• NYC tax dollars at work

    From AMuzi@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 14 09:08:59 2025
    It's not California's Train to Nowhere, but still:


    https://nypost.com/2025/05/13/us-news/fuming-cyclists-rip-nyc-for-taking-sweet-time-to-finish-west-side-bike-path-leaving-dangerous-detours-behind/
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
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  • From Rolf Mantel@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 14 16:43:02 2025
    Am 14.05.2025 um 16:08 schrieb AMuzi:
    It's not California's Train to Nowhere, but still:

    https://nypost.com/2025/05/13/us-news/fuming-cyclists-rip-nyc-for- taking-sweet-time-to-finish-west-side-bike-path-leaving-dangerous- detours-behind/

    I admire the comment "Why don't they work in the winter?" when people
    should know that most roadworks cannot proceed while the ground is frozen.

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  • From Shadow@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Wed May 14 13:42:33 2025
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 09:08:59 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    It's not California's Train to Nowhere, but still:


    https://nypost.com/2025/05/13/us-news/fuming-cyclists-rip-nyc-for-taking-sweet-time-to-finish-west-side-bike-path-leaving-dangerous-detours-behind/

    At a guess, the governor/mayor is not a repuglican.
    If the bikeway was being built by the orange thing, the
    headlines would be "predicted to be finished in 10 years, it only took
    5, and it's the biggest, bestist bike path EVER, and it ONLY cost US$
    10 million".
    The nypost is a #FAKE_NEWS conduit, IMHO.
    []'s
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  • From Catrike Ryder@21:1/5 to Shadow on Wed May 14 13:16:45 2025
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 13:42:33 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:

    On Wed, 14 May 2025 09:08:59 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    It's not California's Train to Nowhere, but still:

    https://nypost.com/2025/05/13/us-news/fuming-cyclists-rip-nyc-for-taking-sweet-time-to-finish-west-side-bike-path-leaving-dangerous-detours-behind/

    At a guess, the governor/mayor is not a repuglican.
    If the bikeway was being built by the orange thing, the
    headlines would be "predicted to be finished in 10 years, it only took
    5, and it's the biggest, bestist bike path EVER, and it ONLY cost US$
    10 million".
    The nypost is a #FAKE_NEWS conduit, IMHO.
    []'s

    Almost, maybe all news is fake news, nowdays. You have to sift and
    sort through several diffrent colors (red and blue) in order to have
    any idea what's going on.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman

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  • From Shadow@21:1/5 to Soloman@old.bikers.org on Wed May 14 14:29:03 2025
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 13:16:45 -0400, Catrike Ryder
    <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

    On Wed, 14 May 2025 13:42:33 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:

    On Wed, 14 May 2025 09:08:59 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    It's not California's Train to Nowhere, but still:

    https://nypost.com/2025/05/13/us-news/fuming-cyclists-rip-nyc-for-taking-sweet-time-to-finish-west-side-bike-path-leaving-dangerous-detours-behind/

    At a guess, the governor/mayor is not a repuglican.
    If the bikeway was being built by the orange thing, the
    headlines would be "predicted to be finished in 10 years, it only took
    5, and it's the biggest, bestist bike path EVER, and it ONLY cost US$
    10 million".
    The nypost is a #FAKE_NEWS conduit, IMHO.
    []'s

    Almost, maybe all news is fake news, nowdays. You have to sift and
    sort through several diffrent colors (red and blue) in order to have
    any idea what's going on.

    Conning people pays well, and it's become an industry (See
    Meta, Glugle, Amakon, Cloudfare, Twittier). Not much "real" media
    left.
    I read recently that the BBC took a fast turn right under that blond-hair fairy. All the regulars were fired, and right wingers now
    decide how to phrase the news....
    The German news in not much better. It's why the Nazis are
    (almost) back in power there.
    You have to check, double check, and then check again....
    []'s
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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 14 17:34:08 2025
    On Wed May 14 13:16:45 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 13:42:33 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:

    On Wed, 14 May 2025 09:08:59 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    It's not California's Train to Nowhere, but still:

    https://nypost.com/2025/05/13/us-news/fuming-cyclists-rip-nyc-for-taking-sweet-time-to-finish-west-side-bike-path-leaving-dangerous-detours-behind/

    At a guess, the governor/mayor is not a repuglican.
    If the bikeway was being built by the orange thing, the
    headlines would be "predicted to be finished in 10 years, it only took
    5, and it's the biggest, bestist bike path EVER, and it ONLY cost US$
    10 million".
    The nypost is a #FAKE_NEWS conduit, IMHO.
    []'s

    Almost, maybe all news is fake news, nowdays. You have to sift and
    sort through several diffrent colors (red and blue) in order to have
    any idea what's going on.




