https://cyclingindustry.news/uk-manufacturer-brooks-to-open-doors-to-its-birmingham-opens-doors-to-its-uk-factory
https://www.brooksengland.com/en_uk/open-factory
https://cyclingindustry.news/uk-manufacturer-brooks-to-open-doors-to-its-birmingham-opens-doors-to-its-uk-factory
https://www.brooksengland.com/en_uk/open-factory
On 2025-05-16, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
https://cyclingindustry.news/uk-manufacturer-brooks-to-open-doors-to-its-birmingham-opens-doors-to-its-uk-factory
https://www.brooksengland.com/en_uk/open-factory
Wow, I thought Brooks had been sold to Taiwan or somewhere and disappeared from the British shores...I''m glad I'm wrong.
pH
On 5/16/2025 10:35 AM, AMuzi wrote:
https://cyclingindustry.news/uk-manufacturer-brooks-to-open-doors-to-
its-birmingham-opens-doors-to-its-uk-factory
https://www.brooksengland.com/en_uk/open-factory
I'd certainly attend if I were in the neighborhood, although most Brooks >saddles don't work for me. I've always loved factory tours.
The only Brooks I like is the B-72 on my about-town 3 speed.
Am Fri, 16 May 2025 19:58:04 -0400 schrieb Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>:
On 5/16/2025 10:35 AM, AMuzi wrote:
https://cyclingindustry.news/uk-manufacturer-brooks-to-open-doors-to-
its-birmingham-opens-doors-to-its-uk-factory
https://www.brooksengland.com/en_uk/open-factory
I'd certainly attend if I were in the neighborhood, although most Brooks >>saddles don't work for me. I've always loved factory tours.
The only Brooks I like is the B-72 on my about-town 3 speed.
The only Brooks that I own is a B66 that I bought in 1993. The longer I
used the saddle, the less I liked it, for various reasons. The saddle is
not weatherproof, it needs maintenance, has to be retightened, the
screws are loosened by the vibrations and you can get caught on the hard edges at the back with a jacket. So I looked for and found a
replacement, an Italian plastic saddle, also lightly sprung,
weatherproof and much more comfortable. I then enjoyed using it it for
many years.
On 5/18/2025 9:13 AM, pH wrote:
On 2025-05-17, Wolfgang Strobl <news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Am Fri, 16 May 2025 19:58:04 -0400 schrieb Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>:
On 5/16/2025 10:35 AM, AMuzi wrote:
https://cyclingindustry.news/uk-manufacturer-brooks-to-
open-doors-to-
its-birmingham-opens-doors-to-its-uk-factory
https://www.brooksengland.com/en_uk/open-factory
I'd certainly attend if I were in the neighborhood,
although most Brooks
saddles don't work for me. I've always loved factory tours.
The only Brooks I like is the B-72 on my about-town 3
speed.
The only Brooks that I own is a B66 that I bought in
1993. The longer I
used the saddle, the less I liked it, for various
reasons. The saddle is
not weatherproof, it needs maintenance, has to be
retightened, the
screws are loosened by the vibrations and you can get
caught on the hard
edges at the back with a jacket. So I looked for and
found a
replacement, an Italian plastic saddle, also lightly sprung,
weatherproof and much more comfortable. I then enjoyed
using it it for
many years.
I'm riding my Rivendell sourced B-17. Love it.
We're all different down there.
On 5/18/2025 9:52 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/18/2025 9:13 AM, pH wrote:
On 2025-05-17, Wolfgang Strobl <news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Am Fri, 16 May 2025 19:58:04 -0400 schrieb Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>:
On 5/16/2025 10:35 AM, AMuzi wrote:
https://cyclingindustry.news/uk-manufacturer-brooks-to-
open-doors-to-
its-birmingham-opens-doors-to-its-uk-factory
https://www.brooksengland.com/en_uk/open-factory
I'd certainly attend if I were in the neighborhood,
although most Brooks
saddles don't work for me. I've always loved factory tours.
The only Brooks I like is the B-72 on my about-town 3
speed.
The only Brooks that I own is a B66 that I bought in
1993. The longer I
used the saddle, the less I liked it, for various
reasons. The saddle is
not weatherproof, it needs maintenance, has to be
retightened, the
screws are loosened by the vibrations and you can get
caught on the hard
edges at the back with a jacket. So I looked for and
found a
replacement, an Italian plastic saddle, also lightly sprung,
weatherproof and much more comfortable. I then enjoyed
using it it for
many years.
I'm riding my Rivendell sourced B-17. Love it.
We're all different down there.
Makes sense as we're all unique above the shoulders as well.
On 2025-05-17, Wolfgang Strobl <news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Am Fri, 16 May 2025 19:58:04 -0400 schrieb Frank Krygowski >><frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>:
On 5/16/2025 10:35 AM, AMuzi wrote:
https://cyclingindustry.news/uk-manufacturer-brooks-to-open-doors-to-
its-birmingham-opens-doors-to-its-uk-factory
https://www.brooksengland.com/en_uk/open-factory
I'd certainly attend if I were in the neighborhood, although most Brooks >>>saddles don't work for me. I've always loved factory tours.
The only Brooks I like is the B-72 on my about-town 3 speed.
The only Brooks that I own is a B66 that I bought in 1993. The longer I
used the saddle, the less I liked it, for various reasons. The saddle is
not weatherproof, it needs maintenance, has to be retightened, the
screws are loosened by the vibrations and you can get caught on the hard
edges at the back with a jacket. So I looked for and found a
replacement, an Italian plastic saddle, also lightly sprung,
weatherproof and much more comfortable. I then enjoyed using it it for
many years.
I'm riding my Rivendell sourced B-17. Love it.
Am Sun, 18 May 2025 13:13:35 -0000 (UTC) schrieb pH
<wNOSPAMp@gmail.org>:
On 2025-05-17, Wolfgang Strobl <news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Am Fri, 16 May 2025 19:58:04 -0400 schrieb Frank Krygowski >>><frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>:
On 5/16/2025 10:35 AM, AMuzi wrote:
https://cyclingindustry.news/uk-manufacturer-brooks-to-open-doors-to- >>>>> its-birmingham-opens-doors-to-its-uk-factory
https://www.brooksengland.com/en_uk/open-factory
I'd certainly attend if I were in the neighborhood, although most Brooks >>>>saddles don't work for me. I've always loved factory tours.
