it?s a moving target
so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Many countries have tariffs on products from the USA. I see no reason >>>>>> why the USA shouldn't have tariffs on their products. Maybe it will >>>>>> bring manufacturing back, maybe not. The USA used to be a
manufacturing powerhouse and the bureaucratic jackasses let it slip >>>>>> away. I don't know if Trump's plans can save the country, but it was >>>>>> definatly going to hell with the same old, same old plans. At least >>>>>> he's trying something new.
USA tariffs used to be in line with most other countries, hence the
easy
trade across countries and indeed multiple parts and so on, this is
well a
trade war with China mostly.
--Roger Merriman
C'est bon
Soloman
No, most foreign tarriffs were much greater than USA tarriffs,
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/automobile-
tariffs-by-country
plus other countries put additional costs on some USA products.
I suggest that you stop paying attention to news sources that were,
for many years, telling you that Joe Biden was mentally and
empotionally fit to be President, when it's apparent that he was not.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
accuracy
regulations which one US style “news source” (GBnews) has attempted to >>> avoid by claiming they are entertainment rather than factual news to
avoid
(not entirely) having to conform news standards!
The link is incorrect UK has a higher car tariff, as byproduct of Brexit >>> and talks of a US and Uk trade deal.
Brazilian tariffs are far higher than on the #FAKE_NEWS site.
Tax can be more than 100% of the price of an imported car. If you
import at US$ 10.000, expect to pay AT LEAST US$ 12500 tax, for a
total of US$ 22500. And then there's the importer's 20% " cut" on top
of that ....
Not many honest people buy imported cars.
Our central bank is still run by Bolsonaro's minions.... and
they decide the value of taxes.
[]'s
Goes both ways.
Brasil is a highly efficient producer of sugar, which is virtually
impossible to import in to USA. For the past 120 years across every administration.
On 4/27/2025 4:16 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/27/2025 2:39 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 14:06:50 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
Goes both ways.
Brasil is a highly efficient producer of sugar, which is
virtually impossible to import in to USA. For the past 120
years across every administration.
Brazil uses slave labour. Hard to compete with that
price-wise. The sugar cane industry has become an
oligopoly. The "big
corps" rent land from farmers, sometimes refuse to pay
what they
promised and when they give the land back nothing will
grow on it.
Sugar cane depletes the land, rather like soy. In three
years it's
sand.
There's a reason why the Chinese government will not
allow
planting soy in most of China..... they plan thinking
decades in the
future.
I heard that Australia's fully-automated sugar-cane
farms are
far more efficient than Brazil's labour-heavy methods.
Machines don't
have to feed their children or invest in bettering their
education.
They're cheaper than slaves....
[]'s
WTF? And neither Dilma nor Lula nor anyone else
interfered with or even addressed slavery as a domestic
political issue??
just guessing, but I think "slave labor" is a bit of
hyperbole. Perhaps he meant "slave wages"?
On 4/27/2025 3:06 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/27/2025 1:42 PM, Shadow wrote:
On 27 Apr 2025 14:35:32 GMT, Roger Merriman
<roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
News sources out of US are much less partisan indeed arehttps://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/54478352605/
in/datetaken/On 26
Apr 2025 20:06:30 GMT, Roger Merriman
<roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 26 Apr 2025 09:14:12 GMT, Roger Merriman
<roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the
tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it?s a
moving target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Many countries have tariffs on products from the USA.
I see no reason
why the USA shouldn't have tariffs on their products.
Maybe it will
bring manufacturing back, maybe not. The USA used to
be a
manufacturing powerhouse and the bureaucratic
jackasses let it slip
away. I don't know if Trump's plans can save the
country, but it was
definatly going to hell with the same old, same old
plans. At least
he's trying something new.
USA tariffs used to be in line with most other
countries, hence the easy
trade across countries and indeed multiple parts and
so on, this is well a
trade war with China mostly.
--Roger Merriman
C'est bon
Soloman
No, most foreign tarriffs were much greater than USA
tarriffs,
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/
automobile- tariffs-by-country
plus other countries put additional costs on some USA
products.
I suggest that you stop paying attention to news
sources that were,
for many years, telling you that Joe Biden was mentally
and
empotionally fit to be President, when it's apparent
that he was not.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
levels of accuracy
regulations which one US style “news source” (GBnews)
has attempted to
avoid by claiming they are entertainment rather than
factual news to avoid
(not entirely) having to conform news standards!
The link is incorrect UK has a higher car tariff, as
byproduct of Brexit
and talks of a US and Uk trade deal.
Brazilian tariffs are far higher than on the
#FAKE_NEWS site.
Tax can be more than 100% of the price of an imported
car. If you
import at US$ 10.000, expect to pay AT LEAST US$ 12500
tax, for a
total of US$ 22500. And then there's the importer's 20% "
cut" on top
of that ....
Not many honest people buy imported cars.
Our central bank is still run by Bolsonaro's
minions.... and
they decide the value of taxes.
[]'s
Goes both ways.
Brasil is a highly efficient producer of sugar, which is
virtually impossible to import in to USA. For the past
120 years across every administration.
It's possible, and is a regular occurance. There are just a
lot of hoops to jump through
https://sweetenerusers.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/Sugar-
History-2023.pdf
(beware the political slant)
On 4/27/2025 4:16 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/27/2025 2:39 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 14:06:50 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
Goes both ways.
Brasil is a highly efficient producer of sugar, which is
virtually impossible to import in to USA. For the past 120
years across every administration.
Brazil uses slave labour. Hard to compete with that
price-wise. The sugar cane industry has become an oligopoly. The "big
corps" rent land from farmers, sometimes refuse to pay what they
promised and when they give the land back nothing will grow on it.
Sugar cane depletes the land, rather like soy. In three years it's
sand.
There's a reason why the Chinese government will not allow
planting soy in most of China..... they plan thinking decades in the
future.
I heard that Australia's fully-automated sugar-cane farms are
far more efficient than Brazil's labour-heavy methods. Machines don't
have to feed their children or invest in bettering their education.
They're cheaper than slaves....
[]'s
WTF? And neither Dilma nor Lula nor anyone else interfered with or even
addressed slavery as a domestic political issue??
just guessing, but I think "slave labor" is a bit of hyperbole. Perhaps
he meant "slave wages"?
On 4/27/2025 2:39 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 14:06:50 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
Goes both ways.
Brasil is a highly efficient producer of sugar, which is
virtually impossible to import in to USA. For the past 120
years across every administration.
Brazil uses slave labour. Hard to compete with that
price-wise. The sugar cane industry has become an oligopoly. The "big
corps" rent land from farmers, sometimes refuse to pay what they
promised and when they give the land back nothing will grow on it.
Sugar cane depletes the land, rather like soy. In three years it's
sand.
There's a reason why the Chinese government will not allow
planting soy in most of China..... they plan thinking decades in the
future.
I heard that Australia's fully-automated sugar-cane farms are
far more efficient than Brazil's labour-heavy methods. Machines don't
have to feed their children or invest in bettering their education.
They're cheaper than slaves....
[]'s
WTF? And neither Dilma nor Lula nor anyone else interfered
with or even addressed slavery as a domestic political issue??
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 16:39:32 -0400, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4/27/2025 4:16 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/27/2025 2:39 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 14:06:50 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>> Goes both ways.
Brasil is a highly efficient producer of sugar, which is
virtually impossible to import in to USA. For the past 120
years across every administration.
Brazil uses slave labour. Hard to compete with that
price-wise. The sugar cane industry has become an oligopoly. The "big
corps" rent land from farmers, sometimes refuse to pay what they
promised and when they give the land back nothing will grow on it.
Sugar cane depletes the land, rather like soy. In three years it's
sand.
There's a reason why the Chinese government will not allow
planting soy in most of China..... they plan thinking decades in the
future.
I heard that Australia's fully-automated sugar-cane farms are >>>> far more efficient than Brazil's labour-heavy methods. Machines don't
have to feed their children or invest in bettering their education.
They're cheaper than slaves....
[]'s
WTF? And neither Dilma nor Lula nor anyone else interfered with or even >>> addressed slavery as a domestic political issue??
just guessing, but I think "slave labor" is a bit of hyperbole. Perhaps
he meant "slave wages"?
LOL, Brazil did away with slavery because slaves became too
expensive. If one got ill, you would have to care for him or lose your property. With slavery gone, slaves became much cheaper. And you only
had to hire them a few months a year.
These people mentioned in the "slave" article are carted off
to farms with the promise of "good salaries". The owners charge more
for lunch than they pay in salaries, so the worker cannot resign. You
can't resign if you are in debt.
Those that are considered to be a problem are either killed or
work in chains so they don't run away. Most of these farms are
hundreds of kilometers from any big town.
Dunno, what do you call slave labour? Does the worker have to
be black to qualify?
[]'s
On 4/27/2025 5:43 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 16:39:32 -0400, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4/27/2025 4:16 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/27/2025 2:39 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 14:06:50 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>> Goes both ways.
Brasil is a highly efficient producer of sugar, which is
virtually impossible to import in to USA. For the past 120
years across every administration.
Brazil uses slave labour. Hard to compete with that
price-wise. The sugar cane industry has become an oligopoly. The "big >>>>> corps" rent land from farmers, sometimes refuse to pay what they
promised and when they give the land back nothing will grow on it.
Sugar cane depletes the land, rather like soy. In three years it's
sand.
There's a reason why the Chinese government will not allow
planting soy in most of China..... they plan thinking decades in the >>>>> future.
I heard that Australia's fully-automated sugar-cane farms are
far more efficient than Brazil's labour-heavy methods. Machines don't >>>>> have to feed their children or invest in bettering their education.
They're cheaper than slaves....
[]'s
WTF? And neither Dilma nor Lula nor anyone else interfered with or even >>>> addressed slavery as a domestic political issue??
just guessing, but I think "slave labor" is a bit of hyperbole. Perhaps
he meant "slave wages"?
LOL, Brazil did away with slavery because slaves became too
expensive. If one got ill, you would have to care for him or lose your
property. With slavery gone, slaves became much cheaper. And you only
had to hire them a few months a year.
These people mentioned in the "slave" article are carted off
to farms with the promise of "good salaries". The owners charge more
for lunch than they pay in salaries, so the worker cannot resign. You
can't resign if you are in debt.
Those that are considered to be a problem are either killed or
work in chains so they don't run away. Most of these farms are
hundreds of kilometers from any big town.
Dunno, what do you call slave labour? Does the worker have to
be black to qualify?
[]'s
I did not know that:in rural areas, over half are either too old, too young or too sick to
https://fpa.org/slavery-forced-labor-brazil/
Something like 150000 in a country of 215 million.
Proportionally more than USA but still, as you note,
isolated and in remote areas.'
90% of Brazilians live in urban areas. Of the 10% that live
Goes both ways.
Brasil is a highly efficient producer of sugar, which is
virtually impossible to import in to USA. For the past 120
years across every administration.
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 14:06:50 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
Goes both ways.
Brasil is a highly efficient producer of sugar, which is
virtually impossible to import in to USA. For the past 120
years across every administration.
Brazil uses slave labour. Hard to compete with that
price-wise. The sugar cane industry has become an oligopoly. The "big
corps" rent land from farmers, sometimes refuse to pay what they
promised and when they give the land back nothing will grow on it.
Sugar cane depletes the land, rather like soy. In three years it's
sand.
There's a reason why the Chinese government will not allow
planting soy in most of China..... they plan thinking decades in the
future.
I heard that Australia's fully-automated sugar-cane farms are
far more efficient than Brazil's labour-heavy methods. Machines don't
have to feed their children or invest in bettering their education.
They're cheaper than slaves....
On Sat, 26 Apr 2025 14:33:53 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/26/2025 1:15 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sat Apr 26 13:41:16 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
On 26 Apr 2025 09:14:12 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it?s a moving target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Many countries have tariffs on products from the USA. I see no reason
why the USA shouldn't have tariffs on their products. Maybe it will
bring manufacturing back, maybe not. The USA used to be a
manufacturing powerhouse and the bureaucratic jackasses let it slip
away. I don't know if Trump's plans can save the country, but it was
definatly going to hell with the same old, same old plans. At least
he's trying something new.
According to the Democrats tarriffws are good for other countries but not for Ameriucs. It was perfectly OK for Clinton to apply larger tarrifs to foreign goods than TGrump is doing but perfectly awful for Trump to do titfor tat..
Time to put these people away.
You do not understand the problem. Duty disparities are
broad, deep, convoluted and often at multiple cross
purposes. Oh, and they span every administration since
nearly forever.
All that applies in spades to domestic micromanagement in
targeted areas in this and every country, what with
incentives (bribes) and disincentives (punishment) of a
hundred flavors in thousand of iterations.
Small example-
United States of America is written in Japanese as Beikoku:
https://www.pngegg.com/en/png-fnrij
or "rice" + "country", as the reformation of language in the
1860s was contemporaneous with plentiful and inexpensive
American rice imports.
That was long, long ago, before nearly all Japanese
administrations encouraged (subsidized) extremely small
inefficient farms. Along with the votes of farmers, whose
numbers would decrease if farms were combined into larger
fields. (this is happening in USA now, a continuance of a
long trend, with more food production from less labor, but a
side effect is decreased farmer votes. In some counties this
has had major political effect.)
https://ap.fftc.org.tw/article/1327
And don't think we're better. Review USA sugar subsidies,
price supports and duties which are no better than policies
for rice in Japan.
Or the Harley Tax. Or the Chicken Tax.
I have been an importer of tubular bicycle tires across a
half dozen entities, including Yellow Jersey, for over 50
years. That's a product we have not made here in USA since
before The Great Pacific War. I pay import duty on each and
every tire and the rate hasn't changed, up or down, in a
half century.
Ah but... what would be the cost of setting up a factory and
manufacturing bike tires in the U.S.? Is it possible for the U.S. to
compete with foreign bicycle tire makers?
