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    From AMuzi@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 7 20:21:03 2025
    We recently discussed industrial development/decrepitude as
    regards especially steel. This just published:

    https://www.mercatus.org/research/working-papers/do-more-powerful-unions-generate-better-pro-worker-outcomes
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    Andrew Muzi
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  • From Shadow@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Thu May 8 18:51:25 2025
    On Wed, 7 May 2025 20:21:03 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    We recently discussed industrial development/decrepitude as
    regards especially steel. This just published:

    https://www.mercatus.org/research/working-papers/do-more-powerful-unions-generate-better-pro-worker-outcomes

    Depends on the union. Brazil's CUT always defended the
    worker's best interests, as did the Sindicato de Metalurgicos do ABC.
    They also fought against the military dictatorship and eventually
    restored something like a democracy in Brasil.
    There are a lot of "bad" unions, which we call "patronais".
    The leaders are bribed into allowing salaries to fall. They then
    announce that "we managed to convince the administration to cut your
    salaries by ONLY 5% this year."
    LOL Examples ---> Forca Sindical and CGT
    Unions are voted in by category (medical, metallurgical,
    agricultural, banks etc) but are not mandatory. You give a day's
    salary per year if you want them to represent you.
    I'd pay if it was CUT, but if one of the corrupt ones was
    voted in I wouldn't.

    PS Check your sources (mercatus.org). I would never trust a
    "study" sponsored by Koch industries, specially if it defends cutting
    salaries to make the rich richer.
    []'s
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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Shadow on Thu May 8 17:20:21 2025
    On 5/8/2025 4:51 PM, Shadow wrote:
    On Wed, 7 May 2025 20:21:03 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    We recently discussed industrial development/decrepitude as
    regards especially steel. This just published:

    https://www.mercatus.org/research/working-papers/do-more-powerful-unions-generate-better-pro-worker-outcomes

    Depends on the union. Brazil's CUT always defended the
    worker's best interests, as did the Sindicato de Metalurgicos do ABC.
    They also fought against the military dictatorship and eventually
    restored something like a democracy in Brasil.
    There are a lot of "bad" unions, which we call "patronais".
    The leaders are bribed into allowing salaries to fall. They then
    announce that "we managed to convince the administration to cut your
    salaries by ONLY 5% this year."
    LOL Examples ---> Forca Sindical and CGT
    Unions are voted in by category (medical, metallurgical,
    agricultural, banks etc) but are not mandatory. You give a day's
    salary per year if you want them to represent you.
    I'd pay if it was CUT, but if one of the corrupt ones was
    voted in I wouldn't.

    PS Check your sources (mercatus.org). I would never trust a
    "study" sponsored by Koch industries, specially if it defends cutting salaries to make the rich richer.
    []'s

    I agree, there's nothing inherent to free association which
    necessarily leads to extortion and corruption. That said,
    the range across unions is vast and the excesses are
    painfully expensive to the nation.

    (Mercatus reported on it)



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    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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