https://www.renehersecycles.com/driving-an-analog-car-in-a-digital-world/
Although I'm disposed toward Subaru among modern autos, his
1992 is in no way 'analog'.
Electronic not adjustable voltage regulator, electronic
ignition with computer real time monitoring/adjustment
rather than adjustable mechanical-actuated points,
electronic fuel injectors rather than carburetors.
He did dump the slushbox for an actual gearbox, which is nice.
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
https://www.renehersecycles.com/driving-an-analog-car-in-a-digital-world/
Although I'm disposed toward Subaru among modern autos, his
1992 is in no way 'analog'.
Electronic not adjustable voltage regulator, electronic
ignition with computer real time monitoring/adjustment
rather than adjustable mechanical-actuated points,
electronic fuel injectors rather than carburetors.
Be easier to live with for that reason, ie don’t need to replace points but a black box every few decades or so.
I think his the generation before the boy racers noticed, before that was more common to see them out in the country, covered in mud generally,
fairly handy off road from memory.
He did dump the slushbox for an actual gearbox, which is nice.
Autos are definitely variable, one work car auto box was painfully sluggish be that to engage pulling out from a junction or just change gear, not
helped by a relatively small for the cars size diesel engine.
My old Volvo which is 20 something years old, auto box is while not direct doesn’t hesitate or so on, and is helped by a reasonably for the type of car it is pokey engine so doesn’t need the auto box to shift much as it will pull comfortably in gear and so on.
I agree his car isn’t analog though your not interfacing with any computers ie no info entertainment systems and so on, which possibly what he’s getting at?
Roger Merriman
https://www.renehersecycles.com/driving-an-analog-car-in-a-digital-world/
Although I'm disposed toward Subaru among modern autos, his
1992 is in no way 'analog'.
Electronic not adjustable voltage regulator, electronic
ignition with computer real time monitoring/adjustment
rather than adjustable mechanical-actuated points,
electronic fuel injectors rather than carburetors.
He did dump the slushbox for an actual gearbox, which is nice.
On 4/27/2025 11:38 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
https://www.renehersecycles.com/driving-an-analog-car-in-a-digital-
world/
Although I'm disposed toward Subaru among modern autos, his
1992 is in no way 'analog'.
Electronic not adjustable voltage regulator, electronic
ignition with computer real time monitoring/adjustment
rather than adjustable mechanical-actuated points,
electronic fuel injectors rather than carburetors.
Be easier to live with for that reason, ie don’t need to replace
points but
a black box every few decades or so.
I think his the generation before the boy racers noticed, before that was
more common to see them out in the country, covered in mud generally,
fairly handy off road from memory.
He did dump the slushbox for an actual gearbox, which is nice.
Autos are definitely variable, one work car auto box was painfully
sluggish
be that to engage pulling out from a junction or just change gear, not
helped by a relatively small for the cars size diesel engine.
My old Volvo which is 20 something years old, auto box is while not
direct
doesn’t hesitate or so on, and is helped by a reasonably for the type of >> car it is pokey engine so doesn’t need the auto box to shift much as it
will pull comfortably in gear and so on.
I agree his car isn’t analog though your not interfacing with any
computers
ie no info entertainment systems and so on, which possibly what he’s
getting at?
Roger Merriman
My pushbutton AM radio has some big (the size of twopence) transistors
so I'm not 100% analog either. I have owned cars with tube radios- OK
but slow warmup.
On 4/27/2025 2:20 PM, AMuzi wrote:
My pushbutton AM radio has some big (the size of twopence)
transistors so I'm not 100% analog either. I have owned
cars with tube radios- OK but slow warmup.
"The size of twopence" is a quirky and obscure metric! It
reminds me of weather reporters' description of hail pellet
sizes: "pea sized, nickel sized, golf ball sized..."
It almost makes me wish we'd invented "inches" and
"millimeters."
On 4/27/2025 8:20 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/27/2025 2:20 PM, AMuzi wrote:That was specifically for Mr Merriman
My pushbutton AM radio has some big (the size of twopence)
transistors so I'm not 100% analog either. I have owned
cars with tube radios- OK but slow warmup.
"The size of twopence" is a quirky and obscure metric! It
reminds me of weather reporters' description of hail pellet
sizes: "pea sized, nickel sized, golf ball sized..."
It almost makes me wish we'd invented "inches" and
"millimeters."
On 4/27/2025 2:32 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 09:47:23 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
He did dump the slushbox for an actual gearbox, which is nice.
Yep. I looked around for a stick shift model. Except for my first
car, all have been stick shifts. Driving an automatic makes me feel
like I'm the passenger instead of the driver. With a stick shift, I'm
part of the machine. If I live long enough to need a new car, it will
probably be another stick shift.
I got in a conversation with a Tesla owner last week. He proudly showed
me a video shot from his driver's seat showing the car self-driving from
his garage to a coffee shop. The ultimate non-driving experience!
I've never owned a car with automatic transmission. Of course, my
current EV has only one fixed ratio reduction gear, so I've moved beyond playing with multiple ratios. Just step on the gas ... no, throttle ...
no, accelerator, and it goes.
Half of my bikes are friction shifting, which is a vaguely similar issue
for discussion.
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/27/2025 2:32 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 09:47:23 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
He did dump the slushbox for an actual gearbox, which is nice.
Yep. I looked around for a stick shift model. Except for my first
car, all have been stick shifts. Driving an automatic makes me feel
like I'm the passenger instead of the driver. With a stick shift, I'm
part of the machine. If I live long enough to need a new car, it will
probably be another stick shift.
I got in a conversation with a Tesla owner last week. He proudly showed
me a video shot from his driver's seat showing the car self-driving from
his garage to a coffee shop. The ultimate non-driving experience!
Arguably Teslas are very much the IT company idea of car, folks who want to >experience driving arent likely to be their customers, lane assist seems
to help on motorways and similar.
Im unconvinced that self driving will fully get there Im told that Tesla >isnt the best in this category.
Id say that be more fixed bikes which are more into feel the force Luke
I've never owned a car with automatic transmission. Of course, my
current EV has only one fixed ratio reduction gear, so I've moved beyond
playing with multiple ratios. Just step on the gas ... no, throttle ...
no, accelerator, and it goes.
Half of my bikes are friction shifting, which is a vaguely similar issue
for discussion.
in that they do feel very different and connected, vs index or fixed >shifting.
Roger Merriman
On 28 Apr 2025 08:57:30 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/27/2025 2:32 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 09:47:23 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>
He did dump the slushbox for an actual gearbox, which is nice.
Yep. I looked around for a stick shift model. Except for my first
car, all have been stick shifts. Driving an automatic makes me feel
like I'm the passenger instead of the driver. With a stick shift, I'm >>>> part of the machine. If I live long enough to need a new car, it will >>>> probably be another stick shift.
I got in a conversation with a Tesla owner last week. He proudly showed
me a video shot from his driver's seat showing the car self-driving from >>> his garage to a coffee shop. The ultimate non-driving experience!
Arguably Teslas are very much the IT company idea of car, folks who want to >> experience driving arent likely to be their customers, lane assist seems >> to help on motorways and similar.
Im unconvinced that self driving will fully get there Im told that Tesla >> isnt the best in this category.
Id say that be more fixed bikes which are more into feel the force Luke
I've never owned a car with automatic transmission. Of course, my
current EV has only one fixed ratio reduction gear, so I've moved beyond >>> playing with multiple ratios. Just step on the gas ... no, throttle ...
no, accelerator, and it goes.
Half of my bikes are friction shifting, which is a vaguely similar issue >>> for discussion.
in that they do feel very different and connected, vs index or fixed
shifting.
Roger Merriman
Perhaps the clutch and stick shifts are better for noisy acceleration
with squealing tires, but I outgrew that long ago. On the other hand,
for driving in heavy stop and go traffic I favor the automatic
transmission. As for preference, it's not a factor my wife and I would
even contemplate when buying a vehicle since we both are comfortable
with either one.
As for shifting on a bicycle, it's strictly personal preference and
not worth discussing.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 28 Apr 2025 08:57:30 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/27/2025 2:32 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 09:47:23 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>
He did dump the slushbox for an actual gearbox, which is nice.
Yep. I looked around for a stick shift model. Except for my first
car, all have been stick shifts. Driving an automatic makes me feel >>>>> like I'm the passenger instead of the driver. With a stick shift, I'm >>>>> part of the machine. If I live long enough to need a new car, it will >>>>> probably be another stick shift.
I got in a conversation with a Tesla owner last week. He proudly showed >>>> me a video shot from his driver's seat showing the car self-driving from >>>> his garage to a coffee shop. The ultimate non-driving experience!
Arguably Teslas are very much the IT company idea of car, folks who want to >>> experience driving aren?t likely to be their customers, lane assist seems >>> to help on motorways and similar.
I?m unconvinced that self driving will fully get there I?m told that Tesla >>> isn?t the best in this category.
I?d say that be more fixed bikes which are more into ?feel the force Luke? >>> in that they do feel very different and connected, vs index or fixed
I've never owned a car with automatic transmission. Of course, my
current EV has only one fixed ratio reduction gear, so I've moved beyond >>>> playing with multiple ratios. Just step on the gas ... no, throttle ... >>>> no, accelerator, and it goes.
Half of my bikes are friction shifting, which is a vaguely similar issue >>>> for discussion.
shifting.
Roger Merriman
Perhaps the clutch and stick shifts are better for noisy acceleration
with squealing tires, but I outgrew that long ago. On the other hand,
for driving in heavy stop and go traffic I favor the automatic
transmission. As for preference, it's not a factor my wife and I would
even contemplate when buying a vehicle since we both are comfortable
with either one.
For my uses though my car is an automatic, which arent that common in the >uk, but does make for an easy comfortable car, which is kinda of its
purpose.
Id say a EV is likely to be the easiest in stop start traffic, as doesnt >need to shift.
I marginally would like a manual for more engine braking when in Wales as >they do steep, but the Volvos have much more impressive brakes than cars or >old so seems to be non issue.
Related the gorge I grew up in, used to see lorries in the sand pit often
on fire as they had cooked the brakes, doesnt seem to be a thing now.
I disagree this being a bike tech group well worth discussion even if it is >just preference.
As for shifting on a bicycle, it's strictly personal preference and
not worth discussing.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
On 4/27/2025 2:32 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 09:47:23 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
He did dump the slushbox for an actual gearbox, which is nice.
Yep. I looked around for a stick shift model. Except for my first
car, all have been stick shifts. Driving an automatic makes me feel
like I'm the passenger instead of the driver. With a stick shift, I'm
part of the machine. If I live long enough to need a new car, it will
probably be another stick shift.
I got in a conversation with a Tesla owner last week. He proudly showed
me a video shot from his driver's seat showing the car self-driving from
his garage to a coffee shop. The ultimate non-driving experience!
I've never owned a car with automatic transmission. Of course, my
current EV has only one fixed ratio reduction gear, so I've moved beyond playing with multiple ratios. Just step on the gas ... no, throttle ...
no, accelerator, and it goes.
Half of my bikes are friction shifting, which is a vaguely similar issue
for discussion.
On 4/27/2025 9:26 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/27/2025 2:32 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 09:47:23 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
He did dump the slushbox for an actual gearbox, which is nice.
Yep. I looked around for a stick shift model. Except for my first
car, all have been stick shifts. Driving an automatic makes me feel
like I'm the passenger instead of the driver. With a stick shift, I'm
part of the machine. If I live long enough to need a new car, it will
probably be another stick shift.
I got in a conversation with a Tesla owner last week. He proudly showed
me a video shot from his driver's seat showing the car self-driving from
his garage to a coffee shop. The ultimate non-driving experience!
I've never owned a car with automatic transmission. Of course, my
current EV has only one fixed ratio reduction gear, so I've moved beyond
playing with multiple ratios. Just step on the gas ... no, throttle ...
no, accelerator, and it goes.
Can you call it "stepping on the gas" in an EV?
Half of my bikes are friction shifting, which is a vaguely similar issue
for discussion.
On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 14:02:28 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 4/27/2025 9:26 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/27/2025 2:32 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 09:47:23 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>
He did dump the slushbox for an actual gearbox, which is nice.
Yep. I looked around for a stick shift model. Except for my first
car, all have been stick shifts. Driving an automatic makes me feel
like I'm the passenger instead of the driver. With a stick shift, I'm >>>> part of the machine. If I live long enough to need a new car, it will >>>> probably be another stick shift.
I got in a conversation with a Tesla owner last week. He proudly showed
me a video shot from his driver's seat showing the car self-driving from >>> his garage to a coffee shop. The ultimate non-driving experience!
I've never owned a car with automatic transmission. Of course, my
current EV has only one fixed ratio reduction gear, so I've moved beyond >>> playing with multiple ratios. Just step on the gas ... no, throttle ...
no, accelerator, and it goes.
Can you call it "stepping on the gas" in an EV?
"What phrase will replace "step on the gas!" once vehicles are all
electric?" <https://www.quora.com/What-phrase-will-replace-step-on-the-gas-once-vehicles-are-all-electric>
"Step on the accelerator" seems to be the consensus, although "step on
the rotary encoder" would be more technically correct.
Model S <https://service.tesla.com/docs/ModelS/ServiceManual/Palladium/en-us/GUID-45B8060C-F262-452F-9694-CFB7C87F33EC.html>
Model Y <https://service.tesla.com/docs/ModelY/ServiceManual/en-us/GUID-8E18B453-7EBF-417C-B0C2-BC2CDAA2A1C1.html>
Marginally better photos:
<https://www.ebay.com/itm/144674953544>
It looks like a rotary encoder, but I'm not certain.
Half of my bikes are friction shifting, which is a vaguely similar issue >>> for discussion.
On 4/27/2025 2:32 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 09:47:23 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
He did dump the slushbox for an actual gearbox, which is nice.
Yep. I looked around for a stick shift model. Except for my first
car, all have been stick shifts. Driving an automatic makes me feel
like I'm the passenger instead of the driver. With a stick shift, I'm
part of the machine. If I live long enough to need a new car, it will
probably be another stick shift.
I got in a conversation with a Tesla owner last week. He proudly showed
me a video shot from his driver's seat showing the car self-driving from
his garage to a coffee shop. The ultimate non-driving experience!
