I've been looking up average speeds in a process of trying to discover how fast of slow I am. Most of the articles show that as an 80 year old I am riding above my age by a bit.
https://pedalstreet.com/average-cycling-speed-by-age/#Wind_and_Weather (suggests 11.5
https://ilovebicycling.com/average-bike-speed/ (note that Grand Tour riders average 25 mph for the Tour.)
https://www.cyclistshub.com/average-cycling-speed/
It appears that good riders at 60 can average about 90 watts of full time power.
(That is as much power as you can generate for 20 minutes and is as meaningless a measurement as you can get)
Power st this level dramatically slows you down in a headwind.
But my average speed is 10 mph almost exactly and on some 25 mile rides it has been as high as almost 12 mph despite a headwind Yesterday wrecked me at 29 miles including 1,300 feet of climbing with several spot of 9% for over 100 yards.
Garmin used to report maximum rate of climb but they don't do that anymore.
And looking back to before my stroke, I was climbing more than twice as much per week and my average speed with the old software was often over 10 mph or 12-13 mph with this software. And that was on a climb that went over 12%
So, as I say, I appear to be slightly better for my age group.
And it should also give you insight into people saying that I'm so slow and telling you that they've put in 600 miles this year with an average speed of 20 mph. Especially after they've told us that they are over 60.
Whatever they are using to report their speed is highly inaccurate.
By the way, that third reference gives a chart of average speed with level of ability but that is at about age 35 where your athletic/cycling ability is at your peak.
On 5/14/2025 5:48 PM, cyclintom posted yet another slew of horse shit:
I've been looking up average speeds in a process of trying to discover how fast of slow I am. Most of the articles show that as an 80 year old I am riding above my age by a bit.
https://pedalstreet.com/average-cycling-speed-by-age/#Wind_and_Weather (suggests 11.5
https://ilovebicycling.com/average-bike-speed/ (note that Grand Tour riders average 25 mph for the Tour.)
https://www.cyclistshub.com/average-cycling-speed/
It appears that good riders at 60 can average about 90 watts of full time power.
Not from these links.
-first off, it lists 'average', not 'good'.
-Second, absolute watts isn't useful except as an individual metric. The valuable comparison metric is power/weight ratio (generally measured in watts/Kg).
-3rd, every competitive rider I know in my age group is able to sustain significantly more than 90 watts.
Here's a link for actual trained cyclists, not people who ride rail
trails every other weekend when the weather is good.
https://trainabsolute.com/training/cycling-ftp-by-age/
"While there isn?t an exact formula, rough cycling FTP by age
expectations (in watts per kilogram, W/kg) based on different age groups
look something like this:
50s-60s (Gradual Decline, But Not Drastic)
Elite: 3.5-5.0 W/kg
Well-Trained: 2.5-3.5 W/kg
Recreational: 1.5-2.5 W/kg
70s+ (Performance is All About Maintenance)
Elite: 3.0-4.0 W/kg
Well-Trained: 2.0-3.0 W/kg
Recreational: 1.0-2.0 W/kg"
Right now my FTP is about 3.25 W/Kg, which for my weight is about 220
watts. Trust me when I tell you that is _not_ impressive.
(That is as much power as you can generate for 20 minutes and is as meaningless a measurement as you can get)
FTP is the power you can generate for 60 minutes, not 20. It's usually measured over 20 minutes then an offset formula is applied. Try reading
and learning for a change: https://www.trainerroad.com/blog/is-my-ftp-too-low/
FTP isn't meaningless by any stretch of the imagination.
Power st this level dramatically slows you down in a headwind.
Thanks for displaying yet more of your misunderstanding of the laws of physics. The slower you go, less your speed is affected by head wind.
It's the 'Square Law Effect' and it's exponential as a function of speed.
But my average speed is 10 mph almost exactly and on some 25 mile rides it has been as high as almost 12 mph despite a headwind Yesterday wrecked me at 29 miles including 1,300 feet of climbing with several spot of 9% for over 100 yards.
Garmin used to report maximum rate of climb but they don't do that anymore.
Yes, it does. You're just having more problems understanding how to use
your computer.
And looking back to before my stroke, I was climbing more than twice as much per week and my average speed with the old software was often over 10 mph or 12-13 mph with this software. And that was on a climb that went over 12%
So, as I say, I appear to be slightly better for my age group.
And it should also give you insight into people saying that I'm so slow and telling you that they've put in 600 miles this year with an average speed of 20 mph. Especially after they've told us that they are over 60.
Not really, except that your slow compared to someone who actually
trains. You don't train. You don't do structured intervals, you don't threshold workouts or cadence drills, you don't monitor time in power
zones.
Lets look at some performance statics for older people who actually train.
https://usacycling.org/article/60-national-titles-awarded-in-albuquerque-for-masters-road-nationals
Master Men 60-64 Time Trial National Champion:
Robert Fisher (Monument, Colo.; Tierra Plan Racing p/b IntraNerve) -
49:40.5 (over 40K/25 miles, that's 30.2 mph)
65 and over did a 20K course:
Master Men 70-74 Time Trial National Champion:
Jerry Rome (Denver, Colo.; Wholesome Masters Racing) - 28:12.7 = MPH
Master Men 80-84 Time Trial National Champion:
S Durward Higgins (Chattanooga, Tenn.; Hammer Super Masters) - 30:44.3 - 24.42 MPH
Master Men 85-89 Time Trial National Champion:
Leon Malmed (South Lake Tahoe, Calif.; Alta Alpina Cycling) - 36:45.0 =
20.40 MPH
Looking at the 85-89 rider and punching some numbers into http://bikecalculator.com/, you get about 1.7 W/Kg, or about 150 watts
for a 200 pound rider.
For a comparison to your link, the 70+ national champion put out
somewhere in the range of 3.3 W/Kg, which is about 300 watts for a 200
pound rider.
FWIW - I could never have matched what the 60-65 rider did, even at my
most fit.
Whatever they are using to report their speed is highly inaccurate.
Yeah, because GPS is so easy to fake out. Let me remind you your the one
who claimed to hit 69 mph on a downhill recently.
By the way, that third reference gives a chart of average speed with level of ability but that is at about age 35 where your athletic/cycling ability is at your peak.
Yup, 35 is generally a physiological peak, and yes, your VO2x max will decline with age.
So you ride about what your link says is 'normal'. Good for you.
You ride in the 'normal' range for someone your age after a (alleged)
stroke. Good for you.
You're still riding regularly at your age and after a (alleged) stroke.
Good for you.
Constantly claiming other people are somehow cheating because you could
never - in your entire life - ride at racing speeds - fuck off.
On Thu May 15 06:46:48 2025 zen cycle wrote:
On 5/14/2025 5:48 PM, cyclintom posted yet another slew of horse shit:
I've been looking up average speeds in a process of trying to discover how fast of slow I am. Most of the articles show that as an 80 year old I am riding above my age by a bit.
https://pedalstreet.com/average-cycling-speed-by-age/#Wind_and_Weather (suggests 11.5
https://ilovebicycling.com/average-bike-speed/ (note that Grand Tour riders average 25 mph for the Tour.)
https://www.cyclistshub.com/average-cycling-speed/
It appears that good riders at 60 can average about 90 watts of full time power.
Not from these links.
-first off, it lists 'average', not 'good'.
-Second, absolute watts isn't useful except as an individual metric. The
valuable comparison metric is power/weight ratio (generally measured in
watts/Kg).
-3rd, every competitive rider I know in my age group is able to sustain
significantly more than 90 watts.
Here's a link for actual trained cyclists, not people who ride rail
trails every other weekend when the weather is good.
https://trainabsolute.com/training/cycling-ftp-by-age/
"While there isn?t an exact formula, rough cycling FTP by age
expectations (in watts per kilogram, W/kg) based on different age groups
look something like this:
50s-60s (Gradual Decline, But Not Drastic)
Elite: 3.5-5.0 W/kg
Well-Trained: 2.5-3.5 W/kg
Recreational: 1.5-2.5 W/kg
70s+ (Performance is All About Maintenance)
Elite: 3.0-4.0 W/kg
Well-Trained: 2.0-3.0 W/kg
Recreational: 1.0-2.0 W/kg"
Right now my FTP is about 3.25 W/Kg, which for my weight is about 220
watts. Trust me when I tell you that is _not_ impressive.
(That is as much power as you can generate for 20 minutes and is as meaningless a measurement as you can get)
FTP is the power you can generate for 60 minutes, not 20. It's usually
measured over 20 minutes then an offset formula is applied. Try reading
and learning for a change:
https://www.trainerroad.com/blog/is-my-ftp-too-low/
FTP isn't meaningless by any stretch of the imagination.
Power st this level dramatically slows you down in a headwind.
Thanks for displaying yet more of your misunderstanding of the laws of
physics. The slower you go, less your speed is affected by head wind.
It's the 'Square Law Effect' and it's exponential as a function of speed.
Yes, it does. You're just having more problems understanding how to use
But my average speed is 10 mph almost exactly and on some 25 mile rides it has been as high as almost 12 mph despite a headwind Yesterday wrecked me at 29 miles including 1,300 feet of climbing with several spot of 9% for over 100 yards.
Garmin used to report maximum rate of climb but they don't do that anymore. >>
your computer.
And looking back to before my stroke, I was climbing more than twice as much per week and my average speed with the old software was often over 10 mph or 12-13 mph with this software. And that was on a climb that went over 12%
So, as I say, I appear to be slightly better for my age group.
And it should also give you insight into people saying that I'm so slow and telling you that they've put in 600 miles this year with an average speed of 20 mph. Especially after they've told us that they are over 60.
Not really, except that your slow compared to someone who actually
trains. You don't train. You don't do structured intervals, you don't
threshold workouts or cadence drills, you don't monitor time in power
zones.
Lets look at some performance statics for older people who actually train. >>
https://usacycling.org/article/60-national-titles-awarded-in-albuquerque-for-masters-road-nationals
Master Men 60-64 Time Trial National Champion:
Robert Fisher (Monument, Colo.; Tierra Plan Racing p/b IntraNerve) -
49:40.5 (over 40K/25 miles, that's 30.2 mph)
65 and over did a 20K course:
Master Men 70-74 Time Trial National Champion:
Jerry Rome (Denver, Colo.; Wholesome Masters Racing) - 28:12.7 = MPH
Master Men 80-84 Time Trial National Champion:
S Durward Higgins (Chattanooga, Tenn.; Hammer Super Masters) - 30:44.3 -
24.42 MPH
Master Men 85-89 Time Trial National Champion:
Leon Malmed (South Lake Tahoe, Calif.; Alta Alpina Cycling) - 36:45.0 =
20.40 MPH
Looking at the 85-89 rider and punching some numbers into
http://bikecalculator.com/, you get about 1.7 W/Kg, or about 150 watts
for a 200 pound rider.