The only Brooks I like is the B-72 on my about-town 3 speed.
The only Brooks that I own is a B66 that I bought in 1993. The longer I
used the saddle, the less I liked it, for various reasons. The saddle is >>> not weatherproof, it needs maintenance, has to be retightened, the
screws are loosened by the vibrations and you can get caught on the hard >>> edges at the back with a jacket. So I looked for and found a
replacement, an Italian plastic saddle, also lightly sprung,
weatherproof and much more comfortable. I then enjoyed using it it for
many years.
I'm riding my Rivendell sourced B-17. Love it.
I'm quite happy with my 614 ERGOWAVE active 2.1 from SQlab, on the road
bike I built in 2023.
Same with the Bassano mentioned above. These are two pictures ><https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/fahrrad/saettel/bassano_PICT0186.JPG> ><https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/fahrrad/saettel/bassano_PICT0173.JPG> I
took after using the Bassano on this bike in summer and in winter ><https://www.mystrobl.de/Plone/radfahren/IMG-2461.jpeg>
since 1996. It didn't need maintenance, ever. Unfortunately, the saddle
got stolen with that bike, a while ago.
On Mon, 19 May 2025 12:48:53 +0200, Wolfgang Strobl
<news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Am Sun, 18 May 2025 13:13:35 -0000 (UTC) schrieb pH
<wNOSPAMp@gmail.org>:
On 2025-05-17, Wolfgang Strobl <news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Am Fri, 16 May 2025 19:58:04 -0400 schrieb Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>:
On 5/16/2025 10:35 AM, AMuzi wrote:
https://cyclingindustry.news/uk-manufacturer-brooks-to-open-doors-to- >>>>>> its-birmingham-opens-doors-to-its-uk-factory
https://www.brooksengland.com/en_uk/open-factory
I'd certainly attend if I were in the neighborhood, although most Brooks >>>>> saddles don't work for me. I've always loved factory tours.
The only Brooks I like is the B-72 on my about-town 3 speed.
The only Brooks that I own is a B66 that I bought in 1993. The longer I >>>> used the saddle, the less I liked it, for various reasons. The saddle is >>>> not weatherproof, it needs maintenance, has to be retightened, the
screws are loosened by the vibrations and you can get caught on the hard >>>> edges at the back with a jacket. So I looked for and found a
replacement, an Italian plastic saddle, also lightly sprung,
weatherproof and much more comfortable. I then enjoyed using it it for >>>> many years.
I'm riding my Rivendell sourced B-17. Love it.
I'm quite happy with my 614 ERGOWAVE® active 2.1 from SQlab, on the road
bike I built in 2023.
Same with the Bassano mentioned above. These are two pictures
<https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/fahrrad/saettel/bassano_PICT0186.JPG>
<https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/fahrrad/saettel/bassano_PICT0173.JPG> I
took after using the Bassano on this bike in summer and in winter
<https://www.mystrobl.de/Plone/radfahren/IMG-2461.jpeg>
since 1996. It didn't need maintenance, ever. Unfortunately, the saddle
got stolen with that bike, a while ago.
I'm often asked about why I rejected the traditional diamond frame
bicycles for the Catrike. I tell them that comfort has a lot to do
with it. Like many bicyclists, I ride for the pure pleasure of it and
why wouldn't I make it as comfortable as I can? Perched on a
traditional bicycle saddle was, for me, never comfortable.
My rides are generally four or five hours long and I often never get
up off the Catrike the entire ride. All I need for a rest stop is a
spot where there's shade. Oh, there's also no need for padded pants.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Mon, 19 May 2025 12:48:53 +0200, Wolfgang Strobl
<news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Am Sun, 18 May 2025 13:13:35 -0000 (UTC) schrieb pH
<wNOSPAMp@gmail.org>:
On 2025-05-17, Wolfgang Strobl <news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Am Fri, 16 May 2025 19:58:04 -0400 schrieb Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>:
On 5/16/2025 10:35 AM, AMuzi wrote:
https://cyclingindustry.news/uk-manufacturer-brooks-to-open-doors-to- >>>>>>> its-birmingham-opens-doors-to-its-uk-factory
https://www.brooksengland.com/en_uk/open-factory
I'd certainly attend if I were in the neighborhood, although most Brooks >>>>>> saddles don't work for me. I've always loved factory tours.
The only Brooks I like is the B-72 on my about-town 3 speed.
The only Brooks that I own is a B66 that I bought in 1993. The longer I >>>>> used the saddle, the less I liked it, for various reasons. The saddle is >>>>> not weatherproof, it needs maintenance, has to be retightened, the
screws are loosened by the vibrations and you can get caught on the hard >>>>> edges at the back with a jacket. So I looked for and found a
replacement, an Italian plastic saddle, also lightly sprung,
weatherproof and much more comfortable. I then enjoyed using it it for >>>>> many years.
I'm riding my Rivendell sourced B-17. Love it.
I'm quite happy with my 614 ERGOWAVE active 2.1 from SQlab, on the road >>> bike I built in 2023.
Same with the Bassano mentioned above. These are two pictures
<https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/fahrrad/saettel/bassano_PICT0186.JPG>
<https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/fahrrad/saettel/bassano_PICT0173.JPG> I
took after using the Bassano on this bike in summer and in winter
<https://www.mystrobl.de/Plone/radfahren/IMG-2461.jpeg>
since 1996. It didn't need maintenance, ever. Unfortunately, the saddle >>> got stolen with that bike, a while ago.
I'm often asked about why I rejected the traditional diamond frame
bicycles for the Catrike. I tell them that comfort has a lot to do
with it. Like many bicyclists, I ride for the pure pleasure of it and
why wouldn't I make it as comfortable as I can? Perched on a
traditional bicycle saddle was, for me, never comfortable.
Cant say I have any discomfort though does vary, but my bikes have relaxed >positions and Ive found a saddle that works which I fit to all of my
bikes.
My rides are generally four or five hours long and I often never get
up off the Catrike the entire ride. All I need for a rest stop is a
spot where there's shade. Oh, there's also no need for padded pants.