On Sun Apr 27 07:40:05 2025 John B. wrote:
On Sat, 26 Apr 2025 14:33:53 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/26/2025 1:15 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sat Apr 26 13:41:16 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
On 26 Apr 2025 09:14:12 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it?s a moving target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Many countries have tariffs on products from the USA. I see no reason >>>>> why the USA shouldn't have tariffs on their products. Maybe it will
bring manufacturing back, maybe not. The USA used to be a
manufacturing powerhouse and the bureaucratic jackasses let it slip
away. I don't know if Trump's plans can save the country, but it was >>>>> definatly going to hell with the same old, same old plans. At least
he's trying something new.
According to the Democrats tarriffws are good for other countries but not for Ameriucs. It was perfectly OK for Clinton to apply larger tarrifs to foreign goods than TGrump is doing but perfectly awful for Trump to do titfor tat..
Time to put these people away.
You do not understand the problem. Duty disparities are
broad, deep, convoluted and often at multiple cross
purposes. Oh, and they span every administration since
nearly forever.
All that applies in spades to domestic micromanagement in
targeted areas in this and every country, what with
incentives (bribes) and disincentives (punishment) of a
hundred flavors in thousand of iterations.
Small example-
United States of America is written in Japanese as Beikoku:
https://www.pngegg.com/en/png-fnrij
or "rice" + "country", as the reformation of language in the
1860s was contemporaneous with plentiful and inexpensive
American rice imports.
That was long, long ago, before nearly all Japanese
administrations encouraged (subsidized) extremely small
inefficient farms. Along with the votes of farmers, whose
numbers would decrease if farms were combined into larger
fields. (this is happening in USA now, a continuance of a
long trend, with more food production from less labor, but a
side effect is decreased farmer votes. In some counties this
has had major political effect.)
https://ap.fftc.org.tw/article/1327
And don't think we're better. Review USA sugar subsidies,
price supports and duties which are no better than policies
for rice in Japan.
Or the Harley Tax. Or the Chicken Tax.
I have been an importer of tubular bicycle tires across a
half dozen entities, including Yellow Jersey, for over 50
years. That's a product we have not made here in USA since
before The Great Pacific War. I pay import duty on each and
every tire and the rate hasn't changed, up or down, in a
half century.
Ah but... what would be the cost of setting up a factory and
manufacturing bike tires in the U.S.? Is it possible for the U.S. to
compete with foreign bicycle tire makers?
John, it would be very easy snce most tire research and development already comes from the USA. Many car tires are manufactured in the states ant tire technology is well known.
On 5/4/2025 5:58 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun Apr 27 07:40:05 2025 John B. wrote:
On Sat, 26 Apr 2025 14:33:53 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/26/2025 1:15 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sat Apr 26 13:41:16 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
On 26 Apr 2025 09:14:12 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>>
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it?s a moving target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Many countries have tariffs on products from the USA. I see no reason >>>>>> why the USA shouldn't have tariffs on their products. Maybe it will >>>>>> bring manufacturing back, maybe not. The USA used to be a
manufacturing powerhouse and the bureaucratic jackasses let it slip >>>>>> away. I don't know if Trump's plans can save the country, but it was >>>>>> definatly going to hell with the same old, same old plans. At least >>>>>> he's trying something new.
According to the Democrats tarriffws are good for other countries but >>>>> not for Ameriucs. It was perfectly OK for Clinton to apply larger
tarrifs to foreign goods than TGrump is doing but perfectly awful for >>>>> Trump to do titfor tat..
Time to put these people away.
You do not understand the problem. Duty disparities are
broad, deep, convoluted and often at multiple cross
purposes. Oh, and they span every administration since
nearly forever.
All that applies in spades to domestic micromanagement in
targeted areas in this and every country, what with
incentives (bribes) and disincentives (punishment) of a
hundred flavors in thousand of iterations.
Small example-
United States of America is written in Japanese as Beikoku:
https://www.pngegg.com/en/png-fnrij
or "rice" + "country", as the reformation of language in the
1860s was contemporaneous with plentiful and inexpensive
American rice imports.
That was long, long ago, before nearly all Japanese
administrations encouraged (subsidized) extremely small
inefficient farms. Along with the votes of farmers, whose
numbers would decrease if farms were combined into larger
fields. (this is happening in USA now, a continuance of a
long trend, with more food production from less labor, but a
side effect is decreased farmer votes. In some counties this
has had major political effect.)
https://ap.fftc.org.tw/article/1327
And don't think we're better. Review USA sugar subsidies,
price supports and duties which are no better than policies
for rice in Japan.
Or the Harley Tax. Or the Chicken Tax.
I have been an importer of tubular bicycle tires across a
half dozen entities, including Yellow Jersey, for over 50
years. That's a product we have not made here in USA since
before The Great Pacific War. I pay import duty on each and
every tire and the rate hasn't changed, up or down, in a
half century.
Ah but... what would be the cost of setting up a factory and
manufacturing bike tires in the U.S.? Is it possible for the U.S. to
compete with foreign bicycle tire makers?
John, it would be very easy snce most tire research and development
already comes from the USA. Many car tires are manufactured in the
states ant tire technology is well known.
There's no logical reason we can't make steel either. The
country is blessed with ample iron ore and coking coal. And
we built a highly efficient intermodal system of barges,
rail and truck transportation. We have ample labor and
capital available. Except for the unions, EPA and a host of
other agencies and regulations, you'd expect us to be a
major steel exporter. As it is, the Koreans and even red
china have established the going price which is well below
our cost of production.
What do you want to pay for a tubular tire?
On 5/4/2025 9:00 PM, AMuzi wrote:
There's no logical reason we can't make steel either. The country is
blessed with ample iron ore and coking coal. And we built a highly
efficient intermodal system of barges, rail and truck transportation. We
have ample labor and capital available.
About transportation: One of the major factors in the demise of the huge >steel industry in Youngstown was the transportation problem. For
decades, there was serious talk about digging a canal north from
Youngstown to Lake Erie, to cut transport expenses. That never happened,
and doubtlessly contributed to the failure of the local industry.
Except for the unions, EPA and
a host of other agencies and regulations, you'd expect us to be a major
steel exporter.
Union blaming is common - as in "West Virginia would be selling lots
more coal if only those workers didn't organize and complain about black
lung disease!" But there are many, many other factors beyond labor costs
that affected those U.S. industries; and I don't see why laborers should
not have a right to make demands.
If their salaries were too high, please keep in mind that management did >agree to pay them. There's something about supply and demand at work there.
On Mon, 5 May 2025 18:03:45 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/4/2025 9:00 PM, AMuzi wrote:
There's no logical reason we can't make steel either. The country is
blessed with ample iron ore and coking coal. And we built a highly
efficient intermodal system of barges, rail and truck transportation. We >>> have ample labor and capital available.
About transportation: One of the major factors in the demise of the huge
steel industry in Youngstown was the transportation problem. For
decades, there was serious talk about digging a canal north from
Youngstown to Lake Erie, to cut transport expenses. That never happened,
and doubtlessly contributed to the failure of the local industry.
Except for the unions, EPA and
a host of other agencies and regulations, you'd expect us to be a major
steel exporter.
Union blaming is common - as in "West Virginia would be selling lots
more coal if only those workers didn't organize and complain about black
lung disease!" But there are many, many other factors beyond labor costs
that affected those U.S. industries; and I don't see why laborers should
not have a right to make demands.
If their salaries were too high, please keep in mind that management did
agree to pay them. There's something about supply and demand at work there.
Not salaries, wages, and yes the management went along with the
demands, partly because of laws that forced people to join the union
if they wanted the job and also the governments' refusal to protect
those who wanted to pass through picket lines and work. It was
government, management, and the unions.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Not salaries, wages, and yes the management went along with the
demands, partly because of laws that forced people to join the union
if they wanted the job and also the governments' refusal to protect
those who wanted to pass through picket lines and work. It was
government, management, and the unions.
On Mon, 05 May 2025 19:03:55 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
Not salaries, wages, and yes the management went along with the
demands, partly because of laws that forced people to join the union
if they wanted the job and also the governments' refusal to protect
those who wanted to pass through picket lines and work. It was
government, management, and the unions.
The closed shop, which required employees to join a union, officially
ended in 1947. Unfortunately, the unions found various ways to
continue the practice mostly by re-defining a "closed shop". ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_shop#United_States>
"The US government does not permit union shops in any federal agency, >regardless of state laws."
On Mon, 05 May 2025 19:03:55 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
Not salaries, wages, and yes the management went along with the
demands, partly because of laws that forced people to join the union
if they wanted the job and also the governments' refusal to protect
those who wanted to pass through picket lines and work. It was
government, management, and the unions.
The closed shop, which required employees to join a union, officially
ended in 1947. Unfortunately, the unions found various ways to
continue the practice mostly by re-defining a "closed shop". <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_shop#United_States>
"The US government does not permit union shops in any federal agency, regardless of state laws."
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it’s a moving target so may well change.
Roger Merriman
On 5/7/2025 7:56 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/26/2025 5:14 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the
tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it’s a moving
target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Jared Fisher is the CEO of Escape Adventures, a company
with several bike shops in Nevada that specializes in E-
bike sales and rentals.
In this article he discusses his take on the tariffs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/smallbusiness/i-m-a-
republican-ceo-i-m- adding-a-tariff-tax-to-my-price-tags-
so-customers-know-why-prices-are- rising/ar-AA1EjCTR
Tagging the tariff surcharge seems like a smart business
move. It should reduce whining about profiteering, and help
put the blame where it belongs.
On 5/7/2025 7:56 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/26/2025 5:14 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the tariffs are effecting >>> US companies certainly small ones, as ever it’s a moving target so may >>> well
change.
Roger Merriman
Jared Fisher is the CEO of Escape Adventures, a company with several
bike shops in Nevada that specializes in E-bike sales and rentals.
In this article he discusses his take on the tariffs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/smallbusiness/i-m-a-republican-ceo-i-m-
adding-a-tariff-tax-to-my-price-tags-so-customers-know-why-prices-are-
rising/ar-AA1EjCTR
Tagging the tariff surcharge seems like a smart business move. It should reduce whining about profiteering, and help put the blame where it belongs.
On 5/7/2025 11:38 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/7/2025 9:44 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:56 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/26/2025 5:14 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the
tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it’s a
moving target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Jared Fisher is the CEO of Escape Adventures, a company
with several bike shops in Nevada that specializes in E-
bike sales and rentals.
In this article he discusses his take on the tariffs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/smallbusiness/i-m-a-
republican-ceo- i-m- adding-a-tariff-tax-to-my-price-
tags- so-customers-know-why- prices-are- rising/ar-AA1EjCTR
Tagging the tariff surcharge seems like a smart business
move. It should reduce whining about profiteering, and
help put the blame where it belongs.
I agree. And let's continue that thought:
https://hellocigarettes.com/2023/11/08/cigarette-prices-
and-taxes-by-state/
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/gasoline/factors-
affecting-gasoline- prices.php
No problem - there shouldn't be any qualms about line-item
listing taxes, surcharges, or tariffs. One thing it is _not_
is a "hostile political act", unlike the white house and
karoline "bootlicker" leavitt's cult proclamation.
On 5/7/2025 9:44 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:56 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/26/2025 5:14 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the tariffs are
effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it’s a moving target so
may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Jared Fisher is the CEO of Escape Adventures, a company with several
bike shops in Nevada that specializes in E- bike sales and rentals.
In this article he discusses his take on the tariffs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/smallbusiness/i-m-a- republican-ceo-
i-m- adding-a-tariff-tax-to-my-price-tags- so-customers-know-why-
prices-are- rising/ar-AA1EjCTR
Tagging the tariff surcharge seems like a smart business move. It
should reduce whining about profiteering, and help put the blame where
it belongs.
I agree. And let's continue that thought:
https://hellocigarettes.com/2023/11/08/cigarette-prices-and-taxes-by-state/
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/gasoline/factors-affecting-gasoline- prices.php
On 5/7/2025 9:44 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:56 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/26/2025 5:14 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the
tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever its a moving
target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Jared Fisher is the CEO of Escape Adventures, a company
with several bike shops in Nevada that specializes in E-
bike sales and rentals.
In this article he discusses his take on the tariffs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/smallbusiness/i-m-a-
republican-ceo-i-m- adding-a-tariff-tax-to-my-price-tags-
so-customers-know-why-prices-are- rising/ar-AA1EjCTR
Tagging the tariff surcharge seems like a smart business
move. It should reduce whining about profiteering, and help
put the blame where it belongs.
I agree. And let's continue that thought:
https://hellocigarettes.com/2023/11/08/cigarette-prices-and-taxes-by-state/
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/gasoline/factors-affecting-gasoline-prices.php
On 5/7/2025 11:38 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/7/2025 9:44 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:56 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/26/2025 5:14 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the tariffs are
effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it?s a moving target so
may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Jared Fisher is the CEO of Escape Adventures, a company with several
bike shops in Nevada that specializes in E- bike sales and rentals.
In this article he discusses his take on the tariffs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/smallbusiness/i-m-a- republican-ceo-
i-m- adding-a-tariff-tax-to-my-price-tags- so-customers-know-why-
prices-are- rising/ar-AA1EjCTR
Tagging the tariff surcharge seems like a smart business move. It
should reduce whining about profiteering, and help put the blame where
it belongs.
I agree. And let's continue that thought:
https://hellocigarettes.com/2023/11/08/cigarette-prices-and-taxes-by-state/
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/gasoline/factors-affecting-gasoline- prices.php
No problem - there shouldn't be any qualms about line-item listing
taxes, surcharges, or tariffs. One thing it is _not_ is a "hostile
political act", unlike the white house and karoline "bootlicker"
leavitt's cult proclamation.
On Wed, 7 May 2025 10:38:32 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/7/2025 9:44 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:56 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/26/2025 5:14 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the
tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever its a moving
target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Jared Fisher is the CEO of Escape Adventures, a company
with several bike shops in Nevada that specializes in E-
bike sales and rentals.