For a comparison to your link, the 70+ national champion put out
somewhere in the range of 3.3 W/Kg, which is about 300 watts for a 200
pound rider.
FWIW - I could never have matched what the 60-65 rider did, even at my
most fit.
Whatever they are using to report their speed is highly inaccurate.
Yeah, because GPS is so easy to fake out. Let me remind you your the one
who claimed to hit 69 mph on a downhill recently.
By the way, that third reference gives a chart of average speed with level of ability but that is at about age 35 where your athletic/cycling ability is at your peak.
Yup, 35 is generally a physiological peak, and yes, your VO2x max will
decline with age.
So you ride about what your link says is 'normal'. Good for you.
You ride in the 'normal' range for someone your age after a (alleged)
stroke. Good for you.
You're still riding regularly at your age and after a (alleged) stroke.
Good for you.
Constantly claiming other people are somehow cheating because you could
never - in your entire life - ride at racing speeds - fuck off.
Flunky, you are nothing but excuses.
I would be surprised if you could hold 90 watts.
There has been nothing that you could do about your low performance except to lie about mine
and to quote preposterous figures about yours.
I do not think that my performanc4e is anything other than slightly above average because of the years I've put in on a bike. But you want peop[e to beliee that you can put in 30 year old professional racer performance.
I just quoted the numbers so the only thing you're able to do is deny them. And that is exactly what you just did.LOL...no, tommy, that's not "all" I did. I backed up my claims with hard
Funny, I've claimed exactly the opposite. From my link above:
On Thu May 15 12:13:46 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
Funny, I've claimed exactly the opposite. From my link above:
That Zwift "ride" is a "virtual ride".Anyone can fool that. Why does the Strava ride say that I am blocked?
So your tears are all about telling us that you're really riding like a Cat 1 30 year old while the truth is something entirely different.
Meanwhile. I got two days of 7 and 8 hours of sleep and averaged almost 11 mph for a 30 mile ride. It was flat, but I'm not telling people that at 65 I'm averaging 20 mph for the year so far which for you is 600 miles.
On Thu May 15 12:13:46 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
Funny, I've claimed exactly the opposite. From my link above:
That Zwift "ride" is a "virtual ride".Anyone can fool that.
Why does the Strava ride say that I am blocked?
So your tears
are all about telling us that you're really riding like a Cat 1 30 year old while the truth is something entirely different.
Meanwhile. I got two days of 7 and 8 hours of sleep and averaged almost 11 mph for a 30 mile ride. It was flat, but I'm not telling people that at 65 I'm averaging 20 mph for the year so far which for you is 600 miles.
On Thu May 15 19:04:44 2025 cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 15 12:13:46 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
Funny, I've claimed exactly the opposite. From my link above:
That Zwift "ride" is a "virtual ride".Anyone can fool that. Why does the Strava ride say that I am blocked?
So your tears are all about telling us that you're really riding like a Cat 1 30 year old while the truth is something entirely different.
Meanwhile. I got two days of 7 and 8 hours of sleep and averaged almost 11 mph for a 30 mile ride. It was flat, but I'm not telling people that at 65 I'm averaging 20 mph for the year so far which for you is 600 miles.
I should also add that those speeds are for the AVERAGE rider and you can expect a 10% variation among riders.
Today, I had some sort of club come by. I was near my coffee stop and they were just heading out. They were all in their 30's and 40's and they were making pretty good speed. On the way home I passed the same group on their way home. Their speed wasconsiderably reduced and half of the pack was sagging off the back. I have no idea what route they took since the place I passed them on the way home could have been a climbing course or a flat route. These guys were averaging just about what the
But Flunky is averaging 20 mph over 600 miles.
Before my initial injury I was probably averaging about those reference numbers as well and at that time I was in the front quarter climbing with the club. When my injury occurred I was 65. I lost a little over two years to the injury before diagnosisand treatment. Then it took me about three years to get back up to my level which was again in the front quarter of the club on climbs and dropping everyone by a LONG way on descents. Then I would ride with the back quarter on the flats.
Flunky, you know, a Grmain 830 can be had quite cheaply these days. So WHY don't you get one, record a ride and post it since whatever you're going does not match real life?
Why does the Strava ride say that I am blocked?
On 5/15/2025 3:04 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 15 12:13:46 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
Funny, I've claimed exactly the opposite. From my link above:
That Zwift "ride" is a "virtual ride".Anyone can fool that.
Virtual or not, power is power.
Why does the Strava ride say that I am blocked?
Because you're doing something wrong, as usual
So your tears
You're the one crying here, not me.
are all about telling us that you're really riding like a Cat 1 30 year old while the truth is something entirely different.
Please post any reference to where I ever claimed I was riding like a 30
year old cat 1.
Meanwhile. I got two days of 7 and 8 hours of sleep and averaged almost 11 mph for a 30 mile ride. It was flat, but I'm not telling people that at 65 I'm averaging 20 mph for the year so far which for you is 600 miles.
It's a good thing you aren't telling them that, because it wouldn't be true.
On Thu, 15 May 2025 19:04:44 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Why does the Strava ride say that I am blocked?
Now, that's interesting. I thought that you no longer have a Strava
account:
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/27432450> <https://www.strava.com/athletes/114659696>
It would seem that you wiped all your data, but left the account in
place.
I recall that you intentionally closed your Strava account because too
many 20 year olds were ridiculing your amazing achievements. If so,
trying to login to your former account would result in something like "account closed". A "blocked" account would be the result of having
Strava kick you off their system, probably due to some form of abuse
or misuse.
You can "block" any other athelete you don't want to see, but I don't
think you can block yourself:
"Manage Followers and Block Athletes" <https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216918327-Manage-Followers-and-Block-Athletes>
Want to revise your claim that you are "blocked"?
On Thu May 15 16:50:43 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 15 May 2025 19:04:44 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Why does the Strava ride say that I am blocked?
Now, that's interesting. I thought that you no longer have a Strava
account:
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/27432450>
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/114659696>
It would seem that you wiped all your data, but left the account in
place.
I recall that you intentionally closed your Strava account because too
many 20 year olds were ridiculing your amazing achievements. If so,
trying to login to your former account would result in something like
"account closed". A "blocked" account would be the result of having
Strava kick you off their system, probably due to some form of abuse
or misuse.
You can "block" any other athelete you don't want to see, but I don't
think you can block yourself:
"Manage Followers and Block Athletes"
<https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216918327-Manage-Followers-and-Block-Athletes>
Want to revise your claim that you are "blocked"?
I don't know about those accounts other than I thought I needed an account in order to get into Flunky's reference. Maybe one of those accounts is the old original but the newer on was because I didn't have the account name and password so opened a newone to look into Flunky'a reference. But no - it said that my NAME had a red light.
Is it your insinuation that because Strava shows zero miles that I didn't do 928 miles?
Don't you know anything?
On Thu May 15 15:39:58 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 5/15/2025 3:04 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 15 12:13:46 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
Funny, I've claimed exactly the opposite. From my link above:
That Zwift "ride" is a "virtual ride".Anyone can fool that.
Virtual or not, power is power.
Why does the Strava ride say that I am blocked?
Because you're doing something wrong, as usual
So your tears
You're the one crying here, not me.
are all about telling us that you're really riding like a Cat 1 30 year old while the truth is something entirely different.
Please post any reference to where I ever claimed I was riding like a 30
year old cat 1.
Meanwhile. I got two days of 7 and 8 hours of sleep and averaged almost 11 mph for a 30 mile ride. It was flat, but I'm not telling people that at 65 I'm averaging 20 mph for the year so far which for you is 600 miles.
It's a good thing you aren't telling them that, because it wouldn't be true.
We've got you Flunky, you only tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Except when you're posting here.
On Fri, 16 May 2025 02:11:33 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Thu May 15 16:50:43 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 15 May 2025 19:04:44 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Why does the Strava ride say that I am blocked?
Now, that's interesting. I thought that you no longer have a Strava
account:
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/27432450>
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/114659696>
It would seem that you wiped all your data, but left the account in
place.
I recall that you intentionally closed your Strava account because too
many 20 year olds were ridiculing your amazing achievements. If so,
trying to login to your former account would result in something like
"account closed". A "blocked" account would be the result of having
Strava kick you off their system, probably due to some form of abuse
or misuse.
You can "block" any other athelete you don't want to see, but I don't
think you can block yourself:
"Manage Followers and Block Athletes"
<https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216918327-Manage-Followers-and-Block-Athletes>
Want to revise your claim that you are "blocked"?
new one to look into Flunky'a reference. But no - it said that my NAME had a red light.I don't know about those accounts other than I thought I needed an account in order to get into Flunky's reference. Maybe one of those accounts is the old original but the newer on was because I didn't have the account name and password so opened a
I don't think anyone cares about what you DON'T know.
I didn't mention your claim to have ridden 928 miles this year. The
number may have come from a different thread. I was commenting on
your Strava account(s) being "blocked" and your rather vague and
misleading error messages. You seem to have problems reproducing
error messages.
Is it your insinuation that because Strava shows zero miles that I didn't do 928 miles?
No. I think it's rather obvious that if Strava shows zero miles and
no other information beyond your name, you didn't record your rides on Strava. If you have a different explanation for the absence of your
ride data, I'm willing to listen. Some proof that you actually rode
928 miles would be useful.
Don't you know anything?
Why do you care what I know? The problem is that you can't explain
things that are easily researched online and produce endless lies, distortions and fabrications apparently for the purpose of salvaging
what's left of your reputation. What I know, or don't know, has
nothing to do with what YOU know. I could be a genius or an idiot and
you would still be the unchanged Tom.
On Thu May 15 16:50:43 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:one to look into Flunky'a reference. But no - it said that my NAME had a red light.
On Thu, 15 May 2025 19:04:44 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Why does the Strava ride say that I am blocked?
Now, that's interesting. I thought that you no longer have a Strava
account:
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/27432450>
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/114659696>
It would seem that you wiped all your data, but left the account in
place.