I've never owned a car with automatic transmission. Of course, my
current EV has only one fixed ratio reduction gear, so I've moved beyond >playing with multiple ratios. Just step on the gas ... no, throttle ...
no, accelerator, and it goes.
Half of my bikes are friction shifting, which is a vaguely similar issue
for discussion.
On 28 Apr 2025 16:47:54 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 28 Apr 2025 08:57:30 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/27/2025 2:32 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 09:47:23 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>
He did dump the slushbox for an actual gearbox, which is nice.
Yep. I looked around for a stick shift model. Except for my first >>>>>> car, all have been stick shifts. Driving an automatic makes me feel >>>>>> like I'm the passenger instead of the driver. With a stick shift, I'm >>>>>> part of the machine. If I live long enough to need a new car, it will >>>>>> probably be another stick shift.
I got in a conversation with a Tesla owner last week. He proudly showed >>>>> me a video shot from his driver's seat showing the car self-driving from >>>>> his garage to a coffee shop. The ultimate non-driving experience!
Arguably Teslas are very much the IT company idea of car, folks who want to
experience driving aren?t likely to be their customers, lane assist seems >>>> to help on motorways and similar.
I?m unconvinced that self driving will fully get there I?m told that Tesla >>>> isn?t the best in this category.
I?d say that be more fixed bikes which are more into ?feel the force Luke? >>>> in that they do feel very different and connected, vs index or fixed
I've never owned a car with automatic transmission. Of course, my
current EV has only one fixed ratio reduction gear, so I've moved beyond >>>>> playing with multiple ratios. Just step on the gas ... no, throttle ... >>>>> no, accelerator, and it goes.
Half of my bikes are friction shifting, which is a vaguely similar issue >>>>> for discussion.
shifting.
Roger Merriman
Perhaps the clutch and stick shifts are better for noisy acceleration
with squealing tires, but I outgrew that long ago. On the other hand,
for driving in heavy stop and go traffic I favor the automatic
transmission. As for preference, it's not a factor my wife and I would
even contemplate when buying a vehicle since we both are comfortable
with either one.
For my uses though my car is an automatic, which arent that common in the >> uk, but does make for an easy comfortable car, which is kinda of its
purpose.
Id say a EV is likely to be the easiest in stop start traffic, as doesnt >> need to shift.
I marginally would like a manual for more engine braking when in Wales as
they do steep, but the Volvos have much more impressive brakes than cars or >> old so seems to be non issue.
Related the gorge I grew up in, used to see lorries in the sand pit often
on fire as they had cooked the brakes, doesnt seem to be a thing now.
I disagree this being a bike tech group well worth discussion even if it is >> just preference.
As for shifting on a bicycle, it's strictly personal preference and
not worth discussing.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
Very few, perhaps, no-one is going to change their minds about their bicycling preferences in a forum of old, long-time bicyclists. Arguing
that "my way" is better than "your way" is irritating.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On 4/28/2025 2:32 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 14:02:28 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 4/27/2025 9:26 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/27/2025 2:32 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 09:47:23 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>
He did dump the slushbox for an actual gearbox, which is nice.
Yep. I looked around for a stick shift model. Except for my first
car, all have been stick shifts. Driving an automatic makes me feel >>>>> like I'm the passenger instead of the driver. With a stick shift, I'm >>>>> part of the machine. If I live long enough to need a new car, it will >>>>> probably be another stick shift.
I got in a conversation with a Tesla owner last week. He proudly showed >>>> me a video shot from his driver's seat showing the car self-driving from >>>> his garage to a coffee shop. The ultimate non-driving experience!
I've never owned a car with automatic transmission. Of course, my
current EV has only one fixed ratio reduction gear, so I've moved beyond >>>> playing with multiple ratios. Just step on the gas ... no, throttle ... >>>> no, accelerator, and it goes.
Can you call it "stepping on the gas" in an EV?
"What phrase will replace "step on the gas!" once vehicles are all
electric?"
<https://www.quora.com/What-phrase-will-replace-step-on-the-gas-once-vehicles-are-all-electric>
"Step on the accelerator" seems to be the consensus, although "step on
the rotary encoder" would be more technically correct.
Let's just stick with the basics..... >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPjFoK4HOsw
--
Model S
<https://service.tesla.com/docs/ModelS/ServiceManual/Palladium/en-us/GUID-45B8060C-F262-452F-9694-CFB7C87F33EC.html>
Model Y
<https://service.tesla.com/docs/ModelY/ServiceManual/en-us/GUID-8E18B453-7EBF-417C-B0C2-BC2CDAA2A1C1.html>
Marginally better photos:
<https://www.ebay.com/itm/144674953544>
It looks like a rotary encoder, but I'm not certain.
Half of my bikes are friction shifting, which is a vaguely similar issue >>>> for discussion.
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 28 Apr 2025 16:47:54 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 28 Apr 2025 08:57:30 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/27/2025 2:32 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 09:47:23 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>
He did dump the slushbox for an actual gearbox, which is nice.
Yep. I looked around for a stick shift model. Except for my first >>>>>>> car, all have been stick shifts. Driving an automatic makes me feel >>>>>>> like I'm the passenger instead of the driver. With a stick shift, I'm >>>>>>> part of the machine. If I live long enough to need a new car, it will >>>>>>> probably be another stick shift.
I got in a conversation with a Tesla owner last week. He proudly showed >>>>>> me a video shot from his driver's seat showing the car self-driving from >>>>>> his garage to a coffee shop. The ultimate non-driving experience!
Arguably Teslas are very much the IT company idea of car, folks who want to
experience driving aren?t likely to be their customers, lane assist seems >>>>> to help on motorways and similar.
I?m unconvinced that self driving will fully get there I?m told that Tesla
isn?t the best in this category.
I?d say that be more fixed bikes which are more into ?feel the force Luke?
I've never owned a car with automatic transmission. Of course, my
current EV has only one fixed ratio reduction gear, so I've moved beyond >>>>>> playing with multiple ratios. Just step on the gas ... no, throttle ... >>>>>> no, accelerator, and it goes.
Half of my bikes are friction shifting, which is a vaguely similar issue >>>>>> for discussion.
in that they do feel very different and connected, vs index or fixed >>>>> shifting.
Roger Merriman
Perhaps the clutch and stick shifts are better for noisy acceleration
with squealing tires, but I outgrew that long ago. On the other hand,
for driving in heavy stop and go traffic I favor the automatic
transmission. As for preference, it's not a factor my wife and I would >>>> even contemplate when buying a vehicle since we both are comfortable
with either one.
For my uses though my car is an automatic, which aren?t that common in the >>> uk, but does make for an easy comfortable car, which is kinda of its
purpose.
I?d say a EV is likely to be the easiest in stop start traffic, as doesn?t >>> need to shift.
I marginally would like a manual for more engine braking when in Wales as >>> they do steep, but the Volvos have much more impressive brakes than cars or >>> old so seems to be non issue.
Related the gorge I grew up in, used to see lorries in the sand pit often >>> on fire as they had cooked the brakes, doesn?t seem to be a thing now.
I disagree this being a bike tech group well worth discussion even if it is >>> just preference.
As for shifting on a bicycle, it's strictly personal preference and
not worth discussing.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
Very few, perhaps, no-one is going to change their minds about their
bicycling preferences in a forum of old, long-time bicyclists. Arguing
that "my way" is better than "your way" is irritating.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I dont think anyone is trying to change folks opinion or habits, but might >share experience and knowledge on different technologies, youre definitely >over thinking this.
Roger Merriman
https://www.renehersecycles.com/driving-an-analog-car-in-a-digital-world/
Although I'm disposed toward Subaru among modern autos, his 1992 is in
no way 'analog'.
Electronic not adjustable voltage regulator, electronic ignition with computer real time monitoring/adjustment rather than adjustable mechanical-actuated points, electronic fuel injectors rather than carburetors.
He did dump the slushbox for an actual gearbox, which is nice.
On 28 Apr 2025 22:02:02 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 28 Apr 2025 16:47:54 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 28 Apr 2025 08:57:30 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/27/2025 2:32 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:Arguably Teslas are very much the IT company idea of car, folks who want to
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 09:47:23 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>
He did dump the slushbox for an actual gearbox, which is nice. >>>>>>>>Yep. I looked around for a stick shift model. Except for my first >>>>>>>> car, all have been stick shifts. Driving an automatic makes me feel >>>>>>>> like I'm the passenger instead of the driver. With a stick shift, I'm >>>>>>>> part of the machine. If I live long enough to need a new car, it will >>>>>>>> probably be another stick shift.
I got in a conversation with a Tesla owner last week. He proudly showed >>>>>>> me a video shot from his driver's seat showing the car self-driving from
his garage to a coffee shop. The ultimate non-driving experience! >>>>>>
experience driving aren?t likely to be their customers, lane assist seems
to help on motorways and similar.
I?m unconvinced that self driving will fully get there I?m told that Tesla
isn?t the best in this category.
I?d say that be more fixed bikes which are more into ?feel the force Luke?
I've never owned a car with automatic transmission. Of course, my >>>>>>> current EV has only one fixed ratio reduction gear, so I've moved beyond
playing with multiple ratios. Just step on the gas ... no, throttle ... >>>>>>> no, accelerator, and it goes.
Half of my bikes are friction shifting, which is a vaguely similar issue
for discussion.
in that they do feel very different and connected, vs index or fixed >>>>>> shifting.
Roger Merriman
Perhaps the clutch and stick shifts are better for noisy acceleration >>>>> with squealing tires, but I outgrew that long ago. On the other hand, >>>>> for driving in heavy stop and go traffic I favor the automatic
transmission. As for preference, it's not a factor my wife and I would >>>>> even contemplate when buying a vehicle since we both are comfortable >>>>> with either one.
For my uses though my car is an automatic, which aren?t that common in the >>>> uk, but does make for an easy comfortable car, which is kinda of its
purpose.
I?d say a EV is likely to be the easiest in stop start traffic, as doesn?t >>>> need to shift.
I marginally would like a manual for more engine braking when in Wales as >>>> they do steep, but the Volvos have much more impressive brakes than cars or
old so seems to be non issue.
Related the gorge I grew up in, used to see lorries in the sand pit often >>>> on fire as they had cooked the brakes, doesn?t seem to be a thing now. >>>>>
As for shifting on a bicycle, it's strictly personal preference andI disagree this being a bike tech group well worth discussion even if it is
not worth discussing.
just preference.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
Very few, perhaps, no-one is going to change their minds about their
bicycling preferences in a forum of old, long-time bicyclists. Arguing
that "my way" is better than "your way" is irritating.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I dont think anyone is trying to change folks opinion or habits, but might >> share experience and knowledge on different technologies, youre definitely >> over thinking this.
Roger Merriman
When I see someone say, "lets discuss something," it generally means
"I disagree with you and I want to argue with you about it." At some
point in the "discussion," the person who initiated the discussion
will likely challenge the other guy to defend his preferences.
I'm not interested in discussing (arguing) because I'm not susceptible
to be influenced nor have I interest in changing anyone else's mind.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On 4/28/2025 3:19 PM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Am Sun, 27 Apr 2025 21:26:23 -0400 schrieb Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>:
I've never owned a car with automatic transmission. Of course, my
current EV has only one fixed ratio reduction gear, so I've moved beyond >>> playing with multiple ratios. Just step on the gas ... no, throttle ...
no, accelerator, and it goes.
Half of my bikes are friction shifting, which is a vaguely similar issue >>> for discussion.
I never owned a car with automatic transmission, either. If I rent a
car, I don't care, but why should I get used to something that I don't
need and that only costs money?
We still own a car manufactured 25 years ago, that we bought 20 years
ago, for less money than we spent for the parts of the two bikes I built
in early 2023. A car that is driven infrequently, carefully and only on
a few long journeys and that is properly maintained can last that long -
at least some of those produced before 2000 do.
Here in Northeast Ohio, it's difficult for a car to last that long even
if given normal good care and driven infrequently. That would have
described "the pinnacle of automotive achievement," the 1990 Honda Civic Station Wagon that I sold when it was over 21 years old. It was a quirky thing, fun to drive, efficient, with surprising carrying capacity. But
"rust never sleeps" as Neil Young said. I'll skip the long list of
seriously rusted bits that caused me to finally give up on the car. (But
have you ever had a car's gas tank drop due to rusted and broken support straps?)
Our bikes have wireless electronic 1x12 shifting with two simple
switches. It isn't automatic, if you take it literally, but simple
enough. My wife likes it, and so do I. I see no value in memorizing
irregular gear ratios or guessing these on the fly while riding. I can
do that but don't miss it.
Huh. I have never had a problem figuring where my desired gear was. It
may be because I seem to be very tolerant of gear ratios, cadences, etc.
But my three friction shifting bikes all have essentially identical
"half step" gearing, so I'm very, very used to that.
On 4/28/2025 6:02 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 28 Apr 2025 16:47:54 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
I disagree this being a bike tech group well worth discussion even if it is
As for shifting on a bicycle, it's strictly personal preference and
not worth discussing.
just preference.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
Very few, perhaps, no-one is going to change their minds about their
bicycling preferences in a forum of old, long-time bicyclists. Arguing
that "my way" is better than "your way" is irritating.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I dont think anyone is trying to change folks opinion or habits, but might >> share experience and knowledge on different technologies, youre definitely >> over thinking this.
He's absolutely baffled by the concept of a discussion group, and he has
some weird ideas on the purpose of discussions in general.
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 28 Apr 2025 22:02:02 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 28 Apr 2025 16:47:54 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 28 Apr 2025 08:57:30 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>>
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/27/2025 2:32 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:Arguably Teslas are very much the IT company idea of car, folks who want to
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 09:47:23 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
He did dump the slushbox for an actual gearbox, which is nice. >>>>>>>>>Yep. I looked around for a stick shift model. Except for my first >>>>>>>>> car, all have been stick shifts. Driving an automatic makes me feel >>>>>>>>> like I'm the passenger instead of the driver. With a stick shift, I'm
part of the machine. If I live long enough to need a new car, it will
probably be another stick shift.
I got in a conversation with a Tesla owner last week. He proudly showed
me a video shot from his driver's seat showing the car self-driving from
his garage to a coffee shop. The ultimate non-driving experience! >>>>>>>
experience driving aren?t likely to be their customers, lane assist seems
to help on motorways and similar.