In this article he discusses his take on the tariffs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/smallbusiness/i-m-a-
republican-ceo-i-m- adding-a-tariff-tax-to-my-price-tags-
so-customers-know-why-prices-are- rising/ar-AA1EjCTR
Tagging the tariff surcharge seems like a smart business
move. It should reduce whining about profiteering, and help
put the blame where it belongs.
I agree. And let's continue that thought:
https://hellocigarettes.com/2023/11/08/cigarette-prices-and-taxes-by-state/ >> >>https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/gasoline/factors-affecting-gasoline-prices.php
There is a possibility that the foriegn seller might have lowered the
price to absorb some of the tariff.
On 5/7/2025 9:44 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:56 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/26/2025 5:14 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the
tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever its a moving
target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Jared Fisher is the CEO of Escape Adventures, a company
with several bike shops in Nevada that specializes in E-
bike sales and rentals.
In this article he discusses his take on the tariffs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/smallbusiness/i-m-a-
republican-ceo-i-m- adding-a-tariff-tax-to-my-price-tags-
so-customers-know-why-prices-are- rising/ar-AA1EjCTR
Tagging the tariff surcharge seems like a smart business
move. It should reduce whining about profiteering, and help
put the blame where it belongs.
I agree. And let's continue that thought:
https://hellocigarettes.com/2023/11/08/cigarette-prices-and-taxes-by-state/
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/gasoline/factors-affecting-gasoline-prices.php
On Wed May 7 12:22:50 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 5/7/2025 11:38 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/7/2025 9:44 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:56 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/26/2025 5:14 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the tariffs are
effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it?s a moving target so >>>>>> may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Jared Fisher is the CEO of Escape Adventures, a company with several >>>>> bike shops in Nevada that specializes in E- bike sales and rentals.
In this article he discusses his take on the tariffs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/smallbusiness/i-m-a- republican-ceo- >>>>> i-m- adding-a-tariff-tax-to-my-price-tags- so-customers-know-why-
prices-are- rising/ar-AA1EjCTR
Tagging the tariff surcharge seems like a smart business move. It
should reduce whining about profiteering, and help put the blame where >>>> it belongs.
I agree. And let's continue that thought:
https://hellocigarettes.com/2023/11/08/cigarette-prices-and-taxes-by-state/ >>>
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/gasoline/factors-affecting-gasoline- >>> prices.php
No problem - there shouldn't be any qualms about line-item listing
taxes, surcharges, or tariffs. One thing it is _not_ is a "hostile
political act", unlike the white house and karoline "bootlicker"
leavitt's cult proclamation.
Does your employer know that you're trying to end their fovernment contract?
On Wed May 7 12:22:50 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 5/7/2025 11:38 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/7/2025 9:44 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:56 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/26/2025 5:14 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the tariffs are
effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it?s a moving target so
may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Jared Fisher is the CEO of Escape Adventures, a company with several
bike shops in Nevada that specializes in E- bike sales and rentals.
In this article he discusses his take on the tariffs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/smallbusiness/i-m-a- republican-ceo-
i-m- adding-a-tariff-tax-to-my-price-tags- so-customers-know-why-
prices-are- rising/ar-AA1EjCTR
Tagging the tariff surcharge seems like a smart business move. It
should reduce whining about profiteering, and help put the blame where
it belongs.
I agree. And let's continue that thought:
https://hellocigarettes.com/2023/11/08/cigarette-prices-and-taxes-by-state/
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/gasoline/factors-affecting-gasoline- >> > prices.php
No problem - there shouldn't be any qualms about line-item listing
taxes, surcharges, or tariffs. One thing it is _not_ is a "hostile
political act", unlike the white house and karoline "bootlicker"
leavitt's cult proclamation.
Does your employer know that you're trying to end their fovernment contract?
On Wed, 07 May 2025 12:43:45 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Wed, 7 May 2025 10:38:32 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/7/2025 9:44 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:56 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/26/2025 5:14 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the
tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever its a moving
target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Jared Fisher is the CEO of Escape Adventures, a company
with several bike shops in Nevada that specializes in E-
bike sales and rentals.
In this article he discusses his take on the tariffs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/smallbusiness/i-m-a-
republican-ceo-i-m- adding-a-tariff-tax-to-my-price-tags-
so-customers-know-why-prices-are- rising/ar-AA1EjCTR
Tagging the tariff surcharge seems like a smart business
move. It should reduce whining about profiteering, and help
put the blame where it belongs.
I agree. And let's continue that thought:
https://hellocigarettes.com/2023/11/08/cigarette-prices-and-taxes-by-state/ >>> >>>https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/gasoline/factors-affecting-gasoline-prices.php
There is a possibility that the foriegn seller might have lowered the
price to absorb some of the tariff.
Almost impossible. Profit margins are very small, and usually
come from the number of items sold. Massive numbers = reasonable
profit.
I very much doubt the Chinese will pay the taxes. They might
INCREASE prices to compensate for less items sold. But the US is not a
big market if you look at the Global scene, so the increase will be
slight.
PS The American consumer will pay 100% of Trump's taxes. I
mean tariffs. Aff ... same thing.
[]'s
On Wed, 07 May 2025 12:43:45 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Wed, 7 May 2025 10:38:32 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/7/2025 9:44 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:56 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/26/2025 5:14 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the
tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it’s a moving
target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Jared Fisher is the CEO of Escape Adventures, a company
with several bike shops in Nevada that specializes in E-
bike sales and rentals.
In this article he discusses his take on the tariffs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/smallbusiness/i-m-a-
republican-ceo-i-m- adding-a-tariff-tax-to-my-price-tags-
so-customers-know-why-prices-are- rising/ar-AA1EjCTR
Tagging the tariff surcharge seems like a smart business
move. It should reduce whining about profiteering, and help
put the blame where it belongs.
I agree. And let's continue that thought:
https://hellocigarettes.com/2023/11/08/cigarette-prices-and-taxes-by-state/ >>>
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/gasoline/factors-affecting-gasoline-prices.php
There is a possibility that the foriegn seller might have lowered the
price to absorb some of the tariff.
Almost impossible. Profit margins are very small, and usually
come from the number of items sold. Massive numbers = reasonable
profit.
I very much doubt the Chinese will pay the taxes. They might
INCREASE prices to compensate for less items sold. But the US is not a
big market if you look at the Global scene, so the increase will be
slight.
PS The American consumer will pay 100% of Trump's taxes. I
mean tariffs. Aff ... same thing.
[]'s
On Wed, 7 May 2025 10:38:32 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/7/2025 9:44 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:56 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/26/2025 5:14 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the
tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it’s a moving
target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Jared Fisher is the CEO of Escape Adventures, a company
with several bike shops in Nevada that specializes in E-
bike sales and rentals.
In this article he discusses his take on the tariffs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/smallbusiness/i-m-a-
republican-ceo-i-m- adding-a-tariff-tax-to-my-price-tags-
so-customers-know-why-prices-are- rising/ar-AA1EjCTR
Tagging the tariff surcharge seems like a smart business
move. It should reduce whining about profiteering, and help
put the blame where it belongs.
I agree. And let's continue that thought:
https://hellocigarettes.com/2023/11/08/cigarette-prices-and-taxes-by-state/
The prices should be higher. There's a massive tax in Brazil,
but it's not enough to pay for man-hours lost due to tobacco-caused
diseases, or to pay for the treatment of cancer and heart/lung/bladder disease..
Same with alcohol. Prices should be higher....
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/gasoline/factors-affecting-gasoline-prices.php
That looks reasonable, though why do they waste money on
"marketing" ? Most people just fill up at whatever gas station is
handy. I do....
[]'s
On Wed, 07 May 2025 15:36:55 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:
On Wed, 07 May 2025 12:43:45 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Wed, 7 May 2025 10:38:32 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/7/2025 9:44 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:56 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/26/2025 5:14 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the
tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it’s a moving
target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Jared Fisher is the CEO of Escape Adventures, a company
with several bike shops in Nevada that specializes in E-
bike sales and rentals.
In this article he discusses his take on the tariffs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/smallbusiness/i-m-a-
republican-ceo-i-m- adding-a-tariff-tax-to-my-price-tags-
so-customers-know-why-prices-are- rising/ar-AA1EjCTR
Tagging the tariff surcharge seems like a smart business
move. It should reduce whining about profiteering, and help
put the blame where it belongs.
I agree. And let's continue that thought:
https://hellocigarettes.com/2023/11/08/cigarette-prices-and-taxes-by-state/
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/gasoline/factors-affecting-gasoline-prices.php
There is a possibility that the foriegn seller might have lowered the
price to absorb some of the tariff.
Almost impossible. Profit margins are very small, and usually
come from the number of items sold. Massive numbers = reasonable
profit.
I very much doubt the Chinese will pay the taxes. They might
INCREASE prices to compensate for less items sold. But the US is not a
big market if you look at the Global scene, so the increase will be
slight.
PS The American consumer will pay 100% of Trump's taxes. I
mean tariffs. Aff ... same thing.
[]'s
Might be true, but it might be necessary as a way to get other
countries to bargan with their tariffs.
We'll see
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On 5/7/2025 1:36 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Wed, 07 May 2025 12:43:45 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Wed, 7 May 2025 10:38:32 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/7/2025 9:44 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:56 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/26/2025 5:14 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the
tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever its a moving
target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Jared Fisher is the CEO of Escape Adventures, a company
with several bike shops in Nevada that specializes in E-
bike sales and rentals.
In this article he discusses his take on the tariffs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/smallbusiness/i-m-a-
republican-ceo-i-m- adding-a-tariff-tax-to-my-price-tags-
so-customers-know-why-prices-are- rising/ar-AA1EjCTR
Tagging the tariff surcharge seems like a smart business
move. It should reduce whining about profiteering, and help
put the blame where it belongs.
I agree. And let's continue that thought:
https://hellocigarettes.com/2023/11/08/cigarette-prices-and-taxes-by-state/
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/gasoline/factors-affecting-gasoline-prices.php
There is a possibility that the foriegn seller might have lowered the
price to absorb some of the tariff.
Almost impossible. Profit margins are very small, and usually
come from the number of items sold. Massive numbers = reasonable
profit.
I very much doubt the Chinese will pay the taxes. They might
INCREASE prices to compensate for less items sold. But the US is not a
big market if you look at the Global scene, so the increase will be
slight.
PS The American consumer will pay 100% of Trump's taxes. I
mean tariffs. Aff ... same thing.
[]'s
We each have our own opinions on any given product and rate
into any country at any time (in our capacity as consumers
or as exporters) but no country on earth has a logical duty
system:
https://thebrazilbusiness.com/article/how-to-calculate-brazilian-import-duties-and-taxes
On Wed, 7 May 2025 16:13:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/7/2025 1:36 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Wed, 07 May 2025 12:43:45 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Wed, 7 May 2025 10:38:32 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/7/2025 9:44 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:56 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/26/2025 5:14 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the
tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it’s a moving
target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Jared Fisher is the CEO of Escape Adventures, a company
with several bike shops in Nevada that specializes in E-
bike sales and rentals.
In this article he discusses his take on the tariffs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/smallbusiness/i-m-a-
republican-ceo-i-m- adding-a-tariff-tax-to-my-price-tags-
so-customers-know-why-prices-are- rising/ar-AA1EjCTR
Tagging the tariff surcharge seems like a smart business
move. It should reduce whining about profiteering, and help
put the blame where it belongs.
I agree. And let's continue that thought:
https://hellocigarettes.com/2023/11/08/cigarette-prices-and-taxes-by-state/
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/gasoline/factors-affecting-gasoline-prices.php
There is a possibility that the foriegn seller might have lowered the
price to absorb some of the tariff.
Almost impossible. Profit margins are very small, and usually
come from the number of items sold. Massive numbers = reasonable
profit.
I very much doubt the Chinese will pay the taxes. They might
INCREASE prices to compensate for less items sold. But the US is not a
big market if you look at the Global scene, so the increase will be
slight.
PS The American consumer will pay 100% of Trump's taxes. I
mean tariffs. Aff ... same thing.
[]'s
We each have our own opinions on any given product and rate
into any country at any time (in our capacity as consumers
or as exporters) but no country on earth has a logical duty
system:
https://thebrazilbusiness.com/article/how-to-calculate-brazilian-import-duties-and-taxes
During the right-wing dictatorship, import tax was 200% on
anything, even medical supplies. Whiskey was tax-exempt, because our
minister of economy (Simonsen) was an alcoholic and he only drank
scotch.
On top of that there was (still is) the state taxes of ~20%.
These tariffs (taxes) were to "stimulate local industry".
It just made a lot of importers very, very rich (the military
exempted "the chosen ones" from paying tax).
PS Your article is outdated. Import tax is now 60%. Lula had
diminished it to 20% by decree, but that's only valid if congress
ratifies it. Bolsonaro has 90% of congress. He ordered them to reject
the decree.
[]'s
On Wed, 07 May 2025 15:36:55 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:
On Wed, 07 May 2025 12:43:45 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Wed, 7 May 2025 10:38:32 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/7/2025 9:44 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:56 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/26/2025 5:14 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the
tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it’s a moving
target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Jared Fisher is the CEO of Escape Adventures, a company
with several bike shops in Nevada that specializes in E-
bike sales and rentals.
In this article he discusses his take on the tariffs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/smallbusiness/i-m-a-
republican-ceo-i-m- adding-a-tariff-tax-to-my-price-tags-
so-customers-know-why-prices-are- rising/ar-AA1EjCTR
Tagging the tariff surcharge seems like a smart business
move. It should reduce whining about profiteering, and help
put the blame where it belongs.
I agree. And let's continue that thought:
https://hellocigarettes.com/2023/11/08/cigarette-prices-and-taxes-by-state/
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/gasoline/factors-affecting-gasoline-prices.php
There is a possibility that the foriegn seller might have lowered the
price to absorb some of the tariff.