I recall that you intentionally closed your Strava account because too
many 20 year olds were ridiculing your amazing achievements. If so,
trying to login to your former account would result in something like
"account closed". A "blocked" account would be the result of having
Strava kick you off their system, probably due to some form of abuse
or misuse.
You can "block" any other athelete you don't want to see, but I don't
think you can block yourself:
"Manage Followers and Block Athletes"
<https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216918327-Manage-Followers-and-Block-Athletes>
Want to revise your claim that you are "blocked"?
I don't know about those accounts other than I thought I needed an account in order to get into Flunky's reference. Maybe one of those accounts is the old original but the newer on was because I didn't have the account name and password so opened a new
Is it your insinuation that because Strava shows zero miles that I didn't do 928 miles?
Don't you know anything?
On Fri, 16 May 2025 02:11:33 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Thu May 15 16:50:43 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 15 May 2025 19:04:44 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Why does the Strava ride say that I am blocked?
Now, that's interesting. I thought that you no longer have a Strava
account:
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/27432450>
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/114659696>
It would seem that you wiped all your data, but left the account in
place.
I recall that you intentionally closed your Strava account because too
many 20 year olds were ridiculing your amazing achievements. If so,
trying to login to your former account would result in something like
"account closed". A "blocked" account would be the result of having
Strava kick you off their system, probably due to some form of abuse
or misuse.
You can "block" any other athelete you don't want to see, but I don't
think you can block yourself:
"Manage Followers and Block Athletes"
<https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216918327-Manage-Followers-and-Block-Athletes>
Want to revise your claim that you are "blocked"?
one to look into Flunky'a reference. But no - it said that my NAME had a red light.I don't know about those accounts other than I thought I needed an account in order to get into Flunky's reference. Maybe one of those accounts is the old original but the newer on was because I didn't have the account name and password so opened a new
I don't think anyone cares about what you DON'T know.
I didn't mention your claim to have ridden 928 miles this year. The
number may have come from a different thread. I was commenting on
your Strava account(s) being "blocked" and your rather vague and
misleading error messages. You seem to have problems reproducing
error messages.
Is it your insinuation that because Strava shows zero miles that I didn't do 928 miles?
No. I think it's rather obvious that if Strava shows zero miles and
no other information beyond your name, you didn't record your rides on >Strava. If you have a different explanation for the absence of your
ride data, I'm willing to listen. Some proof that you actually rode
928 miles would be useful.
Don't you know anything?
Why do you care what I know? The problem is that you can't explain
things that are easily researched online and produce endless lies, >distortions and fabrications apparently for the purpose of salvaging
what's left of your reputation. What I know, or don't know, has
nothing to do with what YOU know. I could be a genius or an idiot andont
you would still be the unchanged Tom.
On Fri, 16 May 2025 02:11:33 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Is it your insinuation that because Strava shows zero miles that I didn't do 928 miles?
Youse guys just like to spend money. I had a mile recording device
that recorded miles by counting wheel rotations (a known distance). So
time I got home less time I started divided into distance travelled = >average speed :-)
On Thu, 15 May 2025 20:48:14 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>new one to look into Flunky'a reference. But no - it said that my NAME had a red light.
wrote:
On Fri, 16 May 2025 02:11:33 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Thu May 15 16:50:43 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 15 May 2025 19:04:44 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Why does the Strava ride say that I am blocked?
Now, that's interesting. I thought that you no longer have a Strava
account:
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/27432450>
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/114659696>
It would seem that you wiped all your data, but left the account in
place.
I recall that you intentionally closed your Strava account because too >>>> many 20 year olds were ridiculing your amazing achievements. If so,
trying to login to your former account would result in something like
"account closed". A "blocked" account would be the result of having
Strava kick you off their system, probably due to some form of abuse
or misuse.
You can "block" any other athelete you don't want to see, but I don't
think you can block yourself:
"Manage Followers and Block Athletes"
<https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216918327-Manage-Followers-and-Block-Athletes>
Want to revise your claim that you are "blocked"?
I don't know about those accounts other than I thought I needed an account in order to get into Flunky's reference. Maybe one of those accounts is the old original but the newer on was because I didn't have the account name and password so opened a
I don't think anyone cares about what you DON'T know.
I didn't mention your claim to have ridden 928 miles this year. The
number may have come from a different thread. I was commenting on
your Strava account(s) being "blocked" and your rather vague and
misleading error messages. You seem to have problems reproducing
error messages.
Is it your insinuation that because Strava shows zero miles that I didn't do 928 miles?
No. I think it's rather obvious that if Strava shows zero miles and
no other information beyond your name, you didn't record your rides on
Strava. If you have a different explanation for the absence of your
ride data, I'm willing to listen. Some proof that you actually rode
928 miles would be useful.
Don't you know anything?
Why do you care what I know? The problem is that you can't explain
things that are easily researched online and produce endless lies,
distortions and fabrications apparently for the purpose of salvaging
what's left of your reputation. What I know, or don't know, has
nothing to do with what YOU know. I could be a genius or an idiot andont
you would still be the unchanged Tom.
Youse guys just like to spend money. I had a mile recording device
that recorded miles by counting wheel rotations (a known distance). So
time I got home less time I started divided into distance travelled = average speed :-)
--
cheers,
John B.
On Fri, 16 May 2025 18:40:45 -0700, John B.
<jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Fri, 16 May 2025 02:11:33 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Is it your insinuation that because Strava shows zero miles that I didn't do 928 miles?
Youse guys just like to spend money. I had a mile recording device
that recorded miles by counting wheel rotations (a known distance). So
time I got home less time I started divided into distance travelled =
average speed :-)
I suggest you ask yourself "what problem is Tom trying to solve"
before providing solutions. In this case, the problem is that Tom has
no proof that he actually rode 928 miles over an unspecified time
interval. Without proof, I do not believe any number provided by Tom, especially those provided for self-aggrandizement. That's the real
purpose of Strava and similar online performance logging services.
There's a fairly good chance that the numbers displayed on the Strava
web site are real. There are ways to tweak the numbers in one's
favor, but why bother when there's no financial or competitive award?
Marginally related topic drift: I did my usual Friday morning walk
this morning. However, I left my smartphone at home and therefore did
not record my walk on Strava. So, no data and therefore no proof: <https://www.strava.com/athlete/training>
Maybe next Friday.
On 5/16/2025 9:40 PM, John B. wrote:
FWIW: John's method is what I used for about 15 years, a
Youse guys just like to spend money. I had a mile recording device
that recorded miles by counting wheel rotations (a known distance). So
time I got home less time I started divided into distance travelled =
average speed :-)
"tick-tick-tick" mechanical rotation counting cyclometer - with the
added trick that the number of wheel rotations in five seconds is very
close to the speed in miles per hour.
I think it was 1986 that I finally got an electronic cyclometer that displayed speed. It acted as a primitive performance motivator - as in
"I can't believe I'm not going any faster than that!!" It caused me to
push myself a bit more. Overall, I think it helped me stay in better
shape over the years.
On 5/15/2025 3:28 PM, cyclintom wrote:considerably reduced and half of the pack was sagging off the back. I have no idea what route they took since the place I passed them on the way home could have been a climbing course or a flat route. These guys were averaging just about what the
On Thu May 15 19:04:44 2025 cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 15 12:13:46 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
Funny, I've claimed exactly the opposite. From my link above:
That Zwift "ride" is a "virtual ride".Anyone can fool that. Why does the Strava ride say that I am blocked?
So your tears are all about telling us that you're really riding like a Cat 1 30 year old while the truth is something entirely different.
Meanwhile. I got two days of 7 and 8 hours of sleep and averaged almost 11 mph for a 30 mile ride. It was flat, but I'm not telling people that at 65 I'm averaging 20 mph for the year so far which for you is 600 miles.
I should also add that those speeds are for the AVERAGE rider and you can expect a 10% variation among riders.
That makes absolutely no sense. Have you been taking word salad lessons
from trump?
Today, I had some sort of club come by. I was near my coffee stop and they were just heading out. They were all in their 30's and 40's and they were making pretty good speed. On the way home I passed the same group on their way home. Their speed was
I've ridden with plenty of pros taking it easy. It's called zone training.diagnosis and treatment. Then it took me about three years to get back up to my level which was again in the front quarter of the club on climbs and dropping everyone by a LONG way on descents. Then I would ride with the back quarter on the flats.
But Flunky is averaging 20 mph over 600 miles.
Sure, in 1 to 2 hour segments. And?
Before my initial injury I was probably averaging about those reference numbers as well and at that time I was in the front quarter climbing with the club. When my injury occurred I was 65. I lost a little over two years to the injury before
Flunky, you know, a Grmain 830 can be had quite cheaply these days. So WHY don't you get one, record a ride and post it since whatever you're going does not match real life?
Oh, you mean like this?
https://www.strava.com/activities/14256779418
"Garmin Edge 530 "
Or this?
https://www.strava.com/activities/12716381377
"Garmin Forerunner 745 "
The tracking devices are listed on the right of the individual activity
page.
Before the Garmins I was using a Suunto Ambit3 https://www.strava.com/activities/5485198113
For a long while I was using a Polar 720 and posting to Strava with my
phone app.
https://www.strava.com/activities/1139611450
that's real life tommy - you should try it some time.
On Fri May 16 06:30:54 2025 zen cycle wrote:new one to look into Flunky'a reference. But no - it said that my NAME had a red light.
On 5/15/2025 11:48 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 16 May 2025 02:11:33 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Thu May 15 16:50:43 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 15 May 2025 19:04:44 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Why does the Strava ride say that I am blocked?
Now, that's interesting. I thought that you no longer have a Strava
account:
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/27432450>
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/114659696>
It would seem that you wiped all your data, but left the account in
place.
I recall that you intentionally closed your Strava account because too >> >>> many 20 year olds were ridiculing your amazing achievements. If so,
trying to login to your former account would result in something like
"account closed". A "blocked" account would be the result of having
Strava kick you off their system, probably due to some form of abuse
or misuse.
You can "block" any other athelete you don't want to see, but I don't
think you can block yourself:
"Manage Followers and Block Athletes"
<https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216918327-Manage-Followers-and-Block-Athletes>
Want to revise your claim that you are "blocked"?
I don't know about those accounts other than I thought I needed an account in order to get into Flunky's reference. Maybe one of those accounts is the old original but the newer on was because I didn't have the account name and password so opened a
I don't think anyone cares about what you DON'T know.