I?m unconvinced that self driving will fully get there I?m told that Tesla
isn?t the best in this category.
I?d say that be more fixed bikes which are more into ?feel the force Luke?
I've never owned a car with automatic transmission. Of course, my >>>>>>>> current EV has only one fixed ratio reduction gear, so I've moved beyond
playing with multiple ratios. Just step on the gas ... no, throttle ...
no, accelerator, and it goes.
Half of my bikes are friction shifting, which is a vaguely similar issue
for discussion.
in that they do feel very different and connected, vs index or fixed >>>>>>> shifting.
Roger Merriman
Perhaps the clutch and stick shifts are better for noisy acceleration >>>>>> with squealing tires, but I outgrew that long ago. On the other hand, >>>>>> for driving in heavy stop and go traffic I favor the automatic
transmission. As for preference, it's not a factor my wife and I would >>>>>> even contemplate when buying a vehicle since we both are comfortable >>>>>> with either one.
For my uses though my car is an automatic, which aren?t that common in the
uk, but does make for an easy comfortable car, which is kinda of its >>>>> purpose.
I?d say a EV is likely to be the easiest in stop start traffic, as doesn?t
need to shift.
I marginally would like a manual for more engine braking when in Wales as >>>>> they do steep, but the Volvos have much more impressive brakes than cars or
old so seems to be non issue.
Related the gorge I grew up in, used to see lorries in the sand pit often >>>>> on fire as they had cooked the brakes, doesn?t seem to be a thing now. >>>>>>
As for shifting on a bicycle, it's strictly personal preference and >>>>>> not worth discussing.I disagree this being a bike tech group well worth discussion even if it is
just preference.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
Very few, perhaps, no-one is going to change their minds about their
bicycling preferences in a forum of old, long-time bicyclists. Arguing >>>> that "my way" is better than "your way" is irritating.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I don?t think anyone is trying to change folks opinion or habits, but might >>> share experience and knowledge on different technologies, you?re definitely >>> over thinking this.
Roger Merriman
When I see someone say, "lets discuss something," it generally means
"I disagree with you and I want to argue with you about it." At some
point in the "discussion," the person who initiated the discussion
will likely challenge the other guy to defend his preferences.
I'm not interested in discussing (arguing) because I'm not susceptible
to be influenced nor have I interest in changing anyone else's mind.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
No thats someone wants to learn more, maybe understand your reasons, most >folks are aware that folks are unlikely to change preferences, its a >technical group its stands by reason that folks are likely to be
interested in kit and so on.
Roger Merriman
On 4/28/2025 2:02 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/27/2025 9:26 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/27/2025 2:32 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 09:47:23 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>
He did dump the slushbox for an actual gearbox, which is nice.
Yep. I looked around for a stick shift model. Except for my first
car, all have been stick shifts. Driving an automatic makes me feel
like I'm the passenger instead of the driver. With a stick shift, I'm >>>> part of the machine. If I live long enough to need a new car, it will >>>> probably be another stick shift.
I got in a conversation with a Tesla owner last week. He proudly
showed me a video shot from his driver's seat showing the car self-
driving from his garage to a coffee shop. The ultimate non-driving
experience!
I've never owned a car with automatic transmission. Of course, my
current EV has only one fixed ratio reduction gear, so I've moved
beyond playing with multiple ratios. Just step on the gas ... no,
throttle ... no, accelerator, and it goes.
Can you call it "stepping on the gas" in an EV?
It was a joke! :-)
But we do use archaic terms. How often do you "fire up" your computer -
as people once "fired up" steam engines?
How often do we express bodily fatigue as having "run out of steam"?
floriduh dumbass <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:Just so we have this straight - this dumbass thinks automobile
On 28 Apr 2025 08:57:30 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:I disagree this being a bike tech group well worth discussion even if it is just preference.
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/27/2025 2:32 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 09:47:23 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>
He did dump the slushbox for an actual gearbox, which is nice.
Yep. I looked around for a stick shift model. Except for my first
car, all have been stick shifts. Driving an automatic makes me feel >>>>> like I'm the passenger instead of the driver. With a stick shift, I'm >>>>> part of the machine. If I live long enough to need a new car, it will >>>>> probably be another stick shift.
I got in a conversation with a Tesla owner last week. He proudly showed >>>> me a video shot from his driver's seat showing the car self-driving from >>>> his garage to a coffee shop. The ultimate non-driving experience!
Arguably Teslas are very much the IT company idea of car, folks who want to >>> experience driving arent likely to be their customers, lane assist seems >>> to help on motorways and similar.
Im unconvinced that self driving will fully get there Im told that Tesla
isnt the best in this category.
Id say that be more fixed bikes which are more into feel the force Luke
I've never owned a car with automatic transmission. Of course, my
current EV has only one fixed ratio reduction gear, so I've moved beyond >>>> playing with multiple ratios. Just step on the gas ... no, throttle ... >>>> no, accelerator, and it goes.
Half of my bikes are friction shifting, which is a vaguely similar issue >>>> for discussion.
in that they do feel very different and connected, vs index or fixed
shifting.
Roger Merriman
Perhaps the clutch and stick shifts are better for noisy acceleration
with squealing tires, but I outgrew that long ago. On the other hand,
for driving in heavy stop and go traffic I favor the automatic
transmission. As for preference, it's not a factor my wife and I would
even contemplate when buying a vehicle since we both are comfortable
with either one.
As for shifting on a bicycle, it's strictly personal preference and
not worth discussing.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 14:51:25 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 4/28/2025 2:32 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 14:02:28 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 4/27/2025 9:26 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/27/2025 2:32 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 09:47:23 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>
He did dump the slushbox for an actual gearbox, which is nice.
Yep. I looked around for a stick shift model. Except for my first >>>>>> car, all have been stick shifts. Driving an automatic makes me feel >>>>>> like I'm the passenger instead of the driver. With a stick shift, I'm >>>>>> part of the machine. If I live long enough to need a new car, it will >>>>>> probably be another stick shift.
I got in a conversation with a Tesla owner last week. He proudly showed >>>>> me a video shot from his driver's seat showing the car self-driving from >>>>> his garage to a coffee shop. The ultimate non-driving experience!
I've never owned a car with automatic transmission. Of course, my
current EV has only one fixed ratio reduction gear, so I've moved beyond >>>>> playing with multiple ratios. Just step on the gas ... no, throttle ... >>>>> no, accelerator, and it goes.
Can you call it "stepping on the gas" in an EV?
"What phrase will replace "step on the gas!" once vehicles are all
electric?"
<https://www.quora.com/What-phrase-will-replace-step-on-the-gas-once-vehicles-are-all-electric>
"Step on the accelerator" seems to be the consensus, although "step on
the rotary encoder" would be more technically correct.
Let's just stick with the basics.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPjFoK4HOsw
Yep. A stick(y) accelerator can be a problem. Tesla recalled 3,878 Cybertrucks in 2024 for such sticky accelerator pedals. <https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-cybertruck-sticking-pedal-unintended-acceleration-recall>
As for "basics", the last time I checked, rec.bicycles.tech was a
"tech" newsgroup which is the opposite of a "basics" group.
Model S
<https://service.tesla.com/docs/ModelS/ServiceManual/Palladium/en-us/GUID-45B8060C-F262-452F-9694-CFB7C87F33EC.html>
Model Y
<https://service.tesla.com/docs/ModelY/ServiceManual/en-us/GUID-8E18B453-7EBF-417C-B0C2-BC2CDAA2A1C1.html>
Marginally better photos:
<https://www.ebay.com/itm/144674953544>
It looks like a rotary encoder, but I'm not certain.
Half of my bikes are friction shifting, which is a vaguely similar issue >>>>> for discussion.
On 4/28/2025 3:19 PM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Am Sun, 27 Apr 2025 21:26:23 -0400 schrieb Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>:
I've never owned a car with automatic transmission. Of
course, my
current EV has only one fixed ratio reduction gear, so
I've moved beyond
playing with multiple ratios. Just step on the gas ...
no, throttle ...
no, accelerator, and it goes.
Half of my bikes are friction shifting, which is a
vaguely similar issue
for discussion.
I never owned a car with automatic transmission, either.
If I rent a
car, I don't care, but why should I get used to something
that I don't
need and that only costs money?
We still own a car manufactured 25 years ago, that we
bought 20 years
ago, for less money than we spent for the parts of the two
bikes I built
in early 2023. A car that is driven infrequently,
carefully and only on
a few long journeys and that is properly maintained can
last that long -
at least some of those produced before 2000 do.
Here in Northeast Ohio, it's difficult for a car to last
that long even if given normal good care and driven
infrequently. That would have described "the pinnacle of
automotive achievement," the 1990 Honda Civic Station Wagon
that I sold when it was over 21 years old. It was a quirky
thing, fun to drive, efficient, with surprising carrying
capacity. But "rust never sleeps" as Neil Young said. I'll
skip the long list of seriously rusted bits that caused me
to finally give up on the car. (But have you ever had a
car's gas tank drop due to rusted and broken support straps?)
Our bikes have wireless electronic 1x12 shifting with two
simple
switches. It isn't automatic, if you take it literally,
but simple
enough. My wife likes it, and so do I. I see no value in
memorizing
irregular gear ratios or guessing these on the fly while
riding. I can
do that but don't miss it.
Huh. I have never had a problem figuring where my desired
gear was. It may be because I seem to be very tolerant of
gear ratios, cadences, etc. But my three friction shifting
bikes all have essentially identical "half step" gearing, so
I'm very, very used to that.
On 4/28/2025 8:47 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
On the other hand, if you want to experience the depths of
true "off",
just let that atavistic 12V battery run down, and prepare
to find an
experienced mechanic with a jump starter just to get the
door open,
never mind rolling down the windows.
I've had two 12V battery incidents with my Kia EV. Despite
having a 64 kw-hr battery full of electrons (at something
over 300V), the car would not start. Some parasitic loss had
drained the very conventional 12V battery down to a voltage
too low to fire up* the electronics. One was a complete
mystery, the other was a device plugged into an outlet
within the car.
I happened to have a spare motorcycle battery on hand and
charged. I used that to "jump" the car's 12V battery, and
all was well. It doesn't seem to require much current to
kick the electronics awake, energize the relays, etc.
The car does have a "utility mode" in which the big traction
battery tends the 12V. That's mostly intended for things
like camping, where one might run lights, etc. off the 12V.
(* Note the archaic term still in use: "fire up," as with a
steam engine.)
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/28/2025 3:19 PM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Am Sun, 27 Apr 2025 21:26:23 -0400 schrieb Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>:
I've never owned a car with automatic transmission. Of course, my
current EV has only one fixed ratio reduction gear, so I've moved beyond >>>> playing with multiple ratios. Just step on the gas ... no, throttle ... >>>> no, accelerator, and it goes.
Half of my bikes are friction shifting, which is a vaguely similar issue >>>> for discussion.
I never owned a car with automatic transmission, either. If I rent a
car, I don't care, but why should I get used to something that I don't
need and that only costs money?
We still own a car manufactured 25 years ago, that we bought 20 years
ago, for less money than we spent for the parts of the two bikes I built >>> in early 2023. A car that is driven infrequently, carefully and only on >>> a few long journeys and that is properly maintained can last that long - >>> at least some of those produced before 2000 do.
Here in Northeast Ohio, it's difficult for a car to last that long even
if given normal good care and driven infrequently. That would have
described "the pinnacle of automotive achievement," the 1990 Honda Civic
Station Wagon that I sold when it was over 21 years old. It was a quirky
thing, fun to drive, efficient, with surprising carrying capacity. But
"rust never sleeps" as Neil Young said. I'll skip the long list of
seriously rusted bits that caused me to finally give up on the car. (But
have you ever had a car's gas tank drop due to rusted and broken support
straps?)
I’d be surprised if Ohio is any wetter than UK? Or Germany for that matter depending on where, my old Volvo is rust free, to the best of my knowledge don’t get any advisory during the MOT etc.
1 by even if not electronic is much easier system to use, with down or up shift. And doesn’t get stuck between chainrings ie how much am I cross chaining do I need to shift down and then up on the cassette hence my old commute bikes 1-10 is lot more liveable with than the 3-9 which absolutely had better range but for the commute was tedious.
Our bikes have wireless electronic 1x12 shifting with two simple
switches. It isn't automatic, if you take it literally, but simple
enough. My wife likes it, and so do I. I see no value in memorizing
irregular gear ratios or guessing these on the fly while riding. I can
do that but don't miss it.
Huh. I have never had a problem figuring where my desired gear was. It
may be because I seem to be very tolerant of gear ratios, cadences, etc.
But my three friction shifting bikes all have essentially identical
"half step" gearing, so I'm very, very used to that.
The ability to drop a lot of gears with a double is useful I find and I
like the relatively low cost of 10s stuff and the gearing range with the
GRX rear mech.
Roger Merriman
On 4/29/2025 3:32 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/28/2025 3:19 PM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Am Sun, 27 Apr 2025 21:26:23 -0400 schrieb Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>:
I've never owned a car with automatic transmission. Of course, my
current EV has only one fixed ratio reduction gear, so I've moved beyond >>>>> playing with multiple ratios. Just step on the gas ... no, throttle ... >>>>> no, accelerator, and it goes.
Half of my bikes are friction shifting, which is a vaguely similar issue >>>>> for discussion.
I never owned a car with automatic transmission, either. If I rent a
car, I don't care, but why should I get used to something that I don't >>>> need and that only costs money?
We still own a car manufactured 25 years ago, that we bought 20 years
ago, for less money than we spent for the parts of the two bikes I built >>>> in early 2023. A car that is driven infrequently, carefully and only on >>>> a few long journeys and that is properly maintained can last that long - >>>> at least some of those produced before 2000 do.
Here in Northeast Ohio, it's difficult for a car to last that long even
if given normal good care and driven infrequently. That would have
described "the pinnacle of automotive achievement," the 1990 Honda Civic >>> Station Wagon that I sold when it was over 21 years old. It was a quirky >>> thing, fun to drive, efficient, with surprising carrying capacity. But
"rust never sleeps" as Neil Young said. I'll skip the long list of
seriously rusted bits that caused me to finally give up on the car. (But >>> have you ever had a car's gas tank drop due to rusted and broken support >>> straps?)