Almost impossible. Profit margins are very small, and usually
come from the number of items sold. Massive numbers = reasonable
profit.
I very much doubt the Chinese will pay the taxes. They might
INCREASE prices to compensate for less items sold. But the US is not a
big market if you look at the Global scene, so the increase will be
slight.
PS The American consumer will pay 100% of Trump's taxes. I
mean tariffs. Aff ... same thing.
[]'s
Might be true, but it might be necessary as a way to get other
countries to bargan with their tariffs.
Am 07.05.2025 um 21:09 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Wed, 07 May 2025 15:36:55 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:
On Wed, 07 May 2025 12:43:45 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Wed, 7 May 2025 10:38:32 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/7/2025 9:44 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:56 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/26/2025 5:14 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the
tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever its a moving
target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Jared Fisher is the CEO of Escape Adventures, a company
with several bike shops in Nevada that specializes in E-
bike sales and rentals.
In this article he discusses his take on the tariffs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/smallbusiness/i-m-a-
republican-ceo-i-m- adding-a-tariff-tax-to-my-price-tags-
so-customers-know-why-prices-are- rising/ar-AA1EjCTR
Tagging the tariff surcharge seems like a smart business
move. It should reduce whining about profiteering, and help
put the blame where it belongs.
I agree. And let's continue that thought:
https://hellocigarettes.com/2023/11/08/cigarette-prices-and-taxes-by-state/
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/gasoline/factors-affecting-gasoline-prices.php
There is a possibility that the foriegn seller might have lowered the
price to absorb some of the tariff.
Almost impossible. Profit margins are very small, and usually
come from the number of items sold. Massive numbers = reasonable
profit.
I very much doubt the Chinese will pay the taxes. They might
INCREASE prices to compensate for less items sold. But the US is not a
big market if you look at the Global scene, so the increase will be
slight.
PS The American consumer will pay 100% of Trump's taxes. I
mean tariffs. Aff ... same thing.
[]'s
Might be true, but it might be necessary as a way to get other
countries to bargan with their tariffs.
For some reason, the EU offer of "zero tariffs on all manufacutred
goods" has not led to further negotiation rounds yet.
Am 07.05.2025 um 21:09 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Wed, 07 May 2025 15:36:55 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:
On Wed, 07 May 2025 12:43:45 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Wed, 7 May 2025 10:38:32 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/7/2025 9:44 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:56 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/26/2025 5:14 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the
tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it’s a
moving
target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Jared Fisher is the CEO of Escape Adventures, a company
with several bike shops in Nevada that specializes in E-
bike sales and rentals.
In this article he discusses his take on the tariffs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/smallbusiness/i-m-a-
republican-ceo-i-m- adding-a-tariff-tax-to-my-price-
tags-
so-customers-know-why-prices-are- rising/ar-AA1EjCTR
Tagging the tariff surcharge seems like a smart business
move. It should reduce whining about profiteering, and
help
put the blame where it belongs.
I agree. And let's continue that thought:
https://hellocigarettes.com/2023/11/08/cigarette-
prices-and-taxes-by-state/
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/gasoline/factors-
affecting-gasoline-prices.php
There is a possibility that the foriegn seller might
have lowered the
price to absorb some of the tariff.
Almost impossible. Profit margins are very small,
and usually
come from the number of items sold. Massive numbers =
reasonable
profit.
I very much doubt the Chinese will pay the taxes.
They might
INCREASE prices to compensate for less items sold. But
the US is not a
big market if you look at the Global scene, so the
increase will be
slight.
PS The American consumer will pay 100% of Trump's
taxes. I
mean tariffs. Aff ... same thing.
[]'s
Might be true, but it might be necessary as a way to get
other
countries to bargan with their tariffs.
For some reason, the EU offer of "zero tariffs on all
manufacutred goods" has not led to further negotiation
rounds yet.
On 5/8/2025 3:47 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 07.05.2025 um 21:09 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Wed, 07 May 2025 15:36:55 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:
On Wed, 07 May 2025 12:43:45 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Wed, 7 May 2025 10:38:32 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/7/2025 9:44 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:56 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/26/2025 5:14 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the
tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it’s a
moving
target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Jared Fisher is the CEO of Escape Adventures, a company
with several bike shops in Nevada that specializes in E-
bike sales and rentals.
In this article he discusses his take on the tariffs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/smallbusiness/i-m-a-
republican-ceo-i-m- adding-a-tariff-tax-to-my-price-
tags-
so-customers-know-why-prices-are- rising/ar-AA1EjCTR
Tagging the tariff surcharge seems like a smart business
move. It should reduce whining about profiteering, and
help
put the blame where it belongs.
I agree. And let's continue that thought:
https://hellocigarettes.com/2023/11/08/cigarette-
prices-and-taxes-by-state/
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/gasoline/factors-
affecting-gasoline-prices.php
There is a possibility that the foriegn seller might
have lowered the
price to absorb some of the tariff.
Almost impossible. Profit margins are very small,
and usually
come from the number of items sold. Massive numbers =
reasonable
profit.
I very much doubt the Chinese will pay the taxes.
They might
INCREASE prices to compensate for less items sold. But
the US is not a
big market if you look at the Global scene, so the
increase will be
slight.
PS The American consumer will pay 100% of Trump's
taxes. I
mean tariffs. Aff ... same thing.
[]'s
Might be true, but it might be necessary as a way to get
other
countries to bargan with their tariffs.
For some reason, the EU offer of "zero tariffs on all
manufacutred goods" has not led to further negotiation
rounds yet.
We can hope, unlikely though it may be.
Am 08.05.2025 um 11:11 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Thu, 8 May 2025 10:47:45 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de>
wrote:
Am 07.05.2025 um 21:09 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Wed, 07 May 2025 15:36:55 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:
On Wed, 07 May 2025 12:43:45 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Wed, 7 May 2025 10:38:32 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>
On 5/7/2025 9:44 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:56 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/26/2025 5:14 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the
tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it’s a moving >>>>>>>>>> target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Jared Fisher is the CEO of Escape Adventures, a company
with several bike shops in Nevada that specializes in E-
bike sales and rentals.
In this article he discusses his take on the tariffs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/smallbusiness/i-m-a-
republican-ceo-i-m- adding-a-tariff-tax-to-my-price-tags-
so-customers-know-why-prices-are- rising/ar-AA1EjCTR
Tagging the tariff surcharge seems like a smart business
move. It should reduce whining about profiteering, and help
put the blame where it belongs.
I agree. And let's continue that thought:
https://hellocigarettes.com/2023/11/08/cigarette-prices-and-
taxes-by-state/
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/gasoline/factors-affecting-
gasoline-prices.php
There is a possibility that the foriegn seller might have lowered the >>>>>> price to absorb some of the tariff.
Almost impossible. Profit margins are very small, and usually >>>>> come from the number of items sold. Massive numbers = reasonable
profit.
I very much doubt the Chinese will pay the taxes. They might >>>>> INCREASE prices to compensate for less items sold. But the US is not a >>>>> big market if you look at the Global scene, so the increase will be
slight.
PS The American consumer will pay 100% of Trump's taxes. I
mean tariffs. Aff ... same thing.
[]'s
Might be true, but it might be necessary as a way to get other
countries to bargan with their tariffs.
For some reason, the EU offer of "zero tariffs on all manufacutred
goods" has not led to further negotiation rounds yet.
Why not on all goods?
<https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-offers-trump-removal-of-all-tariffs>
Agricultural goods is politically a very hot potato, especially for France.
On Thu, 8 May 2025 10:47:45 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de>
wrote:
Am 07.05.2025 um 21:09 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Wed, 07 May 2025 15:36:55 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:
On Wed, 07 May 2025 12:43:45 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Wed, 7 May 2025 10:38:32 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>
On 5/7/2025 9:44 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:56 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/26/2025 5:14 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the
tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it’s a moving
target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Jared Fisher is the CEO of Escape Adventures, a company
with several bike shops in Nevada that specializes in E-
bike sales and rentals.
In this article he discusses his take on the tariffs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/smallbusiness/i-m-a-
republican-ceo-i-m- adding-a-tariff-tax-to-my-price-tags-
so-customers-know-why-prices-are- rising/ar-AA1EjCTR
Tagging the tariff surcharge seems like a smart business
move. It should reduce whining about profiteering, and help
put the blame where it belongs.
I agree. And let's continue that thought:
https://hellocigarettes.com/2023/11/08/cigarette-prices-and-taxes-by-state/
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/gasoline/factors-affecting-gasoline-prices.php
There is a possibility that the foriegn seller might have lowered the >>>>> price to absorb some of the tariff.
Almost impossible. Profit margins are very small, and usually
come from the number of items sold. Massive numbers = reasonable
profit.
I very much doubt the Chinese will pay the taxes. They might
INCREASE prices to compensate for less items sold. But the US is not a >>>> big market if you look at the Global scene, so the increase will be
slight.
PS The American consumer will pay 100% of Trump's taxes. I
mean tariffs. Aff ... same thing.
[]'s
Might be true, but it might be necessary as a way to get other
countries to bargan with their tariffs.
For some reason, the EU offer of "zero tariffs on all manufacutred
goods" has not led to further negotiation rounds yet.
Why not on all goods?
Am 08.05.2025 um 11:11 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Thu, 8 May 2025 10:47:45 +0200, Rolf Mantel
<news@hartig-mantel.de>
wrote:
Am 07.05.2025 um 21:09 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Wed, 07 May 2025 15:36:55 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br>
wrote:
On Wed, 07 May 2025 12:43:45 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Wed, 7 May 2025 10:38:32 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/7/2025 9:44 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:56 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/26/2025 5:14 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the
tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it’s a
moving
target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Jared Fisher is the CEO of Escape Adventures, a
company
with several bike shops in Nevada that specializes
in E-
bike sales and rentals.
In this article he discusses his take on the tariffs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/smallbusiness/i-m-a-
republican-ceo-i-m- adding-a-tariff-tax-to-my-
price-tags-
so-customers-know-why-prices-are- rising/ar-AA1EjCTR
Tagging the tariff surcharge seems like a smart
business
move. It should reduce whining about profiteering,
and help
put the blame where it belongs.
I agree. And let's continue that thought:
https://hellocigarettes.com/2023/11/08/cigarette-
prices-and-taxes-by-state/
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/gasoline/factors-
affecting-gasoline-prices.php
There is a possibility that the foriegn seller might
have lowered the
price to absorb some of the tariff.
Almost impossible. Profit margins are very small,
and usually
come from the number of items sold. Massive numbers =
reasonable
profit.
I very much doubt the Chinese will pay the taxes.
They might
INCREASE prices to compensate for less items sold. But
the US is not a
big market if you look at the Global scene, so the
increase will be
slight.
PS The American consumer will pay 100% of Trump's
taxes. I
mean tariffs. Aff ... same thing.
[]'s
Might be true, but it might be necessary as a way to get
other
countries to bargan with their tariffs.
For some reason, the EU offer of "zero tariffs on all
manufacutred
goods" has not led to further negotiation rounds yet.
Why not on all goods?
<https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-offers-trump-removal-of-
all-tariffs>
Agricultural goods is politically a very hot potato,
especially for France.
Am 08.05.2025 um 11:11 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Thu, 8 May 2025 10:47:45 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de>
wrote:
Am 07.05.2025 um 21:09 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Wed, 07 May 2025 15:36:55 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:
On Wed, 07 May 2025 12:43:45 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Wed, 7 May 2025 10:38:32 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>
On 5/7/2025 9:44 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:56 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/26/2025 5:14 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the
tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever its a moving
target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Jared Fisher is the CEO of Escape Adventures, a company
with several bike shops in Nevada that specializes in E-
bike sales and rentals.
In this article he discusses his take on the tariffs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/smallbusiness/i-m-a-
republican-ceo-i-m- adding-a-tariff-tax-to-my-price-tags-
so-customers-know-why-prices-are- rising/ar-AA1EjCTR
Tagging the tariff surcharge seems like a smart business
move. It should reduce whining about profiteering, and help
put the blame where it belongs.
I agree. And let's continue that thought:
https://hellocigarettes.com/2023/11/08/cigarette-prices-and-taxes-by-state/
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/gasoline/factors-affecting-gasoline-prices.php
There is a possibility that the foriegn seller might have lowered the >>>>>> price to absorb some of the tariff.
Almost impossible. Profit margins are very small, and usually
come from the number of items sold. Massive numbers = reasonable
profit.
I very much doubt the Chinese will pay the taxes. They might
INCREASE prices to compensate for less items sold. But the US is not a >>>>> big market if you look at the Global scene, so the increase will be
slight.
PS The American consumer will pay 100% of Trump's taxes. I
mean tariffs. Aff ... same thing.
[]'s
Might be true, but it might be necessary as a way to get other
countries to bargan with their tariffs.
For some reason, the EU offer of "zero tariffs on all manufacutred
goods" has not led to further negotiation rounds yet.
Why not on all goods?
<https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-offers-trump-removal-of-all-tariffs>
Agricultural goods is politically a very hot potato, especially for France.
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/8/2025 3:47 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 07.05.2025 um 21:09 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Wed, 07 May 2025 15:36:55 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:
On Wed, 07 May 2025 12:43:45 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Wed, 7 May 2025 10:38:32 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/7/2025 9:44 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:56 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/26/2025 5:14 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the
tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it’s a
moving
target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Jared Fisher is the CEO of Escape Adventures, a company
with several bike shops in Nevada that specializes in E-
bike sales and rentals.
In this article he discusses his take on the tariffs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/smallbusiness/i-m-a-
republican-ceo-i-m- adding-a-tariff-tax-to-my-price-
tags-
so-customers-know-why-prices-are- rising/ar-AA1EjCTR
Tagging the tariff surcharge seems like a smart business
move. It should reduce whining about profiteering, and
help
put the blame where it belongs.