I didn't mention your claim to have ridden 928 miles this year. The
number may have come from a different thread. I was commenting on
your Strava account(s) being "blocked" and your rather vague and
misleading error messages. You seem to have problems reproducing
error messages.
Is it your insinuation that because Strava shows zero miles that I didn't do 928 miles?
No. I think it's rather obvious that if Strava shows zero miles and
no other information beyond your name, you didn't record your rides on
Strava. If you have a different explanation for the absence of your
ride data, I'm willing to listen. Some proof that you actually rode
928 miles would be useful.
Don't you know anything?
Why do you care what I know? The problem is that you can't explain
things that are easily researched online and produce endless lies,
distortions and fabrications apparently for the purpose of salvaging
what's left of your reputation. What I know, or don't know, has
nothing to do with what YOU know. I could be a genius or an idiot and
you would still be the unchanged Tom.
He still doesn't seem to grasp the notion that he's only _claiming_ what
his ride stats are, then claiming I'm cheating when I post actual data.
You aren't posting "real data", you are posting VIRTUAL DATA and a kidergarten child could fool that.
On 5/15/2025 11:48 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 16 May 2025 02:11:33 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Thu May 15 16:50:43 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 15 May 2025 19:04:44 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Why does the Strava ride say that I am blocked?
Now, that's interesting. I thought that you no longer have a Strava
account:
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/27432450>
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/114659696>
It would seem that you wiped all your data, but left the account in
place.
I recall that you intentionally closed your Strava account because too >>> many 20 year olds were ridiculing your amazing achievements. If so,
trying to login to your former account would result in something like
"account closed". A "blocked" account would be the result of having
Strava kick you off their system, probably due to some form of abuse
or misuse.
You can "block" any other athelete you don't want to see, but I don't
think you can block yourself:
"Manage Followers and Block Athletes"
<https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216918327-Manage-Followers-and-Block-Athletes>
Want to revise your claim that you are "blocked"?
new one to look into Flunky'a reference. But no - it said that my NAME had a red light.I don't know about those accounts other than I thought I needed an account in order to get into Flunky's reference. Maybe one of those accounts is the old original but the newer on was because I didn't have the account name and password so opened a
I don't think anyone cares about what you DON'T know.
I didn't mention your claim to have ridden 928 miles this year. The
number may have come from a different thread. I was commenting on
your Strava account(s) being "blocked" and your rather vague and
misleading error messages. You seem to have problems reproducing
error messages.
Is it your insinuation that because Strava shows zero miles that I didn't do 928 miles?
No. I think it's rather obvious that if Strava shows zero miles and
no other information beyond your name, you didn't record your rides on Strava. If you have a different explanation for the absence of your
ride data, I'm willing to listen. Some proof that you actually rode
928 miles would be useful.
Don't you know anything?
Why do you care what I know? The problem is that you can't explain
things that are easily researched online and produce endless lies, distortions and fabrications apparently for the purpose of salvaging
what's left of your reputation. What I know, or don't know, has
nothing to do with what YOU know. I could be a genius or an idiot and
you would still be the unchanged Tom.
He still doesn't seem to grasp the notion that he's only _claiming_ what
his ride stats are, then claiming I'm cheating when I post actual data.
On Thu, 15 May 2025 20:48:14 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 16 May 2025 02:11:33 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Thu May 15 16:50:43 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 15 May 2025 19:04:44 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Why does the Strava ride say that I am blocked?
Now, that's interesting. I thought that you no longer have a Strava
account:
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/27432450>
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/114659696>
It would seem that you wiped all your data, but left the account in
place.
I recall that you intentionally closed your Strava account because too >>> many 20 year olds were ridiculing your amazing achievements. If so,
trying to login to your former account would result in something like
"account closed". A "blocked" account would be the result of having
Strava kick you off their system, probably due to some form of abuse
or misuse.
You can "block" any other athelete you don't want to see, but I don't
think you can block yourself:
"Manage Followers and Block Athletes"
<https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216918327-Manage-Followers-and-Block-Athletes>
Want to revise your claim that you are "blocked"?
new one to look into Flunky'a reference. But no - it said that my NAME had a red light.I don't know about those accounts other than I thought I needed an account in order to get into Flunky's reference. Maybe one of those accounts is the old original but the newer on was because I didn't have the account name and password so opened a
I don't think anyone cares about what you DON'T know.
I didn't mention your claim to have ridden 928 miles this year. The
number may have come from a different thread. I was commenting on
your Strava account(s) being "blocked" and your rather vague and
misleading error messages. You seem to have problems reproducing
error messages.
Is it your insinuation that because Strava shows zero miles that I didn't do 928 miles?
No. I think it's rather obvious that if Strava shows zero miles and
no other information beyond your name, you didn't record your rides on >Strava. If you have a different explanation for the absence of your
ride data, I'm willing to listen. Some proof that you actually rode
928 miles would be useful.
Don't you know anything?
Why do you care what I know? The problem is that you can't explain
things that are easily researched online and produce endless lies, >distortions and fabrications apparently for the purpose of salvaging
what's left of your reputation. What I know, or don't know, has
nothing to do with what YOU know. I could be a genius or an idiot andont >you would still be the unchanged Tom.
Youse guys just like to spend money. I had a mile recording device
that recorded miles by counting wheel rotations (a known distance). So
time I got home less time I started divided into distance travelled = average speed :-)
On Mon, 19 May 2025 19:43:20 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
You aren't posting "real data", you are posting VIRTUAL DATA and a kidergarten child could fool that.
What's virtual data?
On Fri, 16 May 2025 18:40:45 -0700, John B.
<jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Fri, 16 May 2025 02:11:33 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Is it your insinuation that because Strava shows zero miles that I didn't do 928 miles?
Youse guys just like to spend money. I had a mile recording device
that recorded miles by counting wheel rotations (a known distance). So
time I got home less time I started divided into distance travelled = >average speed :-)
I suggest you ask yourself "what problem is Tom trying to solve"
before providing solutions. In this case, the problem is that Tom has
no proof that he actually rode 928 miles over an unspecified time
interval. Without proof, I do not believe any number provided by Tom, especially those provided for self-aggrandizement. That's the real
purpose of Strava and similar online performance logging services.
There's a fairly good chance that the numbers displayed on the Strava
web site are real. There are ways to tweak the numbers in one's
favor, but why bother when there's no financial or competitive award?
Marginally related topic drift: I did my usual Friday morning walk
this morning. However, I left my smartphone at home and therefore did
not record my walk on Strava. So, no data and therefore no proof: <https://www.strava.com/athlete/training>
Maybe next Friday.
On Fri May 16 19:53:39 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 16 May 2025 18:40:45 -0700, John B.
<jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Fri, 16 May 2025 02:11:33 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Is it your insinuation that because Strava shows zero miles that I didn't do 928 miles?
Youse guys just like to spend money. I had a mile recording device
that recorded miles by counting wheel rotations (a known distance). So
time I got home less time I started divided into distance travelled =
average speed :-)
I suggest you ask yourself "what problem is Tom trying to solve"
before providing solutions. In this case, the problem is that Tom has
no proof that he actually rode 928 miles over an unspecified time
interval. Without proof, I do not believe any number provided by Tom,
especially those provided for self-aggrandizement. That's the real
purpose of Strava and similar online performance logging services.
There's a fairly good chance that the numbers displayed on the Strava
web site are real. There are ways to tweak the numbers in one's
favor, but why bother when there's no financial or competitive award?
Marginally related topic drift: I did my usual Friday morning walk
this morning. However, I left my smartphone at home and therefore did
not record my walk on Strava. So, no data and therefore no proof:
<https://www.strava.com/athlete/training>
Maybe next Friday.
Jeff,you do not believe me?
Gee, that really hurts my feelings.
Especially from one who ran right down and got a mRNA vaccination to
prove me wrong.
You didn't die right away so you think you're safe.
h\Hnag in there since it will take at least 5 years for your
body to stop producing spike proteins.
On 5/16/2025 10:53 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 16 May 2025 18:40:45 -0700, John B.
<jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Fri, 16 May 2025 02:11:33 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Is it your insinuation that because Strava shows zero miles that I didn't do 928 miles?
Youse guys just like to spend money. I had a mile recording device
that recorded miles by counting wheel rotations (a known distance). So
time I got home less time I started divided into distance travelled =
average speed :-)
I suggest you ask yourself "what problem is Tom trying to solve"
before providing solutions. In this case, the problem is that Tom has
no proof that he actually rode 928 miles over an unspecified time
interval. Without proof, I do not believe any number provided by Tom, especially those provided for self-aggrandizement. That's the real
purpose of Strava and similar online performance logging services.
There's a fairly good chance that the numbers displayed on the Strava
web site are real. There are ways to tweak the numbers in one's
favor, but why bother when there's no financial or competitive award?
Marginally related topic drift: I did my usual Friday morning walk
this morning. However, I left my smartphone at home and therefore did
not record my walk on Strava. So, no data and therefore no proof: <https://www.strava.com/athlete/training>
Maybe next Friday.
"if it's not on Strava it didn't happen"
and yes, that's a thing
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/15588661221148170
"The purpose of this study was to explore the perceived psychosocial implications of Strava use among collegiate club runners."
And no, it wasn't published on April 1st.
On Mon, 19 May 2025 20:19:17 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri May 16 19:53:39 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 16 May 2025 18:40:45 -0700, John B.
<jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Fri, 16 May 2025 02:11:33 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Is it your insinuation that because Strava shows zero miles that I didn't do 928 miles?
Youse guys just like to spend money. I had a mile recording device
that recorded miles by counting wheel rotations (a known distance). So
time I got home less time I started divided into distance travelled =
average speed :-)
I suggest you ask yourself "what problem is Tom trying to solve"
before providing solutions. In this case, the problem is that Tom has
no proof that he actually rode 928 miles over an unspecified time
interval. Without proof, I do not believe any number provided by Tom,
especially those provided for self-aggrandizement. That's the real
purpose of Strava and similar online performance logging services.
There's a fairly good chance that the numbers displayed on the Strava
web site are real. There are ways to tweak the numbers in one's
favor, but why bother when there's no financial or competitive award?
Marginally related topic drift: I did my usual Friday morning walk
this morning. However, I left my smartphone at home and therefore did
not record my walk on Strava. So, no data and therefore no proof:
<https://www.strava.com/athlete/training>
Maybe next Friday.