I’d be surprised if Ohio is any wetter than UK? Or Germany for that matter >> depending on where, my old Volvo is rust free, to the best of my knowledge >> don’t get any advisory during the MOT etc.
1 by even if not electronic is much easier system to use, with down or up
Our bikes have wireless electronic 1x12 shifting with two simple
switches. It isn't automatic, if you take it literally, but simple
enough. My wife likes it, and so do I. I see no value in memorizing
irregular gear ratios or guessing these on the fly while riding. I can >>>> do that but don't miss it.
Huh. I have never had a problem figuring where my desired gear was. It
may be because I seem to be very tolerant of gear ratios, cadences, etc. >>> But my three friction shifting bikes all have essentially identical
"half step" gearing, so I'm very, very used to that.
shift. And doesn’t get stuck between chainrings ie how much am I cross
chaining do I need to shift down and then up on the cassette hence my old
commute bikes 1-10 is lot more liveable with than the 3-9 which absolutely >> had better range but for the commute was tedious.
The ability to drop a lot of gears with a double is useful I find and I
like the relatively low cost of 10s stuff and the gearing range with the
GRX rear mech.
Roger Merriman
Yes, ambient humidity is probably similar but here the
temperature range is wider and hence more troubles with ice.
Our culture has embraced road salt, excessively and
maniacally, with predictable results.
floriduh dumbass <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:Just so we have this straight - this dumbass thinks automobile
On 28 Apr 2025 08:57:30 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:I disagree this being a bike tech group well worth discussion even if it is >> just preference.
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/27/2025 2:32 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 09:47:23 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>
He did dump the slushbox for an actual gearbox, which is nice.
Yep. I looked around for a stick shift model. Except for my first >>>>>> car, all have been stick shifts. Driving an automatic makes me feel >>>>>> like I'm the passenger instead of the driver. With a stick shift, I'm >>>>>> part of the machine. If I live long enough to need a new car, it will >>>>>> probably be another stick shift.
I got in a conversation with a Tesla owner last week. He proudly showed >>>>> me a video shot from his driver's seat showing the car self-driving from >>>>> his garage to a coffee shop. The ultimate non-driving experience!
Arguably Teslas are very much the IT company idea of car, folks who want to
experience driving aren?t likely to be their customers, lane assist seems >>>> to help on motorways and similar.
I?m unconvinced that self driving will fully get there I?m told that Tesla >>>> isn?t the best in this category.
I?d say that be more fixed bikes which are more into ?feel the force Luke? >>>> in that they do feel very different and connected, vs index or fixed
I've never owned a car with automatic transmission. Of course, my
current EV has only one fixed ratio reduction gear, so I've moved beyond >>>>> playing with multiple ratios. Just step on the gas ... no, throttle ... >>>>> no, accelerator, and it goes.
Half of my bikes are friction shifting, which is a vaguely similar issue >>>>> for discussion.
shifting.
Roger Merriman
Perhaps the clutch and stick shifts are better for noisy acceleration
with squealing tires, but I outgrew that long ago. On the other hand,
for driving in heavy stop and go traffic I favor the automatic
transmission. As for preference, it's not a factor my wife and I would
even contemplate when buying a vehicle since we both are comfortable
with either one.
As for shifting on a bicycle, it's strictly personal preference and
not worth discussing.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
shifting preferences are worth discussing but bicycle shifting
preferences are not...in a bicycle technical forum....
Fucking dumbass.....
On 4/28/2025 10:21 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/28/2025 8:47 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
On the other hand, if you want to experience the depths of
true "off",
just let that atavistic 12V battery run down, and prepare
to find an
experienced mechanic with a jump starter just to get the
door open,
never mind rolling down the windows.
I've had two 12V battery incidents with my Kia EV. Despite
having a 64 kw-hr battery full of electrons (at something
over 300V), the car would not start. Some parasitic loss had
drained the very conventional 12V battery down to a voltage
too low to fire up* the electronics. One was a complete
mystery, the other was a device plugged into an outlet
within the car.
I happened to have a spare motorcycle battery on hand and
charged. I used that to "jump" the car's 12V battery, and
all was well. It doesn't seem to require much current to
kick the electronics awake, energize the relays, etc.
The car does have a "utility mode" in which the big traction
battery tends the 12V. That's mostly intended for things
like camping, where one might run lights, etc. off the 12V.
(* Note the archaic term still in use: "fire up," as with a
steam engine.)
My cars will bump start on a small incline or with two guys
pushing on flat ground.
On 4/28/2025 8:47 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
On the other hand, if you want to experience the depths of true
"off",
just let that atavistic 12V battery run down, and prepare to find an
experienced mechanic with a jump starter just to get the door open,
never mind rolling down the windows.
I've had two 12V battery incidents with my Kia EV. Despite having a 64
kw-hr battery full of electrons (at something over 300V), the car
would not start. Some parasitic loss had drained the very conventional
12V battery down to a voltage too low to fire up* the electronics. One
was a complete mystery, the other was a device plugged into an outlet
within the car.
I happened to have a spare motorcycle battery on hand and charged. I
used that to "jump" the car's 12V battery, and all was well. It
doesn't seem to require much current to kick the electronics awake,
energize the relays, etc.
The car does have a "utility mode" in which the big traction battery
tends the 12V. That's mostly intended for things like camping, where
one might run lights, etc. off the 12V.
(* Note the archaic term still in use: "fire up," as with a steam engine.)
On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 07:48:54 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
floriduh dumbass <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:Just so we have this straight - this dumbass thinks automobile
On 28 Apr 2025 08:57:30 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:I disagree this being a bike tech group well worth discussion even if it is >>> just preference.
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/27/2025 2:32 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 09:47:23 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>
He did dump the slushbox for an actual gearbox, which is nice.
Yep. I looked around for a stick shift model. Except for my first >>>>>>> car, all have been stick shifts. Driving an automatic makes me feel >>>>>>> like I'm the passenger instead of the driver. With a stick shift, I'm >>>>>>> part of the machine. If I live long enough to need a new car, it will >>>>>>> probably be another stick shift.
I got in a conversation with a Tesla owner last week. He proudly showed >>>>>> me a video shot from his driver's seat showing the car self-driving from >>>>>> his garage to a coffee shop. The ultimate non-driving experience!
Arguably Teslas are very much the IT company idea of car, folks who want to
experience driving aren?t likely to be their customers, lane assist seems >>>>> to help on motorways and similar.
I?m unconvinced that self driving will fully get there I?m told that Tesla
isn?t the best in this category.
I?d say that be more fixed bikes which are more into ?feel the force Luke?
I've never owned a car with automatic transmission. Of course, my
current EV has only one fixed ratio reduction gear, so I've moved beyond >>>>>> playing with multiple ratios. Just step on the gas ... no, throttle ... >>>>>> no, accelerator, and it goes.
Half of my bikes are friction shifting, which is a vaguely similar issue >>>>>> for discussion.
in that they do feel very different and connected, vs index or fixed >>>>> shifting.
Roger Merriman
Perhaps the clutch and stick shifts are better for noisy acceleration
with squealing tires, but I outgrew that long ago. On the other hand,
for driving in heavy stop and go traffic I favor the automatic
transmission. As for preference, it's not a factor my wife and I would >>>> even contemplate when buying a vehicle since we both are comfortable
with either one.
As for shifting on a bicycle, it's strictly personal preference and
not worth discussing.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
shifting preferences are worth discussing but bicycle shifting
preferences are not...in a bicycle technical forum....
Fucking dumbass.....
Actually, I simply stated my opinions and preferences, Dummy. I wasn't suggesting a discussion. You can discuss automobile shifting if you
want, but I'll opt out.
On 4/28/2025 5:34 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 14:51:25 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 4/28/2025 2:32 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 14:02:28 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> >>>> wrote:
On 4/27/2025 9:26 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/27/2025 2:32 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 09:47:23 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>
He did dump the slushbox for an actual gearbox, which is nice.
Yep. I looked around for a stick shift model. Except for my first >>>>>>> car, all have been stick shifts. Driving an automatic makes me feel >>>>>>> like I'm the passenger instead of the driver. With a stick shift, I'm >>>>>>> part of the machine. If I live long enough to need a new car, it will >>>>>>> probably be another stick shift.
I got in a conversation with a Tesla owner last week. He proudly showed >>>>>> me a video shot from his driver's seat showing the car self-driving from >>>>>> his garage to a coffee shop. The ultimate non-driving experience!
I've never owned a car with automatic transmission. Of course, my
current EV has only one fixed ratio reduction gear, so I've moved beyond >>>>>> playing with multiple ratios. Just step on the gas ... no, throttle ... >>>>>> no, accelerator, and it goes.
Can you call it "stepping on the gas" in an EV?
"What phrase will replace "step on the gas!" once vehicles are all
electric?"
<https://www.quora.com/What-phrase-will-replace-step-on-the-gas-once-vehicles-are-all-electric>
"Step on the accelerator" seems to be the consensus, although "step on >>>> the rotary encoder" would be more technically correct.
Let's just stick with the basics.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPjFoK4HOsw
Yep. A stick(y) accelerator can be a problem. Tesla recalled 3,878
Cybertrucks in 2024 for such sticky accelerator pedals.
<https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-cybertruck-sticking-pedal-unintended-acceleration-recall>
Did you check link? Sticky accelerators don't seem to be the issue.
As for "basics", the last time I checked, rec.bicycles.tech was a
"tech" newsgroup which is the opposite of a "basics" group.
And we weren't discussing bicycle technology.
--
Model S
<https://service.tesla.com/docs/ModelS/ServiceManual/Palladium/en-us/GUID-45B8060C-F262-452F-9694-CFB7C87F33EC.html>
Model Y
<https://service.tesla.com/docs/ModelY/ServiceManual/en-us/GUID-8E18B453-7EBF-417C-B0C2-BC2CDAA2A1C1.html>
Marginally better photos:
<https://www.ebay.com/itm/144674953544>
It looks like a rotary encoder, but I'm not certain.
Half of my bikes are friction shifting, which is a vaguely similar issue >>>>>> for discussion.
https://mydoctor.kaiserpermanente.org/mas/Images/thumbnail_large_Bike%20Helmet_tcm88-1757243.jpg
As for shifting on a bicycle, it's strictly personal preference and
not worth discussing.
On 4/29/2025 5:27 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 22:54:56 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/28/2025 6:02 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 28 Apr 2025 16:47:54 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
I disagree this being a bike tech group well worth discussion even if it is
As for shifting on a bicycle, it's strictly personal preference and >>>>>>> not worth discussing.
just preference.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
Very few, perhaps, no-one is going to change their minds about their >>>>> bicycling preferences in a forum of old, long-time bicyclists. Arguing >>>>> that "my way" is better than "your way" is irritating.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I dont think anyone is trying to change folks opinion or habits, but might
share experience and knowledge on different technologies, youre definitely
over thinking this.
He's absolutely baffled by the concept of a discussion group, and he has >>> some weird ideas on the purpose of discussions in general.
With Krygowski, a "discussion" is how he seeks to satisfy his
narcissist need for attention...
:-) And what does our timid tricycle rider think he was doing with that >sentence? And with his interminable and compulsive carping at almost
every post I make?
Look at how he's gone on and on for weeks about guns and helmets,
repeating his arguments over and over to anybody who'd reply to them.
Often, in those boring tirades, he'll demand that anyone who disagrees
with him justify their opinions and preferences to him.
AFAIK I have never initiated a discussion on either guns or helmets.
When others (like Mr. Tricycle Rider) have done so, I have responded. I >generally respond with data, often with citations of online data easily >available, but sometimes with citations of peer reviewed scientific papers.
But the scientifically illiterate can't tell "data" from "opinion." And
in their mind, "anecdote" (e.g. one scary story from thousands of miles
away) counts as "data."
least in the relevant topic; so I have no hope of changing their
opinion. Instead, I hope my writing will inform others who may be
reading but not posting.
FWIW, despite Mr. Tricycle's claim, we have had instances where people
have changed their opinions based on factual posts here.
Is it odd that AFAIK the changes have always been in the direction
justified by data?
On 4/29/2025 7:04 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
The brags about bicycling I've seen here on RBT are simply things most
bicyclists have done ...
Says the man who has repeatedly bragged about his 50 mile rides on a
dead flat, smoothly paved, isolated suburban bike trail.
On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 07:04:10 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
https://mydoctor.kaiserpermanente.org/mas/Images/thumbnail_large_Bike%20Helmet_tcm88-1757243.jpg
A helmet like this would be better: <https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/bicycles/oddities/helmet.jpg>
On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 08:13:45 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
As for shifting on a bicycle, it's strictly personal preference and
not worth discussing.
Interesting. I've been involved in Usenet discussion groups since I
was running a B-News 2.10 and later INN (InterNetNews) server in 1985.
What attracted me to Usenet, as opposed to BBS (bulletin board
service) type discussion systems, was the limited use of moderation
and the general lack of censorship. It was easy to recognize the
first signs of censorship, such as this discussion on what is
considered appropriate topics for discussion, such as personal
shifting preferences. Such discussions usually ended quickly after
the participants recognized that they were engaging in a form of
censorship. Please try not to become part of the problem.
On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 08:13:45 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
As for shifting on a bicycle, it's strictly personal preference and
not worth discussing.
Interesting. I've been involved in Usenet discussion groups since I
was running a B-News 2.10 and later INN (InterNetNews) server in 1985.
What attracted me to Usenet, as opposed to BBS (bulletin board
service) type discussion systems, was the limited use of moderation
and the general lack of censorship. It was easy to recognize the
first signs of censorship, such as this discussion on what is
considered appropriate topics for discussion, such as personal
shifting preferences. Such discussions usually ended quickly after
the participants recognized that they were engaging in a form of
censorship. Please try not to become part of the problem.
On 4/28/2025 3:19 PM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Am Sun, 27 Apr 2025 21:26:23 -0400 schrieb Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>:
I've never owned a car with automatic transmission. Of course, my
current EV has only one fixed ratio reduction gear, so I've moved beyond >>> playing with multiple ratios. Just step on the gas ... no, throttle ...
no, accelerator, and it goes.
Half of my bikes are friction shifting, which is a vaguely similar issue >>> for discussion.
I never owned a car with automatic transmission, either. If I rent a
car, I don't care, but why should I get used to something that I don't
need and that only costs money?