    We can be most certain that a Brazilian doesn't know what is going on. He speaks of Argentina in the first participle and says that he is a doctor. He talks of America politics as if he could understand them when he can't. When he is so entirely
    uneducated how can you believe anything he says?

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  • From Catrike Ryder@21:1/5 to Shadow on Wed May 14 13:56:45 2025
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 14:29:03 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:

    On Wed, 14 May 2025 13:16:45 -0400, Catrike Ryder
    <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

    On Wed, 14 May 2025 13:42:33 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:

    On Wed, 14 May 2025 09:08:59 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    It's not California's Train to Nowhere, but still:

    https://nypost.com/2025/05/13/us-news/fuming-cyclists-rip-nyc-for-taking-sweet-time-to-finish-west-side-bike-path-leaving-dangerous-detours-behind/

    At a guess, the governor/mayor is not a repuglican.
    If the bikeway was being built by the orange thing, the
    headlines would be "predicted to be finished in 10 years, it only took
    5, and it's the biggest, bestist bike path EVER, and it ONLY cost US$
    10 million".
    The nypost is a #FAKE_NEWS conduit, IMHO.
    []'s

    Almost, maybe all news is fake news, nowdays. You have to sift and
    sort through several diffrent colors (red and blue) in order to have
    any idea what's going on.

    Conning people pays well, and it's become an industry (See
    Meta, Glugle, Amakon, Cloudfare, Twittier). Not much "real" media
    left.
    I read recently that the BBC took a fast turn right under that
    blond-hair fairy. All the regulars were fired, and right wingers now
    decide how to phrase the news....
    The German news in not much better. It's why the Nazis are
    (almost) back in power there.
    You have to check, double check, and then check again....
    []'s

    ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, NYTimes, NYPost, Washington Post,
    and so on, and so on. They don't deliver the news, they analyse the
    news.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman

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  • From Shadow@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 14 14:55:58 2025
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 17:34:08 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed May 14 13:16:45 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 13:42:33 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:

    On Wed, 14 May 2025 09:08:59 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    It's not California's Train to Nowhere, but still:


    https://nypost.com/2025/05/13/us-news/fuming-cyclists-rip-nyc-for-taking-sweet-time-to-finish-west-side-bike-path-leaving-dangerous-detours-behind/

    At a guess, the governor/mayor is not a repuglican.
    If the bikeway was being built by the orange thing, the
    headlines would be "predicted to be finished in 10 years, it only took
    5, and it's the biggest, bestist bike path EVER, and it ONLY cost US$
    10 million".
    The nypost is a #FAKE_NEWS conduit, IMHO.
    []'s

    Almost, maybe all news is fake news, nowdays. You have to sift and
    sort through several diffrent colors (red and blue) in order to have
    any idea what's going on.




    We can be most certain that a Brazilian doesn't know what is going on. He speaks of Argentina in the first participle and says that he is a doctor. He talks of America politics as if he could understand them when he can't. When he is so entirely
    uneducated how can you believe anything he says?

    There is practically NO #FAKE_NEWS here, not apropos American
    politics, because we don't vote there. Why would Meta, Glugle, Amakon, Cloudfare, Twittier etc try to convince a Brazilian that Trump is a
    good president? Waste of money.
    OTOH, OUR local news is practically all #FAKE. 5 families
    (actually 3 families and 2 churches) own 99% our local media, and
    they're all extreme-right wingers...
    []'s

    PS You live closer to Mexico than I do to Argentina. Does that
    make you a Mexican?
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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 14 10:59:03 2025
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 17:34:08 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed May 14 13:16:45 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 13:42:33 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:

    On Wed, 14 May 2025 09:08:59 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    It's not California's Train to Nowhere, but still:


    https://nypost.com/2025/05/13/us-news/fuming-cyclists-rip-nyc-for-taking-sweet-time-to-finish-west-side-bike-path-leaving-dangerous-detours-behind/

    At a guess, the governor/mayor is not a repuglican.
    If the bikeway was being built by the orange thing, the
    headlines would be "predicted to be finished in 10 years, it only took
    5, and it's the biggest, bestist bike path EVER, and it ONLY cost US$
    10 million".
    The nypost is a #FAKE_NEWS conduit, IMHO.
    []'s

    Almost, maybe all news is fake news, nowdays. You have to sift and
    sort through several diffrent colors (red and blue) in order to have
    any idea what's going on.

    We can be most certain that a Brazilian doesn't know what is going on. He speaks of Argentina in the first participle and says that he is a doctor. He talks of America politics as if he could understand them when he can't. When he is so entirely
    uneducated how can you believe anything he says?