Not moving and load bearing isnt particularly helpful health wise, Roadies >who move a bit more than you would can be prone to low bone density as with >anything it use it or loose it.
Roger Merriman
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I'm often asked about why I rejected the traditional diamond frame
bicycles for the Catrike. I tell them that comfort has a lot to do
with it. Like many bicyclists, I ride for the pure pleasure of it and
why wouldn't I make it as comfortable as I can? Perched on a
traditional bicycle saddle was, for me, never comfortable.
My rides are generally four or five hours long and I often never get
up off the Catrike the entire ride. All I need for a rest stop is a
spot where there's shade. Oh, there's also no need for padded pants.
On 19 May 2025 15:12:22 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Mon, 19 May 2025 12:48:53 +0200, Wolfgang Strobl
<news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Am Sun, 18 May 2025 13:13:35 -0000 (UTC) schrieb pH
<wNOSPAMp@gmail.org>:
On 2025-05-17, Wolfgang Strobl <news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Am Fri, 16 May 2025 19:58:04 -0400 schrieb Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>:
On 5/16/2025 10:35 AM, AMuzi wrote:
https://cyclingindustry.news/uk-manufacturer-brooks-to-open-doors-to- >>>>>>>> its-birmingham-opens-doors-to-its-uk-factory
https://www.brooksengland.com/en_uk/open-factory
I'd certainly attend if I were in the neighborhood, although most Brooks
saddles don't work for me. I've always loved factory tours.
The only Brooks I like is the B-72 on my about-town 3 speed.
The only Brooks that I own is a B66 that I bought in 1993. The longer I >>>>>> used the saddle, the less I liked it, for various reasons. The saddle is >>>>>> not weatherproof, it needs maintenance, has to be retightened, the >>>>>> screws are loosened by the vibrations and you can get caught on the hard >>>>>> edges at the back with a jacket. So I looked for and found a
replacement, an Italian plastic saddle, also lightly sprung,
weatherproof and much more comfortable. I then enjoyed using it it for >>>>>> many years.
I'm riding my Rivendell sourced B-17. Love it.
I'm quite happy with my 614 ERGOWAVE® active 2.1 from SQlab, on the road >>>> bike I built in 2023.
Same with the Bassano mentioned above. These are two pictures
<https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/fahrrad/saettel/bassano_PICT0186.JPG>
<https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/fahrrad/saettel/bassano_PICT0173.JPG> I
took after using the Bassano on this bike in summer and in winter
<https://www.mystrobl.de/Plone/radfahren/IMG-2461.jpeg>
since 1996. It didn't need maintenance, ever. Unfortunately, the saddle >>>> got stolen with that bike, a while ago.
I'm often asked about why I rejected the traditional diamond frame
bicycles for the Catrike. I tell them that comfort has a lot to do
with it. Like many bicyclists, I ride for the pure pleasure of it and
why wouldn't I make it as comfortable as I can? Perched on a
traditional bicycle saddle was, for me, never comfortable.
Cant say I have any discomfort though does vary, but my bikes have relaxed >> positions and Ive found a saddle that works which I fit to all of my
bikes.
My rides are generally four or five hours long and I often never get
up off the Catrike the entire ride. All I need for a rest stop is a
spot where there's shade. Oh, there's also no need for padded pants.
Not moving and load bearing isnt particularly helpful health wise, Roadies >> who move a bit more than you would can be prone to low bone density as with >> anything it use it or loose it.
Roger Merriman
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Unless it's unusually wide, a saddle on a diamond frame requires that
you're putting your weight on a small pieces of bone called ischial tuberosities. On the Catrike, that bone is still in play, but my
weight is spread out over muscle tissue, and none of it is supported
on my wrists. I ride with the same weight distribution as when I'm on
my Lazyboy recliner.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Am Mon, 19 May 2025 09:24:35 -0400 schrieb Catrike Ryder ><Soloman@old.bikers.org>:
I'm often asked about why I rejected the traditional diamond frame
bicycles for the Catrike. I tell them that comfort has a lot to do
with it. Like many bicyclists, I ride for the pure pleasure of it and
why wouldn't I make it as comfortable as I can? Perched on a
traditional bicycle saddle was, for me, never comfortable.
I'm quite happy that I learned to ride a conventional bike with drop
bars decades ago, and that I still can ride it reasonably fast.
My rides are generally four or five hours long and I often never get
up off the Catrike the entire ride. All I need for a rest stop is a
spot where there's shade. Oh, there's also no need for padded pants.
Good for you. Without knowing how far you are riding and how many meters
in altitude you are climbing, however, this information is of little
use. A comfortable tricyle often is heavy and has a lot of air
resistance, making it slow or exhausting. There are exceptions, but they
are rare.
I have no problems with changing my clothing for a four or five hour
long pleasure ride. Or for being able to cover a fixed course in the
shortest possible time, without exhaustion.
So enjoy your rides, but don't think that others necessarily have to do
the same. There are many reasons not to do it that way if you are not
forced to by an infirmity.
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 19 May 2025 15:12:22 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Mon, 19 May 2025 12:48:53 +0200, Wolfgang Strobl
<news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Am Sun, 18 May 2025 13:13:35 -0000 (UTC) schrieb pH
<wNOSPAMp@gmail.org>:
On 2025-05-17, Wolfgang Strobl <news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Am Fri, 16 May 2025 19:58:04 -0400 schrieb Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>:
On 5/16/2025 10:35 AM, AMuzi wrote:
https://cyclingindustry.news/uk-manufacturer-brooks-to-open-doors-to- >>>>>>>>> its-birmingham-opens-doors-to-its-uk-factory
https://www.brooksengland.com/en_uk/open-factory
I'd certainly attend if I were in the neighborhood, although most Brooks
saddles don't work for me. I've always loved factory tours.
The only Brooks I like is the B-72 on my about-town 3 speed.
The only Brooks that I own is a B66 that I bought in 1993. The longer I >>>>>>> used the saddle, the less I liked it, for various reasons. The saddle is
not weatherproof, it needs maintenance, has to be retightened, the >>>>>>> screws are loosened by the vibrations and you can get caught on the hard
edges at the back with a jacket. So I looked for and found a
replacement, an Italian plastic saddle, also lightly sprung,
weatherproof and much more comfortable. I then enjoyed using it it for >>>>>>> many years.
