Absolutely hilarious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB7pBrudFbg
Absolutely hilarious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB7pBrudFbg
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
Absolutely hilarious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB7pBrudFbg
He’s a good watch I enjoyed him getting on of the hire bikes working >yesterday?
And yes those bikes are kinda the worse example of “the Tesla of the bike >world” ie IT fantasies about bikes than reality and all that!
Am 19 May 2025 07:53:26 GMT schrieb Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>:
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
Absolutely hilarious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB7pBrudFbg
He’s a good watch I enjoyed him getting on of the hire bikes working
yesterday?
And yes those bikes are kinda the worse example of “the Tesla of the bike >> world” ie IT fantasies about bikes than reality and all that!
The whole concept of "electrical assist" is a bad joke. Combine that
with “designer bikes” and it becomes completely ridiculous.
Wolfgang Strobl <news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Am 19 May 2025 07:53:26 GMT schrieb Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>:It’s more the black box electronics and dumb stuff like hubless wheels and >so on.
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
Absolutely hilarious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB7pBrudFbg
He’s a good watch I enjoyed him getting on of the hire bikes working
yesterday?
And yes those bikes are kinda the worse example of “the Tesla of the bike >>> world” ie IT fantasies about bikes than reality and all that!
The whole concept of "electrical assist" is a bad joke. Combine that
with “designer bikes” and it becomes completely ridiculous.
Which is step above the e bike technology which after all can be ridden and >used if off even.
Am 19 May 2025 07:53:26 GMT schrieb Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>:
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
Absolutely hilarious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB7pBrudFbg
He?s a good watch I enjoyed him getting on of the hire bikes working >yesterday?
And yes those bikes are kinda the worse example of ?the Tesla of the bike >world? ie IT fantasies about bikes than reality and all that!
The whole concept of "electrical assist" is a bad joke. Combine that
with ?designer bikes? and it becomes completely ridiculous.
Am 19 May 2025 15:20:51 GMT schrieb Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>:
Wolfgang Strobl <news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Am 19 May 2025 07:53:26 GMT schrieb Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>:It?s more the black box electronics and dumb stuff like hubless wheels and >so on.
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
Absolutely hilarious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB7pBrudFbg
He?s a good watch I enjoyed him getting on of the hire bikes working
yesterday?
And yes those bikes are kinda the worse example of ?the Tesla of the bike >>> world? ie IT fantasies about bikes than reality and all that!
The whole concept of "electrical assist" is a bad joke. Combine that
with ?designer bikes? and it becomes completely ridiculous.
That's the "designer bike" part. If it looks nice on the drawing board
and and a person knowing its shortcomings can ride it for the time it
takes to record a few videos, it has served its purpose.
Which is step above the e bike technology which after all can be ridden and >used if off even.
That's missing the point. In both cases, the motor is a necessary
ingredient to hide some shortcomings. Some people might add that a
motor powering a bicycle essentially _is_ a shortcoming. I tend to agree
with this view.
Am 19 May 2025 15:20:51 GMT schrieb Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>:
Wolfgang Strobl <news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Am 19 May 2025 07:53:26 GMT schrieb Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>:It’s more the black box electronics and dumb stuff like hubless wheels and >> so on.
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
Absolutely hilarious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB7pBrudFbg
He’s a good watch I enjoyed him getting on of the hire bikes working >>>> yesterday?
And yes those bikes are kinda the worse example of “the Tesla of the bike
world” ie IT fantasies about bikes than reality and all that!
The whole concept of "electrical assist" is a bad joke. Combine that
with “designer bikes” and it becomes completely ridiculous.
That's the "designer bike" part. If it looks nice on the drawing board
and and a person knowing its shortcomings can ride it for the time it
takes to record a few videos, it has served its purpose.
Which is step above the e bike technology which after all can be ridden and >> used if off even.
That's missing the point. In both cases, the motor is a necessary
ingredient to hide some shortcomings. Some people might add that a
motor powering a bicycle essentially _is_ a shortcoming. I tend to agree
with this view.
Wolfgang Strobl <news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Am 19 May 2025 15:20:51 GMT schrieb Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>:
Wolfgang Strobl <news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Am 19 May 2025 07:53:26 GMT schrieb Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>: >>>It?s more the black box electronics and dumb stuff like hubless wheels and >> so on.