    Tom. He's more believable than you are. He never spoke of Argentina
    except when you stupidly confused Brazil with Argentina. I've checked
    a few of the events and names he has mentioned from politics in Brazil
    and they seem to be accurate. I don't know about his education, but
    his English spelling and grammar are far better than your high school
    dropout education. Also, it's "first principle", not "first
    participle". First Principle is about logic and not about whatever
    incoherent babble you're offloading.



    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Shadow on Wed May 14 13:14:37 2025
    On 5/14/2025 11:42 AM, Shadow wrote:
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 09:08:59 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    It's not California's Train to Nowhere, but still:


    https://nypost.com/2025/05/13/us-news/fuming-cyclists-rip-nyc-for-taking-sweet-time-to-finish-west-side-bike-path-leaving-dangerous-detours-behind/

    At a guess, the governor/mayor is not a repuglican.
    If the bikeway was being built by the orange thing, the
    headlines would be "predicted to be finished in 10 years, it only took
    5, and it's the biggest, bestist bike path EVER, and it ONLY cost US$
    10 million".
    The nypost is a #FAKE_NEWS conduit, IMHO.
    []'s

    We cannot know the future, so if Mr Trump were to engage the
    problem you could be right. Or wrong.

    Based on the actual past I don't see why it wouldn't be done
    promptly and well:

    https://www.jta.org/2025/03/26/ny/central-parks-wollman-rink-which-the-trump-organization-hopes-to-run-again-was-named-for-this-jewish-family

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From Shadow@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Wed May 14 15:28:54 2025
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 13:14:37 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 5/14/2025 11:42 AM, Shadow wrote:
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 09:08:59 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    It's not California's Train to Nowhere, but still:


    https://nypost.com/2025/05/13/us-news/fuming-cyclists-rip-nyc-for-taking-sweet-time-to-finish-west-side-bike-path-leaving-dangerous-detours-behind/

    At a guess, the governor/mayor is not a repuglican.
    If the bikeway was being built by the orange thing, the
    headlines would be "predicted to be finished in 10 years, it only took
    5, and it's the biggest, bestist bike path EVER, and it ONLY cost US$
    10 million".
    The nypost is a #FAKE_NEWS conduit, IMHO.
    []'s

    We cannot know the future, so if Mr Trump were to engage the
    problem you could be right. Or wrong.

    Based on the actual past I don't see why it wouldn't be done
    promptly and well:

    https://www.jta.org/2025/03/26/ny/central-parks-wollman-rink-which-the-trump-organization-hopes-to-run-again-was-named-for-this-jewish-family

    I find it amazing that whoever the Mayor was in 2006 he had to outsource public property to "big business". Were there NO competent
    civil servant construction workers/engineers available to repair the
    facility?
    Dunno, sounds like "the art of a con".
    []'s
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    We have a new policy - Google 2012
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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Shadow on Wed May 14 13:19:29 2025
    On 5/14/2025 12:29 PM, Shadow wrote:
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 13:16:45 -0400, Catrike Ryder
    <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

    On Wed, 14 May 2025 13:42:33 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:

    On Wed, 14 May 2025 09:08:59 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    It's not California's Train to Nowhere, but still:


    https://nypost.com/2025/05/13/us-news/fuming-cyclists-rip-nyc-for-taking-sweet-time-to-finish-west-side-bike-path-leaving-dangerous-detours-behind/

    At a guess, the governor/mayor is not a repuglican.
    If the bikeway was being built by the orange thing, the
    headlines would be "predicted to be finished in 10 years, it only took
    5, and it's the biggest, bestist bike path EVER, and it ONLY cost US$
    10 million".
    The nypost is a #FAKE_NEWS conduit, IMHO.
    []'s

    Almost, maybe all news is fake news, nowdays. You have to sift and
    sort through several diffrent colors (red and blue) in order to have
    any idea what's going on.

    Conning people pays well, and it's become an industry (See
    Meta, Glugle, Amakon, Cloudfare, Twittier). Not much "real" media
    left.
    I read recently that the BBC took a fast turn right under that blond-hair fairy. All the regulars were fired, and right wingers now
    decide how to phrase the news....
    The German news in not much better. It's why the Nazis are
    (almost) back in power there.
    You have to check, double check, and then check again....
    []'s

    We see what we prefer to see I suppose but to me, BBC is an
    incorrigible leftist propaganda machine. YMMV as always.

