• Bicycle outing with happy ending

    From AMuzi@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 21 10:18:50 2025
    Too bad the pervert lived.

    https://nypost.com/2025/05/20/us-news/hero-dad-rescues-11-year-old-daughter-from-perv-who-dragged-her-into-a-remote-area-of-nyc-park-cops/
    --
    Andrew Muzi
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  • From Catrike Ryder@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Wed May 21 11:26:46 2025
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 10:18:50 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    Too bad the pervert lived.

    https://nypost.com/2025/05/20/us-news/hero-dad-rescues-11-year-old-daughter-from-perv-who-dragged-her-into-a-remote-area-of-nyc-park-cops/

    Put him in prison and make sure the general population of that prison
    know why he's there.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman

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  • From Shadow@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Wed May 21 17:10:30 2025
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 10:18:50 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    Too bad the pervert lived.

    https://nypost.com/2025/05/20/us-news/hero-dad-rescues-11-year-old-daughter-from-perv-who-dragged-her-into-a-remote-area-of-nyc-park-cops/

    //
    A local parent said he’s wary of the more remote areas in the park,
    and that he’s often encountered "crazy people" lurking there.
    //

    Id say.
    //
    (He) snatched her and tried to sexually assault her while the pair
    were riding their bikes
    //

    Almost impossible. Only a crazy person would do that. Can you
    imagine how complicated it must be to rape someone while riding a
    bicycle?

    Weird. Doesn't Trump's "biggest and bestist heathcare EVER"
    cover mental diseases?
    Next MAGA-hats will be defending the "crazy people's" right to
    buy guns. LOL.

    PS Aproximately 1-1.5% of any population is psychotic(usually schizophrenic). They have NO IDEA they're crazy. Only an efficient
    public health system can identify and ensure they get adequate free
    treatment. And of course, keep them away from guns.
    []'s

    --
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  • From Catrike Ryder@21:1/5 to Shadow on Wed May 21 16:23:16 2025
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 17:10:30 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:

    On Wed, 21 May 2025 10:18:50 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    Too bad the pervert lived.
    https://nypost.com/2025/05/20/us-news/hero-dad-rescues-11-year-old-daughter-from-perv-who-dragged-her-into-a-remote-area-of-nyc-park-cops/

    //
    A local parent said he’s wary of the more remote areas in the park,
    and that he’s often encountered "crazy people" lurking there.
    //

    Id say.
    //
    (He) snatched her and tried to sexually assault her while the pair
    were riding their bikes
    //

    Almost impossible. Only a crazy person would do that. Can you
    imagine how complicated it must be to rape someone while riding a
    bicycle?

    Weird. Doesn't Trump's "biggest and bestist heathcare EVER"
    cover mental diseases?
    Next MAGA-hats will be defending the "crazy people's" right to
    buy guns. LOL.

    PS Aproximately 1-1.5% of any population is psychotic(usually
    schizophrenic). They have NO IDEA they're crazy. Only an efficient
    public health system can identify and ensure they get adequate free >treatment. And of course, keep them away from guns.
    []'s


    It used to be that people like that got put away in facilities. Then,
    in 1963, the jackasses in the government decided that was wrong, and
    turned them all loose. Like you say, many emotionally disturbed people
    have no idea they are emotionally disturbed and are not going to
    voluntarily submit to treatment.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Shadow on Wed May 21 15:28:07 2025
    On 5/21/2025 3:10 PM, Shadow wrote:
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 10:18:50 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    Too bad the pervert lived.

    https://nypost.com/2025/05/20/us-news/hero-dad-rescues-11-year-old-daughter-from-perv-who-dragged-her-into-a-remote-area-of-nyc-park-cops/

    //
    A local parent said he’s wary of the more remote areas in the park,
    and that he’s often encountered "crazy people" lurking there.
    //

    Id say.
    //
    (He) snatched her and tried to sexually assault her while the pair
    were riding their bikes
    //

    Almost impossible. Only a crazy person would do that. Can you
    imagine how complicated it must be to rape someone while riding a
    bicycle?

    Weird. Doesn't Trump's "biggest and bestist heathcare EVER"
    cover mental diseases?
    Next MAGA-hats will be defending the "crazy people's" right to
    buy guns. LOL.

    PS Aproximately 1-1.5% of any population is psychotic(usually schizophrenic). They have NO IDEA they're crazy. Only an efficient
    public health system can identify and ensure they get adequate free treatment. And of course, keep them away from guns.
    []'s


    Good questions.