Jeff,you do not believe me?
Yes, I do not believe you. Sometimes, you slip and tell the truth,
but most of your amazing facts are lies and fabrications. It would be helpful if you would provide proof your amazing rides.
Gee, that really hurts my feelings.
Do you really believe that anyone believes of your claims? Most, if
not all are totally unsubstantiated. It's probably not possible for
anyone to provide evidence and corroboration of all their claims.
However, you provide nothing, which would make anyone highly
suspicious of their validity. Assertion is not proof.
Oh, I almost forgot. I don't care if your feelings hurt. Take an
aspirin and you'll probably hurt less.
Especially from one who ran right down and got a mRNA vaccination to
prove me wrong.
Do you really believe I chose to be vaccinated because of anything
that you said or did? You must have an over-inflated ego. Try
setting your pump to a lower pressure.
You didn't die right away so you think you're safe.
I think that I'm safe: <https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/Bicycle-Safety.jpg>
h\Hnag in there since it will take at least 5 years for your
body to stop producing spike proteins.
In the past, I used to give talks on RF safety. There was a group
that believed that RF exposure causes brain and CNS (central nervous
system) cancer. When the number of new brain and CNS cancer cases did
not follow the number of cell phones in use, they decided that there
was a delay before an increase in brain and CNS cancers would appear.
They're still waiting for this non-existent rise in cancers. Have a
nice long wait: <https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/Cellular%20and%20cancer.pdf>
May you rot in the hell of your own creation.
On 5/16/2025 9:40 PM, John B. wrote:
Youse guys just like to spend money. I had a mile recording deviceFWIW: John's method is what I used for about 15 years, a
that recorded miles by counting wheel rotations (a known distance). So
time I got home less time I started divided into distance travelled = average speed :-)
"tick-tick-tick" mechanical rotation counting cyclometer - with the
added trick that the number of wheel rotations in five seconds is very
close to the speed in miles per hour.
I think it was 1986 that I finally got an electronic cyclometer that displayed speed. It acted as a primitive performance motivator - as in
"I can't believe I'm not going any faster than that!!" It caused me to
push myself a bit more. Overall, I think it helped me stay in better
shape over the years.
On 5/15/2025 10:11 PM, cyclintom wrote:new one to look into Flunky'a reference. But no - it said that my NAME had a red light.
On Thu May 15 16:50:43 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 15 May 2025 19:04:44 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Why does the Strava ride say that I am blocked?
Now, that's interesting. I thought that you no longer have a Strava
account:
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/27432450>
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/114659696>
It would seem that you wiped all your data, but left the account in
place.
I recall that you intentionally closed your Strava account because too
many 20 year olds were ridiculing your amazing achievements. If so,
trying to login to your former account would result in something like
"account closed". A "blocked" account would be the result of having
Strava kick you off their system, probably due to some form of abuse
or misuse.
You can "block" any other athelete you don't want to see, but I don't
think you can block yourself:
"Manage Followers and Block Athletes"
<https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216918327-Manage-Followers-and-Block-Athletes>
Want to revise your claim that you are "blocked"?
I don't know about those accounts other than I thought I needed an account in order to get into Flunky's reference. Maybe one of those accounts is the old original but the newer on was because I didn't have the account name and password so opened a
OK, let me get this straight. You can't get into Strava for whatever
reason - no account, account blocked, invalid credentials....whatever.
Yet you've spent the last two months claiming I posted a 200 mile ride
and that my stats are beyond pro level?
If you can't get into strava, you have no visibility to anything I've
posted except for time and distance for the rides.
IOW - all these claims that you saw 200 mile rides and pro-level stats
are complete fabrications.
Is it your insinuation that because Strava shows zero miles that I didn't do 928 miles?
Jeff might not be insinuating that, but I'm stating it. I've now caught
you in a blatant lie since you've admitted you can't see my account.
It's not a stretch that you're lying about your rides, especially since
you never post any tracking data.
Don't you know anything?
We know you incessantly lie about everything.
On Thu May 15 15:59:56 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:considerably reduced and half of the pack was sagging off the back. I have no idea what route they took since the place I passed them on the way home could have been a climbing course or a flat route. These guys were averaging just about what the
On 5/15/2025 3:28 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 15 19:04:44 2025 cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 15 12:13:46 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
Funny, I've claimed exactly the opposite. From my link above:
That Zwift "ride" is a "virtual ride".Anyone can fool that. Why does the Strava ride say that I am blocked?
So your tears are all about telling us that you're really riding like a Cat 1 30 year old while the truth is something entirely different.
Meanwhile. I got two days of 7 and 8 hours of sleep and averaged almost 11 mph for a 30 mile ride. It was flat, but I'm not telling people that at 65 I'm averaging 20 mph for the year so far which for you is 600 miles.
I should also add that those speeds are for the AVERAGE rider and you can expect a 10% variation among riders.
That makes absolutely no sense. Have you been taking word salad lessons
from trump?
Today, I had some sort of club come by. I was near my coffee stop and they were just heading out. They were all in their 30's and 40's and they were making pretty good speed. On the way home I passed the same group on their way home. Their speed was
diagnosis and treatment. Then it took me about three years to get back up to my level which was again in the front quarter of the club on climbs and dropping everyone by a LONG way on descents. Then I would ride with the back quarter on the flats.
I've ridden with plenty of pros taking it easy. It's called zone training. >>
But Flunky is averaging 20 mph over 600 miles.
Sure, in 1 to 2 hour segments. And?
Before my initial injury I was probably averaging about those reference numbers as well and at that time I was in the front quarter climbing with the club. When my injury occurred I was 65. I lost a little over two years to the injury before
Flunky, you know, a Grmain 830 can be had quite cheaply these days. So WHY don't you get one, record a ride and post it since whatever you're going does not match real life?
Oh, you mean like this?
https://www.strava.com/activities/14256779418
"Garmin Edge 530"
Or this?
https://www.strava.com/activities/12716381377
"Garmin Forerunner 745"
The tracking devices are listed on the right of the individual activity
page.
Before the Garmins I was using a Suunto Ambit3
https://www.strava.com/activities/5485198113
For a long while I was using a Polar 720 and posting to Strava with my
phone app.
https://www.strava.com/activities/1139611450
that's real life tommy - you should try it some time.
I see you pulled the block off of my name so that I can see your Strava files. You have a really bad habit of using virtual rides including "hill rides" on islands that even pass though the sea and doesn't even show route over the sea and being sealevel.
On Fri May 16 06:30:54 2025 zen cycle wrote:new one to look into Flunky'a reference. But no - it said that my NAME had a red light.
On 5/15/2025 11:48 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 16 May 2025 02:11:33 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Thu May 15 16:50:43 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 15 May 2025 19:04:44 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Why does the Strava ride say that I am blocked?
Now, that's interesting. I thought that you no longer have a Strava >>>>> account:
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/27432450>
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/114659696>
It would seem that you wiped all your data, but left the account in
place.
I recall that you intentionally closed your Strava account because too >>>>> many 20 year olds were ridiculing your amazing achievements. If so, >>>>> trying to login to your former account would result in something like >>>>> "account closed". A "blocked" account would be the result of having >>>>> Strava kick you off their system, probably due to some form of abuse >>>>> or misuse.
You can "block" any other athelete you don't want to see, but I don't >>>>> think you can block yourself:
"Manage Followers and Block Athletes"
<https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216918327-Manage-Followers-and-Block-Athletes>
Want to revise your claim that you are "blocked"?
I don't know about those accounts other than I thought I needed an account in order to get into Flunky's reference. Maybe one of those accounts is the old original but the newer on was because I didn't have the account name and password so opened a
I don't think anyone cares about what you DON'T know.
I didn't mention your claim to have ridden 928 miles this year. The
number may have come from a different thread. I was commenting on
your Strava account(s) being "blocked" and your rather vague and
misleading error messages. You seem to have problems reproducing
error messages.
Is it your insinuation that because Strava shows zero miles that I didn't do 928 miles?
No. I think it's rather obvious that if Strava shows zero miles and
no other information beyond your name, you didn't record your rides on
Strava. If you have a different explanation for the absence of your
ride data, I'm willing to listen. Some proof that you actually rode
928 miles would be useful.
Don't you know anything?
Why do you care what I know? The problem is that you can't explain
things that are easily researched online and produce endless lies,
distortions and fabrications apparently for the purpose of salvaging
what's left of your reputation. What I know, or don't know, has
nothing to do with what YOU know. I could be a genius or an idiot and
you would still be the unchanged Tom.
He still doesn't seem to grasp the notion that he's only _claiming_ what
his ride stats are, then claiming I'm cheating when I post actual data.
You aren't posting "real data", you are posting VIRTUAL DATA
and a kidergarten child could fool that.
That's your usual bullshit. You published a direct reference into your account. I didn't need access to your account that way. And you could hsve put that in LATER after I pointed your BS out. And you can erase ANYTHING out of your Strava File just as Ierased years of rides.
On Mon May 19 13:46:33 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 19 May 2025 20:19:17 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri May 16 19:53:39 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 16 May 2025 18:40:45 -0700, John B.
<jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Fri, 16 May 2025 02:11:33 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Is it your insinuation that because Strava shows zero miles that I didn't do 928 miles?
Youse guys just like to spend money. I had a mile recording device
that recorded miles by counting wheel rotations (a known distance). So >>>>> time I got home less time I started divided into distance travelled = >>>>> average speed :-)
I suggest you ask yourself "what problem is Tom trying to solve"
before providing solutions. In this case, the problem is that Tom has >>>> no proof that he actually rode 928 miles over an unspecified time
interval. Without proof, I do not believe any number provided by Tom, >>>> especially those provided for self-aggrandizement. That's the real
purpose of Strava and similar online performance logging services.
There's a fairly good chance that the numbers displayed on the Strava
web site are real. There are ways to tweak the numbers in one's
favor, but why bother when there's no financial or competitive award?
Marginally related topic drift: I did my usual Friday morning walk
this morning. However, I left my smartphone at home and therefore did >>>> not record my walk on Strava. So, no data and therefore no proof:
<https://www.strava.com/athlete/training>
Maybe next Friday.
Jeff,you do not believe me?
Yes, I do not believe you. Sometimes, you slip and tell the truth,
but most of your amazing facts are lies and fabrications. It would be
helpful if you would provide proof your amazing rides.
Gee, that really hurts my feelings.