We still own a car manufactured 25 years ago, that we bought 20 years
ago, for less money than we spent for the parts of the two bikes I built
in early 2023. A car that is driven infrequently, carefully and only on
a few long journeys and that is properly maintained can last that long -
at least some of those produced before 2000 do.
Here in Northeast Ohio, it's difficult for a car to last that long even
if given normal good care and driven infrequently. That would have
described "the pinnacle of automotive achievement," the 1990 Honda Civic >Station Wagon that I sold when it was over 21 years old. It was a quirky >thing, fun to drive, efficient, with surprising carrying capacity. But
"rust never sleeps" as Neil Young said. I'll skip the long list of
seriously rusted bits that caused me to finally give up on the car. (But
have you ever had a car's gas tank drop due to rusted and broken support >straps?)
Our bikes have wireless electronic 1x12 shifting with two simple
switches. It isn't automatic, if you take it literally, but simple
enough. My wife likes it, and so do I. I see no value in memorizing
irregular gear ratios or guessing these on the fly while riding. I can
do that but don't miss it.
Huh. I have never had a problem figuring where my desired gear was.
It
may be because I seem to be very tolerant of gear ratios, cadences, etc.
But my three friction shifting bikes all have essentially identical
"half step" gearing, so I'm very, very used to that.
On 4/29/2025 11:06 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 08:13:45 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
As for shifting on a bicycle, it's strictly personal preference and
not worth discussing.
Interesting. I've been involved in Usenet discussion groups since I
was running a B-News 2.10 and later INN (InterNetNews) server in 1985.
What attracted me to Usenet, as opposed to BBS (bulletin board
service) type discussion systems, was the limited use of moderation
and the general lack of censorship. It was easy to recognize the
first signs of censorship, such as this discussion on what is
considered appropriate topics for discussion, such as personal
shifting preferences. Such discussions usually ended quickly after
the participants recognized that they were engaging in a form of
censorship. Please try not to become part of the problem.
+1
A current subject in the morning news:
https://nypost.com/2025/04/29/us-news/mumford-amp-sons-alum-winston-marshall-asks-karoline-leavitt-about-free-speech/
The cure for 'bad' speech is more speech.
On 4/29/2025 11:06 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 08:13:45 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
As for shifting on a bicycle, it's strictly personal preference and
not worth discussing.
Interesting. I've been involved in Usenet discussion groups since I
was running a B-News 2.10 and later INN (InterNetNews) server in 1985.
What attracted me to Usenet, as opposed to BBS (bulletin board
service) type discussion systems, was the limited use of moderation
and the general lack of censorship. It was easy to recognize the
first signs of censorship, such as this discussion on what is
considered appropriate topics for discussion, such as personal
shifting preferences. Such discussions usually ended quickly after
the participants recognized that they were engaging in a form of
censorship. Please try not to become part of the problem.
+1
A current subject in the morning news:
https://nypost.com/2025/04/29/us-news/mumford-amp-sons-alum-winston-marshall-asks-karoline-leavitt-about-free-speech/
The cure for 'bad' speech is more speech.
On 4/29/2025 4:32 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Here in Northeast Ohio, it's difficult for a car to last that long even
if given normal good care and driven infrequently. That would have
described "the pinnacle of automotive achievement," the 1990 Honda Civic >>> Station Wagon that I sold when it was over 21 years old. It was a quirky >>> thing, fun to drive, efficient, with surprising carrying capacity. But
"rust never sleeps" as Neil Young said. I'll skip the long list of
seriously rusted bits that caused me to finally give up on the car. (But >>> have you ever had a car's gas tank drop due to rusted and broken support >>> straps?)
I’d be surprised if Ohio is any wetter than UK? Or Germany for that matter >> depending on where, my old Volvo is rust free, to the best of my knowledge >> don’t get any advisory during the MOT etc.
I think the difference is salt, especially road salt, plus our large
number of freeze-thaw cycles. Under Lake Erie is an immense reservoir of
rock salt: https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2017/12/go_under_lake_erie_and_inside.html
and it's used liberally on winter roads. It's very corrosive.
I have never had a problem figuring where my desired gear was. It1 by even if not electronic is much easier system to use, with down or up
may be because I seem to be very tolerant of gear ratios, cadences, etc. >>> But my three friction shifting bikes all have essentially identical
"half step" gearing, so I'm very, very used to that.
shift. And doesn’t get stuck between chainrings ie how much am I cross
chaining do I need to shift down and then up on the cassette hence my old
commute bikes 1-10 is lot more liveable with than the 3-9 which absolutely >> had better range but for the commute was tedious.
The ability to drop a lot of gears with a double is useful I find and I
like the relatively low cost of 10s stuff and the gearing range with the
GRX rear mech.
My ancient "half step" is admittedly quirky. I think the system
originally arose back when derailleurs were far less capable and
precise. It was a way for those old derailleurs to get reasonably close
gear spacing and still have wide range available. For decades, "half
step plus granny" was the most capable touring gear setup. I liked it so
well I still have it on my most frequently ridden bikes.
But it is quirky! One friend of mine who was, back then, the technical
guru of another bike club, claimed that it was impossible for women to understand half step gearing. (!) He'd be pilloried for saying that today.
On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 11:56:09 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/29/2025 11:06 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 08:13:45 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
As for shifting on a bicycle, it's strictly personal preference and
not worth discussing.
Interesting. I've been involved in Usenet discussion groups since I
was running a B-News 2.10 and later INN (InterNetNews) server in 1985.
What attracted me to Usenet, as opposed to BBS (bulletin board
service) type discussion systems, was the limited use of moderation
and the general lack of censorship. It was easy to recognize the
first signs of censorship, such as this discussion on what is
considered appropriate topics for discussion, such as personal
shifting preferences. Such discussions usually ended quickly after
the participants recognized that they were engaging in a form of
censorship. Please try not to become part of the problem.
+1
A current subject in the morning news:
https://nypost.com/2025/04/29/us-news/mumford-amp-sons-alum-winston-marshall-asks-karoline-leavitt-about-free-speech/
The cure for 'bad' speech is more speech.
//
Marshall left music and went on to create a podcast, "Marshall
Matters," for The Spectator, a conservative British publication owned
by his father, Sir Paul Marshall.
//
Sounds like our corrupt far right justice system. Nothing like
nepotism to shield rich sociopaths.
I vote Trump takes all the British sociopaths in, and gives
them jobs. "GREAT" jobs, with "MASSIVE" salaries.
[]'s
On 4/29/2025 11:11 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 07:04:10 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
https://mydoctor.kaiserpermanente.org/mas/Images/thumbnail_large_Bike%20Helmet_tcm88-1757243.jpg
A helmet like this would be better:
<https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/bicycles/oddities/helmet.jpg>
Dorky headgear but a sharp looking bicycle!
On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 11:57:53 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/29/2025 11:11 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 07:04:10 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
https://mydoctor.kaiserpermanente.org/mas/Images/thumbnail_large_Bike%20Helmet_tcm88-1757243.jpg
A helmet like this would be better:
<https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/bicycles/oddities/helmet.jpg>
Dorky headgear but a sharp looking bicycle!
The bicycle looks something like a Flying Pigeon: <https://www.google.com/search?q=Flying%20Pigeon%20bicycle%20double%20top%20tube&udm=2>
The helmet looks like an improvised wheelbarrow conversion. I can't
tell from the photo, but there might some padding on top of the riders
head and perhaps a chin strap. Notice the forward facing pneumatic
shock absorber (rubber wheel), which will provide additional head
protection against the rider flying over the handlebars. The white
thobe is both practical and fashionable riding attire in some parts of
the planet:
<https://al-aniq.com/significance-of-white-thobes/>
On 4/29/2025 1:13 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
I generally consider engaging in "discussions" to be a waste of my
time.
And yet you hang around this _discussion_ group and snark at any post
that you don't like.
Have you considered getting a life?
On 4/29/2025 2:27 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 11:57:53 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/29/2025 11:11 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 07:04:10 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
https://mydoctor.kaiserpermanente.org/mas/Images/thumbnail_large_Bike%20Helmet_tcm88-1757243.jpg
A helmet like this would be better:
<https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/bicycles/oddities/helmet.jpg>
Dorky headgear but a sharp looking bicycle!
The bicycle looks something like a Flying Pigeon:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=Flying%20Pigeon%20bicycle%20double%20top%20tube&udm=2>
The helmet looks like an improvised wheelbarrow conversion. I can't
tell from the photo, but there might some padding on top of the riders
head and perhaps a chin strap. Notice the forward facing pneumatic
shock absorber (rubber wheel), which will provide additional head
protection against the rider flying over the handlebars. The white
thobe is both practical and fashionable riding attire in some parts of
the planet:
<https://al-aniq.com/significance-of-white-thobes/>
Flying Pigeons are crap, a mockery of an actual Raleigh DL-1:
https://www.dominicwinter.co.uk/Auction/Lot/601-raleigh-gentlemans-roadster/?lot=162879&sd=1
On 4/29/2025 12:23 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 10:55:48 -0400, Frank Krygowski:-) That's funny, given that you were among the people to whom I'd reply!
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
AFAIK I have never initiated a discussion on either guns or helmets.I didn't say you initiated them, I only said you'd gone on and on for
When others (like Mr. Tricycle Rider) have done so, I have responded. I
generally respond with data, often with citations of online data easily
available, but sometimes with citations of peer reviewed scientific papers. >>
weeks repeating your arguments over and over to anybody who'd reply to
them.
Let me explain that more slowly for you: It seems to me that YOU would
be among those posting and posting for weeks, attacking anything I'd
said. (John would be another.)
But you feel that my _replying_ to posts
was offensive.
That's weird.
On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 08:13:45 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
As for shifting on a bicycle, it's strictly personal preference and
not worth discussing.
Interesting. I've been involved in Usenet discussion groups since I
was running a B-News 2.10 and later INN (InterNetNews) server in 1985.
What attracted me to Usenet, as opposed to BBS (bulletin board
service) type discussion systems, was the limited use of moderation
and the general lack of censorship. It was easy to recognize the
first signs of censorship, such as this discussion on what is
considered appropriate topics for discussion, such as personal
shifting preferences. Such discussions usually ended quickly after
the participants recognized that they were engaging in a form of
censorship. Please try not to become part of the problem.
On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 11:56:09 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/29/2025 11:06 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 08:13:45 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
As for shifting on a bicycle, it's strictly personal preference and
not worth discussing.
Interesting. I've been involved in Usenet discussion groups since I
was running a B-News 2.10 and later INN (InterNetNews) server in 1985.
What attracted me to Usenet, as opposed to BBS (bulletin board
service) type discussion systems, was the limited use of moderation
and the general lack of censorship. It was easy to recognize the
first signs of censorship, such as this discussion on what is
considered appropriate topics for discussion, such as personal
shifting preferences. Such discussions usually ended quickly after
the participants recognized that they were engaging in a form of
censorship. Please try not to become part of the problem.
+1
A current subject in the morning news:
https://nypost.com/2025/04/29/us-news/mumford-amp-sons-alum-winston-marshall-asks-karoline-leavitt-about-free-speech/
The cure for 'bad' speech is more speech.
//
Marshall left music and went on to create a podcast, "Marshall
Matters," for The Spectator, a conservative British publication owned
by his father, Sir Paul Marshall.
//
Sounds like our corrupt far right justice system. Nothing like
nepotism to shield rich sociopaths.
I vote Trump takes all the British sociopaths in, and gives
them jobs. "GREAT" jobs, with "MASSIVE" salaries.
[]'s
On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 07:51:18 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 4/28/2025 5:34 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 14:51:25 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 4/28/2025 2:32 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 14:02:28 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> >>>>> wrote:
On 4/27/2025 9:26 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/27/2025 2:32 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 09:47:23 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>
He did dump the slushbox for an actual gearbox, which is nice. >>>>>>>>Yep. I looked around for a stick shift model. Except for my first >>>>>>>> car, all have been stick shifts. Driving an automatic makes me feel >>>>>>>> like I'm the passenger instead of the driver. With a stick shift, I'm
part of the machine. If I live long enough to need a new car, it will
probably be another stick shift.
I got in a conversation with a Tesla owner last week. He proudly showed >>>>>>> me a video shot from his driver's seat showing the car self-driving from
his garage to a coffee shop. The ultimate non-driving experience! >>>>>>>
I've never owned a car with automatic transmission. Of course, my >>>>>>> current EV has only one fixed ratio reduction gear, so I've moved beyond
playing with multiple ratios. Just step on the gas ... no, throttle ... >>>>>>> no, accelerator, and it goes.
Can you call it "stepping on the gas" in an EV?
"What phrase will replace "step on the gas!" once vehicles are all
electric?"
<https://www.quora.com/What-phrase-will-replace-step-on-the-gas-once-vehicles-are-all-electric>
"Step on the accelerator" seems to be the consensus, although "step on >>>>> the rotary encoder" would be more technically correct.
Let's just stick with the basics.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPjFoK4HOsw
Yep. A stick(y) accelerator can be a problem. Tesla recalled 3,878
Cybertrucks in 2024 for such sticky accelerator pedals.
<https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-cybertruck-sticking-pedal-unintended-acceleration-recall>
Did you check link? Sticky accelerators don't seem to be the issue.
"Tesla is recalling every Cybertruck it’s delivered over an
accelerator pedal that can become trapped in a depressed position,
creating an unintended acceleration risk that may lead to a
collision."
Close enough. To the average EV driver, stomping on the accelerator
is interchangeable with stomping on the pedal. Sticky pedal could
easily be interpreted as a sticky accelerator, much like sticking to
the basics. My apologies for the fun, errr... pun.
As for "basics", the last time I checked, rec.bicycles.tech was a
"tech" newsgroup which is the opposite of a "basics" group.
And we weren't discussing bicycle technology.
True. We were discussing EV's. However, considering the frequency of
off topic discussions in rec.bicycles.tech, I wouldn't fault anyone
for succumbing to the temptations of topic drift.
Model S
<https://service.tesla.com/docs/ModelS/ServiceManual/Palladium/en-us/GUID-45B8060C-F262-452F-9694-CFB7C87F33EC.html>
Model Y
<https://service.tesla.com/docs/ModelY/ServiceManual/en-us/GUID-8E18B453-7EBF-417C-B0C2-BC2CDAA2A1C1.html>
Marginally better photos:
<https://www.ebay.com/itm/144674953544>
It looks like a rotary encoder, but I'm not certain.