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Shadow on Wed May 14 14:30:15 2025
    On 5/14/2025 1:28 PM, Shadow wrote:
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 13:14:37 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 5/14/2025 11:42 AM, Shadow wrote:
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 09:08:59 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    It's not California's Train to Nowhere, but still:


    https://nypost.com/2025/05/13/us-news/fuming-cyclists-rip-nyc-for-taking-sweet-time-to-finish-west-side-bike-path-leaving-dangerous-detours-behind/

    At a guess, the governor/mayor is not a repuglican.
    If the bikeway was being built by the orange thing, the
    headlines would be "predicted to be finished in 10 years, it only took
    5, and it's the biggest, bestist bike path EVER, and it ONLY cost US$
    10 million".
    The nypost is a #FAKE_NEWS conduit, IMHO.
    []'s

    We cannot know the future, so if Mr Trump were to engage the
    problem you could be right. Or wrong.

    Based on the actual past I don't see why it wouldn't be done
    promptly and well:

    https://www.jta.org/2025/03/26/ny/central-parks-wollman-rink-which-the-trump-organization-hopes-to-run-again-was-named-for-this-jewish-family

    I find it amazing that whoever the Mayor was in 2006 he had to outsource public property to "big business". Were there NO competent
    civil servant construction workers/engineers available to repair the facility?
    Dunno, sounds like "the art of a con".
    []'s

    As with the bicycle route subject of this thread, the City
    in its wisdom pissed away millions on the skating rink
    project, with nothing to show for it for years except an
    eyesore in the middle of Rockefeller Center. Mr Trump took
    it over and completed it promptly on his own dime.

    Some history on that: https://www.nydailynews.com/2001/11/18/the-moral-donald-trump-and-wollman-rink-fall-1986-chapter-471/

    "By 1980, the Wollman had gone shabby and the old
    refrigeration units were falling apart, and the city closed
    the rink and sent in bulldozers to chew it up and announced
    a $4.

    7 million deal with a British developer to reconstruct the
    place and put in as well a large restaurant that would
    generate attractive revenues.
    Skaters would have to make do with Lasker rink up at 106th
    St. for the time being, the city said, but the new Wollman
    would definitely be open by the end of 1981.
    Six years and $12 million later, what with one setback and
    overrun after another, there remained no Wollman to speak
    of. A concrete slab was down, but the high-tech 22-mile
    refrigeration tubing system was full of leaks and unable to
    freeze water into ice. Everything would have to be torn up
    again. The job would cost a few more million. Maybe the rink
    could be finished by as early as 1988.
    And so, in May 1986, Wollman Memorial Rink took its immortal
    place in the pantheon of great New York construction horror
    shows, alongside the plainly never-to-be-built Westway and
    the famously water-filled 63rd St. Subway Tunnel to Nowhere.
    Parks Commissioner Henry Stern said he just couldn’t explain
    the problem. Murphy’s Law, he sighed. Everything that could
    possibly go wrong. …"

    "Trump, who daily looked down upon the hapless Wollman
    project from an upper floor of his Trump Tower at Fifth Ave.
    and 59th St., which had taken him a mere 26 months to put up."

    "...by mid-June, builder Trump had his guys on the site.
    And, through the summer and autumn, he cracked the whip on
    them, and presently it began to appear that he would bring
    in the job not only under budget, but well ahead of his own
    Dec. 15 deadline."


    The bicycle path and the Wollman skating rink are not all
    that different from the Obama Palace of Adoration except
    that's a privately funded fiasco managed by various
    hangers-on from the Obama administrations:

    https://www.facebook.com/doug.ibendahl/videos/a-must-watch-jesse-watters-sent-a-reporter-to-the-south-side-of-chicago-to-check/550622841175265/

    'Phrase that pays' at 55 seconds in.

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Wed May 14 14:39:05 2025
    On 5/14/2025 2:30 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 5/14/2025 1:28 PM, Shadow wrote:
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 13:14:37 -0500, AMuzi
    <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 5/14/2025 11:42 AM, Shadow wrote:
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 09:08:59 -0500, AMuzi
    <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    It's not California's Train to Nowhere, but still:


    https://nypost.com/2025/05/13/us-news/fuming-cyclists-
    rip-nyc-for-taking-sweet-time-to-finish-west-side-bike-
    path-leaving-dangerous-detours-behind/

        At a guess, the governor/mayor is not a repuglican.
        If the bikeway was being built by the orange thing, the
    headlines would be "predicted to be finished in 10
    years, it only took
    5, and it's the biggest, bestist bike path EVER, and it
    ONLY cost US$
    10 million".
        The nypost is a #FAKE_NEWS conduit, IMHO.
        []'s

    We cannot know the future, so if Mr Trump were to engage the
    problem you could be right. Or wrong.