Do you really believe that anyone believes of your claims? Most, if
not all are totally unsubstantiated. It's probably not possible for
anyone to provide evidence and corroboration of all their claims.
However, you provide nothing, which would make anyone highly
suspicious of their validity. Assertion is not proof.
Oh, I almost forgot. I don't care if your feelings hurt. Take an
aspirin and you'll probably hurt less.
Especially from one who ran right down and got a mRNA vaccination to
prove me wrong.
Do you really believe I chose to be vaccinated because of anything
that you said or did? You must have an over-inflated ego. Try
setting your pump to a lower pressure.
You didn't die right away so you think you're safe.
I think that I'm safe:
<https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/Bicycle-Safety.jpg>
h\Hnag in there since it will take at least 5 years for your
body to stop producing spike proteins.
In the past, I used to give talks on RF safety. There was a group
that believed that RF exposure causes brain and CNS (central nervous
system) cancer. When the number of new brain and CNS cancer cases did
not follow the number of cell phones in use, they decided that there
was a delay before an increase in brain and CNS cancers would appear.
They're still waiting for this non-existent rise in cancers. Have a
nice long wait:
<https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/Cellular%20and%20cancer.pdf> >>
May you rot in the hell of your own creation.
My rides are a very great deal less than your perception of Amazing. Your best buddy Flunky posts about his performance as a very great deal more than mine.
Krygowski who could presently do the same rides as mine if he had the motivation is not complaining since he is very well aware that he could do the same rides I'm doing with a heavy old touring bike.
Your comments about not believing my "amazing rides" are worth exactly what you are - public assistance.
On Fri May 16 10:21:44 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:new one to look into Flunky'a reference. But no - it said that my NAME had a red light.
On 5/15/2025 10:11 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 15 16:50:43 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 15 May 2025 19:04:44 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Why does the Strava ride say that I am blocked?
Now, that's interesting. I thought that you no longer have a Strava
account:
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/27432450>
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/114659696>
It would seem that you wiped all your data, but left the account in
place.
I recall that you intentionally closed your Strava account because too >>>> many 20 year olds were ridiculing your amazing achievements. If so,
trying to login to your former account would result in something like
"account closed". A "blocked" account would be the result of having
Strava kick you off their system, probably due to some form of abuse
or misuse.
You can "block" any other athelete you don't want to see, but I don't
think you can block yourself:
"Manage Followers and Block Athletes"
<https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216918327-Manage-Followers-and-Block-Athletes>
Want to revise your claim that you are "blocked"?
I don't know about those accounts other than I thought I needed an account in order to get into Flunky's reference. Maybe one of those accounts is the old original but the newer on was because I didn't have the account name and password so opened a
OK, let me get this straight. You can't get into Strava for whatever
reason - no account, account blocked, invalid credentials....whatever.
Yet you've spent the last two months claiming I posted a 200 mile ride
and that my stats are beyond pro level?
If you can't get into strava, you have no visibility to anything I've
posted except for time and distance for the rides.
IOW - all these claims that you saw 200 mile rides and pro-level stats
are complete fabrications.
Is it your insinuation that because Strava shows zero miles that I didn't do 928 miles?
Jeff might not be insinuating that, but I'm stating it. I've now caught
you in a blatant lie since you've admitted you can't see my account.
It's not a stretch that you're lying about your rides, especially since
you never post any tracking data.
Don't you know anything?
We know you incessantly lie about everything.
That's your usual bullshit. You published a direct reference into your account. I didn't need access to your account that way.
On 5/19/2025 3:43 PM, cyclintom wrote:a new one to look into Flunky'a reference. But no - it said that my NAME had a red light.
On Fri May 16 06:30:54 2025 zen cycle wrote:
On 5/15/2025 11:48 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 16 May 2025 02:11:33 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Thu May 15 16:50:43 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 15 May 2025 19:04:44 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Why does the Strava ride say that I am blocked?
Now, that's interesting. I thought that you no longer have a Strava >>>>> account:
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/27432450>
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/114659696>
It would seem that you wiped all your data, but left the account in >>>>> place.
I recall that you intentionally closed your Strava account because too >>>>> many 20 year olds were ridiculing your amazing achievements. If so, >>>>> trying to login to your former account would result in something like >>>>> "account closed". A "blocked" account would be the result of having >>>>> Strava kick you off their system, probably due to some form of abuse >>>>> or misuse.
You can "block" any other athelete you don't want to see, but I don't >>>>> think you can block yourself:
"Manage Followers and Block Athletes"
<https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216918327-Manage-Followers-and-Block-Athletes>
Want to revise your claim that you are "blocked"?
I don't know about those accounts other than I thought I needed an account in order to get into Flunky's reference. Maybe one of those accounts is the old original but the newer on was because I didn't have the account name and password so opened
I don't think anyone cares about what you DON'T know.
I didn't mention your claim to have ridden 928 miles this year. The
number may have come from a different thread. I was commenting on
your Strava account(s) being "blocked" and your rather vague and
misleading error messages. You seem to have problems reproducing
error messages.
Is it your insinuation that because Strava shows zero miles that I didn't do 928 miles?
No. I think it's rather obvious that if Strava shows zero miles and
no other information beyond your name, you didn't record your rides on >>> Strava. If you have a different explanation for the absence of your
ride data, I'm willing to listen. Some proof that you actually rode
928 miles would be useful.
Don't you know anything?
Why do you care what I know? The problem is that you can't explain
things that are easily researched online and produce endless lies,
distortions and fabrications apparently for the purpose of salvaging
what's left of your reputation. What I know, or don't know, has
nothing to do with what YOU know. I could be a genius or an idiot and >>> you would still be the unchanged Tom.
He still doesn't seem to grasp the notion that he's only _claiming_ what >> his ride stats are, then claiming I'm cheating when I post actual data.
You aren't posting "real data", you are posting VIRTUAL DATA
Wattage is wattage. It doesn't matter if you generate it on the road or not.
and a kidergarten child could fool that.
REally? Explain in your own words how one can fool smart trainer data.
This should be entertaining.
On 5/19/2025 3:40 PM, cyclintom wrote:was considerably reduced and half of the pack was sagging off the back. I have no idea what route they took since the place I passed them on the way home could have been a climbing course or a flat route. These guys were averaging just about what the
On Thu May 15 15:59:56 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 5/15/2025 3:28 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 15 19:04:44 2025 cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 15 12:13:46 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
Funny, I've claimed exactly the opposite. From my link above:
That Zwift "ride" is a "virtual ride".Anyone can fool that. Why does the Strava ride say that I am blocked?
So your tears are all about telling us that you're really riding like a Cat 1 30 year old while the truth is something entirely different.
Meanwhile. I got two days of 7 and 8 hours of sleep and averaged almost 11 mph for a 30 mile ride. It was flat, but I'm not telling people that at 65 I'm averaging 20 mph for the year so far which for you is 600 miles.
I should also add that those speeds are for the AVERAGE rider and you can expect a 10% variation among riders.
That makes absolutely no sense. Have you been taking word salad lessons
from trump?
Today, I had some sort of club come by. I was near my coffee stop and they were just heading out. They were all in their 30's and 40's and they were making pretty good speed. On the way home I passed the same group on their way home. Their speed
diagnosis and treatment. Then it took me about three years to get back up to my level which was again in the front quarter of the club on climbs and dropping everyone by a LONG way on descents. Then I would ride with the back quarter on the flats.
I've ridden with plenty of pros taking it easy. It's called zone training. >>
But Flunky is averaging 20 mph over 600 miles.
Sure, in 1 to 2 hour segments. And?
Before my initial injury I was probably averaging about those reference numbers as well and at that time I was in the front quarter climbing with the club. When my injury occurred I was 65. I lost a little over two years to the injury before
Flunky, you know, a Grmain 830 can be had quite cheaply these days. So WHY don't you get one, record a ride and post it since whatever you're going does not match real life?
Oh, you mean like this?
https://www.strava.com/activities/14256779418
"Garmin Edge 530"
Or this?
https://www.strava.com/activities/12716381377
"Garmin Forerunner 745"
The tracking devices are listed on the right of the individual activity
page.
Before the Garmins I was using a Suunto Ambit3
https://www.strava.com/activities/5485198113
For a long while I was using a Polar 720 and posting to Strava with my
phone app.
https://www.strava.com/activities/1139611450
that's real life tommy - you should try it some time.
level.I see you pulled the block off of my name so that I can see your Strava files. You have a really bad habit of using virtual rides including "hill rides" on islands that even pass though the sea and doesn't even show route over the sea and being sea
You were never blocked to begin with you dumb fuck. You're just too
braindead to be able to figure out how to use a computer.
Besides that, Mine aren't the only rides that show cross over off land.
It's a thing, you dumbass.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Strava/comments/dri7ez/why_does_zwift_create_artificial_gps_tracks/
only to expose your lies and misunderstanding of exercise physiology. My performance metrics are far from impressive.
On Mon May 19 17:53:36 2025 zen cycle wrote:a new one to look into Flunky'a reference. But no - it said that my NAME had a red light.
On 5/19/2025 3:43 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Fri May 16 06:30:54 2025 zen cycle wrote:
On 5/15/2025 11:48 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 16 May 2025 02:11:33 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Thu May 15 16:50:43 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 15 May 2025 19:04:44 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
Why does the Strava ride say that I am blocked?
Now, that's interesting. I thought that you no longer have a Strava >>>>>>> account:
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/27432450>
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/114659696>
It would seem that you wiped all your data, but left the account in >>>>>>> place.
I recall that you intentionally closed your Strava account because too >>>>>>> many 20 year olds were ridiculing your amazing achievements. If so, >>>>>>> trying to login to your former account would result in something like >>>>>>> "account closed". A "blocked" account would be the result of having >>>>>>> Strava kick you off their system, probably due to some form of abuse >>>>>>> or misuse.
You can "block" any other athelete you don't want to see, but I don't >>>>>>> think you can block yourself:
"Manage Followers and Block Athletes"
<https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216918327-Manage-Followers-and-Block-Athletes>
Want to revise your claim that you are "blocked"?
I don't know about those accounts other than I thought I needed an account in order to get into Flunky's reference. Maybe one of those accounts is the old original but the newer on was because I didn't have the account name and password so opened
You aren't posting "real data", you are posting VIRTUAL DATA
I don't think anyone cares about what you DON'T know.