I'm riding my Rivendell sourced B-17. Love it.
I'm quite happy with my 614 ERGOWAVE active 2.1 from SQlab, on the road >>>>> bike I built in 2023.
Same with the Bassano mentioned above. These are two pictures
<https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/fahrrad/saettel/bassano_PICT0186.JPG>
<https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/fahrrad/saettel/bassano_PICT0173.JPG> I >>>>> took after using the Bassano on this bike in summer and in winter
<https://www.mystrobl.de/Plone/radfahren/IMG-2461.jpeg>
since 1996. It didn't need maintenance, ever. Unfortunately, the saddle >>>>> got stolen with that bike, a while ago.
I'm often asked about why I rejected the traditional diamond frame
bicycles for the Catrike. I tell them that comfort has a lot to do
with it. Like many bicyclists, I ride for the pure pleasure of it and
why wouldn't I make it as comfortable as I can? Perched on a
traditional bicycle saddle was, for me, never comfortable.
Can?t say I have any discomfort though does vary, but my bikes have relaxed >>> positions and I?ve found a saddle that works which I fit to all of my
bikes.
My rides are generally four or five hours long and I often never get
up off the Catrike the entire ride. All I need for a rest stop is a
spot where there's shade. Oh, there's also no need for padded pants.
Not moving and load bearing isn?t particularly helpful health wise, Roadies >>> who move a bit more than you would can be prone to low bone density as with >>> anything it use it or loose it.
Roger Merriman
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Unless it's unusually wide, a saddle on a diamond frame requires that
you're putting your weight on a small pieces of bone called ischial
tuberosities. On the Catrike, that bone is still in play, but my
weight is spread out over muscle tissue, and none of it is supported
on my wrists. I ride with the same weight distribution as when I'm on
my Lazyboy recliner.
People wouldnt routinely ride bikes if it really was that uncomfortable, >they might need to swap saddles until they found the one or something.
And some folks dont help themselves by attempting to hold aggressive pro >like positions when they are a middle aged club rider etc!
Yes some people can be uncomfortable, women in particular but for most its
a non issue.
Roger Merriman
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On Mon, 19 May 2025 18:40:06 +0200, Wolfgang Strobl
<news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Am Mon, 19 May 2025 09:24:35 -0400 schrieb Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org>:
I'm often asked about why I rejected the traditional diamond frame
bicycles for the Catrike. I tell them that comfort has a lot to do
with it. Like many bicyclists, I ride for the pure pleasure of it and
why wouldn't I make it as comfortable as I can? Perched on a
traditional bicycle saddle was, for me, never comfortable.
I'm quite happy that I learned to ride a conventional bike with drop
bars decades ago, and that I still can ride it reasonably fast.
My rides are generally four or five hours long and I often never get
up off the Catrike the entire ride. All I need for a rest stop is a
spot where there's shade. Oh, there's also no need for padded pants.
Good for you. Without knowing how far you are riding and how many meters
in altitude you are climbing, however, this information is of little
use. A comfortable tricyle often is heavy and has a lot of air
resistance, making it slow or exhausting. There are exceptions, but they
are rare.
My Catrike Expedition is heavy, but it's low slung and I am stretched
out horizontally, so the air resistance is not so bad. Lately, I've
been riding 50 miles, but with almost no climbing. When I first
started riding the trike I was regularly doing 60/70/80+ miles with
just a little climbing.
https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/672323672
https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/671930529
I have no problems with changing my clothing for a four or five hour
long pleasure ride. Or for being able to cover a fixed course in the
shortest possible time, without exhaustion.
I did that for a while. I called it my time trials period. I got my
time down to 18 MPH avg for 40 miles. That was 10 years ago when I was
70 years old.
https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/671939291
Two years later I did 20 miles at 19 MPH.
https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/1175228116
Several years later, when I realized that couldn't improve on it, I
went into my ride purely for pleasure period.
So enjoy your rides, but don't think that others necessarily have to do
the same. There are many reasons not to do it that way if you are not
forced to by an infirmity.
I cannot think of any reasons for me to not do it they way I do, but
that's just me.
I do not expect anybody else to do what I do. I was just stating my preferences like others were doing in this thread. I wasn't trying to
impress anyone, with my stats posted above, it's not likely that would happen. I suspect many other riders could match or beat my statistics,
but at my age, I think I did pretty well.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On 5/19/2025 6:48 AM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Am Sun, 18 May 2025 13:13:35 -0000 (UTC) schrieb pH
<wNOSPAMp@gmail.org>:
I'm riding my Rivendell sourced B-17. Love it.
I'm quite happy with my 614 ERGOWAVE® active 2.1 from SQlab, on the road
bike I built in 2023....
When I was a newly avid rider over 50 years ago, I tried many saddles
and even modified saddles in an effort to increase comfort. For a while
I even rigged a Brooks leather saddle so that I could micro-adjust its
tilt while riding, looking for the most comfortable angle.
Now I'm much less sensitive or picky.
I have very different saddles on
the five bikes I ride most, and have negligible problems with saddle
soreness even when riding in normal everyday clothes.
I think a person
simply toughens up over time.
On Mon, 19 May 2025 18:40:06 +0200, Wolfgang Strobl
<news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Am Mon, 19 May 2025 09:24:35 -0400 schrieb Catrike Ryder >><Soloman@old.bikers.org>:
I'm often asked about why I rejected the traditional diamond frame >>>bicycles for the Catrike. I tell them that comfort has a lot to do
with it. Like many bicyclists, I ride for the pure pleasure of it and
why wouldn't I make it as comfortable as I can? Perched on a
traditional bicycle saddle was, for me, never comfortable.
I'm quite happy that I learned to ride a conventional bike with drop
bars decades ago, and that I still can ride it reasonably fast.
My rides are generally four or five hours long and I often never get
up off the Catrike the entire ride. All I need for a rest stop is a
spot where there's shade. Oh, there's also no need for padded pants.