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
Absolutely hilarious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB7pBrudFbg
He?s a good watch I enjoyed him getting on of the hire bikes working >>>> yesterday?
And yes those bikes are kinda the worse example of ?the Tesla of the bike
world? ie IT fantasies about bikes than reality and all that!
The whole concept of "electrical assist" is a bad joke. Combine that
with ?designer bikes? and it becomes completely ridiculous.
That's the "designer bike" part. If it looks nice on the drawing board
and and a person knowing its shortcomings can ride it for the time it
takes to record a few videos, it has served its purpose.
He tends to collect bikes particularly if interesting ones, so i suspect
he?s ridden it a fair bit, I don?t believe that bike ever worked well motor or not it?s simply not designed well, ie the stiff uncomfortable ride and
so on.
Which is step above the e bike technology which after all can be ridden and
used if off even.
That's missing the point. In both cases, the motor is a necessary ingredient to hide some shortcomings. Some people might add that a
motor powering a bicycle essentially _is_ a shortcoming. I tend to agree with this view.
No plenty of hire bikes don?t have motors and ride fine for what they are, both have rather ponderous ride and so on, and neither go particularly
fast, the vast majority of London?s Boris bikes aren?t electric.
The Lime bikes and similar dockless bikes do all seem to be electric, but doesn?t make much difference to the bike, both plod along and so on.
Wolfgang Strobl <news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Am 19 May 2025 15:20:51 GMT schrieb Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>:
Wolfgang Strobl <news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Am 19 May 2025 07:53:26 GMT schrieb Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>: >>>>It’s more the black box electronics and dumb stuff like hubless wheels and
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
Absolutely hilarious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB7pBrudFbg
He’s a good watch I enjoyed him getting on of the hire bikes working >>>>> yesterday?
And yes those bikes are kinda the worse example of “the Tesla of the bike
world” ie IT fantasies about bikes than reality and all that!
The whole concept of "electrical assist" is a bad joke. Combine that
with “designer bikes” and it becomes completely ridiculous.
so on.
That's the "designer bike" part. If it looks nice on the drawing board
and and a person knowing its shortcomings can ride it for the time it
takes to record a few videos, it has served its purpose.
He tends to collect bikes particularly if interesting ones, so i suspect >he’s ridden it a fair bit, I don’t believe that bike ever worked well motor
or not it’s simply not designed well, ie the stiff uncomfortable ride and >so on.
No plenty of hire bikes don’t have motors and ride fine for what they are,
Which is step above the e bike technology which after all can be ridden and >>> used if off even.
That's missing the point. In both cases, the motor is a necessary
ingredient to hide some shortcomings. Some people might add that a
motor powering a bicycle essentially _is_ a shortcoming. I tend to agree
with this view.
both have rather ponderous ride and so on, and neither go particularly
fast, the vast majority of London’s Boris bikes aren’t electric.
The Lime bikes and similar dockless bikes do all seem to be electric, but >doesn’t make much difference to the bike, both plod along and so on.
Am 19 May 2025 19:03:02 GMT schrieb Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>:
Wolfgang Strobl <news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Am 19 May 2025 15:20:51 GMT schrieb Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>:
Wolfgang Strobl <news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Am 19 May 2025 07:53:26 GMT schrieb Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>: >>>>>It’s more the black box electronics and dumb stuff like hubless wheels and
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
Absolutely hilarious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB7pBrudFbg
He’s a good watch I enjoyed him getting on of the hire bikes working >>>>>> yesterday?
And yes those bikes are kinda the worse example of “the Tesla of the bike
world” ie IT fantasies about bikes than reality and all that!
The whole concept of "electrical assist" is a bad joke. Combine that >>>>> with “designer bikes” and it becomes completely ridiculous.
so on.
That's the "designer bike" part. If it looks nice on the drawing board
and and a person knowing its shortcomings can ride it for the time it
takes to record a few videos, it has served its purpose.
He tends to collect bikes particularly if interesting ones, so i suspect
he’s ridden it a fair bit, I don’t believe that bike ever worked well motor
or not it’s simply not designed well, ie the stiff uncomfortable ride and >> so on.
I wouldn't call designer bikes like these interesting. Bikes like the
Rival Reevo hubless ebike are dangerous crap powered by a 750 watt motor
that gets hyped and is marketed to idiots.
When you look up the web, hype outweigths critical reviews.