Half of my bikes are friction shifting, which is a vaguely similar issue
for discussion.
floriduh dumbass <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 28 Apr 2025 22:02:02 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 28 Apr 2025 16:47:54 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 28 Apr 2025 08:57:30 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>>
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/27/2025 2:32 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:Arguably Teslas are very much the IT company idea of car, folks who want to
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 09:47:23 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
He did dump the slushbox for an actual gearbox, which is nice. >>>>>>>>>Yep. I looked around for a stick shift model. Except for my first >>>>>>>>> car, all have been stick shifts. Driving an automatic makes me feel >>>>>>>>> like I'm the passenger instead of the driver. With a stick shift, I'm
part of the machine. If I live long enough to need a new car, it will
probably be another stick shift.
I got in a conversation with a Tesla owner last week. He proudly showed
me a video shot from his driver's seat showing the car self-driving from
his garage to a coffee shop. The ultimate non-driving experience! >>>>>>>
experience driving aren?t likely to be their customers, lane assist seems
to help on motorways and similar.
I?m unconvinced that self driving will fully get there I?m told that Tesla
isn?t the best in this category.
I?d say that be more fixed bikes which are more into ?feel the force Luke?
I've never owned a car with automatic transmission. Of course, my >>>>>>>> current EV has only one fixed ratio reduction gear, so I've moved beyond
playing with multiple ratios. Just step on the gas ... no, throttle ...
no, accelerator, and it goes.
Half of my bikes are friction shifting, which is a vaguely similar issue
for discussion.
in that they do feel very different and connected, vs index or fixed >>>>>>> shifting.
Roger Merriman
Perhaps the clutch and stick shifts are better for noisy acceleration >>>>>> with squealing tires, but I outgrew that long ago. On the other hand, >>>>>> for driving in heavy stop and go traffic I favor the automatic
transmission. As for preference, it's not a factor my wife and I would >>>>>> even contemplate when buying a vehicle since we both are comfortable >>>>>> with either one.
For my uses though my car is an automatic, which aren?t that common in the
uk, but does make for an easy comfortable car, which is kinda of its >>>>> purpose.
I?d say a EV is likely to be the easiest in stop start traffic, as doesn?t
need to shift.
I marginally would like a manual for more engine braking when in Wales as >>>>> they do steep, but the Volvos have much more impressive brakes than cars or
old so seems to be non issue.
Related the gorge I grew up in, used to see lorries in the sand pit often >>>>> on fire as they had cooked the brakes, doesn?t seem to be a thing now. >>>>>>
As for shifting on a bicycle, it's strictly personal preference and >>>>>> not worth discussing.I disagree this being a bike tech group well worth discussion even if it is
just preference.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
Very few, perhaps, no-one is going to change their minds about their
bicycling preferences in a forum of old, long-time bicyclists. Arguing >>>> that "my way" is better than "your way" is irritating.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I dont think anyone is trying to change folks opinion or habits, but might
share experience and knowledge on different technologies, youre definitely
over thinking this.
Roger Merriman
When I see someone say, "lets discuss something," it generally means
"I disagree with you and I want to argue with you about it."
At some
point in the "discussion," the person who initiated the discussion
will likely challenge the other guy to defend his preferences.
I'm not interested in discussing (arguing) because I'm not susceptible
to be influenced nor have I interest in changing anyone else's mind.
On 4/28/2025 10:21 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/28/2025 8:47 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
On the other hand, if you want to experience the depths of true "off",
just let that atavistic 12V battery run down, and prepare to find an
experienced mechanic with a jump starter just to get the door open,
never mind rolling down the windows.
I've had two 12V battery incidents with my Kia EV. Despite having a 64
kw-hr battery full of electrons (at something over 300V), the car
would not start. Some parasitic loss had drained the very conventional
12V battery down to a voltage too low to fire up* the electronics. One
was a complete mystery, the other was a device plugged into an outlet
within the car.
I happened to have a spare motorcycle battery on hand and charged. I
used that to "jump" the car's 12V battery, and all was well. It
doesn't seem to require much current to kick the electronics awake,
energize the relays, etc.
The car does have a "utility mode" in which the big traction battery
tends the 12V. That's mostly intended for things like camping, where
one might run lights, etc. off the 12V.
(* Note the archaic term still in use: "fire up," as with a steam
engine.)
My cars will bump start on a small incline or with two guys pushing on
flat ground.
On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 11:57:53 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/29/2025 11:11 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 07:04:10 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
https://mydoctor.kaiserpermanente.org/mas/Images/thumbnail_large_Bike%20Helmet_tcm88-1757243.jpg
A helmet like this would be better:
<https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/bicycles/oddities/helmet.jpg>
Dorky headgear but a sharp looking bicycle!
The bicycle looks something like a Flying Pigeon: <https://www.google.com/search?q=Flying%20Pigeon%20bicycle%20double%20top%20tube&udm=2>
The helmet looks like an improvised wheelbarrow conversion. I can't
tell from the photo, but there might some padding on top of the riders
head and perhaps a chin strap. Notice the forward facing pneumatic
shock absorber (rubber wheel), which will provide additional head
protection against the rider flying over the handlebars. The white
thobe is both practical and fashionable riding attire in some parts of
the planet:
<https://al-aniq.com/significance-of-white-thobes/>
floriduh dumbass <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 28 Apr 2025 22:02:02 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 28 Apr 2025 16:47:54 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 28 Apr 2025 08:57:30 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>>>
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/27/2025 2:32 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:Arguably Teslas are very much the IT company idea of car, folks who want to
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 09:47:23 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
He did dump the slushbox for an actual gearbox, which is nice. >>>>>>>>>>Yep. I looked around for a stick shift model. Except for my first >>>>>>>>>> car, all have been stick shifts. Driving an automatic makes me feel >>>>>>>>>> like I'm the passenger instead of the driver. With a stick shift, I'm
part of the machine. If I live long enough to need a new car, it will
probably be another stick shift.
I got in a conversation with a Tesla owner last week. He proudly showed
me a video shot from his driver's seat showing the car self-driving from
his garage to a coffee shop. The ultimate non-driving experience! >>>>>>>>
experience driving aren?t likely to be their customers, lane assist seems
to help on motorways and similar.
I?m unconvinced that self driving will fully get there I?m told that Tesla
isn?t the best in this category.
I?d say that be more fixed bikes which are more into ?feel the force Luke?
I've never owned a car with automatic transmission. Of course, my >>>>>>>>> current EV has only one fixed ratio reduction gear, so I've moved beyond
playing with multiple ratios. Just step on the gas ... no, throttle ...
no, accelerator, and it goes.
Half of my bikes are friction shifting, which is a vaguely similar issue
for discussion.
in that they do feel very different and connected, vs index or fixed >>>>>>>> shifting.
Roger Merriman
Perhaps the clutch and stick shifts are better for noisy acceleration >>>>>>> with squealing tires, but I outgrew that long ago. On the other hand, >>>>>>> for driving in heavy stop and go traffic I favor the automatic
transmission. As for preference, it's not a factor my wife and I would >>>>>>> even contemplate when buying a vehicle since we both are comfortable >>>>>>> with either one.
For my uses though my car is an automatic, which aren?t that common in the
uk, but does make for an easy comfortable car, which is kinda of its >>>>>> purpose.
I?d say a EV is likely to be the easiest in stop start traffic, as doesn?t
need to shift.
I marginally would like a manual for more engine braking when in Wales as
they do steep, but the Volvos have much more impressive brakes than cars or
old so seems to be non issue.
Related the gorge I grew up in, used to see lorries in the sand pit often
on fire as they had cooked the brakes, doesn?t seem to be a thing now. >>>>>>>
As for shifting on a bicycle, it's strictly personal preference and >>>>>>> not worth discussing.I disagree this being a bike tech group well worth discussion even if it is
just preference.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
Very few, perhaps, no-one is going to change their minds about their >>>>> bicycling preferences in a forum of old, long-time bicyclists. Arguing >>>>> that "my way" is better than "your way" is irritating.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I don?t think anyone is trying to change folks opinion or habits, but might
share experience and knowledge on different technologies, you?re definitely
over thinking this.
Roger Merriman
When I see someone say, "lets discuss something," it generally means
"I disagree with you and I want to argue with you about it."
That's because you're a willfully ignorant asshole. For the rest of us
"let's discuss (x)" means an open exchange of ideas and opinions.
At some
point in the "discussion," the person who initiated the discussion
will likely challenge the other guy to defend his preferences.
That's because you're a willfully ignorant asshole. For the rest of us,
when someone asks "how did you come to that conclusion?" it's a
legitimate attempt to understand the other persons rationale.
I'm not interested in discussing (arguing) because I'm not susceptible
to be influenced nor have I interest in changing anyone else's mind.
That's because you're a willfully ignorant asshole. For the rest of us,
it's an opportunity to possibly hear a different perspective or even
(god forbid in your case) learn something.
You have no interest in discussing anything - iow, you have no more
purpose in this discussion forum than tits on a bull.
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> writes:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 11:57:53 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/29/2025 11:11 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 07:04:10 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
https://mydoctor.kaiserpermanente.org/mas/Images/thumbnail_large_Bike%20Helmet_tcm88-1757243.jpg
A helmet like this would be better:
<https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/bicycles/oddities/helmet.jpg>
Dorky headgear but a sharp looking bicycle!
The bicycle looks something like a Flying Pigeon:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=Flying%20Pigeon%20bicycle%20double%20top%20tube&udm=2>
The helmet looks like an improvised wheelbarrow conversion. I can't
tell from the photo, but there might some padding on top of the riders
head and perhaps a chin strap. Notice the forward facing pneumatic
shock absorber (rubber wheel), which will provide additional head
protection against the rider flying over the handlebars. The white
thobe is both practical and fashionable riding attire in some parts of
the planet:
<https://al-aniq.com/significance-of-white-thobes/>
Not a thobe -- two parts, trousers. He's wearing a shalwar kameez,
perhaps in Pakistan or Afghanistan.
On 4/29/2025 1:35 PM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Am Mon, 28 Apr 2025 23:09:18 -0400 schrieb Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>:
Huh. I have never had a problem figuring where my desired gear was.
I didn't either, most of the time. But didn't you have to shift very
fast, perhaps more than one step at a time, sometimes?
Yes, sometimes, for some low value of "very fast." Probably the most
common example would occur when riding tandem with my wife. Still, it's
not been a problem.
It
may be because I seem to be very tolerant of gear ratios, cadences, etc.
Perhaps. One possible explanation would be that you are riding well
below your capacity.
It's true that I don't race, so I always have capacity in reserve.
I've
gotten slower as I've aged, and I think I may be the oldest among those
I normally ride with; but I'm among the faster members of the usual
group. Maybe the key is choosing the proper group to ride with!
On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 19:52:43 -0400, Radey Shouman
<shouman@comcast.net> wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> writes:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 11:57:53 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 4/29/2025 11:11 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 07:04:10 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
https://mydoctor.kaiserpermanente.org/mas/Images/thumbnail_large_Bike%20Helmet_tcm88-1757243.jpg
A helmet like this would be better:
<https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/bicycles/oddities/helmet.jpg>
Dorky headgear but a sharp looking bicycle!
The bicycle looks something like a Flying Pigeon:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=Flying%20Pigeon%20bicycle%20double%20top%20tube&udm=2>
The helmet looks like an improvised wheelbarrow conversion. I can't
tell from the photo, but there might some padding on top of the riders
head and perhaps a chin strap. Notice the forward facing pneumatic
shock absorber (rubber wheel), which will provide additional head
protection against the rider flying over the handlebars. The white
thobe is both practical and fashionable riding attire in some parts of
the planet:
<https://al-aniq.com/significance-of-white-thobes/>
Not a thobe -- two parts, trousers. He's wearing a shalwar kameez,
perhaps in Pakistan or Afghanistan.
Thanks. That seems correct. (I'm obviously not an expert on Muslim fashions):
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shalwar_kameez>
"Shalwars have been traditionally worn in a wide region which includes Eastern Europe, West Asia, Central Asia, and South Asia. The kameez is
a long shirt or tunic."
Southern Asia includes Pakistan and Afghanistan: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Asia>
However, I believe it is acceptable to wear a thobe over pants: <https://www.google.com/search?q=two%20piece%20thobe&udm=2>
On 4/28/2025 10:09 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/28/2025 3:19 PM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Am Sun, 27 Apr 2025 21:26:23 -0400 schrieb Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>:
I've never owned a car with automatic transmission. Of course, my
current EV has only one fixed ratio reduction gear, so I've moved
beyond
playing with multiple ratios. Just step on the gas ... no, throttle ... >>>> no, accelerator, and it goes.
Half of my bikes are friction shifting, which is a vaguely similar
issue
for discussion.
I never owned a car with automatic transmission, either. If I rent a
car, I don't care, but why should I get used to something that I don't
need and that only costs money?
We still own a car manufactured 25 years ago, that we bought 20 years
ago, for less money than we spent for the parts of the two bikes I built >>> in early 2023. A car that is driven infrequently, carefully and only on >>> a few long journeys and that is properly maintained can last that long - >>> at least some of those produced before 2000 do.
Here in Northeast Ohio, it's difficult for a car to last that long
even if given normal good care and driven infrequently. That would
have described "the pinnacle of automotive achievement," the 1990
Honda Civic Station Wagon that I sold when it was over 21 years old.
It was a quirky thing, fun to drive, efficient, with surprising
carrying capacity. But "rust never sleeps" as Neil Young said. I'll
skip the long list of seriously rusted bits that caused me to finally
give up on the car. (But have you ever had a car's gas tank drop due
to rusted and broken support straps?)
Our bikes have wireless electronic 1x12 shifting with two simple
switches. It isn't automatic, if you take it literally, but simple
enough. My wife likes it, and so do I. I see no value in memorizing
irregular gear ratios or guessing these on the fly while riding. I can
do that but don't miss it.
Huh. I have never had a problem figuring where my desired gear was. It
may be because I seem to be very tolerant of gear ratios, cadences,
etc. But my three friction shifting bikes all have essentially
identical "half step" gearing, so I'm very, very used to that.