Good for you. Without knowing how far you are riding and how many meters
in altitude you are climbing, however, this information is of little
use. A comfortable tricyle often is heavy and has a lot of air
resistance, making it slow or exhausting. There are exceptions, but they >>are rare.
My Catrike Expedition is heavy, but it's low slung and I am stretched
out horizontally, so the air resistance is not so bad. Lately, I've
been riding 50 miles, but with almost no climbing. When I first
started riding the trike I was regularly doing 60/70/80+ miles with
just a little climbing.
https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/672323672
https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/671930529
I have no problems with changing my clothing for a four or five hour
long pleasure ride. Or for being able to cover a fixed course in the >>shortest possible time, without exhaustion.
I did that for a while. I called it my time trials period. I got my
time down to 18 MPH avg for 40 miles. That was 10 years ago when I was
70 years old.
https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/671939291
Two years later I did 20 miles at 19 MPH.
https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/1175228116
Several years later, when I realized that couldn't improve on it, I
went into my ride purely for pleasure period.
So enjoy your rides, but don't think that others necessarily have to do
the same. There are many reasons not to do it that way if you are not >>forced to by an infirmity.
I cannot think of any reasons for me to not do it they way I do, but
that's just me.
I do not expect anybody else to do what I do. I was just stating my >preferences like others were doing in this thread. I wasn't trying to
impress anyone, with my stats posted above, it's not likely that would >happen. I suspect many other riders could match or beat my statistics,
but at my age, I think I did pretty well.
Am Mon, 19 May 2025 15:24:36 -0400 schrieb Catrike Ryder ><Soloman@old.bikers.org>:
On Mon, 19 May 2025 18:40:06 +0200, Wolfgang Strobl
<news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Am Mon, 19 May 2025 09:24:35 -0400 schrieb Catrike Ryder >>><Soloman@old.bikers.org>:
I'm often asked about why I rejected the traditional diamond frame >>>>bicycles for the Catrike. I tell them that comfort has a lot to do
with it. Like many bicyclists, I ride for the pure pleasure of it and >>>>why wouldn't I make it as comfortable as I can? Perched on a >>>>traditional bicycle saddle was, for me, never comfortable.
I'm quite happy that I learned to ride a conventional bike with drop
bars decades ago, and that I still can ride it reasonably fast.
My rides are generally four or five hours long and I often never get
up off the Catrike the entire ride. All I need for a rest stop is a >>>>spot where there's shade. Oh, there's also no need for padded pants.
Good for you. Without knowing how far you are riding and how many meters >>>in altitude you are climbing, however, this information is of little
use. A comfortable tricyle often is heavy and has a lot of air >>>resistance, making it slow or exhausting. There are exceptions, but they >>>are rare.
My Catrike Expedition is heavy, but it's low slung and I am stretched
out horizontally, so the air resistance is not so bad. Lately, I've
been riding 50 miles, but with almost no climbing. When I first
started riding the trike I was regularly doing 60/70/80+ miles with
just a little climbing.
That might explain it. Riding a lowracer continuously on a straight
course on flat terrain needs about 90 Watt for an average person, quite >independent of the weight of the bike.
You wouldn't have been able to ride such distances with a little more >climbing or in heavy traffic. Where I live, it gets quite hilly when you >leave the river valley and I prefer doing leisure rides in hilly terrain
and on winding regular roads, anyway. Riding a heavy tricycle during
rush hour on my way to work would not have been feasible for me either.
https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/672323672
143.13 km, 7:05:24 h, 20.2 km/h , 283 m altitude gain.
That ride is from July 2011, about 14 years ago.
I'm neither on Strava, Komoot, Alltrails nor on social networks like
Facebook or Twitter. Nor do I share my rides via Garmin outside my
family. Instead, I sometimes write tour reports, mostly in German
language and publish them where I see fit, for example on my own
website.
So a screenshot and some pictures will have to do:
<https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pic/fahrrad/aremberg2024.jpg
(Connect/Screenshot) ><https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pic/fahrrad/20240628/A0banner.jpg> ><https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pic/fahrrad/20240628/Z2profil.png>
(my own way to show the terrain profile)
<https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pic/fahrrad/20240628/C2.jpg> ><https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pic/fahrrad/20240628/Z2profil.png> ><https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pic/fahrrad/20240628/DSC06362.jpg>
Some pictures.
2024-06-28 Bonn <-> Aremberg
140.13 km 8:18:17 h, 16.9 km/h, 1,857 m altitude gain, 95 W average
Like in your case, that doesn't include pauses, less than a hour for me >during that ride.
https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/671930529
I have no problems with changing my clothing for a four or five hour
long pleasure ride. Or for being able to cover a fixed course in the >>>shortest possible time, without exhaustion.
I did that for a while. I called it my time trials period. I got my
time down to 18 MPH avg for 40 miles. That was 10 years ago when I was
70 years old.
https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/671939291
Two years later I did 20 miles at 19 MPH.
https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/1175228116
On your flat tricycle, I presume?
Several years later, when I realized that couldn't improve on it, I
went into my ride purely for pleasure period.
Before retirement, I didn't have any incentives to improve my riding, my >daily commute by bike mostly did that. Riding for pleasure was confined
to vacations and rides with my family over the weekend.
After retirement, my motivation was twofold: staying fit and having
pleasure. Of course, my road bike isn't my only bike. Yesterday I used
my ugly and heavy Dutch style bicycle to get to a large construction >market/DIY store nearby. I overtook a woman on an e-bike who was in my
way. She then accelerated to just under 25 km/h, after I had overtaken
her. Old men on Dutch style bicycles are slow, everybody knows that. I
stayed faster. :-) The difficult part wasn't the speed, but the
discipline not to apply too much force with my damaged leg, while >accelerating.
So enjoy your rides, but don't think that others necessarily have to do >>>the same. There are many reasons not to do it that way if you are not >>>forced to by an infirmity.
I cannot think of any reasons for me to not do it they way I do, but
that's just me.
AFIK nobody asked you to change your riding style. It's just that >circumstances, opportunities, personal abilities and preferences vary
greatly from person to person. Even if I'd prefer your way of riding a
bike (I don't), I wouldn't have been able to copy it, given the >circumstances.