    Based on the actual past I don't see why it wouldn't be done
    promptly and well:

    https://www.jta.org/2025/03/26/ny/central-parks-wollman-
    rink-which-the-trump-organization-hopes-to-run-again-was-
    named-for-this-jewish-family

        I find it amazing that whoever the Mayor was in 2006
    he had to
    outsource public property to "big business". Were there NO
    competent
    civil servant  construction workers/engineers available to
    repair the
    facility?
        Dunno, sounds like "the art of a con".
        []'s

    As with the bicycle route subject of this thread, the City
    in its wisdom pissed away millions on the skating rink
    project, with nothing to show for it for years except an
    eyesore in the middle of Rockefeller Center.  Mr Trump took
    it over and completed it promptly on his own dime.

    Some history on that: https://www.nydailynews.com/2001/11/18/the-moral-donald- trump-and-wollman-rink-fall-1986-chapter-471/

    "By 1980, the Wollman had gone shabby and the old
    refrigeration units were falling apart, and the city closed
    the rink and sent in bulldozers to chew it up and announced
    a $4.

    7 million deal with a British developer to reconstruct the
    place and put in as well a large restaurant that would
    generate attractive revenues.
    Skaters would have to make do with Lasker rink up at 106th
    St. for the time being, the city said, but the new Wollman
    would definitely be open by the end of 1981.
    Six years and $12 million later, what with one setback and
    overrun after another, there remained no Wollman to speak
    of. A concrete slab was down, but the high-tech 22-mile
    refrigeration tubing system was full of leaks and unable to
    freeze water into ice. Everything would have to be torn up
    again. The job would cost a few more million. Maybe the rink
    could be finished by as early as 1988.
    And so, in May 1986, Wollman Memorial Rink took its immortal
    place in the pantheon of great New York construction horror
    shows, alongside the plainly never-to-be-built Westway and
    the famously water-filled 63rd St. Subway Tunnel to Nowhere.
    Parks Commissioner Henry Stern said he just couldn’t explain
    the problem. Murphy’s Law, he sighed. Everything that could
    possibly go wrong. …"

    "Trump, who daily looked down upon the hapless Wollman
    project from an upper floor of his Trump Tower at Fifth Ave.
    and 59th St., which had taken him a mere 26 months to put up."

    "...by mid-June, builder Trump had his guys on the site.
    And, through the summer and autumn, he cracked the whip on
    them, and presently it began to appear that he would bring
    in the job not only under budget, but well ahead of his own
    Dec. 15 deadline."


    The bicycle path and the Wollman skating rink are not all
    that different from the Obama Palace of Adoration except
    that's a privately funded fiasco managed by various hangers-
    on from the Obama administrations:

    https://www.facebook.com/doug.ibendahl/videos/a-must-watch- jesse-watters-sent-a-reporter-to-the-south-side-of-chicago- to-check/550622841175265/

    'Phrase that pays' at 55 seconds in.


    Edit- "in Central Park"


    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to Shadow on Wed May 14 13:12:59 2025
    On 5/14/2025 9:42 AM, Shadow wrote:
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 09:08:59 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    It's not California's Train to Nowhere, but still:


    https://nypost.com/2025/05/13/us-news/fuming-cyclists-rip-nyc-for-taking-sweet-time-to-finish-west-side-bike-path-leaving-dangerous-detours-behind/

    At a guess, the governor/mayor is not a repuglican.
    If the bikeway was being built by the orange thing, the
    headlines would be "predicted to be finished in 10 years, it only took
    5, and it's the biggest, bestist bike path EVER, and it ONLY cost US$
    10 million".
    The nypost is a #FAKE_NEWS conduit, IMHO.
    []'s

    Take anything written in the NY Post with many many grains of salt.

    --
    “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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  • From Catrike Ryder@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 14 17:11:51 2025
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 13:12:59 -0700, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
    wrote:

    On 5/14/2025 9:42 AM, Shadow wrote:
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 09:08:59 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    It's not California's Train to Nowhere, but still:


    https://nypost.com/2025/05/13/us-news/fuming-cyclists-rip-nyc-for-taking-sweet-time-to-finish-west-side-bike-path-leaving-dangerous-detours-behind/

    At a guess, the governor/mayor is not a repuglican.
    If the bikeway was being built by the orange thing, the
    headlines would be "predicted to be finished in 10 years, it only took
    5, and it's the biggest, bestist bike path EVER, and it ONLY cost US$
    10 million".
    The nypost is a #FAKE_NEWS conduit, IMHO.
    []'s

    Take anything written in the NY Post with many many grains of salt.