I agree. And let's continue that thought:
https://hellocigarettes.com/2023/11/08/cigarette-
prices-and-taxes-by-state/
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/gasoline/factors-
affecting-gasoline-prices.php
There is a possibility that the foriegn seller might
have lowered the
price to absorb some of the tariff.
Almost impossible. Profit margins are very small,
and usually
come from the number of items sold. Massive numbers =
reasonable
profit.
I very much doubt the Chinese will pay the taxes.
They might
INCREASE prices to compensate for less items sold. But
the US is not a
big market if you look at the Global scene, so the
increase will be
slight.
PS The American consumer will pay 100% of Trump's
taxes. I
mean tariffs. Aff ... same thing.
[]'s
Might be true, but it might be necessary as a way to get
other
countries to bargan with their tariffs.
For some reason, the EU offer of "zero tariffs on all
manufacutred goods" has not led to further negotiation
rounds yet.
We can hope, unlikely though it may be.
I believe is some US/UK deal though probably mainly on cars which has been waiting post Brexit for some sort of deal, ie it’s not new just not been on either countries priorities, over last few years.
Maybe something regarding creative industries UK does a fair bit with films and so on.
Agriculture the use of Hormones and similar products in meat products isn’t something that UK or other countries are likely to lower their standards
for.
Roger Merriman
On 5/8/2025 9:27 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/8/2025 3:47 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 07.05.2025 um 21:09 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Wed, 07 May 2025 15:36:55 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:
On Wed, 07 May 2025 12:43:45 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Wed, 7 May 2025 10:38:32 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/7/2025 9:44 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:56 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/26/2025 5:14 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the
tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever its a
moving
target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Jared Fisher is the CEO of Escape Adventures, a company
with several bike shops in Nevada that specializes in E-
bike sales and rentals.
In this article he discusses his take on the tariffs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/smallbusiness/i-m-a-
republican-ceo-i-m- adding-a-tariff-tax-to-my-price-
tags-
so-customers-know-why-prices-are- rising/ar-AA1EjCTR
Tagging the tariff surcharge seems like a smart business
move. It should reduce whining about profiteering, and
help
put the blame where it belongs.
I agree. And let's continue that thought:
https://hellocigarettes.com/2023/11/08/cigarette-
prices-and-taxes-by-state/
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/gasoline/factors-
affecting-gasoline-prices.php
There is a possibility that the foriegn seller might
have lowered the
price to absorb some of the tariff.
Almost impossible. Profit margins are very small,
and usually
come from the number of items sold. Massive numbers =
reasonable
profit.
I very much doubt the Chinese will pay the taxes.
They might
INCREASE prices to compensate for less items sold. But
the US is not a
big market if you look at the Global scene, so the
increase will be
slight.
PS The American consumer will pay 100% of Trump's
taxes. I
mean tariffs. Aff ... same thing.
[]'s
Might be true, but it might be necessary as a way to get
other
countries to bargan with their tariffs.
For some reason, the EU offer of "zero tariffs on all
manufacutred goods" has not led to further negotiation
rounds yet.
We can hope, unlikely though it may be.
I believe is some US/UK deal though probably mainly on cars which has been >> waiting post Brexit for some sort of deal, ie its not new just not been on >> either countries priorities, over last few years.
Maybe something regarding creative industries UK does a fair bit with films >> and so on.
Agriculture the use of Hormones and similar products in meat products isnt >> something that UK or other countries are likely to lower their standards
for.
Roger Merriman
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/concept-of-a-plan-trump-hypes-major-trade-deal-with-uk-experts-say-it-s-not/ar-AA1Epxd0?
On Thu, 8 May 2025 15:56:26 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de>
wrote:
Am 08.05.2025 um 11:11 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Thu, 8 May 2025 10:47:45 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de>
wrote:
Am 07.05.2025 um 21:09 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Wed, 07 May 2025 15:36:55 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:
On Wed, 07 May 2025 12:43:45 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Wed, 7 May 2025 10:38:32 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>
On 5/7/2025 9:44 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:56 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/26/2025 5:14 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the
tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it’s a moving >>>>>>>>>>> target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Jared Fisher is the CEO of Escape Adventures, a company
with several bike shops in Nevada that specializes in E-
bike sales and rentals.
In this article he discusses his take on the tariffs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/smallbusiness/i-m-a-
republican-ceo-i-m- adding-a-tariff-tax-to-my-price-tags-
so-customers-know-why-prices-are- rising/ar-AA1EjCTR
Tagging the tariff surcharge seems like a smart business
move. It should reduce whining about profiteering, and help
put the blame where it belongs.
I agree. And let's continue that thought:
https://hellocigarettes.com/2023/11/08/cigarette-prices-and-taxes-by-state/
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/gasoline/factors-affecting-gasoline-prices.php
There is a possibility that the foriegn seller might have lowered the >>>>>>> price to absorb some of the tariff.
Almost impossible. Profit margins are very small, and usually
come from the number of items sold. Massive numbers = reasonable
profit.
I very much doubt the Chinese will pay the taxes. They might
INCREASE prices to compensate for less items sold. But the US is not a >>>>>> big market if you look at the Global scene, so the increase will be >>>>>> slight.
PS The American consumer will pay 100% of Trump's taxes. I
mean tariffs. Aff ... same thing.
[]'s
Might be true, but it might be necessary as a way to get other
countries to bargan with their tariffs.
For some reason, the EU offer of "zero tariffs on all manufacutred
goods" has not led to further negotiation rounds yet.
Why not on all goods?
<https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-offers-trump-removal-of-all-tariffs>
Agricultural goods is politically a very hot potato, especially for France.
Yes, I know... and the USA has the capability to export more
agricultural products and would like to see those tariffs removed or
lowered.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On 5/8/2025 9:46 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2025 15:56:26 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de>
wrote:
Am 08.05.2025 um 11:11 schrieb Catrike Ryder:Yes, I know... and the USA has the capability to export more
On Thu, 8 May 2025 10:47:45 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> >>>> wrote:
Am 07.05.2025 um 21:09 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Wed, 07 May 2025 15:36:55 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:
On Wed, 07 May 2025 12:43:45 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Wed, 7 May 2025 10:38:32 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>
On 5/7/2025 9:44 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:56 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/26/2025 5:14 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the
tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever its a moving >>>>>>>>>>>> target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Jared Fisher is the CEO of Escape Adventures, a company
with several bike shops in Nevada that specializes in E- >>>>>>>>>>> bike sales and rentals.
In this article he discusses his take on the tariffs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/smallbusiness/i-m-a-
republican-ceo-i-m- adding-a-tariff-tax-to-my-price-tags- >>>>>>>>>>> so-customers-know-why-prices-are- rising/ar-AA1EjCTR
Tagging the tariff surcharge seems like a smart business
move. It should reduce whining about profiteering, and help >>>>>>>>>> put the blame where it belongs.
I agree. And let's continue that thought:
https://hellocigarettes.com/2023/11/08/cigarette-prices-and-taxes-by-state/
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/gasoline/factors-affecting-gasoline-prices.php
There is a possibility that the foriegn seller might have lowered the >>>>>>>> price to absorb some of the tariff.
Almost impossible. Profit margins are very small, and usually >>>>>>> come from the number of items sold. Massive numbers = reasonable >>>>>>> profit.
I very much doubt the Chinese will pay the taxes. They might >>>>>>> INCREASE prices to compensate for less items sold. But the US is not a >>>>>>> big market if you look at the Global scene, so the increase will be >>>>>>> slight.
PS The American consumer will pay 100% of Trump's taxes. I >>>>>>> mean tariffs. Aff ... same thing.
[]'s
Might be true, but it might be necessary as a way to get other
countries to bargan with their tariffs.
For some reason, the EU offer of "zero tariffs on all manufacutred
goods" has not led to further negotiation rounds yet.
Why not on all goods?
<https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-offers-trump-removal-of-all-tariffs> >>>
Agricultural goods is politically a very hot potato, especially for France. >>
agricultural products and would like to see those tariffs removed or
lowered.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Uh, yeah? So what?
Nearly every country wants to protect her agricultural
sector (= farmer votes). Trouble is, not every country can
expand exports while curtailing imports.
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/8/2025 12:07 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2025 12:04:20 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 5/8/2025 9:27 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/8/2025 3:47 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 07.05.2025 um 21:09 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Wed, 07 May 2025 15:36:55 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:
On Wed, 07 May 2025 12:43:45 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Wed, 7 May 2025 10:38:32 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/7/2025 9:44 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:56 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/26/2025 5:14 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever its a
moving
target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Jared Fisher is the CEO of Escape Adventures, a company >>>>>>>>>>>>> with several bike shops in Nevada that specializes in E- >>>>>>>>>>>>> bike sales and rentals.
In this article he discusses his take on the tariffs. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/smallbusiness/i-m-a- >>>>>>>>>>>>> republican-ceo-i-m- adding-a-tariff-tax-to-my-price- >>>>>>>>>>>>> tags-
so-customers-know-why-prices-are- rising/ar-AA1EjCTR
Tagging the tariff surcharge seems like a smart business >>>>>>>>>>>> move. It should reduce whining about profiteering, and >>>>>>>>>>>> help
put the blame where it belongs.
I agree. And let's continue that thought:
https://hellocigarettes.com/2023/11/08/cigarette-
prices-and-taxes-by-state/
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/gasoline/factors-
affecting-gasoline-prices.php
There is a possibility that the foriegn seller might
have lowered the
price to absorb some of the tariff.
Almost impossible. Profit margins are very small,
and usually
come from the number of items sold. Massive numbers =
reasonable
profit.
I very much doubt the Chinese will pay the taxes.
They might
INCREASE prices to compensate for less items sold. But
the US is not a
big market if you look at the Global scene, so the
increase will be
slight.
PS The American consumer will pay 100% of Trump's
taxes. I
mean tariffs. Aff ... same thing.
[]'s
Might be true, but it might be necessary as a way to get
other
countries to bargan with their tariffs.
For some reason, the EU offer of "zero tariffs on all
manufacutred goods" has not led to further negotiation
rounds yet.
We can hope, unlikely though it may be.
I believe is some US/UK deal though probably mainly on cars which has been
waiting post Brexit for some sort of deal, ie its not new just not been on
either countries priorities, over last few years.
Maybe something regarding creative industries UK does a fair bit with films
and so on.
Agriculture the use of Hormones and similar products in meat products isnt
something that UK or other countries are likely to lower their standards >>>>> for.
Roger Merriman
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/concept-of-a-plan-trump-hypes-major-trade-deal-with-uk-experts-say-it-s-not/ar-AA1Epxd0?
The stock market seems to have approved of it even if MSN and some
unnamed UK officials don't.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Today, you're right.
This movie has a lot of run time left and both could change-
in either direction- before it's over.
Its mostly the deal thats been around for years now, ie lower tariffs for >cars which were artificially high due to Brexit and awaiting a deal.
Uk has made agreements over Bioethanol but US beef will need to be to UK >standards so how much they actually sell remains to be seen!
At least thats my reading of the National Farming Unions, posts they have >made.
This was a deal just waiting to happen, aka low hanging fruit, China or
even the EU unlikely to get many concessions, didnt get much from the UK >despite both sides political fluff.
Roger Merriman
On Thu, 8 May 2025 12:04:20 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 5/8/2025 9:27 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/8/2025 3:47 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 07.05.2025 um 21:09 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Wed, 07 May 2025 15:36:55 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:
On Wed, 07 May 2025 12:43:45 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Wed, 7 May 2025 10:38:32 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/7/2025 9:44 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:56 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/26/2025 5:14 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the
tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it’s a
moving
target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Jared Fisher is the CEO of Escape Adventures, a company
with several bike shops in Nevada that specializes in E- >>>>>>>>>>> bike sales and rentals.
In this article he discusses his take on the tariffs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/smallbusiness/i-m-a-
republican-ceo-i-m- adding-a-tariff-tax-to-my-price-
tags-
so-customers-know-why-prices-are- rising/ar-AA1EjCTR
Tagging the tariff surcharge seems like a smart business
move. It should reduce whining about profiteering, and
help
put the blame where it belongs.
I agree. And let's continue that thought:
https://hellocigarettes.com/2023/11/08/cigarette-
prices-and-taxes-by-state/
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/gasoline/factors-
affecting-gasoline-prices.php
There is a possibility that the foriegn seller might
have lowered the
price to absorb some of the tariff.
Almost impossible. Profit margins are very small,
and usually
come from the number of items sold. Massive numbers =
reasonable
profit.
I very much doubt the Chinese will pay the taxes.
They might
INCREASE prices to compensate for less items sold. But
the US is not a
big market if you look at the Global scene, so the
increase will be
slight.
PS The American consumer will pay 100% of Trump's
taxes. I
mean tariffs. Aff ... same thing.
[]'s
Might be true, but it might be necessary as a way to get
other
countries to bargan with their tariffs.
For some reason, the EU offer of "zero tariffs on all
manufacutred goods" has not led to further negotiation
rounds yet.
We can hope, unlikely though it may be.
I believe is some US/UK deal though probably mainly on cars which has been >>> waiting post Brexit for some sort of deal, ie it’s not new just not been on
either countries priorities, over last few years.
Maybe something regarding creative industries UK does a fair bit with films >>> and so on.
Agriculture the use of Hormones and similar products in meat products isn’t
something that UK or other countries are likely to lower their standards >>> for.
Roger Merriman
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/concept-of-a-plan-trump-hypes-major-trade-deal-with-uk-experts-say-it-s-not/ar-AA1Epxd0?
The stock market seems to have approved of it even if MSN and some
unnamed UK officials don't.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On 5/8/2025 12:07 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2025 12:04:20 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 5/8/2025 9:27 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/8/2025 3:47 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 07.05.2025 um 21:09 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Wed, 07 May 2025 15:36:55 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:
On Wed, 07 May 2025 12:43:45 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Wed, 7 May 2025 10:38:32 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/7/2025 9:44 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:56 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/26/2025 5:14 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the
tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it’s a
moving
target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Jared Fisher is the CEO of Escape Adventures, a company >>>>>>>>>>>> with several bike shops in Nevada that specializes in E- >>>>>>>>>>>> bike sales and rentals.