Hype: <https://mrgadget.com.au/reevo-the-hubless-e-bike-review/>
Critical review <https://cyclingmagazine.ca/mtb/the-reevo-hubless-ebike-a-futuristic-disaster-on-two-wheels/>
Dubious designer bikes existed long before the advent of ebikes, but got
out of fashion, for obvious reasons. The ability to mask some of their shortcomings by using a powerful electrical motor and some software
voodoo might change that. Some of those who want to sell this crap at
least seem to believe it.
No plenty of hire bikes don’t have motors and ride fine for what they are,
Which is step above the e bike technology which after all can be ridden and
used if off even.
That's missing the point. In both cases, the motor is a necessary
ingredient to hide some shortcomings. Some people might add that a
motor powering a bicycle essentially _is_ a shortcoming. I tend to agree >>> with this view.
That's missing the point again. We are talking about a specific ebike,
here. What does bike rental of conventional bicycles have to do with
that?
both have rather ponderous ride and so on, and neither go particularly
fast, the vast majority of London’s Boris bikes aren’t electric.
The Lime bikes and similar dockless bikes do all seem to be electric, but
doesn’t make much difference to the bike, both plod along and so on.
It may not make a big difference to the bike, but it does to the rider.
I wouldn't care if these motorcycles weren't marketed as bicycles and if
the successful lobbying of groups interested in selling them hadn't
resulted in these motorcycles being equated with bicycles by law in most European countries.
Am 19 May 2025 19:03:02 GMT schrieb Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>:
Wolfgang Strobl <news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Am 19 May 2025 15:20:51 GMT schrieb Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>:
Wolfgang Strobl <news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Am 19 May 2025 07:53:26 GMT schrieb Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>: >>>>>It’s more the black box electronics and dumb stuff like hubless wheels and
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
Absolutely hilarious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB7pBrudFbg
He’s a good watch I enjoyed him getting on of the hire bikes working >>>>>> yesterday?
And yes those bikes are kinda the worse example of “the Tesla of the bike
world” ie IT fantasies about bikes than reality and all that!
The whole concept of "electrical assist" is a bad joke. Combine that >>>>> with “designer bikes” and it becomes completely ridiculous.
so on.
That's the "designer bike" part. If it looks nice on the drawing board
and and a person knowing its shortcomings can ride it for the time it
takes to record a few videos, it has served its purpose.
He tends to collect bikes particularly if interesting ones, so i suspect
he’s ridden it a fair bit, I don’t believe that bike ever worked well motor
or not it’s simply not designed well, ie the stiff uncomfortable ride and >> so on.
I wouldn't call designer bikes like these interesting. Bikes like the
Rival Reevo hubless ebike are dangerous crap powered by a 750 watt motor
that gets hyped and is marketed to idiots.
When you look up the web, hype outweigths critical reviews.
Hype: <https://mrgadget.com.au/reevo-the-hubless-e-bike-review/>
Critical review <https://cyclingmagazine.ca/mtb/the-reevo-hubless-ebike-a-futuristic-disaster-on-two-wheels/>
Dubious designer bikes existed long before the advent of ebikes, but got
out of fashion, for obvious reasons. The ability to mask some of their shortcomings by using a powerful electrical motor and some software
voodoo might change that. Some of those who want to sell this crap at
least seem to believe it.
No plenty of hire bikes don’t have motors and ride fine for what they are,
Which is step above the e bike technology which after all can be ridden and
used if off even.
That's missing the point. In both cases, the motor is a necessary
ingredient to hide some shortcomings. Some people might add that a
motor powering a bicycle essentially _is_ a shortcoming. I tend to agree >>> with this view.
That's missing the point again. We are talking about a specific ebike,
here. What does bike rental of conventional bicycles have to do with
that?
both have rather ponderous ride and so on, and neither go particularly
fast, the vast majority of London’s Boris bikes aren’t electric.
The Lime bikes and similar dockless bikes do all seem to be electric, but
doesn’t make much difference to the bike, both plod along and so on.
It may not make a big difference to the bike, but it does to the rider.
I wouldn't care if these motorcycles weren't marketed as bicycles and if
the successful lobbying of groups interested in selling them hadn't
resulted in these motorcycles being equated with bicycles by law in most European countries.