I didn't mention your claim to have ridden 928 miles this year. The >>>>> number may have come from a different thread. I was commenting on
your Strava account(s) being "blocked" and your rather vague and
misleading error messages. You seem to have problems reproducing
error messages.
Is it your insinuation that because Strava shows zero miles that I didn't do 928 miles?
No. I think it's rather obvious that if Strava shows zero miles and >>>>> no other information beyond your name, you didn't record your rides on >>>>> Strava. If you have a different explanation for the absence of your >>>>> ride data, I'm willing to listen. Some proof that you actually rode >>>>> 928 miles would be useful.
Don't you know anything?
Why do you care what I know? The problem is that you can't explain
things that are easily researched online and produce endless lies,
distortions and fabrications apparently for the purpose of salvaging >>>>> what's left of your reputation. What I know, or don't know, has
nothing to do with what YOU know. I could be a genius or an idiot and >>>>> you would still be the unchanged Tom.
He still doesn't seem to grasp the notion that he's only _claiming_ what >>>> his ride stats are, then claiming I'm cheating when I post actual data. >>>
Wattage is wattage. It doesn't matter if you generate it on the road or not. >>
and a kidergarten child could fool that.
REally? Explain in your own words how one can fool smart trainer data.
This should be entertaining.
If you do not know how a watts/kg can be fooled on a smart trainer, you should siumply retain your ignorance.
On Mon, 19 May 2025 21:31:47 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>I erased years of rides.
wrote:
That's your usual bullshit. You published a direct reference into your account. I didn't need access to your account that way. And you could hsve put that in LATER after I pointed your BS out. And you can erase ANYTHING out of your Strava File just as
You might be lying. I'm not certain. I don't think you could have
been so diligent at removing only your data. Did you also delete all
your 15(?) bicycles? At some point, you claimed to have "lost" many
years of Strava ride logs. What I see on both of your accounts is
what a newly created account looks like. No settings, no photos, no equipment, no data, etc. What you probably did was close the account
and then re-create it as if you were a new user of Strava.
Incidentally, it seems that you can mass delete every activity.
However, Strava keeps the data for 30 days under "recently deleted"
before actually removing it from your account. <https://www.strava.com/athlete/training/recently_deleted>
"Deleted activities can be restored for 30 days after they are
deleted"
"Delete Your Strava Account" <https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216918827-Delete-Your-Strava-Account>
"How to Restore a Deleted Activity" <https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216927877-How-to-Restore-a-Deleted-Activity>
You could have downloaded all your account info and data before you
deleted it. I'm rather surprised you didn't do that.
"Exporting your Data and Bulk Export" <https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216918437-Exporting-your-Data-and-Bulk-Export>
Were you so afraid of the 10 year old critics that you wanted to
destroy any evidence of your performance?
On Mon May 19 17:51:26 2025 zen cycle wrote:was considerably reduced and half of the pack was sagging off the back. I have no idea what route they took since the place I passed them on the way home could have been a climbing course or a flat route. These guys were averaging just about what the
On 5/19/2025 3:40 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 15 15:59:56 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 5/15/2025 3:28 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 15 19:04:44 2025 cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 15 12:13:46 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
Funny, I've claimed exactly the opposite. From my link above:
That Zwift "ride" is a "virtual ride".Anyone can fool that. Why does the Strava ride say that I am blocked?
So your tears are all about telling us that you're really riding like a Cat 1 30 year old while the truth is something entirely different.
Meanwhile. I got two days of 7 and 8 hours of sleep and averaged almost 11 mph for a 30 mile ride. It was flat, but I'm not telling people that at 65 I'm averaging 20 mph for the year so far which for you is 600 miles.
I should also add that those speeds are for the AVERAGE rider and you can expect a 10% variation among riders.
That makes absolutely no sense. Have you been taking word salad lessons >>>> from trump?
Today, I had some sort of club come by. I was near my coffee stop and they were just heading out. They were all in their 30's and 40's and they were making pretty good speed. On the way home I passed the same group on their way home. Their speed
diagnosis and treatment. Then it took me about three years to get back up to my level which was again in the front quarter of the club on climbs and dropping everyone by a LONG way on descents. Then I would ride with the back quarter on the flats.
I've ridden with plenty of pros taking it easy. It's called zone training. >>>>
But Flunky is averaging 20 mph over 600 miles.
Sure, in 1 to 2 hour segments. And?
Before my initial injury I was probably averaging about those reference numbers as well and at that time I was in the front quarter climbing with the club. When my injury occurred I was 65. I lost a little over two years to the injury before
level.
Flunky, you know, a Grmain 830 can be had quite cheaply these days. So WHY don't you get one, record a ride and post it since whatever you're going does not match real life?
Oh, you mean like this?
https://www.strava.com/activities/14256779418
"Garmin Edge 530"
Or this?
https://www.strava.com/activities/12716381377
"Garmin Forerunner 745"
The tracking devices are listed on the right of the individual activity >>>> page.
Before the Garmins I was using a Suunto Ambit3
https://www.strava.com/activities/5485198113
For a long while I was using a Polar 720 and posting to Strava with my >>>> phone app.
https://www.strava.com/activities/1139611450
that's real life tommy - you should try it some time.
I see you pulled the block off of my name so that I can see your Strava files. You have a really bad habit of using virtual rides including "hill rides" on islands that even pass though the sea and doesn't even show route over the sea and being sea
You were never blocked to begin with you dumb fuck. You're just too
braindead to be able to figure out how to use a computer.
Besides that, Mine aren't the only rides that show cross over off land.
It's a thing, you dumbass.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Strava/comments/dri7ez/why_does_zwift_create_artificial_gps_tracks/
In case you missed it, the joke is that you actually believe a virtual ride without rolling resistance or wind resistance is a real ride.
On Mon May 19 18:02:58 2025 zen cycle wrote:
only to expose your lies and misunderstanding of exercise physiology. My
performance metrics are far from impressive.
They seem to spur you on to tell everyone else how impressive they are? 600 miles at an average speed of 20 mph?
Explain that to God on the final day.
On Mon May 19 14:59:50 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:as I erased years of rides.
On Mon, 19 May 2025 21:31:47 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
That's your usual bullshit. You published a direct reference into your account. I didn't need access to your account that way. And you could hsve put that in LATER after I pointed your BS out. And you can erase ANYTHING out of your Strava File just
You might be lying. I'm not certain. I don't think you could have
been so diligent at removing only your data. Did you also delete all
your 15(?) bicycles? At some point, you claimed to have "lost" many
years of Strava ride logs. What I see on both of your accounts is
what a newly created account looks like. No settings, no photos, no
equipment, no data, etc. What you probably did was close the account
and then re-create it as if you were a new user of Strava.
Incidentally, it seems that you can mass delete every activity.
However, Strava keeps the data for 30 days under "recently deleted"
before actually removing it from your account.
<https://www.strava.com/athlete/training/recently_deleted>
"Deleted activities can be restored for 30 days after they are
deleted"
"Delete Your Strava Account"
<https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216918827-Delete-Your-Strava-Account>
"How to Restore a Deleted Activity"
<https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216927877-How-to-Restore-a-Deleted-Activity>
You could have downloaded all your account info and data before you
deleted it. I'm rather surprised you didn't do that.
"Exporting your Data and Bulk Export"
<https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216918437-Exporting-your-Data-and-Bulk-Export>
Were you so afraid of the 10 year old critics that you wanted to
destroy any evidence of your performance?
Gee, I must have lied about my bicycles too even though I published pictures of them on facebook all obviously taken in my backyard leaning aginst the same table on Favebook.
Your being a whiny little nobody that destroyed your own life by trying to be the expert at everything sort of shows why Hitler decided to kill the lot of you. He must have had to live around people like you.
That's a rather terrible thing to say, but SOMETHING motivated that little Austrian corporal to act as judge, jury and executioner.
On Mon, 19 May 2025 19:43:20 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri May 16 06:30:54 2025 zen cycle wrote:
On 5/15/2025 11:48 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 16 May 2025 02:11:33 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Thu May 15 16:50:43 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 15 May 2025 19:04:44 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Why does the Strava ride say that I am blocked?
Now, that's interesting. I thought that you no longer have a Strava >>>>>> account:
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/27432450>
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/114659696>
It would seem that you wiped all your data, but left the account in >>>>>> place.
I recall that you intentionally closed your Strava account because too >>>>>> many 20 year olds were ridiculing your amazing achievements. If so, >>>>>> trying to login to your former account would result in something like >>>>>> "account closed". A "blocked" account would be the result of having >>>>>> Strava kick you off their system, probably due to some form of abuse >>>>>> or misuse.
You can "block" any other athelete you don't want to see, but I don't >>>>>> think you can block yourself:
"Manage Followers and Block Athletes"
<https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216918327-Manage-Followers-and-Block-Athletes>
Want to revise your claim that you are "blocked"?
I don't know about those accounts other than I thought I needed an
account in order to get into Flunky's reference. Maybe one of those
accounts is the old original but the newer on was because I didn't
have the account name and password so opened a new one to look into
Flunky'a reference. But no - it said that my NAME had a red light.
I don't think anyone cares about what you DON'T know.
I didn't mention your claim to have ridden 928 miles this year. The
number may have come from a different thread. I was commenting on
your Strava account(s) being "blocked" and your rather vague and
misleading error messages. You seem to have problems reproducing
error messages.
Is it your insinuation that because Strava shows zero miles that I didn't do 928 miles?
No. I think it's rather obvious that if Strava shows zero miles and
no other information beyond your name, you didn't record your rides on >>>> Strava. If you have a different explanation for the absence of your
ride data, I'm willing to listen. Some proof that you actually rode
928 miles would be useful.
Don't you know anything?
Why do you care what I know? The problem is that you can't explain
things that are easily researched online and produce endless lies,
distortions and fabrications apparently for the purpose of salvaging
what's left of your reputation. What I know, or don't know, has
nothing to do with what YOU know. I could be a genius or an idiot and >>>> you would still be the unchanged Tom.
He still doesn't seem to grasp the notion that he's only _claiming_ what >>> his ride stats are, then claiming I'm cheating when I post actual data.
You aren't posting "real data", you are posting VIRTUAL DATA and a
kidergarten child could fool that.
What's virtual data?
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On Mon May 19 14:59:50 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
You could have downloaded all your account info and data before you
deleted it. I'm rather surprised you didn't do that.
"Exporting your Data and Bulk Export"
<https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216918437-Exporting-your-Data-and-Bulk-Export>
Were you so afraid of the 10 year old critics that you wanted to
destroy any evidence of your performance?