"have you ever had a car's gas tank drop due to rusted and broken
support straps?"
more than once.
https://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/NOVATANK.JPG
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> writes:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 19:52:43 -0400, Radey Shouman
<shouman@comcast.net> wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> writes:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 11:57:53 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>
On 4/29/2025 11:11 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 07:04:10 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
https://mydoctor.kaiserpermanente.org/mas/Images/thumbnail_large_Bike%20Helmet_tcm88-1757243.jpg
A helmet like this would be better:
<https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/bicycles/oddities/helmet.jpg>
Dorky headgear but a sharp looking bicycle!
The bicycle looks something like a Flying Pigeon:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=Flying%20Pigeon%20bicycle%20double%20top%20tube&udm=2>
The helmet looks like an improvised wheelbarrow conversion. I can't
tell from the photo, but there might some padding on top of the riders >>>> head and perhaps a chin strap. Notice the forward facing pneumatic
shock absorber (rubber wheel), which will provide additional head
protection against the rider flying over the handlebars. The white
thobe is both practical and fashionable riding attire in some parts of >>>> the planet:
<https://al-aniq.com/significance-of-white-thobes/>
Not a thobe -- two parts, trousers. He's wearing a shalwar kameez,
perhaps in Pakistan or Afghanistan.
Thanks. That seems correct. (I'm obviously not an expert on Muslim
fashions):
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shalwar_kameez>
"Shalwars have been traditionally worn in a wide region which includes
Eastern Europe, West Asia, Central Asia, and South Asia. The kameez is
a long shirt or tunic."
Southern Asia includes Pakistan and Afghanistan:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Asia>
However, I believe it is acceptable to wear a thobe over pants:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=two%20piece%20thobe&udm=2>
Those pictures do not look like what is called a "thobe" on the Arabian peninsula, which falls to close to the ankles, more or less. Perhaps
"thobe" has multiple meanings in different countries, like "jumper" has
in English.
Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> writes:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 19:52:43 -0400, Radey Shouman
<shouman@comcast.net> wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> writes:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 11:57:53 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>
On 4/29/2025 11:11 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 07:04:10 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
https://mydoctor.kaiserpermanente.org/mas/Images/thumbnail_large_Bike%20Helmet_tcm88-1757243.jpg
A helmet like this would be better:
<https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/bicycles/oddities/helmet.jpg>
Dorky headgear but a sharp looking bicycle!
The bicycle looks something like a Flying Pigeon:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=Flying%20Pigeon%20bicycle%20double%20top%20tube&udm=2>
The helmet looks like an improvised wheelbarrow conversion. I can't >>>>> tell from the photo, but there might some padding on top of the riders >>>>> head and perhaps a chin strap. Notice the forward facing pneumatic
shock absorber (rubber wheel), which will provide additional head
protection against the rider flying over the handlebars. The white
thobe is both practical and fashionable riding attire in some parts of >>>>> the planet:
<https://al-aniq.com/significance-of-white-thobes/>
Not a thobe -- two parts, trousers. He's wearing a shalwar kameez,
perhaps in Pakistan or Afghanistan.
Thanks. That seems correct. (I'm obviously not an expert on Muslim
fashions):
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shalwar_kameez>
"Shalwars have been traditionally worn in a wide region which includes
Eastern Europe, West Asia, Central Asia, and South Asia. The kameez is
a long shirt or tunic."
Southern Asia includes Pakistan and Afghanistan:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Asia>
However, I believe it is acceptable to wear a thobe over pants:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=two%20piece%20thobe&udm=2>
Those pictures do not look like what is called a "thobe" on the Arabian
peninsula, which falls to close to the ankles, more or less. Perhaps
"thobe" has multiple meanings in different countries, like "jumper" has
in English.
Language has that quality, even if it nominally is the same language, Welsh Now just means yup I’ve heard you it’s on my list!
Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> writes:
Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> writes:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 19:52:43 -0400, Radey Shouman
<shouman@comcast.net> wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> writes:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 11:57:53 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>
On 4/29/2025 11:11 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 07:04:10 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
https://mydoctor.kaiserpermanente.org/mas/Images/thumbnail_large_Bike%20Helmet_tcm88-1757243.jpg
A helmet like this would be better:
<https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/bicycles/oddities/helmet.jpg>
Dorky headgear but a sharp looking bicycle!
The bicycle looks something like a Flying Pigeon:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=Flying%20Pigeon%20bicycle%20double%20top%20tube&udm=2>
The helmet looks like an improvised wheelbarrow conversion. I can't >>>>>> tell from the photo, but there might some padding on top of the riders >>>>>> head and perhaps a chin strap. Notice the forward facing pneumatic >>>>>> shock absorber (rubber wheel), which will provide additional head
protection against the rider flying over the handlebars. The white >>>>>> thobe is both practical and fashionable riding attire in some parts of >>>>>> the planet:
<https://al-aniq.com/significance-of-white-thobes/>
Not a thobe -- two parts, trousers. He's wearing a shalwar kameez,
perhaps in Pakistan or Afghanistan.
Thanks. That seems correct. (I'm obviously not an expert on Muslim
fashions):
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shalwar_kameez>
"Shalwars have been traditionally worn in a wide region which includes >>>> Eastern Europe, West Asia, Central Asia, and South Asia. The kameez is >>>> a long shirt or tunic."
Southern Asia includes Pakistan and Afghanistan:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Asia>
However, I believe it is acceptable to wear a thobe over pants:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=two%20piece%20thobe&udm=2>
Those pictures do not look like what is called a "thobe" on the Arabian
peninsula, which falls to close to the ankles, more or less. Perhaps
"thobe" has multiple meanings in different countries, like "jumper" has
in English.
Language has that quality, even if it nominally is the same language, Welsh >> Now just means yup I’ve heard you it’s on my list!
No idea on shades of immediacy in Wales. I do know that "pants" sounds
quite different in the UK than it does in the US.
Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> wrote:
Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> writes:
Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> writes:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 19:52:43 -0400, Radey Shouman
<shouman@comcast.net> wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> writes:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 11:57:53 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>
On 4/29/2025 11:11 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 07:04:10 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
https://mydoctor.kaiserpermanente.org/mas/Images/thumbnail_large_Bike%20Helmet_tcm88-1757243.jpg
A helmet like this would be better:
<https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/bicycles/oddities/helmet.jpg>
Dorky headgear but a sharp looking bicycle!
The bicycle looks something like a Flying Pigeon:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=Flying%20Pigeon%20bicycle%20double%20top%20tube&udm=2>
The helmet looks like an improvised wheelbarrow conversion. I can't >>>>>>> tell from the photo, but there might some padding on top of the riders >>>>>>> head and perhaps a chin strap. Notice the forward facing pneumatic >>>>>>> shock absorber (rubber wheel), which will provide additional head >>>>>>> protection against the rider flying over the handlebars. The white >>>>>>> thobe is both practical and fashionable riding attire in some parts of >>>>>>> the planet:
<https://al-aniq.com/significance-of-white-thobes/>
Not a thobe -- two parts, trousers. He's wearing a shalwar kameez, >>>>>> perhaps in Pakistan or Afghanistan.
Thanks. That seems correct. (I'm obviously not an expert on Muslim >>>>> fashions):
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shalwar_kameez>
"Shalwars have been traditionally worn in a wide region which includes >>>>> Eastern Europe, West Asia, Central Asia, and South Asia. The kameez is >>>>> a long shirt or tunic."
Southern Asia includes Pakistan and Afghanistan:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Asia>
However, I believe it is acceptable to wear a thobe over pants:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=two%20piece%20thobe&udm=2>
Those pictures do not look like what is called a "thobe" on the Arabian >>>> peninsula, which falls to close to the ankles, more or less. Perhaps
"thobe" has multiple meanings in different countries, like "jumper" has >>>> in English.
Language has that quality, even if it nominally is the same language, Welsh >>> Now just means yup I’ve heard you it’s on my list!
No idea on shades of immediacy in Wales. I do know that "pants" sounds
quite different in the UK than it does in the US.
Yup underwear!
For a uk audience it would signify that it’s intended for a Us market or hadn’t bothered to think beyond a US market, which may or may not matter.
For example remember some MTB tyre range being launched and UK Journalists asking where the wet conditions tyres were? As US and to be fair number of European brands are based in much dryer places that tend to dry dusty conditions, rather than slop!
Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> writes:
Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> wrote:
Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> writes:
Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> writes:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 19:52:43 -0400, Radey Shouman
<shouman@comcast.net> wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> writes:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 11:57:53 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>
On 4/29/2025 11:11 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 07:04:10 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
https://mydoctor.kaiserpermanente.org/mas/Images/thumbnail_large_Bike%20Helmet_tcm88-1757243.jpg
A helmet like this would be better:
<https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/bicycles/oddities/helmet.jpg>
Dorky headgear but a sharp looking bicycle!
The bicycle looks something like a Flying Pigeon:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=Flying%20Pigeon%20bicycle%20double%20top%20tube&udm=2>
The helmet looks like an improvised wheelbarrow conversion. I can't >>>>>>>> tell from the photo, but there might some padding on top of the riders >>>>>>>> head and perhaps a chin strap. Notice the forward facing pneumatic >>>>>>>> shock absorber (rubber wheel), which will provide additional head >>>>>>>> protection against the rider flying over the handlebars. The white >>>>>>>> thobe is both practical and fashionable riding attire in some parts of >>>>>>>> the planet:
<https://al-aniq.com/significance-of-white-thobes/>
Not a thobe -- two parts, trousers. He's wearing a shalwar kameez, >>>>>>> perhaps in Pakistan or Afghanistan.
Thanks. That seems correct. (I'm obviously not an expert on Muslim >>>>>> fashions):
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shalwar_kameez>
"Shalwars have been traditionally worn in a wide region which includes >>>>>> Eastern Europe, West Asia, Central Asia, and South Asia. The kameez is >>>>>> a long shirt or tunic."
Southern Asia includes Pakistan and Afghanistan:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Asia>
However, I believe it is acceptable to wear a thobe over pants:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=two%20piece%20thobe&udm=2>
Those pictures do not look like what is called a "thobe" on the Arabian >>>>> peninsula, which falls to close to the ankles, more or less. Perhaps >>>>> "thobe" has multiple meanings in different countries, like "jumper" has >>>>> in English.
Language has that quality, even if it nominally is the same language, Welsh
Now just means yup I’ve heard you it’s on my list!
No idea on shades of immediacy in Wales. I do know that "pants" sounds
quite different in the UK than it does in the US.
Yup underwear!
And, if I understand correctly, a term of general abuse: "Flying
Pigeons are pants".
See also "suspenders" and "vest".
For a uk audience it would signify that it’s intended for a Us market or >> hadn’t bothered to think beyond a US market, which may or may not matter. >>
For example remember some MTB tyre range being launched and UK Journalists >> asking where the wet conditions tyres were? As US and to be fair number of >> European brands are based in much dryer places that tend to dry dusty
conditions, rather than slop!
They might not have had tires for wet conditions, which would have been
hard to change. Getting the diction right ought to be simpler, but
does still go wrong.
On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 16:32:54 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/29/2025 12:23 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 10:55:48 -0400, Frank Krygowski:-) That's funny, given that you were among the people to whom I'd reply!
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
AFAIK I have never initiated a discussion on either guns or helmets.
When others (like Mr. Tricycle Rider) have done so, I have responded. I >>>> generally respond with data, often with citations of online data easily >>>> available, but sometimes with citations of peer reviewed scientific papers.
I didn't say you initiated them, I only said you'd gone on and on for
weeks repeating your arguments over and over to anybody who'd reply to
them.
Let me explain that more slowly for you: It seems to me that YOU would
be among those posting and posting for weeks, attacking anything I'd
said. (John would be another.)
I make fun of your posts, but I don't make much of an effort to argue
with you. I don't care what you do and say unless your posts are
dripping with narcissism. I dislike braggarts and liars and I enjoy
calling them out.
But you feel that my _replying_ to posts
was offensive.
Oh contraire.. I find your posts to be great entertainment. I
sometimes relate them to my wife and she laughs at you, too.
That's weird.
How about you? Do you show my posts relating to your personality
issues to your wife?
On 4/30/2025 3:10 AM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Am Tue, 29 Apr 2025 16:27:05 -0400 schrieb Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>:
I've
gotten slower as I've aged, and I think I may be the oldest among those
I normally ride with; but I'm among the faster members of the usual
group. Maybe the key is choosing the proper group to ride with!
I don't do group riding, never did. Most people in Germany don't. The
bicycle is mostly a means of transport, for us.
I just finished another club ride, with a snack afterward. Definitely a social situation, with lots of conversation. A beautiful day, nice roads
in rural territory, very pleasant. I think there were 13 people on the ride.
These rides make up the bulk of annual riding for almost all members of
our club. The group on this ride were almost all retirees, and it seems
to be their main form of recreation. I'm unusual in that I have other
outdoor activities I also do regularly.
I'm even more unusual in that I do use my bikes for utility purposes - transportation to the grocery or other stores, the library, friends'
houses, etc. and in the past, transportation to work. This is so unusual
here that it draws comments from other cyclists and has triggered my
being interviewed by news outlets!
America is different from Germany.
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/30/2025 3:10 AM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:North America is to be very car centric, other places while they absolutely >have cars, they never went to the same extent, hence while my work
Am Tue, 29 Apr 2025 16:27:05 -0400 schrieb Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>:
I've
gotten slower as I've aged, and I think I may be the oldest among those >>>> I normally ride with; but I'm among the faster members of the usual
group. Maybe the key is choosing the proper group to ride with!
I don't do group riding, never did. Most people in Germany don't. The
bicycle is mostly a means of transport, for us.
I just finished another club ride, with a snack afterward. Definitely a
social situation, with lots of conversation. A beautiful day, nice roads
in rural territory, very pleasant. I think there were 13 people on the ride. >>
These rides make up the bulk of annual riding for almost all members of
our club. The group on this ride were almost all retirees, and it seems
to be their main form of recreation. I'm unusual in that I have other
outdoor activities I also do regularly.
I'm even more unusual in that I do use my bikes for utility purposes -
transportation to the grocery or other stores, the library, friends'
houses, etc. and in the past, transportation to work. This is so unusual
here that it draws comments from other cyclists and has triggered my
being interviewed by news outlets!
America is different from Germany.
colleagues might of noted the distance I commute, Id also really not get >into any news outlets as its just a non story.