In this article he discusses his take on the tariffs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/smallbusiness/i-m-a-
republican-ceo-i-m- adding-a-tariff-tax-to-my-price-
tags-
so-customers-know-why-prices-are- rising/ar-AA1EjCTR
Tagging the tariff surcharge seems like a smart business >>>>>>>>>>> move. It should reduce whining about profiteering, and
help
put the blame where it belongs.
I agree. And let's continue that thought:
https://hellocigarettes.com/2023/11/08/cigarette-
prices-and-taxes-by-state/
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/gasoline/factors-
affecting-gasoline-prices.php
There is a possibility that the foriegn seller might
have lowered the
price to absorb some of the tariff.
Almost impossible. Profit margins are very small,
and usually
come from the number of items sold. Massive numbers =
reasonable
profit.
I very much doubt the Chinese will pay the taxes.
They might
INCREASE prices to compensate for less items sold. But
the US is not a
big market if you look at the Global scene, so the
increase will be
slight.
PS The American consumer will pay 100% of Trump's
taxes. I
mean tariffs. Aff ... same thing.
[]'s
Might be true, but it might be necessary as a way to get
other
countries to bargan with their tariffs.
For some reason, the EU offer of "zero tariffs on all
manufacutred goods" has not led to further negotiation
rounds yet.
We can hope, unlikely though it may be.
I believe is some US/UK deal though probably mainly on cars which has been >>>> waiting post Brexit for some sort of deal, ie it’s not new just not been on
either countries priorities, over last few years.
Maybe something regarding creative industries UK does a fair bit with films
and so on.
Agriculture the use of Hormones and similar products in meat products isn’t
something that UK or other countries are likely to lower their standards >>>> for.
Roger Merriman
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/concept-of-a-plan-trump-hypes-major-trade-deal-with-uk-experts-say-it-s-not/ar-AA1Epxd0?
The stock market seems to have approved of it even if MSN and some
unnamed UK officials don't.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Today, you're right.
This movie has a lot of run time left and both could change-
in either direction- before it's over.
On Thu, 8 May 2025 12:21:14 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/8/2025 9:46 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2025 15:56:26 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de>
wrote:
Am 08.05.2025 um 11:11 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Thu, 8 May 2025 10:47:45 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> >>>>> wrote:
Am 07.05.2025 um 21:09 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Wed, 07 May 2025 15:36:55 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:
On Wed, 07 May 2025 12:43:45 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Wed, 7 May 2025 10:38:32 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>
On 5/7/2025 9:44 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:56 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/26/2025 5:14 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the
tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it’s a moving >>>>>>>>>>>>> target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Jared Fisher is the CEO of Escape Adventures, a company >>>>>>>>>>>> with several bike shops in Nevada that specializes in E- >>>>>>>>>>>> bike sales and rentals.
In this article he discusses his take on the tariffs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/smallbusiness/i-m-a-
republican-ceo-i-m- adding-a-tariff-tax-to-my-price-tags- >>>>>>>>>>>> so-customers-know-why-prices-are- rising/ar-AA1EjCTR
Tagging the tariff surcharge seems like a smart business >>>>>>>>>>> move. It should reduce whining about profiteering, and help >>>>>>>>>>> put the blame where it belongs.
I agree. And let's continue that thought:
https://hellocigarettes.com/2023/11/08/cigarette-prices-and-taxes-by-state/
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/gasoline/factors-affecting-gasoline-prices.php
There is a possibility that the foriegn seller might have lowered the >>>>>>>>> price to absorb some of the tariff.
Almost impossible. Profit margins are very small, and usually >>>>>>>> come from the number of items sold. Massive numbers = reasonable >>>>>>>> profit.
I very much doubt the Chinese will pay the taxes. They might >>>>>>>> INCREASE prices to compensate for less items sold. But the US is not a >>>>>>>> big market if you look at the Global scene, so the increase will be >>>>>>>> slight.
PS The American consumer will pay 100% of Trump's taxes. I >>>>>>>> mean tariffs. Aff ... same thing.
[]'s
Might be true, but it might be necessary as a way to get other
countries to bargan with their tariffs.
For some reason, the EU offer of "zero tariffs on all manufacutred >>>>>> goods" has not led to further negotiation rounds yet.
Why not on all goods?
<https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-offers-trump-removal-of-all-tariffs> >>>>
Agricultural goods is politically a very hot potato, especially for France.
Yes, I know... and the USA has the capability to export more
agricultural products and would like to see those tariffs removed or
lowered.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Uh, yeah? So what?
Nearly every country wants to protect her agricultural
sector (= farmer votes). Trouble is, not every country can
expand exports while curtailing imports.
Many of the USA's manufactured products have been moved out of the
country, so exporting more agricultural products is something the USA
could benefit from.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On 5/8/2025 12:47 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2025 12:21:14 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/8/2025 9:46 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2025 15:56:26 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> >>>> wrote:
Am 08.05.2025 um 11:11 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Thu, 8 May 2025 10:47:45 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> >>>>>> wrote:
Am 07.05.2025 um 21:09 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Wed, 07 May 2025 15:36:55 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:
On Wed, 07 May 2025 12:43:45 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Wed, 7 May 2025 10:38:32 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/7/2025 9:44 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:56 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/26/2025 5:14 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever its a moving >>>>>>>>>>>>>> target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Jared Fisher is the CEO of Escape Adventures, a company >>>>>>>>>>>>> with several bike shops in Nevada that specializes in E- >>>>>>>>>>>>> bike sales and rentals.
In this article he discusses his take on the tariffs. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/smallbusiness/i-m-a- >>>>>>>>>>>>> republican-ceo-i-m- adding-a-tariff-tax-to-my-price-tags- >>>>>>>>>>>>> so-customers-know-why-prices-are- rising/ar-AA1EjCTR
Tagging the tariff surcharge seems like a smart business >>>>>>>>>>>> move. It should reduce whining about profiteering, and help >>>>>>>>>>>> put the blame where it belongs.
I agree. And let's continue that thought:
https://hellocigarettes.com/2023/11/08/cigarette-prices-and-taxes-by-state/
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/gasoline/factors-affecting-gasoline-prices.php
There is a possibility that the foriegn seller might have lowered the
price to absorb some of the tariff.
Almost impossible. Profit margins are very small, and usually >>>>>>>>> come from the number of items sold. Massive numbers = reasonable >>>>>>>>> profit.
I very much doubt the Chinese will pay the taxes. They might >>>>>>>>> INCREASE prices to compensate for less items sold. But the US is not a
big market if you look at the Global scene, so the increase will be >>>>>>>>> slight.
PS The American consumer will pay 100% of Trump's taxes. I >>>>>>>>> mean tariffs. Aff ... same thing.
[]'s
Might be true, but it might be necessary as a way to get other >>>>>>>> countries to bargan with their tariffs.
For some reason, the EU offer of "zero tariffs on all manufacutred >>>>>>> goods" has not led to further negotiation rounds yet.
Why not on all goods?
<https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-offers-trump-removal-of-all-tariffs> >>>>>
Agricultural goods is politically a very hot potato, especially for France.
Yes, I know... and the USA has the capability to export more
agricultural products and would like to see those tariffs removed or
lowered.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Uh, yeah? So what?
Nearly every country wants to protect her agricultural
sector (= farmer votes). Trouble is, not every country can
expand exports while curtailing imports.
Many of the USA's manufactured products have been moved out of the
country, so exporting more agricultural products is something the USA
could benefit from.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I certainly agree that we could benefit.
But US farmers would love to fill china's demand for soy
just as much as Brasilian farmers want that business. With
various good and bad harvests in one year or another,
various policy changes in all 3 countries, plus currency
changes, the bulk of that trade shifts regularly. This is
not a simple problem.
On 8 May 2025 17:38:22 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/8/2025 12:07 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2025 12:04:20 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 5/8/2025 9:27 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/8/2025 3:47 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 07.05.2025 um 21:09 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Wed, 07 May 2025 15:36:55 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote: >>>>>>>>>
On Wed, 07 May 2025 12:43:45 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Wed, 7 May 2025 10:38:32 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/7/2025 9:44 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:56 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/26/2025 5:14 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:Tagging the tariff surcharge seems like a smart business >>>>>>>>>>>>> move. It should reduce whining about profiteering, and >>>>>>>>>>>>> help
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever its a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moving
target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Jared Fisher is the CEO of Escape Adventures, a company >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with several bike shops in Nevada that specializes in E- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bike sales and rentals.
In this article he discusses his take on the tariffs. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/smallbusiness/i-m-a- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> republican-ceo-i-m- adding-a-tariff-tax-to-my-price- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> tags-
so-customers-know-why-prices-are- rising/ar-AA1EjCTR >>>>>>>>>>>>>
put the blame where it belongs.
I agree. And let's continue that thought:
https://hellocigarettes.com/2023/11/08/cigarette-
prices-and-taxes-by-state/
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/gasoline/factors-
affecting-gasoline-prices.php
There is a possibility that the foriegn seller might
have lowered the
price to absorb some of the tariff.
Almost impossible. Profit margins are very small, >>>>>>>>>> and usually
come from the number of items sold. Massive numbers =
reasonable
profit.
I very much doubt the Chinese will pay the taxes.
They might
INCREASE prices to compensate for less items sold. But
the US is not a
big market if you look at the Global scene, so the
increase will be
slight.
PS The American consumer will pay 100% of Trump's
taxes. I
mean tariffs. Aff ... same thing.
[]'s
Might be true, but it might be necessary as a way to get
other
countries to bargan with their tariffs.
For some reason, the EU offer of "zero tariffs on all
manufacutred goods" has not led to further negotiation
rounds yet.
We can hope, unlikely though it may be.
I believe is some US/UK deal though probably mainly on cars which has been
waiting post Brexit for some sort of deal, ie its not new just not been on
either countries priorities, over last few years.
Maybe something regarding creative industries UK does a fair bit with films
and so on.
Agriculture the use of Hormones and similar products in meat products isnt
something that UK or other countries are likely to lower their standards >>>>>> for.
Roger Merriman
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/concept-of-a-plan-trump-hypes-major-trade-deal-with-uk-experts-say-it-s-not/ar-AA1Epxd0?
The stock market seems to have approved of it even if MSN and some
unnamed UK officials don't.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Today, you're right.
This movie has a lot of run time left and both could change-
in either direction- before it's over.
Its mostly the deal thats been around for years now, ie lower tariffs for
cars which were artificially high due to Brexit and awaiting a deal.
Uk has made agreements over Bioethanol but US beef will need to be to UK
standards so how much they actually sell remains to be seen!
At least thats my reading of the National Farming Unions, posts they have >> made.
This was a deal just waiting to happen, aka low hanging fruit, China or
even the EU unlikely to get many concessions, didnt get much from the UK >> despite both sides political fluff.
Roger Merriman
I don't think the UK meat standards will be a problem. We might be
having similar standards in the USA soon.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 8 May 2025 17:38:22 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/8/2025 12:07 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2025 12:04:20 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> >>>>> wrote:
On 5/8/2025 9:27 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/8/2025 3:47 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 07.05.2025 um 21:09 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Wed, 07 May 2025 15:36:55 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>
On Wed, 07 May 2025 12:43:45 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Wed, 7 May 2025 10:38:32 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/7/2025 9:44 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:56 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/26/2025 5:14 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:Tagging the tariff surcharge seems like a smart business >>>>>>>>>>>>>> move. It should reduce whining about profiteering, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> help
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it?s a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moving
target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Jared Fisher is the CEO of Escape Adventures, a company >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with several bike shops in Nevada that specializes in E- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bike sales and rentals.
In this article he discusses his take on the tariffs. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/smallbusiness/i-m-a- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> republican-ceo-i-m- adding-a-tariff-tax-to-my-price- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tags-
so-customers-know-why-prices-are- rising/ar-AA1EjCTR >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
put the blame where it belongs.
I agree. And let's continue that thought:
https://hellocigarettes.com/2023/11/08/cigarette-
prices-and-taxes-by-state/
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/gasoline/factors- >>>>>>>>>>>>> affecting-gasoline-prices.php
There is a possibility that the foriegn seller might
have lowered the
price to absorb some of the tariff.
Almost impossible. Profit margins are very small,
and usually
come from the number of items sold. Massive numbers =
reasonable
profit.
I very much doubt the Chinese will pay the taxes.
They might
INCREASE prices to compensate for less items sold. But
the US is not a
big market if you look at the Global scene, so the
increase will be
slight.
PS The American consumer will pay 100% of Trump's
taxes. I
mean tariffs. Aff ... same thing.
[]'s
Might be true, but it might be necessary as a way to get
other
countries to bargan with their tariffs.
For some reason, the EU offer of "zero tariffs on all
manufacutred goods" has not led to further negotiation
rounds yet.
We can hope, unlikely though it may be.
I believe is some US/UK deal though probably mainly on cars which has been
waiting post Brexit for some sort of deal, ie it?s not new just not been on
either countries priorities, over last few years.
Maybe something regarding creative industries UK does a fair bit with films
and so on.
Agriculture the use of Hormones and similar products in meat products isn?t
something that UK or other countries are likely to lower their standards
for.
Roger Merriman
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/concept-of-a-plan-trump-hypes-major-trade-deal-with-uk-experts-say-it-s-not/ar-AA1Epxd0?
The stock market seems to have approved of it even if MSN and some
unnamed UK officials don't.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Today, you're right.
This movie has a lot of run time left and both could change-
in either direction- before it's over.
It?s mostly the deal that?s been around for years now, ie lower tariffs for >>> cars which were artificially high due to Brexit and awaiting a deal.
Uk has made agreements over Bioethanol but US beef will need to be to UK >>> standards so how much they actually sell remains to be seen!