I do not expect anybody else to do what I do. I was just stating my >>preferences like others were doing in this thread. I wasn't trying to >>impress anyone, with my stats posted above, it's not likely that would >>happen. I suspect many other riders could match or beat my statistics,
but at my age, I think I did pretty well.
Probably. But hard to tell without knowing more about your power output
and weight.
On 19 May 2025 19:08:52 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 19 May 2025 15:12:22 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Mon, 19 May 2025 12:48:53 +0200, Wolfgang Strobl
<news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Am Sun, 18 May 2025 13:13:35 -0000 (UTC) schrieb pH
<wNOSPAMp@gmail.org>:
On 2025-05-17, Wolfgang Strobl <news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Am Fri, 16 May 2025 19:58:04 -0400 schrieb Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>:
On 5/16/2025 10:35 AM, AMuzi wrote:
https://cyclingindustry.news/uk-manufacturer-brooks-to-open-doors-to-
its-birmingham-opens-doors-to-its-uk-factory
https://www.brooksengland.com/en_uk/open-factory
I'd certainly attend if I were in the neighborhood, although most Brooks
saddles don't work for me. I've always loved factory tours.
The only Brooks I like is the B-72 on my about-town 3 speed.
The only Brooks that I own is a B66 that I bought in 1993. The longer I
used the saddle, the less I liked it, for various reasons. The saddle is
not weatherproof, it needs maintenance, has to be retightened, the >>>>>>>> screws are loosened by the vibrations and you can get caught on the hard
edges at the back with a jacket. So I looked for and found a
replacement, an Italian plastic saddle, also lightly sprung,
weatherproof and much more comfortable. I then enjoyed using it it for
many years.
I'm riding my Rivendell sourced B-17. Love it.
I'm quite happy with my 614 ERGOWAVE® active 2.1 from SQlab, on the road
bike I built in 2023.
Same with the Bassano mentioned above. These are two pictures
<https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/fahrrad/saettel/bassano_PICT0186.JPG>
<https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/fahrrad/saettel/bassano_PICT0173.JPG> I >>>>>> took after using the Bassano on this bike in summer and in winter
<https://www.mystrobl.de/Plone/radfahren/IMG-2461.jpeg>
since 1996. It didn't need maintenance, ever. Unfortunately, the saddle >>>>>> got stolen with that bike, a while ago.
I'm often asked about why I rejected the traditional diamond frame
bicycles for the Catrike. I tell them that comfort has a lot to do
with it. Like many bicyclists, I ride for the pure pleasure of it and >>>>> why wouldn't I make it as comfortable as I can? Perched on a
traditional bicycle saddle was, for me, never comfortable.
Can?t say I have any discomfort though does vary, but my bikes have relaxed
positions and I?ve found a saddle that works which I fit to all of my
bikes.
My rides are generally four or five hours long and I often never get >>>>> up off the Catrike the entire ride. All I need for a rest stop is a
spot where there's shade. Oh, there's also no need for padded pants.
Not moving and load bearing isn?t particularly helpful health wise, Roadies
who move a bit more than you would can be prone to low bone density as with
anything it use it or loose it.
Roger Merriman
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Unless it's unusually wide, a saddle on a diamond frame requires that
you're putting your weight on a small pieces of bone called ischial
tuberosities. On the Catrike, that bone is still in play, but my
weight is spread out over muscle tissue, and none of it is supported
on my wrists. I ride with the same weight distribution as when I'm on
my Lazyboy recliner.
People wouldnt routinely ride bikes if it really was that uncomfortable, >> they might need to swap saddles until they found the one or something.
And some folks dont help themselves by attempting to hold aggressive pro >> like positions when they are a middle aged club rider etc!
Yes some people can be uncomfortable, women in particular but for most its >> a non issue.
Roger Merriman
--
C'est bon
Soloman
For me, it was an issue, yet I rode uncomfortable diamond frame bikes
for many years back in Wisconsin. A sore butt and sore wrists were
pretty common for me back then. I was also into weight lifting and
running and deep into no pain = no gain thinking.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 19 May 2025 19:08:52 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:That is rather into a perhaps not a you thing but getting there ie bikes >dont have to be painful!
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 19 May 2025 15:12:22 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Mon, 19 May 2025 12:48:53 +0200, Wolfgang Strobl
<news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Am Sun, 18 May 2025 13:13:35 -0000 (UTC) schrieb pH
<wNOSPAMp@gmail.org>:
On 2025-05-17, Wolfgang Strobl <news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Am Fri, 16 May 2025 19:58:04 -0400 schrieb Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>:
On 5/16/2025 10:35 AM, AMuzi wrote:The only Brooks that I own is a B66 that I bought in 1993. The longer I
https://cyclingindustry.news/uk-manufacturer-brooks-to-open-doors-to-
its-birmingham-opens-doors-to-its-uk-factory
https://www.brooksengland.com/en_uk/open-factory
I'd certainly attend if I were in the neighborhood, although most Brooks
saddles don't work for me. I've always loved factory tours. >>>>>>>>>>
The only Brooks I like is the B-72 on my about-town 3 speed. >>>>>>>>>
used the saddle, the less I liked it, for various reasons. The saddle is
not weatherproof, it needs maintenance, has to be retightened, the >>>>>>>>> screws are loosened by the vibrations and you can get caught on the hard
edges at the back with a jacket. So I looked for and found a >>>>>>>>> replacement, an Italian plastic saddle, also lightly sprung, >>>>>>>>> weatherproof and much more comfortable. I then enjoyed using it it for
many years.
I'm riding my Rivendell sourced B-17. Love it.
I'm quite happy with my 614 ERGOWAVE active 2.1 from SQlab, on the road
bike I built in 2023.
Same with the Bassano mentioned above. These are two pictures
<https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/fahrrad/saettel/bassano_PICT0186.JPG> >>>>>>> <https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/fahrrad/saettel/bassano_PICT0173.JPG> I >>>>>>> took after using the Bassano on this bike in summer and in winter >>>>>>> <https://www.mystrobl.de/Plone/radfahren/IMG-2461.jpeg>
since 1996. It didn't need maintenance, ever. Unfortunately, the saddle
got stolen with that bike, a while ago.