Gee, I must have lied about my bicycles too even though I published pictures of them on facebook all obviously taken in my backyard leaning aginst the same table on Favebook.
Your being a whiny little nobody that destroyed your own life by trying to be the expert at everything sort of shows why Hitler decided to kill the lot of you. He must have had to live around people like you.
That's a rather terrible thing to say,
but SOMETHING motivated that little Austrian corporal to act as judge, jury and executioner.
On 5/19/2025 6:55 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon May 19 14:59:50 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
I'm done with you.
On 5/20/2025 11:05 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 5/19/2025 6:55 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon May 19 14:59:50 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
-snip the usual conversation-
I'm done with you.
...and the assembled crowd rejoiced.
On 5/20/2025 11:05 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 5/19/2025 6:55 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon May 19 14:59:50 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
-snip the usual conversation-
I'm done with you.
...and the assembled crowd rejoiced.
Tom is trying to prove that Zwift aka smart trainers that one generally
ride your own bike on the trainer which uses power meters and so on.
It?s not my interest as I?m not performance oriented, though I take a mild interest as well technology! But regardless the folks I know who use Zwift seem to get the same sort of results as they do in non virtual rides, which makes sense as it measures power etc.
That's mostly true except that you probably meant your Flickr site: <https://www.flickr.com/photos/153690295@N06>
and that all but one of the photos are dated between 2000 between and
15, with one each on 2018 and 2018. You joined in 2017 and uploaded
most of the photos in Aug 2024. All of the photos were probably
copied from one of your other web sites. So, where are your more
recent photos? At least you have your Ridley photo on Facebook: <https://www.facebook.com/thomas.kunich.1/photos> <https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1013539423124140&set=pb.100034042758783.-2207520000&type=3>
These look new and were added recently (Mar 26, 2025): <https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=1349578936186852&set=a.467381291073292> <https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1349578982853514&set=pb.100034042758783.-2207520000&type=3>
<https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1349579019520177&set=pb.100034042758783.-2207520000&type=3>
Just one problem. The glass top coffee table is yours, but the mess
in the background does not resemble your back yard as in other photos.
What happened that inspired you to make such a mess?
(...)
You could have downloaded all your account info and data before you
deleted it. I'm rather surprised you didn't do that.
"Exporting your Data and Bulk Export" ><https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216918437-Exporting-your-Data-and-Bulk-Export>
Were you so afraid of the 10 year old critics that you wanted to
destroy any evidence of your performance?
On Mon May 19 17:32:45 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Jeff, thanks for reminding me about Flicker. With the additional damage from the stroke I can't even remember that there is a Flicker.
That's mostly true except that you probably meant your Flickr site:
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/153690295@N06>
and that all but one of the photos are dated between 2000 between and
15, with one each on 2018 and 2018. You joined in 2017 and uploaded
most of the photos in Aug 2024. All of the photos were probably
copied from one of your other web sites. So, where are your more
recent photos? At least you have your Ridley photo on Facebook:
<https://www.facebook.com/thomas.kunich.1/photos>
<https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1013539423124140&set=pb.100034042758783.-2207520000&type=3>
These look new and were added recently (Mar 26, 2025):
<https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=1349578936186852&set=a.467381291073292> >> <https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1349578982853514&set=pb.100034042758783.-2207520000&type=3>
<https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1349579019520177&set=pb.100034042758783.-2207520000&type=3>
Just one problem. The glass top coffee table is yours, but the mess
in the background does not resemble your back yard as in other photos.
What happened that inspired you to make such a mess?
I apologize to you about the Hitler comments but they are true.
What would have caused that raving lunatic to kill millions unless he had been really angered by most probably a specific jew?
On 5/20/2025 11:05 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 5/19/2025 6:55 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon May 19 14:59:50 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
-snip the usual conversation-
I'm done with you.
...and the assembled crowd rejoiced.
On 5/20/2025 12:36 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/20/2025 11:05 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 5/19/2025 6:55 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon May 19 14:59:50 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
-snip the usual conversation-
I'm done with you.
...and the assembled crowd rejoiced.
Good to know you're fine with tommy promoting justifications
for the holocaust, but you take issue with people calling
him out.
fuck you too.
On 5/20/2025 12:36 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/20/2025 11:05 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 5/19/2025 6:55 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon May 19 14:59:50 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
-snip the usual conversation-
I'm done with you.
...and the assembled crowd rejoiced.
Good to know you're fine with tommy promoting justifications for the >holocaust, but you take issue with people calling him out.
fuck you too.
I've been looking up average speeds in a process of trying to discover how fast of slow I am. Most of the articles show that as an 80 year old I am riding above my age by a bit.
https://pedalstreet.com/average-cycling-speed-by-age/#Wind_and_Weather (suggests 11.5
https://ilovebicycling.com/average-bike-speed/ (note that Grand Tour riders average 25 mph for the Tour.)
https://www.cyclistshub.com/average-cycling-speed/
It appears that good riders at 60 can average about 90 watts of full time power. (That is as much power as you can generate for 20 minutes and is as meaningless a measurement as you can get) Power st this level dramatically slows you down in a headwind.software. And that was on a climb that went over 12%
But my average speed is 10 mph almost exactly and on some 25 mile rides it has been as high as almost 12 mph despite a headwind Yesterday wrecked me at 29 miles including 1,300 feet of climbing with several spot of 9% for over 100 yards.
Garmin used to report maximum rate of climb but they don't do that anymore. And looking back to before my stroke, I was climbing more than twice as much per week and my average speed with the old software was often over 10 mph or 12-13 mph with this
So, as I say, I appear to be slightly better for my age group.
And it should also give you insight into people saying that I'm so slow and telling you that they've put in 600 miles this year with an average speed of 20 mph. Especially after they've told us that they are over 60.
Whatever they are using to report their speed is highly inaccurate.
By the way, that third reference gives a chart of average speed with level of ability but that is at about age 35 where your athletic/cycling ability is at your peak.
On 5/20/2025 12:36 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/20/2025 11:05 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 5/19/2025 6:55 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon May 19 14:59:50 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
-snip the usual conversation-
I'm done with you.
...and the assembled crowd rejoiced.
Good to know you're fine with tommy promoting justifications for the holocaust, but you take issue with people calling him out.
fuck you too.
On Tue, 20 May 2025 20:19:16 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Mon May 19 17:32:45 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Jeff, thanks for reminding me about Flicker. With the additional damage from the stroke I can't even remember that there is a Flicker.
That's mostly true except that you probably meant your Flickr site:
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/153690295@N06>
and that all but one of the photos are dated between 2000 between and
15, with one each on 2018 and 2018. You joined in 2017 and uploaded
most of the photos in Aug 2024. All of the photos were probably
copied from one of your other web sites. So, where are your more
recent photos? At least you have your Ridley photo on Facebook:
<https://www.facebook.com/thomas.kunich.1/photos>
<https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1013539423124140&set=pb.100034042758783.-2207520000&type=3>
These look new and were added recently (Mar 26, 2025):
<https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=1349578936186852&set=a.467381291073292>
<https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1349578982853514&set=pb.100034042758783.-2207520000&type=3>
<https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1349579019520177&set=pb.100034042758783.-2207520000&type=3>
Just one problem. The glass top coffee table is yours, but the mess
in the background does not resemble your back yard as in other photos.
What happened that inspired you to make such a mess?
I apologize to you about the Hitler comments but they are true.
I'm not interested. Find someone else who might care about your
opinion. However, I could use an apology for tacking your worthless
comments onto a thread about your photos and then changing the topic.
If it's not too painful, try making the apology sound like you really
mean it.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-apology_apology>
"A non-apology apology, sometimes called a backhanded apology, empty
apology, nonpology, or fauxpology, is a statement in the form of an
apology that does not express remorse for what was done or said, or
assigns fault to those ostensibly receiving the apology."
What would have caused that raving lunatic to kill millions unless he had been really angered by most probably a specific jew?
I'm not interested in debating your "apology". Find someone else who
might care about your justifications for mass murder and genocide.
On Tue May 20 16:29:24 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2025 20:19:16 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Mon May 19 17:32:45 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Jeff, thanks for reminding me about Flicker. With the additional damage from the stroke I can't even remember that there is a Flicker.
That's mostly true except that you probably meant your Flickr site:
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/153690295@N06>
and that all but one of the photos are dated between 2000 between and
15, with one each on 2018 and 2018. You joined in 2017 and uploaded
most of the photos in Aug 2024. All of the photos were probably
copied from one of your other web sites. So, where are your more
recent photos? At least you have your Ridley photo on Facebook:
<https://www.facebook.com/thomas.kunich.1/photos>
<https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1013539423124140&set=pb.100034042758783.-2207520000&type=3>
These look new and were added recently (Mar 26, 2025):
<https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=1349578936186852&set=a.467381291073292>
<https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1349578982853514&set=pb.100034042758783.-2207520000&type=3>
<https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1349579019520177&set=pb.100034042758783.-2207520000&type=3>
Just one problem. The glass top coffee table is yours, but the mess
in the background does not resemble your back yard as in other photos.
What happened that inspired you to make such a mess?
I apologize to you about the Hitler comments but they are true.
I'm not interested. Find someone else who might care about your
opinion. However, I could use an apology for tacking your worthless
comments onto a thread about your photos and then changing the topic.
If it's not too painful, try making the apology sound like you really
mean it.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-apology_apology>
"A non-apology apology, sometimes called a backhanded apology, empty
apology, nonpology, or fauxpology, is a statement in the form of an
apology that does not express remorse for what was done or said, or
assigns fault to those ostensibly receiving the apology."
What would have caused that raving lunatic to kill millions unless he had been really angered by most probably a specific jew?
I'm not interested in debating your "apology". Find someone else who
might care about your justifications for mass murder and genocide.
Tell us Jeff, by what line is a semetic religion passed on?
On Wed May 21 14:13:32 2025 zen cycle wrote:
On 5/20/2025 12:36 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/20/2025 11:05 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 5/19/2025 6:55 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon May 19 14:59:50 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
-snip the usual conversation-
I'm done with you.
...and the assembled crowd rejoiced.
Good to know you're fine with tommy promoting justifications for the
holocaust, but you take issue with people calling him out.
fuck you too.
How many times do you have to be told that my mother and her parents were Jews. By extention that would make me a Jew to you antisemites.
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