    Ditto ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, NYTimes, Washington Post,
    and so on, and so on.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to sms on Wed May 14 17:53:30 2025
    On 5/14/2025 3:12 PM, sms wrote:
    On 5/14/2025 9:42 AM, Shadow wrote:
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 09:08:59 -0500, AMuzi
    <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    It's not California's Train to Nowhere, but still:


    https://nypost.com/2025/05/13/us-news/fuming-cyclists-
    rip-nyc-for-taking-sweet-time-to-finish-west-side-bike-
    path-leaving-dangerous-detours-behind/

        At a guess, the governor/mayor is not a repuglican.
        If the bikeway was being built by the orange thing, the
    headlines would be "predicted to be finished in 10 years,
    it only took
    5, and it's the biggest, bestist bike path EVER, and it
    ONLY cost US$
    10 million".
        The nypost is a #FAKE_NEWS conduit, IMHO.
        []'s

    Take anything written in the NY Post with many many grains
    of salt.


    Same story three weeks ago in streetsblog

    https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2025/04/24/parks-dept-controls-vital-bike-infrastructure-but-treats-riders-like-an-afterthought

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From Frank Krygowski@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Wed May 14 19:48:35 2025
    On 5/14/2025 6:53 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 5/14/2025 3:12 PM, sms wrote:
    On 5/14/2025 9:42 AM, Shadow wrote:
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 09:08:59 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    It's not California's Train to Nowhere, but still:


    https://nypost.com/2025/05/13/us-news/fuming-cyclists- rip-nyc-for-
    taking-sweet-time-to-finish-west-side-bike- path-leaving-dangerous-
    detours-behind/

        At a guess, the governor/mayor is not a repuglican.
        If the bikeway was being built by the orange thing, the
    headlines would be "predicted to be finished in 10 years, it only took
    5, and it's the biggest, bestist bike path EVER, and it ONLY cost US$
    10 million".
        The nypost is a #FAKE_NEWS conduit, IMHO.
        []'s

    Take anything written in the NY Post with many many grains of salt.


    Same story three weeks ago in streetsblog

    https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2025/04/24/parks-dept-controls-vital-bike- infrastructure-but-treats-riders-like-an-afterthought

    I object to phrases like "the only car-free safe infrastructure." Far
    too many people think bicycling on ordinary roads is horrendously
    dangerous. I suspect the bulk of them have never examined relevant data,
    and/or are incompetent at math.

    --
    - Frank Krygowski

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Frank Krygowski on Wed May 14 18:54:13 2025
    On 5/14/2025 6:48 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 5/14/2025 6:53 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 5/14/2025 3:12 PM, sms wrote:
    On 5/14/2025 9:42 AM, Shadow wrote:
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 09:08:59 -0500, AMuzi
    <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    It's not California's Train to Nowhere, but still:


    https://nypost.com/2025/05/13/us-news/fuming-cyclists-
    rip-nyc-for- taking-sweet-time-to-finish-west-side-
    bike- path-leaving-dangerous- detours-behind/

        At a guess, the governor/mayor is not a repuglican.
        If the bikeway was being built by the orange thing, the
    headlines would be "predicted to be finished in 10
    years, it only took
    5, and it's the biggest, bestist bike path EVER, and it
    ONLY cost US$
    10 million".
        The nypost is a #FAKE_NEWS conduit, IMHO.
        []'s

    Take anything written in the NY Post with many many
    grains of salt.


    Same story three weeks ago in streetsblog

    https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2025/04/24/parks-dept-
    controls-vital-bike- infrastructure-but-treats-riders-
    like-an-afterthought

    I object to phrases like "the only car-free safe
    infrastructure." Far too many people think bicycling on
    ordinary roads is horrendously dangerous. I suspect the bulk
    of them have never examined relevant data, and/or are
    incompetent at math.


    You and I are one on the general principle.
    But, specifically, this project sucks.

    Aside from the general waste, corruption and ineptitude of
    public projects like this, Peter Drucker went up a notch in
    his analysis:

    "The worst thing is doing well that which should not have
    been done at all."


    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From Shadow@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Wed May 14 21:23:59 2025
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 14:30:15 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    <snippage>

    Trump took it over and completed it promptly on his own dime.

    <more snipping>


    "...by mid-June, builder Trump had his guys on the site.
    And, through the summer and autumn, he cracked the whip on
    them, and presently it began to appear that he would bring
    in the job not only under budget, but well ahead of his own
    Dec. 15 deadline."

    Under budget? Ahead of the deadline?
    Does that sound remotely like he did it for free?
    LOL


    The bicycle path and the Wollman skating rink are not all
    that different from the Obama Palace of Adoration except
    that's a privately funded fiasco managed by various
    hangers-on from the Obama administrations:

    https://www.facebook.com/doug.ibendahl/videos/a-must-watch-jesse-watters-sent-a-reporter-to-the-south-side-of-chicago-to-check/550622841175265/

    'Phrase that pays' at 55 seconds in.