On 5/20/2025 3:30 AM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
I wouldn't care if these motorcycles weren't marketed as bicycles and if
the successful lobbying of groups interested in selling them hadn't
resulted in these motorcycles being equated with bicycles by law in most
European countries.
I think it may be worse in the U.S. than in Europe. Our ebikes have
power assist to higher speeds. I'm hearing quite a few complaints about
fast ebikes buzzing by and scaring the sort of slow and fearful
bicyclists that use bike lanes instead of roadways, as well as the pedestrians. Admittedly, I've not heard of any actual crashes yet in
that situation.
There's also been talk of trail damage in our local forest preserve,
which has always been open to mountain bikes but closed to motorized vehicles. Our state, like most, legally pretends that the motors in
these things don't exist.
Am 19 May 2025 19:03:02 GMT schrieb Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>:
Wolfgang Strobl <news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Am 19 May 2025 15:20:51 GMT schrieb Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>:
Wolfgang Strobl <news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Am 19 May 2025 07:53:26 GMT schrieb Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>: >>>>It?s more the black box electronics and dumb stuff like hubless wheels and
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
Absolutely hilarious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB7pBrudFbg
He?s a good watch I enjoyed him getting on of the hire bikes working >>>>> yesterday?
And yes those bikes are kinda the worse example of ?the Tesla of the bike
world? ie IT fantasies about bikes than reality and all that!
The whole concept of "electrical assist" is a bad joke. Combine that >>>> with ?designer bikes? and it becomes completely ridiculous.
so on.
That's the "designer bike" part. If it looks nice on the drawing board
and and a person knowing its shortcomings can ride it for the time it
takes to record a few videos, it has served its purpose.
He tends to collect bikes particularly if interesting ones, so i suspect >he?s ridden it a fair bit, I don?t believe that bike ever worked well motor >or not it?s simply not designed well, ie the stiff uncomfortable ride and >so on.
I wouldn't call designer bikes like these interesting. Bikes like the
Rival Reevo hubless ebike are dangerous crap powered by a 750 watt motor
that gets hyped and is marketed to idiots.
When you look up the web, hype outweigths critical reviews.
Hype: <https://mrgadget.com.au/reevo-the-hubless-e-bike-review/>
Critical review <https://cyclingmagazine.ca/mtb/the-reevo-hubless-ebike-a-futuristic-disaster-on-two-wheels/>
Dubious designer bikes existed long before the advent of ebikes, but got
out of fashion, for obvious reasons. The ability to mask some of their shortcomings by using a powerful electrical motor and some software
voodoo might change that. Some of those who want to sell this crap at
least seem to believe it.
No plenty of hire bikes don?t have motors and ride fine for what they are,
Which is step above the e bike technology which after all can be ridden and
used if off even.
That's missing the point. In both cases, the motor is a necessary
ingredient to hide some shortcomings. Some people might add that a
motor powering a bicycle essentially _is_ a shortcoming. I tend to agree >> with this view.
That's missing the point again. We are talking about a specific ebike,
here. What does bike rental of conventional bicycles have to do with
that?
both have rather ponderous ride and so on, and neither go particularly >fast, the vast majority of London?s Boris bikes aren?t electric.
The Lime bikes and similar dockless bikes do all seem to be electric, but >doesn?t make much difference to the bike, both plod along and so on.
It may not make a big difference to the bike, but it does to the rider.
I wouldn't care if these motorcycles weren't marketed as bicycles and if
the successful lobbying of groups interested in selling them hadn't
resulted in these motorcycles being equated with bicycles by law in most European countries.
On 5/20/2025 2:37 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon May 19 22:27:25 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/19/2025 6:06 PM, cyclintom wrote:
 That cop I mentioned, who saved my life, has had a progressing
heart problem (his wife is a nurse and made sure that they were both
vaccinated). The vaccine no doubt scarred his pericardium ...
I guess we now have to add cardiology to the long list of matters in
which Tom is more knowledgeable than those with relevant educations,
degrees, licenses, etc. That list is long indeed!
We're lucky to have one of the World's Greatest Authorities in this
group.
Aren't you the one without experience saying that I wasn't and
electronics engineer? You seem to be changing your mind a gread deal.
Nope. I'll note that without sufficient experience of sufficient
quality, documented by references, one cannot be granted a PE license.
That's on top of proper education, of course.
But I've not changed my mind about the fact that you were never an
engineer.
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