At least that?s my reading of the National Farming Unions, posts they have >>> made.
This was a deal just waiting to happen, aka low hanging fruit, China or
even the EU unlikely to get many concessions, didn?t get much from the UK >>> despite both sides political fluff.
Roger Merriman
I don't think the UK meat standards will be a problem. We might be
having similar standards in the USA soon.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
That would be wise as thats essentially the stumbling block for US meat >exports to Europe and Australia and New Zealand as fairly understandable
why would they accept meat of lower standards than the home market has to >provide?
But that would take time and money to do, so Id be cynical that it does >happen.
Roger Merriman
On 8 May 2025 20:35:51 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 8 May 2025 17:38:22 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/8/2025 12:07 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2025 12:04:20 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:
On 5/8/2025 9:27 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/8/2025 3:47 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 07.05.2025 um 21:09 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Wed, 07 May 2025 15:36:55 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>
On Wed, 07 May 2025 12:43:45 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Wed, 7 May 2025 10:38:32 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/7/2025 9:44 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:56 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/26/2025 5:14 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:Tagging the tariff surcharge seems like a smart business >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> move. It should reduce whining about profiteering, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> help
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it?s a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moving
target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Jared Fisher is the CEO of Escape Adventures, a company >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with several bike shops in Nevada that specializes in E- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bike sales and rentals.
In this article he discusses his take on the tariffs. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/smallbusiness/i-m-a- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> republican-ceo-i-m- adding-a-tariff-tax-to-my-price- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tags-
so-customers-know-why-prices-are- rising/ar-AA1EjCTR >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
put the blame where it belongs.
I agree. And let's continue that thought:
https://hellocigarettes.com/2023/11/08/cigarette-
prices-and-taxes-by-state/
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/gasoline/factors- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> affecting-gasoline-prices.php
There is a possibility that the foriegn seller might >>>>>>>>>>>>> have lowered the
price to absorb some of the tariff.
Almost impossible. Profit margins are very small, >>>>>>>>>>>> and usually
come from the number of items sold. Massive numbers =
reasonable
profit.
I very much doubt the Chinese will pay the taxes. >>>>>>>>>>>> They might
INCREASE prices to compensate for less items sold. But >>>>>>>>>>>> the US is not a
big market if you look at the Global scene, so the
increase will be
slight.
PS The American consumer will pay 100% of Trump's >>>>>>>>>>>> taxes. I
mean tariffs. Aff ... same thing.
[]'s
Might be true, but it might be necessary as a way to get >>>>>>>>>>> other
countries to bargan with their tariffs.
For some reason, the EU offer of "zero tariffs on all
manufacutred goods" has not led to further negotiation
rounds yet.
We can hope, unlikely though it may be.
I believe is some US/UK deal though probably mainly on cars which has been
waiting post Brexit for some sort of deal, ie it?s not new just not been on
either countries priorities, over last few years.
Maybe something regarding creative industries UK does a fair bit with films
and so on.
Agriculture the use of Hormones and similar products in meat products isn?t
something that UK or other countries are likely to lower their standards
for.
Roger Merriman
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/concept-of-a-plan-trump-hypes-major-trade-deal-with-uk-experts-say-it-s-not/ar-AA1Epxd0?
The stock market seems to have approved of it even if MSN and some >>>>>> unnamed UK officials don't.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Today, you're right.
This movie has a lot of run time left and both could change-
in either direction- before it's over.
It?s mostly the deal that?s been around for years now, ie lower tariffs for
cars which were artificially high due to Brexit and awaiting a deal.
Uk has made agreements over Bioethanol but US beef will need to be to UK >>>> standards so how much they actually sell remains to be seen!
At least that?s my reading of the National Farming Unions, posts they have >>>> made.
This was a deal just waiting to happen, aka low hanging fruit, China or >>>> even the EU unlikely to get many concessions, didn?t get much from the UK >>>> despite both sides political fluff.
Roger Merriman
I don't think the UK meat standards will be a problem. We might be
having similar standards in the USA soon.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
That would be wise as that’s essentially the stumbling block for US meat >> exports to Europe and Australia and New Zealand as fairly understandable
why would they accept meat of lower standards than the home market has to
provide?
But that would take time and money to do, so I’d be cynical that it does >> happen.
Roger Merriman
The issue, as I understand it that some US meat products have chemical additives. If selling to the UK is part of the reason that the
chemical additives are done away with, as they should be, I'm all for
it.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Am 07.05.2025 um 21:09 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Wed, 07 May 2025 15:36:55 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:
On Wed, 07 May 2025 12:43:45 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Wed, 7 May 2025 10:38:32 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/7/2025 9:44 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:56 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/26/2025 5:14 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the
tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever its a moving
target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Jared Fisher is the CEO of Escape Adventures, a company
with several bike shops in Nevada that specializes in E-
bike sales and rentals.
In this article he discusses his take on the tariffs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/smallbusiness/i-m-a-
republican-ceo-i-m- adding-a-tariff-tax-to-my-price-tags-
so-customers-know-why-prices-are- rising/ar-AA1EjCTR
Tagging the tariff surcharge seems like a smart business
move. It should reduce whining about profiteering, and help
put the blame where it belongs.
I agree. And let's continue that thought:
https://hellocigarettes.com/2023/11/08/cigarette-prices-and-taxes-by-state/
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/gasoline/factors-affecting-gasoline-prices.php
There is a possibility that the foriegn seller might have lowered the
price to absorb some of the tariff.
Almost impossible. Profit margins are very small, and usually
come from the number of items sold. Massive numbers = reasonable
profit.
I very much doubt the Chinese will pay the taxes. They might
INCREASE prices to compensate for less items sold. But the US is not a
big market if you look at the Global scene, so the increase will be
slight.
PS The American consumer will pay 100% of Trump's taxes. I
mean tariffs. Aff ... same thing.
[]'s
Might be true, but it might be necessary as a way to get other
countries to bargan with their tariffs.
For some reason, the EU offer of "zero tariffs on all manufacutred
goods" has not led to further negotiation rounds yet.
On Thu, 8 May 2025 10:47:45 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de>
wrote:
Am 07.05.2025 um 21:09 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Wed, 07 May 2025 15:36:55 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:
On Wed, 07 May 2025 12:43:45 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Wed, 7 May 2025 10:38:32 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>
On 5/7/2025 9:44 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:56 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/26/2025 5:14 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the
tariffs are effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it’s a moving
target so may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Jared Fisher is the CEO of Escape Adventures, a company
with several bike shops in Nevada that specializes in E-
bike sales and rentals.
In this article he discusses his take on the tariffs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/smallbusiness/i-m-a-
republican-ceo-i-m- adding-a-tariff-tax-to-my-price-tags-
so-customers-know-why-prices-are- rising/ar-AA1EjCTR
Tagging the tariff surcharge seems like a smart business
move. It should reduce whining about profiteering, and help
put the blame where it belongs.
I agree. And let's continue that thought:
https://hellocigarettes.com/2023/11/08/cigarette-prices-and-taxes-by-state/
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/gasoline/factors-affecting-gasoline-prices.php
There is a possibility that the foriegn seller might have lowered the >>>>> price to absorb some of the tariff.
Almost impossible. Profit margins are very small, and usually
come from the number of items sold. Massive numbers = reasonable
profit.
I very much doubt the Chinese will pay the taxes. They might
INCREASE prices to compensate for less items sold. But the US is not a >>>> big market if you look at the Global scene, so the increase will be
slight.
PS The American consumer will pay 100% of Trump's taxes. I
mean tariffs. Aff ... same thing.
[]'s
Might be true, but it might be necessary as a way to get other
countries to bargan with their tariffs.
For some reason, the EU offer of "zero tariffs on all manufacutred
goods" has not led to further negotiation rounds yet.
Dropping your pants and bending over is not "negotiating".
Rather it shows you are desperate enough to bankrupt your local
industry.
LOL
[]'s
On 5/7/2025 9:44 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/7/2025 7:56 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/26/2025 5:14 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
<https://youtu.be/VKz5J5PPt-Q?si=ntPrbZPhCguTIuQM>
Josh of Silca does a good job of explaining how the tariffs are
effecting
US companies certainly small ones, as ever it’s a moving target so
may well
change.
Roger Merriman
Jared Fisher is the CEO of Escape Adventures, a company with several
bike shops in Nevada that specializes in E- bike sales and rentals.
In this article he discusses his take on the tariffs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/smallbusiness/i-m-a- republican-ceo-
i-m- adding-a-tariff-tax-to-my-price-tags- so-customers-know-why-
prices-are- rising/ar-AA1EjCTR
Tagging the tariff surcharge seems like a smart business move. It
should reduce whining about profiteering, and help put the blame where
it belongs.
I agree. And let's continue that thought:
https://hellocigarettes.com/2023/11/08/cigarette-prices-and-taxes-by-state/
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/gasoline/factors-affecting-gasoline- prices.php
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 15:16:07 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/27/2025 2:39 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 14:06:50 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
Goes both ways.
Brasil is a highly efficient producer of sugar, which is
virtually impossible to import in to USA. For the past 120
years across every administration.
Brazil uses slave labour. Hard to compete with that
price-wise. The sugar cane industry has become an oligopoly. The "big
corps" rent land from farmers, sometimes refuse to pay what they
promised and when they give the land back nothing will grow on it.
Sugar cane depletes the land, rather like soy. In three years it's
sand.
There's a reason why the Chinese government will not allow
planting soy in most of China..... they plan thinking decades in the
future.
I heard that Australia's fully-automated sugar-cane farms are
far more efficient than Brazil's labour-heavy methods. Machines don't
have to feed their children or invest in bettering their education.
They're cheaper than slaves....
[]'s
WTF? And neither Dilma nor Lula nor anyone else interfered
with or even addressed slavery as a domestic political issue??
Presidents cannot make laws, if either Lula or Dilma tried to
they would be impeached in a heartbeat.. Slavery is illegal here. But
the justice system still from the far right 1964 US-Brazilian Military
coup era. Handed down father to son. It's extremely rare for someone "outside" to become a judge.
I don't think a slave master has ever been convicted to jail.
Fines or bribes, yes, happens all the time.
<https://www.cnj.jus.br/programas-e-acoes/trabalho-escravo-e-trafico-de-pessoas/trabalho-escravo/>
(the law and the fact that nothing is being done. That page is
an official one from our "justice" department)
15% of all our coffee is harvested by slaves. They haven't
invented machines that can do that automatically. Nestle, JAB and
Starbucks, the 3 biggest "players" just turn a blind eye.
Friboi (JBS S.A.)was recently fined for handcuffing workers in
the meat industry so they wouldn't run away. They charge more for food
than they pay in salaries, so the worker can never resign, not until
he pays his "debts". Justice pardoned them when they said that the
workers were "outsourced" and they had no idea it was happening. LOL.
And of course, there are no unions in the agricultural area,
so there is no-one to defend the slaves.
The mechanical industry has it much better. Low salaries, but
the unions insure the workers get pensions, medical care, sick pay,
accident insurance and holidays.
[]'s
On 5/11/2025 7:30 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun Apr 27 19:35:44 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 15:16:07 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/27/2025 2:39 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 14:06:50 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
Goes both ways.
Brasil is a highly efficient producer of sugar, which is
virtually impossible to import in to USA. For the
past 120
years across every administration.
Brazil uses slave labour. Hard to compete with that
price-wise. The sugar cane industry has become an
oligopoly. The "big
corps" rent land from farmers, sometimes refuse to pay
what they
promised and when they give the land back nothing will
grow on it.
Sugar cane depletes the land, rather like soy. In three
years it's
sand.
There's a reason why the Chinese government will
not allow
planting soy in most of China..... they plan thinking
decades in the
future.
I heard that Australia's fully-automated sugar-
cane farms are
far more efficient than Brazil's labour-heavy methods.
Machines don't
have to feed their children or invest in bettering
their education.
They're cheaper than slaves....
[]'s
WTF? And neither Dilma nor Lula nor anyone else interfered
with or even addressed slavery as a domestic political
issue??
Presidents cannot make laws, if either Lula or Dilma
tried to
they would be impeached in a heartbeat.. Slavery is
illegal here. But
the justice system still from the far right 1964 US-
Brazilian Military
coup era. Handed down father to son. It's extremely rare
for someone
"outside" to become a judge.
I don't think a slave master has ever been convicted
to jail.
Fines or bribes, yes, happens all the time.
<https://www.cnj.jus.br/programas-e-acoes/trabalho-
escravo-e-trafico-de-pessoas/trabalho-escravo/>
(the law and the fact that nothing is being done.
That page is
an official one from our "justice" department)
15% of all our coffee is harvested by slaves. They
haven't
invented machines that can do that automatically. Nestle,
JAB and
Starbucks, the 3 biggest "players" just turn a blind eye.
Friboi (JBS S.A.)was recently fined for handcuffing
workers in
the meat industry so they wouldn't run away. They charge
more for food
than they pay in salaries, so the worker can never
resign, not until
he pays his "debts". Justice pardoned them when they said
that the
workers were "outsourced" and they had no idea it was
happening. LOL.
And of course, there are no unions in the
agricultural area,
so there is no-one to defend the slaves.
The mechanical industry has it much better. Low
salaries, but
the unions insure the workers get pensions, medical
care, sick pay,
accident insurance and holidays.
[]'s
You seem to be using "right" and "left" opposite than we
do here. Abraham Lincoln caused the civil war to END
slavery and he was a Republican. The left, "Democrats"
were the slaveholders
Operative word - "was". The slave states were dominated by
the democrat party up until the passage of the Civil Rights
Act. Now the slave states are dominated by republicans. If
you're going to attempt to give a non-American a lesson in
American history, you'd do well to not lie by omissions.
On 5/12/2025 4:44 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 5/11/2025 7:30 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun Apr 27 19:35:44 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 15:16:07 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>
On 4/27/2025 2:39 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 14:06:50 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
wrote:
Goes both ways.