    My router blocks everything Meta. Has 1477 entries in the
    /etc/hosts file. And that's just Meta .....
    If you're interested in blocking intrusive data-mining (AKA
    your government spying on you) I can upload the list.
    I'll just have to assume that the "Obama Palace of Adoration"
    is yet another church.
    []'s
    --
    Don't be evil - Google 2004
    We have a new policy - Google 2012
    Google Fuchsia - 2021

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  • From Catrike Ryder@21:1/5 to frkrygow@gXXmail.com on Wed May 14 20:32:47 2025
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 19:48:35 -0400, Frank Krygowski
    <frkrygow@gXXmail.com> wrote:

    On 5/14/2025 6:53 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 5/14/2025 3:12 PM, sms wrote:
    On 5/14/2025 9:42 AM, Shadow wrote:
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 09:08:59 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>
    It's not California's Train to Nowhere, but still:


    https://nypost.com/2025/05/13/us-news/fuming-cyclists- rip-nyc-for-
    taking-sweet-time-to-finish-west-side-bike- path-leaving-dangerous-
    detours-behind/

    At a guess, the governor/mayor is not a repuglican.
    If the bikeway was being built by the orange thing, the
    headlines would be "predicted to be finished in 10 years, it only took >>>> 5, and it's the biggest, bestist bike path EVER, and it ONLY cost US$
    10 million".
    The nypost is a #FAKE_NEWS conduit, IMHO.
    []'s

    Take anything written in the NY Post with many many grains of salt.


    Same story three weeks ago in streetsblog

    https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2025/04/24/parks-dept-controls-vital-bike-
    infrastructure-but-treats-riders-like-an-afterthought

    I object to phrases like "the only car-free safe infrastructure." Far
    too many people think bicycling on ordinary roads is horrendously
    dangerous. I suspect the bulk of them have never examined relevant data, >and/or are incompetent at math.


    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman

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  • From Catrike Ryder@21:1/5 to frkrygow@gXXmail.com on Wed May 14 20:54:53 2025
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 19:48:35 -0400, Frank Krygowski
    <frkrygow@gXXmail.com> wrote:

    On 5/14/2025 6:53 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 5/14/2025 3:12 PM, sms wrote:
    On 5/14/2025 9:42 AM, Shadow wrote:
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 09:08:59 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>
    It's not California's Train to Nowhere, but still:


    https://nypost.com/2025/05/13/us-news/fuming-cyclists- rip-nyc-for-
    taking-sweet-time-to-finish-west-side-bike- path-leaving-dangerous-
    detours-behind/

    At a guess, the governor/mayor is not a repuglican.
    If the bikeway was being built by the orange thing, the
    headlines would be "predicted to be finished in 10 years, it only took >>>> 5, and it's the biggest, bestist bike path EVER, and it ONLY cost US$
    10 million".
    The nypost is a #FAKE_NEWS conduit, IMHO.
    []'s

    Take anything written in the NY Post with many many grains of salt.


    Same story three weeks ago in streetsblog

    https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2025/04/24/parks-dept-controls-vital-bike-
    infrastructure-but-treats-riders-like-an-afterthought

    I object to phrases like "the only car-free safe infrastructure." Far
    too many people think bicycling on ordinary roads is horrendously
    dangerous. I suspect the bulk of them have never examined relevant data, >and/or are incompetent at math.

    Not horrendously dangerous, just too dangerous for many people to do
    if they don't have to and/or have other places to ride.

    I, and hundreds, probably thousands of people here in west central
    Florida have hundreds of miles of vehicle free, mostly people free
    asphalt to ride, so I can't think of many reasons to ride on "ordinary
    roads." However, when I do have a reason to ride on them, I do.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Shadow on Wed May 14 20:40:53 2025
    On 5/14/2025 7:23 PM, Shadow wrote:
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 14:30:15 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    <snippage>

    Trump took it over and completed it promptly on his own dime.

    <more snipping>


    "...by mid-June, builder Trump had his guys on the site.
    And, through the summer and autumn, he cracked the whip on
    them, and presently it began to appear that he would bring
    in the job not only under budget, but well ahead of his own
    Dec. 15 deadline."

    Under budget? Ahead of the deadline?
    Does that sound remotely like he did it for free?
    LOL


    The bicycle path and the Wollman skating rink are not all
    that different from the Obama Palace of Adoration except
    that's a privately funded fiasco managed by various
    hangers-on from the Obama administrations:

    https://www.facebook.com/doug.ibendahl/videos/a-must-watch-jesse-watters-sent-a-reporter-to-the-south-side-of-chicago-to-check/550622841175265/

    'Phrase that pays' at 55 seconds in.