I'm often asked about why I rejected the traditional diamond frame >>>>>> bicycles for the Catrike. I tell them that comfort has a lot to do >>>>>> with it. Like many bicyclists, I ride for the pure pleasure of it and >>>>>> why wouldn't I make it as comfortable as I can? Perched on a
traditional bicycle saddle was, for me, never comfortable.
Can?t say I have any discomfort though does vary, but my bikes have relaxed
positions and I?ve found a saddle that works which I fit to all of my >>>>> bikes.
Not moving and load bearing isn?t particularly helpful health wise, Roadies
My rides are generally four or five hours long and I often never get >>>>>> up off the Catrike the entire ride. All I need for a rest stop is a >>>>>> spot where there's shade. Oh, there's also no need for padded pants. >>>>>
who move a bit more than you would can be prone to low bone density as with
anything it use it or loose it.
Roger Merriman
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Unless it's unusually wide, a saddle on a diamond frame requires that
you're putting your weight on a small pieces of bone called ischial
tuberosities. On the Catrike, that bone is still in play, but my
weight is spread out over muscle tissue, and none of it is supported
on my wrists. I ride with the same weight distribution as when I'm on
my Lazyboy recliner.
People wouldn?t routinely ride bikes if it really was that uncomfortable, >>> they might need to swap saddles until they found the one or something.
And some folks don?t help themselves by attempting to hold aggressive pro >>> like positions when they are a middle aged club rider etc!
Yes some people can be uncomfortable, women in particular but for most it?s >>> a non issue.
Roger Merriman
--
C'est bon
Soloman
For me, it was an issue, yet I rode uncomfortable diamond frame bikes
for many years back in Wisconsin. A sore butt and sore wrists were
pretty common for me back then. I was also into weight lifting and
running and deep into no pain = no gain thinking.
I have had saddles that were less comfortable, not painful but definitely
not perfect. Luckily Im far from a princess and pea so various saddles
that work for me.
Only sore wrists/hands or rather arm pump is from 1980/90s MTBs on long >descents, where you could get for arm pump, some of my fellow Gravellers
get arm pump but Im less likely to a) brake b) to death grip as off road >kinda need to be more Yoda and let the bike find the line.
--Roger Merriman
C'est bon
Soloman
On 5/20/2025 8:02 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Only sore wrists/hands or rather arm pump is from 1980/90’s MTB’s on long
descents, where you could get for arm pump, some of my fellow Gravellers
get arm pump ...
What's "arm pump"? I'm unfamiliar with the term.
On 20 May 2025 18:00:30 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 8:02 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:Sore fore arms from braking, on longer technical down hills, aka stuff your >> constantly reapplying the brakes.
Only sore wrists/hands or rather arm pump is from 1980/90s MTBs on long
descents, where you could get for arm pump, some of my fellow Gravellers >>>> get arm pump ...
What's "arm pump"? I'm unfamiliar with the term.
Roger Merriman
That's not why my wrists got sore. The weight of my upper body resting
on the handlebars was what made them sore.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 8:02 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:Sore fore arms from braking, on longer technical down hills, aka stuff your >constantly reapplying the brakes.
Only sore wrists/hands or rather arm pump is from 1980/90s MTBs on long >>> descents, where you could get for arm pump, some of my fellow Gravellers >>> get arm pump ...
What's "arm pump"? I'm unfamiliar with the term.
Roger Merriman
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 20 May 2025 18:00:30 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 8:02 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:Sore fore arms from braking, on longer technical down hills, aka stuff your >>> constantly reapplying the brakes.
Only sore wrists/hands or rather arm pump is from 1980/90?s MTB?s on long
descents, where you could get for arm pump, some of my fellow Gravellers >>>>> get arm pump ...
What's "arm pump"? I'm unfamiliar with the term.
Roger Merriman
That's not why my wrists got sore. The weight of my upper body resting
on the handlebars was what made them sore.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
That rather suggests a poor bike fit, which reading between the lines a
more aggressive position than is wise, particularly if its some 16 ish
years back and more, even roadies have realised that what the Pros do isnt >necessarily a good idea on a club run even a rapid one!
My Old school roadie has a moderately aggressive position but the Gravel
bike is fairly relaxed for good reason as in general off road you want to >slow stuff down, exception being CX bikes which racing on parks and so on, >tend to have very fast handling as thats what the courses tend to favour.
Roger Merriman
On 5/20/2025 2:00 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 8:02 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:Sore fore arms from braking, on longer technical down hills, aka stuff your >> constantly reapplying the brakes.
Only sore wrists/hands or rather arm pump is from 1980/90’s MTB’s on long
descents, where you could get for arm pump, some of my fellow Gravellers >>>> get arm pump ...
What's "arm pump"? I'm unfamiliar with the term.
Ah. I remember my wife complaining about that from one long, steel
descent. She refused to ever ride that hill again.
Thanks.
On 20 May 2025 18:25:32 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 20 May 2025 18:00:30 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 8:02 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:Sore fore arms from braking, on longer technical down hills, aka stuff your
Only sore wrists/hands or rather arm pump is from 1980/90?s MTB?s on long
descents, where you could get for arm pump, some of my fellow Gravellers >>>>>> get arm pump ...
What's "arm pump"? I'm unfamiliar with the term.
constantly reapplying the brakes.
Roger Merriman
That's not why my wrists got sore. The weight of my upper body resting
on the handlebars was what made them sore.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
That rather suggests a poor bike fit, which reading between the lines a
more aggressive position than is wise, particularly if its some 16 ish
years back and more, even roadies have realised that what the Pros do isnt >> necessarily a good idea on a club run even a rapid one!
My Old school roadie has a moderately aggressive position but the Gravel
bike is fairly relaxed for good reason as in general off road you want to
slow stuff down, exception being CX bikes which racing on parks and so on, >> tend to have very fast handling as thats what the courses tend to favour. >>
Roger Merriman
Might have been a poor fit. I was 6 feet, 1 & 1/2 inches tall and
about 225 lbs back when I was riding two wheelers. I wasn't built for bicycling. Most really good bicyclists I see are small and wiry.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 2:00 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:I’ve not heard it ever used by roadies but MTBers whose terrain will push brakes rather harder, and why they have 4 pot and bigger rotors and so on.