Brasil is a highly efficient producer of sugar, which is
virtually impossible to import in to USA. For the past 120
years across every administration.
Brazil uses slave labour. Hard to compete with that
price-wise. The sugar cane industry has become an oligopoly. The "big >>>>>> corps" rent land from farmers, sometimes refuse to pay what they
promised and when they give the land back nothing will grow on it. >>>>>> Sugar cane depletes the land, rather like soy. In three years it's >>>>>> sand.
There's a reason why the Chinese government will not allow >>>>>> planting soy in most of China..... they plan thinking decades in the >>>>>> future.
I heard that Australia's fully-automated sugar- cane farms are >>>>>> far more efficient than Brazil's labour-heavy methods. Machines don't >>>>>> have to feed their children or invest in bettering their education. >>>>>> They're cheaper than slaves....
[]'s
WTF? And neither Dilma nor Lula nor anyone else interfered
with or even addressed slavery as a domestic political issue??
Presidents cannot make laws, if either Lula or Dilma tried to
they would be impeached in a heartbeat.. Slavery is illegal here. But
the justice system still from the far right 1964 US- Brazilian Military >>>> coup era. Handed down father to son. It's extremely rare for someone
"outside" to become a judge.
I don't think a slave master has ever been convicted to jail.
Fines or bribes, yes, happens all the time.
<https://www.cnj.jus.br/programas-e-acoes/trabalho- escravo-e-
trafico-de-pessoas/trabalho-escravo/>
(the law and the fact that nothing is being done. That page is >>>> an official one from our "justice" department)
15% of all our coffee is harvested by slaves. They haven't
invented machines that can do that automatically. Nestle, JAB and
Starbucks, the 3 biggest "players" just turn a blind eye.
Friboi (JBS S.A.)was recently fined for handcuffing workers in >>>> the meat industry so they wouldn't run away. They charge more for food >>>> than they pay in salaries, so the worker can never resign, not until
he pays his "debts". Justice pardoned them when they said that the
workers were "outsourced" and they had no idea it was happening. LOL.
And of course, there are no unions in the agricultural area,
so there is no-one to defend the slaves.
The mechanical industry has it much better. Low salaries, but
the unions insure the workers get pensions, medical care, sick pay,
accident insurance and holidays.
[]'s
You seem to be using "right" and "left" opposite than we do here.
Abraham Lincoln caused the civil war to END slavery and he was a
Republican. The left, "Democrats" were the slaveholders
Operative word - "was". The slave states were dominated by the
democrat party up until the passage of the Civil Rights Act. Now the
slave states are dominated by republicans. If you're going to attempt
to give a non-American a lesson in American history, you'd do well to
not lie by omissions.
Complex thought, that.
The major civil rights legislation of the late 1950s through 1960s was
driven by Republicans in Congress, notably Mr Dirksen, despite an epic Democrat Party filibuster and other impedimenta. There were powerful passionate Members on both sides in both parties, although decisively
more Republicans to secure passage.
On 5/12/2025 8:55 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/12/2025 4:44 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 5/11/2025 7:30 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun Apr 27 19:35:44 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 15:16:07 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/27/2025 2:39 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 14:06:50 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
Goes both ways.
Brasil is a highly efficient producer of sugar,
which is
virtually impossible to import in to USA. For the
past 120
years across every administration.
Brazil uses slave labour. Hard to compete with that
price-wise. The sugar cane industry has become an
oligopoly. The "big
corps" rent land from farmers, sometimes refuse to
pay what they
promised and when they give the land back nothing
will grow on it.
Sugar cane depletes the land, rather like soy. In
three years it's
sand.
There's a reason why the Chinese government will
not allow
planting soy in most of China..... they plan thinking
decades in the
future.
I heard that Australia's fully-automated sugar-
cane farms are
far more efficient than Brazil's labour-heavy
methods. Machines don't
have to feed their children or invest in bettering
their education.
They're cheaper than slaves....
[]'s
WTF? And neither Dilma nor Lula nor anyone else
interfered
with or even addressed slavery as a domestic political
issue??
Presidents cannot make laws, if either Lula or
Dilma tried to
they would be impeached in a heartbeat.. Slavery is
illegal here. But
the justice system still from the far right 1964 US-
Brazilian Military
coup era. Handed down father to son. It's extremely
rare for someone
"outside" to become a judge.
I don't think a slave master has ever been
convicted to jail.
Fines or bribes, yes, happens all the time.
<https://www.cnj.jus.br/programas-e-acoes/trabalho-
escravo-e- trafico-de-pessoas/trabalho-escravo/>
(the law and the fact that nothing is being done.
That page is
an official one from our "justice" department)
15% of all our coffee is harvested by slaves. They
haven't
invented machines that can do that automatically.
Nestle, JAB and
Starbucks, the 3 biggest "players" just turn a blind eye.
Friboi (JBS S.A.)was recently fined for handcuffing
workers in
the meat industry so they wouldn't run away. They
charge more for food
than they pay in salaries, so the worker can never
resign, not until
he pays his "debts". Justice pardoned them when they
said that the
workers were "outsourced" and they had no idea it was
happening. LOL.
And of course, there are no unions in the
agricultural area,
so there is no-one to defend the slaves.
The mechanical industry has it much better. Low
salaries, but
the unions insure the workers get pensions, medical
care, sick pay,
accident insurance and holidays.
[]'s
You seem to be using "right" and "left" opposite than we
do here. Abraham Lincoln caused the civil war to END
slavery and he was a Republican. The left, "Democrats"
were the slaveholders
Operative word - "was". The slave states were dominated
by the democrat party up until the passage of the Civil
Rights Act. Now the slave states are dominated by
republicans. If you're going to attempt to give a non-
American a lesson in American history, you'd do well to
not lie by omissions.
Complex thought, that.
The major civil rights legislation of the late 1950s
through 1960s was driven by Republicans in Congress,
notably Mr Dirksen, despite an epic Democrat Party
filibuster and other impedimenta. There were powerful
passionate Members on both sides in both parties, although
decisively more Republicans to secure passage.
Right, and in those days republicans were the dominant party
in the former non-slave states. The roles of the democrat
and republican parties have largely reversed between the end
of the civil war and the passage of the civil rights act.
Claiming "Lincoln caused the civil war to END slavery and he
was a Republican. The left, "Democrats" were the
slaveholders" leaves a lot of the conversation.
On 5/12/2025 10:20 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 5/12/2025 8:55 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/12/2025 4:44 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 5/11/2025 7:30 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun Apr 27 19:35:44 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 15:16:07 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
wrote:
On 4/27/2025 2:39 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 14:06:50 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> >>>>>>>> wrote:
Goes both ways.
Brasil is a highly efficient producer of sugar, which is
virtually impossible to import in to USA. For the past 120 >>>>>>>>> years across every administration.
Brazil uses slave labour. Hard to compete with that
price-wise. The sugar cane industry has become an oligopoly. The >>>>>>>> "big
corps" rent land from farmers, sometimes refuse to pay what they >>>>>>>> promised and when they give the land back nothing will grow on it. >>>>>>>> Sugar cane depletes the land, rather like soy. In three years it's >>>>>>>> sand.
There's a reason why the Chinese government will not allow >>>>>>>> planting soy in most of China..... they plan thinking decades in >>>>>>>> the
future.
I heard that Australia's fully-automated sugar- cane farms are
far more efficient than Brazil's labour-heavy methods. Machines >>>>>>>> don't
have to feed their children or invest in bettering their education. >>>>>>>> They're cheaper than slaves....
[]'s
WTF? And neither Dilma nor Lula nor anyone else interfered
with or even addressed slavery as a domestic political issue??
Presidents cannot make laws, if either Lula or Dilma tried to >>>>>> they would be impeached in a heartbeat.. Slavery is illegal here. But >>>>>> the justice system still from the far right 1964 US- Brazilian
Military
coup era. Handed down father to son. It's extremely rare for someone >>>>>> "outside" to become a judge.
I don't think a slave master has ever been convicted to jail. >>>>>> Fines or bribes, yes, happens all the time.
<https://www.cnj.jus.br/programas-e-acoes/trabalho- escravo-e-
trafico-de-pessoas/trabalho-escravo/>
(the law and the fact that nothing is being done. That page is >>>>>> an official one from our "justice" department)
15% of all our coffee is harvested by slaves. They haven't >>>>>> invented machines that can do that automatically. Nestle, JAB and
Starbucks, the 3 biggest "players" just turn a blind eye.
Friboi (JBS S.A.)was recently fined for handcuffing workers in >>>>>> the meat industry so they wouldn't run away. They charge more for
food
than they pay in salaries, so the worker can never resign, not until >>>>>> he pays his "debts". Justice pardoned them when they said that the >>>>>> workers were "outsourced" and they had no idea it was happening. LOL. >>>>>>
And of course, there are no unions in the agricultural area, >>>>>> so there is no-one to defend the slaves.
The mechanical industry has it much better. Low salaries, but >>>>>> the unions insure the workers get pensions, medical care, sick pay, >>>>>> accident insurance and holidays.
[]'s
You seem to be using "right" and "left" opposite than we do here.
Abraham Lincoln caused the civil war to END slavery and he was a
Republican. The left, "Democrats" were the slaveholders
Operative word - "was". The slave states were dominated by the
democrat party up until the passage of the Civil Rights Act. Now the
slave states are dominated by republicans. If you're going to
attempt to give a non- American a lesson in American history, you'd
do well to not lie by omissions.
Complex thought, that.
The major civil rights legislation of the late 1950s through 1960s
was driven by Republicans in Congress, notably Mr Dirksen, despite an
epic Democrat Party filibuster and other impedimenta. There were
powerful passionate Members on both sides in both parties, although
decisively more Republicans to secure passage.
Right, and in those days republicans were the dominant party in the
former non-slave states. The roles of the democrat and republican
parties have largely reversed between the end of the civil war and the
passage of the civil rights act. Claiming "Lincoln caused the civil
war to END slavery and he was a Republican. The left, "Democrats" were
the slaveholders" leaves a lot of the conversation.
Not really. Democrats, as is typical, lost seats in 1962 but not in the solidly Dixiecrat South. Check the map:
https://united-states-government-simulation.fandom.com/ wiki/1962_United_States_Senate_Elections
On 5/12/2025 12:22 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/12/2025 10:20 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 5/12/2025 8:55 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/12/2025 4:44 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 5/11/2025 7:30 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun Apr 27 19:35:44 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 15:16:07 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/27/2025 2:39 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 14:06:50 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
Goes both ways.
Brasil is a highly efficient producer of sugar,
which is
virtually impossible to import in to USA. For the
past 120
years across every administration.
Brazil uses slave labour. Hard to compete with
that
price-wise. The sugar cane industry has become an
oligopoly. The "big
corps" rent land from farmers, sometimes refuse to
pay what they
promised and when they give the land back nothing
will grow on it.
Sugar cane depletes the land, rather like soy. In
three years it's
sand.
There's a reason why the Chinese government
will not allow
planting soy in most of China..... they plan
thinking decades in the
future.
I heard that Australia's fully-automated
sugar- cane farms are
far more efficient than Brazil's labour-heavy
methods. Machines don't
have to feed their children or invest in bettering
their education.
They're cheaper than slaves....
[]'s
WTF? And neither Dilma nor Lula nor anyone else
interfered
with or even addressed slavery as a domestic
political issue??
Presidents cannot make laws, if either Lula or
Dilma tried to
they would be impeached in a heartbeat.. Slavery is
illegal here. But
the justice system still from the far right 1964 US-
Brazilian Military
coup era. Handed down father to son. It's extremely
rare for someone
"outside" to become a judge.
I don't think a slave master has ever been
convicted to jail.
Fines or bribes, yes, happens all the time.
<https://www.cnj.jus.br/programas-e-acoes/trabalho-
escravo-e- trafico-de-pessoas/trabalho-escravo/>
(the law and the fact that nothing is being done.
That page is
an official one from our "justice" department)
15% of all our coffee is harvested by slaves.
They haven't
invented machines that can do that automatically.
Nestle, JAB and
Starbucks, the 3 biggest "players" just turn a blind
eye.
Friboi (JBS S.A.)was recently fined for
handcuffing workers in
the meat industry so they wouldn't run away. They
charge more for food
than they pay in salaries, so the worker can never
resign, not until
he pays his "debts". Justice pardoned them when they
said that the
workers were "outsourced" and they had no idea it was
happening. LOL.
And of course, there are no unions in the
agricultural area,
so there is no-one to defend the slaves.
The mechanical industry has it much better. Low
salaries, but
the unions insure the workers get pensions, medical
care, sick pay,
accident insurance and holidays.
[]'s
You seem to be using "right" and "left" opposite than
we do here. Abraham Lincoln caused the civil war to
END slavery and he was a Republican. The left,
"Democrats" were the slaveholders
Operative word - "was". The slave states were dominated
by the democrat party up until the passage of the Civil
Rights Act. Now the slave states are dominated by
republicans. If you're going to attempt to give a non-
American a lesson in American history, you'd do well to
not lie by omissions.
Complex thought, that.
The major civil rights legislation of the late 1950s
through 1960s was driven by Republicans in Congress,
notably Mr Dirksen, despite an epic Democrat Party
filibuster and other impedimenta. There were powerful
passionate Members on both sides in both parties,
although decisively more Republicans to secure passage.
Right, and in those days republicans were the dominant
party in the former non-slave states. The roles of the
democrat and republican parties have largely reversed
between the end of the civil war and the passage of the
civil rights act. Claiming "Lincoln caused the civil war
to END slavery and he was a Republican. The left,
"Democrats" were the slaveholders" leaves a lot of the
conversation.
Not really. Democrats, as is typical, lost seats in 1962
but not in the solidly Dixiecrat South. Check the map:
https://united-states-government-simulation.fandom.com/
wiki/1962_United_States_Senate_Elections
You're quibbling over the timeline. The Kennedy/Johnson
embracing of the 1964 civil rights act set the transition in
motion.
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