    My router blocks everything Meta. Has 1477 entries in the
    /etc/hosts file. And that's just Meta .....
    If you're interested in blocking intrusive data-mining (AKA
    your government spying on you) I can upload the list.
    I'll just have to assume that the "Obama Palace of Adoration"
    is yet another church.
    []'s


    That is a very good question. Turns out yes and no:

    https://drjonsicu.com/the-story-of-donald-trump-and-the-wollman-skating-rink/

    More, and a bit on the nature of public projects with examples:

    https://www.investors.com/politics/columnists/will-donald-trump-do-for-infrastructure-what-he-did-for-wollman-rink/

    Mr Trump has some engaging traits. Modesty is not among them:

    " On May 31, 1986 Donald Trump said in an interview with the
    Times, 'I don't want my name attached to losers. So far the
    Wollman Rink has been one of the great losers. I'll make it
    a winner. ' "

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/offwhitepapers/2015/08/24/donald-trump-and-the-wollman-rinking-of-american-politics/

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 15 19:35:45 2025
    On Wed May 14 19:48:35 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 5/14/2025 6:53 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 5/14/2025 3:12 PM, sms wrote:
    On 5/14/2025 9:42 AM, Shadow wrote:
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 09:08:59 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>
    It's not California's Train to Nowhere, but still:


    https://nypost.com/2025/05/13/us-news/fuming-cyclists- rip-nyc-for-
    taking-sweet-time-to-finish-west-side-bike- path-leaving-dangerous-
    detours-behind/

    At a guess, the governor/mayor is not a repuglican.
    If the bikeway was being built by the orange thing, the
    headlines would be "predicted to be finished in 10 years, it only took >>> 5, and it's the biggest, bestist bike path EVER, and it ONLY cost US$
    10 million".
    The nypost is a #FAKE_NEWS conduit, IMHO.
    []'s

    Take anything written in the NY Post with many many grains of salt.


    Same story three weeks ago in streetsblog

    https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2025/04/24/parks-dept-controls-vital-bike- infrastructure-but-treats-riders-like-an-afterthought

    I object to phrases like "the only car-free safe infrastructure." Far
    too many people think bicycling on ordinary roads is horrendously
    dangerous. I suspect the bulk of them have never examined relevant data, and/or are incompetent at math.




    Frank, you and I are in agreement on this but there's no convincing people that a car that just passed whem within inches traveling at 40 mph isn't dangerous when they could have moved over into the next lane and didn't. If traffic laws were properly
    enforced this might make a difference but at this point, though our speed limmit on a limited access road is 50 mph, 70 to 80 is the actual speeds.

    I think that rather than your opinion, you should look at this problem from the viewpoint of other riders.

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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 15 16:27:39 2025
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 19:35:45 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    our speed limmit on a limited access road is 50 mph, 70 to 80 is the actual speeds.

    Wrong, as usual:

    "State Speed Limits" <https://www.directauto.com/learning-center/driving-laws-and-safety/state-speed-limits>
    For California:
    Speed Limit on Rural Interstates (MPH) 70 (55 for trucks)
    Speed Limit on Urban Interstates (MPH) 65 (55 for trucks)
    Speed Limit on Other Limited Access Roads (MPH) 70 (55 for trucks)

    I'll assume that you carry a radar speed gun to measure the "actual
    speeds".




    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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  • From Frank Krygowski@21:1/5 to Jeff Liebermann on Thu May 15 23:08:22 2025
    On 5/15/2025 7:27 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 19:35:45 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    our speed limmit on a limited access road is 50 mph, 70 to 80 is the actual speeds.

    Wrong, as usual:

    "State Speed Limits" <https://www.directauto.com/learning-center/driving-laws-and-safety/state-speed-limits>
    For California:
    Speed Limit on Rural Interstates (MPH) 70 (55 for trucks)
    Speed Limit on Urban Interstates (MPH) 65 (55 for trucks)
    Speed Limit on Other Limited Access Roads (MPH) 70 (55 for trucks)

    I'll assume that you carry a radar speed gun to measure the "actual
    speeds".

    On long freeway drives I sometimes amuse myself by trying to estimate
    the speeds of other motorists. Using my speed as a base, I try to guess
    whether they are 3 mph faster (or slower) than me, which would look like
    a walking pace. 10 mph might be a typical non-cyclists riding speed. 15
    mph might be a typical flat ground speed of a competent cyclist, etc.

    A few times I've matched speeds with the estimated car to find the real
    answer, and have always come quite close.


    --
    - Frank Krygowski

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