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 8:02 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:Sore fore arms from braking, on longer technical down hills, aka stuff your >>> constantly reapplying the brakes.
Only sore wrists/hands or rather arm pump is from 1980/90’s MTB’s on long
descents, where you could get for arm pump, some of my fellow Gravellers >>>>> get arm pump ...
What's "arm pump"? I'm unfamiliar with the term.
Ah. I remember my wife complaining about that from one long, steel
descent. She refused to ever ride that hill again.
Thanks.
This said my MTBing even at my weight two pot seems ample the SLX finned stuff I’ve yet to get it to fade, which I did with the original brake set, with the same rotors.
Roger Merriman
On 5/20/2025 5:43 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 2:00 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:I’ve not heard it ever used by roadies but MTBers whose terrain will push >> brakes rather harder, and why they have 4 pot and bigger rotors and so on. >>
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 8:02 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:Sore fore arms from braking, on longer technical down hills, aka stuff your
Only sore wrists/hands or rather arm pump is from 1980/90’s MTB’s on long
descents, where you could get for arm pump, some of my fellow Gravellers >>>>>> get arm pump ...
What's "arm pump"? I'm unfamiliar with the term.
constantly reapplying the brakes.
Ah. I remember my wife complaining about that from one long, steel
descent. She refused to ever ride that hill again.
Thanks.
This said my MTBing even at my weight two pot seems ample the SLX finned
stuff I’ve yet to get it to fade, which I did with the original brake set, >> with the same rotors.
Roger Merriman
Wrists, neck, and arms will get sore from braking down a long steep road descent.
zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 5:43 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:I’m sure though not to the same level as say 90’s MTB even the CX bike I had with truely woeful cantis, while did I did need to keep pulling and
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 2:00 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:I’ve not heard it ever used by roadies but MTBers whose terrain will push >>> brakes rather harder, and why they have 4 pot and bigger rotors and so on. >>>
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 8:02 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:Sore fore arms from braking, on longer technical down hills, aka stuff your
Only sore wrists/hands or rather arm pump is from 1980/90’s MTB’s on long
descents, where you could get for arm pump, some of my fellow Gravellers
get arm pump ...
What's "arm pump"? I'm unfamiliar with the term.
constantly reapplying the brakes.
Ah. I remember my wife complaining about that from one long, steel
descent. She refused to ever ride that hill again.
Thanks.
This said my MTBing even at my weight two pot seems ample the SLX finned >>> stuff I’ve yet to get it to fade, which I did with the original brake set,
with the same rotors.
Roger Merriman
Wrists, neck, and arms will get sore from braking down a long steep road
descent.
quite hard, and generally focused more on braking than on the Gravel bike with discs, wasn’t enough to give me sore arms I am admittedly fairly solidly built and all that.
Ie good reasons that MTB’s went disk first.
On 5/21/2025 12:12 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 5:43 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:I’m sure though not to the same level as say 90’s MTB even the CX bike I >> had with truely woeful cantis, while did I did need to keep pulling and
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 2:00 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:I’ve not heard it ever used by roadies but MTBers whose terrain will push
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/20/2025 8:02 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:Sore fore arms from braking, on longer technical down hills, aka stuff your
Only sore wrists/hands or rather arm pump is from 1980/90’s MTB’s on long
descents, where you could get for arm pump, some of my fellow Gravellers
get arm pump ...
What's "arm pump"? I'm unfamiliar with the term.
constantly reapplying the brakes.
Ah. I remember my wife complaining about that from one long, steel
descent. She refused to ever ride that hill again.
Thanks.
brakes rather harder, and why they have 4 pot and bigger rotors and so on. >>>>
This said my MTBing even at my weight two pot seems ample the SLX finned >>>> stuff I’ve yet to get it to fade, which I did with the original brake set,
with the same rotors.
Roger Merriman
Wrists, neck, and arms will get sore from braking down a long steep road >>> descent.
quite hard, and generally focused more on braking than on the Gravel bike
with discs, wasn’t enough to give me sore arms I am admittedly fairly
solidly built and all that.
Ie good reasons that MTB’s went disk first.
It doesn't have much to do with the quality of the brakes. In a road
bike position on a steep downhill, you have to keep your ass on the back
of the the seat but reach forward to the brakes and keep your head up.
By steep downhill I'm thinking well in the double digits range. One
downhill that meets these details is the Cathedral Ledge access road in
New hampshire.
https://www.strava.com/segments/5725330
The overall is only 10%, but there are long sections over 20%. The
pavement is narrow and choppy with frost heaves, so you can't just let
it go. By the time you get to the bottom your hands and wrists are sore
from the death grip on the brakes. You have to stretch out to keep the
real wheel on the ground, so your neck is sore from the extreme angle
looking forward while on the steep downward slope.
Disk brakes won't heal any of that.
On 5/20/2025 6:14 AM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Am Mon, 19 May 2025 13:10:21 -0400 schrieb Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>:
When I was a newly avid rider over 50 years ago, I tried many saddles
and even modified saddles in an effort to increase comfort. For a while
I even rigged a Brooks leather saddle so that I could micro-adjust its
tilt while riding, looking for the most comfortable angle.
Even road bike saddles vary greatly in their form, which usually can't
be changed, different to position (two dimensions) and tilt. I bought
the saddle for its form and selected the one fitting the distance of my
seatbones. Adjusting position and tilt came after that. I even changed
the seat post to adjust the position :-)
In the very beginning of my avid riding years, I didn't understand about
the "sit bone" measurement. My first "good" bike came with a Brooks
Champion Narrow saddle, IIRC. My bones were on the metal frame, not the >leather.
Now I'm much less sensitive or picky.
Or perhaps you are riding less, in a less exhausting way or with more
pauses.
I think riding "in an exhausting way" (or at least, riding faster) is
easier on one's butt.
It generally means more downward force on the
pedals. That means less downward force on the saddle.
| Sysop: | Keyop |
|---|---|
| Location: | Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, UK |
| Users: | 546 |
| Nodes: | 16 (2 / 14) |
| Uptime: | 54:06:03 |
| Calls: | 10,397 |
| Calls today: | 5 |
| Files: | 14,067 |
| Messages: | 6,417,408 |
| Posted today: | 1 |