I tend to predominately use my bike for leisure bar the commute, but then >London is quite walkable.
for example I dropped a bike off at the bike stop yesterday for some >fettling, sat in the cafe to have lunch next to the hairdressers and dry >cleaners. With the pharmacy and bakers opposite, today after some garden
work I again walked to the small supermarket and on way back sat in the
cafe for a short while watching the world go by.
There is a bigger shopping town centre a quick bus/train trip away if I >need something there or just want to have a wander.
I will need to take the car to go to see a film at the cinema or rather
its more convenient to do so, as occasionally is the way with living on
the edge of london.
Roger Merriman
Our culture has embraced road salt, excessively and
maniacally, with predictable results.
On 30 Apr 2025 21:08:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/30/2025 3:10 AM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:North America is to be very car centric, other places while they absolutely >> have cars, they never went to the same extent, hence while my work
Am Tue, 29 Apr 2025 16:27:05 -0400 schrieb Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>:
I've
gotten slower as I've aged, and I think I may be the oldest among those >>>>> I normally ride with; but I'm among the faster members of the usual
group. Maybe the key is choosing the proper group to ride with!
I don't do group riding, never did. Most people in Germany don't. The >>>> bicycle is mostly a means of transport, for us.
I just finished another club ride, with a snack afterward. Definitely a
social situation, with lots of conversation. A beautiful day, nice roads >>> in rural territory, very pleasant. I think there were 13 people on the ride.
These rides make up the bulk of annual riding for almost all members of
our club. The group on this ride were almost all retirees, and it seems
to be their main form of recreation. I'm unusual in that I have other
outdoor activities I also do regularly.
I'm even more unusual in that I do use my bikes for utility purposes -
transportation to the grocery or other stores, the library, friends'
houses, etc. and in the past, transportation to work. This is so unusual >>> here that it draws comments from other cyclists and has triggered my
being interviewed by news outlets!
America is different from Germany.
colleagues might of noted the distance I commute, Id also really not get >> into any news outlets as its just a non story.
I tend to predominately use my bike for leisure bar the commute, but then
London is quite walkable.
for example I dropped a bike off at the bike stop yesterday for some
fettling, sat in the cafe to have lunch next to the hairdressers and dry
cleaners. With the pharmacy and bakers opposite, today after some garden
work I again walked to the small supermarket and on way back sat in the
cafe for a short while watching the world go by.
There is a bigger shopping town centre a quick bus/train trip away if I >> need something there or just want to have a wander.
I will need to take the car to go to see a film at the cinema or rather
its more convenient to do so, as occasionally is the way with living on
the edge of london.
Roger Merriman
I've never done a group ride and I never will. My rides are strictly recreation these days and I always ride solo. The only other persons
I've ever ridden with are my wife, my kids, and grandkids. I hate
following, being followed, or have another rider beside me. I've had
people ask to ride with me but I explain that neither of us would like
that. Back when I rode faster I had people draft me but if I couldn't
drop them, I slow down or stop.
I tried biking to the grocery and I bought a nice Topeak basket for
the Catrike, but it was not to my liking. I did it a couple of times
and now the basket is on the shelf full of parts and stuff. I try to
get in a ride every five days or so, but I have many other projects to
attend to.
I've been doing 50 miles. My last ride in 90+ heat really wore me
down, so I may do less tomorrow.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 30 Apr 2025 21:08:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 4/30/2025 3:10 AM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:North America is to be very car centric, other places while they absolutely >>> have cars, they never went to the same extent, hence while my work
Am Tue, 29 Apr 2025 16:27:05 -0400 schrieb Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>:
I've
gotten slower as I've aged, and I think I may be the oldest among those >>>>>> I normally ride with; but I'm among the faster members of the usual >>>>>> group. Maybe the key is choosing the proper group to ride with!
I don't do group riding, never did. Most people in Germany don't. The >>>>> bicycle is mostly a means of transport, for us.
I just finished another club ride, with a snack afterward. Definitely a >>>> social situation, with lots of conversation. A beautiful day, nice roads >>>> in rural territory, very pleasant. I think there were 13 people on the ride.
These rides make up the bulk of annual riding for almost all members of >>>> our club. The group on this ride were almost all retirees, and it seems >>>> to be their main form of recreation. I'm unusual in that I have other
outdoor activities I also do regularly.
I'm even more unusual in that I do use my bikes for utility purposes - >>>> transportation to the grocery or other stores, the library, friends'
houses, etc. and in the past, transportation to work. This is so unusual >>>> here that it draws comments from other cyclists and has triggered my
being interviewed by news outlets!
America is different from Germany.
colleagues might of noted the distance I commute, I?d also really not get >>> into any news outlets as it?s just a non story.
I tend to predominately use my bike for leisure bar the commute, but then >>> London is quite walkable.
for example I dropped a bike off at the bike stop yesterday for some
fettling, sat in the cafe to have lunch next to the hairdressers and dry >>> cleaners. With the pharmacy and bakers opposite, today after some garden >>> work I again walked to the small supermarket and on way back sat in the
cafe for a short while watching the world go by.
There is a bigger shopping ?town? centre a quick bus/train trip away if I >>> need something there or just want to have a wander.
I will need to take the car to go to see a film at the cinema or rather
it?s more convenient to do so, as occasionally is the way with living on >>> the edge of london.
Roger Merriman
I've never done a group ride and I never will. My rides are strictly
recreation these days and I always ride solo. The only other persons
I've ever ridden with are my wife, my kids, and grandkids. I hate
following, being followed, or have another rider beside me. I've had
people ask to ride with me but I explain that neither of us would like
that. Back when I rode faster I had people draft me but if I couldn't
drop them, I slow down or stop.
Club riders are relatively low % of cyclists Id assume everywhere, its
more of roadie thing for fairly good reasons.
Folks drafting that you dont know, Im not wild on either nor is it a >uncommon emotion, its not as bad as motorist tailgating in terms of risks, >in that if they do touch your rear wheel its far more likely that they
will crash than you would this said did have to rescue my wife once as some >joker (with no brakes!) had drafted her to the park entrance as she stopped >as expected, to pass though his bike managed to trash her bikes rear mech!
I tried biking to the grocery and I bought a nice Topeak basket for
the Catrike, but it was not to my liking. I did it a couple of times
and now the basket is on the shelf full of parts and stuff. I try to
get in a ride every five days or so, but I have many other projects to
attend to.
I dont tend to either as well its easier on foot, as and when Im doing >other stuff on foot. And much less faff.
I've been doing 50 miles. My last ride in 90+ heat really wore me
down, so I may do less tomorrow.
Potentially might hit that tomorrow in London though fatigue dependant Im >hoping on a ride on the MTB on the ridgeway which if I can would be lovely >plus test out new pedals.
Should be bit lower there though very little cover though I will stop at >Weylands Smithy for a sit in the shade and a bar.
<https://www.english-heritage.org.uk/visit/places/waylands-smithy/>
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
America is different from Germany.
On 4/30/2025 3:10 AM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Am Tue, 29 Apr 2025 16:27:05 -0400 schrieb Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>:
I've
gotten slower as I've aged, and I think I may be the oldest among those
I normally ride with; but I'm among the faster members of the usual
group. Maybe the key is choosing the proper group to ride with!
I don't do group riding, never did. Most people in Germany don't. The
bicycle is mostly a means of transport, for us.
I just finished another club ride, with a snack afterward. Definitely a >social situation, with lots of conversation. A beautiful day, nice roads
in rural territory, very pleasant. I think there were 13 people on the ride.
These rides make up the bulk of annual riding for almost all members of
our club. The group on this ride were almost all retirees, and it seems
to be their main form of recreation. I'm unusual in that I have other
outdoor activities I also do regularly.
I'm even more unusual in that I do use my bikes for utility purposes - >transportation to the grocery or other stores, the library, friends'
houses, etc. and in the past, transportation to work. This is so unusual
here that it draws comments from other cyclists and has triggered my
being interviewed by news outlets!
America is different from Germany.
Am Wed, 30 Apr 2025 16:17:50 -0400 schrieb Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>:
On 4/30/2025 3:10 AM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Am Tue, 29 Apr 2025 16:27:05 -0400 schrieb Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>:
I've
gotten slower as I've aged, and I think I may be the oldest among those >>>> I normally ride with; but I'm among the faster members of the usual
group. Maybe the key is choosing the proper group to ride with!
I don't do group riding, never did. Most people in Germany don't. The
bicycle is mostly a means of transport, for us.
I just finished another club ride, with a snack afterward. Definitely a
social situation, with lots of conversation. A beautiful day, nice roads
in rural territory, very pleasant. I think there were 13 people on the ride.
When doing one of my leisure rides through the area, I mostly meet
couples and families, groups are rare, on comparison. Further out in
the countryside, I mainly meet single people or couples on racing bikes.
When walking to the bakery or to the physical therapy studio early in
the morning, when school begins, I see lots of students of all ages that cycle to school. Some of them ride alone, some in pairs, some in groups.
These rides make up the bulk of annual riding for almost all members of
our club. The group on this ride were almost all retirees, and it seems
to be their main form of recreation. I'm unusual in that I have other
outdoor activities I also do regularly.
There are bicycle clubs in Germany, almost all of them members of the national biycle club and bound to its rules <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Cycling_Federation>
("Bund Deutscher Radfahrer", BDR), a member of the UCI.
When our children where young, we considered getting a club membership
in a local club for them. We lost interest when we where told about a
strict helmet law: nor helmet, no rides - at a time when only the very
small minority of organzized bicyclists in Germany and other European countries used bicycle helmets.
People do leisure rides all the time in small groups, mostly families
with children, couples old and young. I remember organizing a bicycle
tour including a picnic when one of our sons celebrated his birthday -
about a dozen children on small bicycles. Part of the fun was inspecting
and adjusting the bicyles parked in a line in front of the house. :-)
Nice memories ...
I'm even more unusual in that I do use my bikes for utility purposes -
transportation to the grocery or other stores, the library, friends'
houses, etc. and in the past, transportation to work. This is so unusual
here that it draws comments from other cyclists and has triggered my
being interviewed by news outlets!
America is different from Germany.
Indeed. Most Germans own at least one bike and those who don't can
easily rent one, in most cities. You'll find almost no German who
doesn't use a bicycle now and then. People use a bike when a distance is longer than what they like to walk, or when there is something to carry,
for example groceries. Long distance riding is rare in comparison, but
that isn't different from how people use cars.
It is not all sunshine and roses, though. Decades of helmet propaganda
had an impact, so did the the availability of essentially unregulated electrical bikes marketed as bicycles. Even those who previously denied
it now reluctantly admit that e-bikes are riskier than bicycles. Unfortunately, it's a little bit late for that, the damage has been
done.
On 5/2/2025 2:28 AM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Am Wed, 30 Apr 2025 16:17:50 -0400 schrieb Frank KrygowskiI wonder if that was before or after the UCI rule mandating helmets. Our
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>:
These rides make up the bulk of annual riding for almost all members of
our club. The group on this ride were almost all retirees, and it seems
to be their main form of recreation. I'm unusual in that I have other
outdoor activities I also do regularly.
There are bicycle clubs in Germany, almost all of them members of the
national biycle club and bound to its rules
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Cycling_Federation>
("Bund Deutscher Radfahrer", BDR), a member of the UCI.
When our children where young, we considered getting a club membership
in a local club for them. We lost interest when we where told about a
strict helmet law: nor helmet, no rides - at a time when only the very
small minority of organzized bicyclists in Germany and other European
countries used bicycle helmets.
club still has no rule mandating helmets on normal rides; but I'm one of
very few who will attend a ride without the special hat.
Cycling attire is very much a fashion thing! There's certainly benefit
to comfortable riding shorts, aero jerseys etc. for fast or long rides.
But the other day, one member led a leisurely 15 mile ride followed by a wildflower walk in our nature preserve. I showed up in normal
lightweight slacks and shirt, normal shoes, as I'd wear to ride to do
some shopping, visit a friend, etc. Everyone else was attired as if to
ride 75 miles.
That first fall was after 30+ years of road cycling, so I was very disappointed. I scratched a knee and tore a nice jacket.
On 5/2/2025 2:28 AM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Am Wed, 30 Apr 2025 16:17:50 -0400 schrieb Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>:
These rides make up the bulk of annual riding for almost all members of
our club. The group on this ride were almost all retirees, and it seems
to be their main form of recreation. I'm unusual in that I have other
outdoor activities I also do regularly.
There are bicycle clubs in Germany, almost all of them members of the
national biycle club and bound to its rules
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Cycling_Federation>
("Bund Deutscher Radfahrer", BDR), a member of the UCI.
When our children where young, we considered getting a club membership
in a local club for them. We lost interest when we where told about a
strict helmet law: nor helmet, no rides - at a time when only the very
small minority of organzized bicyclists in Germany and other European
countries used bicycle helmets.
I wonder if that was before or after the UCI rule mandating helmets.
Our
club still has no rule mandating helmets on normal rides; but I'm one of
very few who will attend a ride without the special hat.
Cycling attire is very much a fashion thing! There's certainly benefit
to comfortable riding shorts, aero jerseys etc. for fast or long rides.
But the other day, one member led a leisurely 15 mile ride followed by a >wildflower walk in our nature preserve. I showed up in normal
lightweight slacks and shirt, normal shoes, as I'd wear to ride to do
some shopping, visit a friend, etc. Everyone else was attired as if to
ride 75 miles.
https://www.renehersecycles.com/driving-an-analog-car-in-a-digital-world/
Although I'm disposed toward Subaru among modern autos, his
1992 is in no way 'analog'.
Electronic not adjustable voltage regulator, electronic
ignition with computer real time monitoring/adjustment
rather than adjustable mechanical-actuated points,
electronic fuel injectors rather than carburetors.
He did dump the slushbox for an actual gearbox, which is nice.
On Sun Apr 27 09:47:23 2025 AMuzi wrote:
https://www.renehersecycles.com/driving-an-analog-car-in-a-digital-world/
Although I'm disposed toward Subaru among modern autos, his
1992 is in no way 'analog'.
Electronic not adjustable voltage regulator, electronic
ignition with computer real time monitoring/adjustment
rather than adjustable mechanical-actuated points,
electronic fuel injectors rather than carburetors.
He did dump the slushbox for an actual gearbox, which is nice.
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