    First off, muggers run out from cover and smack/push/crash
    cyclists, then rob them while they are disoriented on the
    pavement. I would assume a rapist would do much the same.

    Secondly, bums are legendarily resistant to any
    intervention, any authority, any change. What they want is
    dope and/or liquor. Give them shelter, and they will go back
    to the alley where dope and liquor are more easily
    scrounged, 24 hours every day. Those prescribed psychiatric
    drugs quit taking their meds, which are mostly free.

    p.s .They especially dislike non-smoking areas (medical
    facilities, jails, churches) as nicotine really does
    ameliorate many symptoms of mental illness.

    https://nida.nih.gov/publications/research-reports/tobacco-nicotine-e-cigarettes/do-people-mental-illness-substance-use-disorders-use-tobacco-more-often

    --
    Andrew Muzi
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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Catrike Ryder on Wed May 21 15:41:42 2025
    On 5/21/2025 3:23 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 17:10:30 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:

    On Wed, 21 May 2025 10:18:50 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    Too bad the pervert lived.

    https://nypost.com/2025/05/20/us-news/hero-dad-rescues-11-year-old-daughter-from-perv-who-dragged-her-into-a-remote-area-of-nyc-park-cops/

    //
    A local parent said he’s wary of the more remote areas in the park,
    and that he’s often encountered "crazy people" lurking there.
    //

    Id say.
    //
    (He) snatched her and tried to sexually assault her while the pair
    were riding their bikes
    //

    Almost impossible. Only a crazy person would do that. Can you
    imagine how complicated it must be to rape someone while riding a
    bicycle?

    Weird. Doesn't Trump's "biggest and bestist heathcare EVER"
    cover mental diseases?
    Next MAGA-hats will be defending the "crazy people's" right to
    buy guns. LOL.

    PS Aproximately 1-1.5% of any population is psychotic(usually
    schizophrenic). They have NO IDEA they're crazy. Only an efficient
    public health system can identify and ensure they get adequate free
    treatment. And of course, keep them away from guns.
    []'s


    It used to be that people like that got put away in facilities. Then,
    in 1963, the jackasses in the government decided that was wrong, and
    turned them all loose. Like you say, many emotionally disturbed people
    have no idea they are emotionally disturbed and are not going to
    voluntarily submit to treatment.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman

    That's a true accounting so far as it goes.

    But the public reaction to several well publicized instances
    of institutional abuse of mentally ill spurred politicians
    to act, which was widely supported at the time. Those were
    horrible, and real, but not representative.

    The unintended consequences now punish the citizenry
    generally more than the inmates before 1963.

    As several large counties' sheriffs have noted about their
    jails, they are running the largest mental illness
    facilities in their area.

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Frank Krygowski on Wed May 21 20:21:30 2025
    On 5/21/2025 6:12 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 5/21/2025 4:41 PM, AMuzi wrote:

    But the public reaction to several well publicized
    instances of institutional abuse of mentally ill spurred
    politicians to act, which was widely supported at the
    time.  Those were horrible, and real,  but not
    representative.

    The unintended consequences now punish the citizenry
    generally more than the inmates before 1963.

    And that should be a lesson in why general public policy
    should not be driven by extreme outlier cases.


    OK, what's an outlier and what's not?

    Emmett Till?

    Differences seem very clear 60 years on, but public policy,
    like actual war, requires action in the present without
    perfect information.

    p.s. I'm no better than the next guy at this.

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Frank Krygowski on Thu May 22 12:48:25 2025
    On 5/22/2025 12:17 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 5/21/2025 9:21 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 5/21/2025 6:12 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 5/21/2025 4:41 PM, AMuzi wrote:

    But the public reaction to several well publicized
    instances of institutional abuse of mentally ill spurred
    politicians to act, which was widely supported at the
    time.  Those were horrible, and real, but not
    representative.

    The unintended consequences now punish the citizenry
    generally more than the inmates before 1963.

    And that should be a lesson in why general public policy
    should not be driven by extreme outlier cases.


    OK, what's an outlier and what's not?

    Emmett Till?

    The murder of Emmett Till was not an outlier, which was the
    main point of the publicity it generated.

    Emmett Till's murder was an example, bringing to public
    consciousness a widespread practice of lynchings and general
    oppression of black people in the deep south.

    Sometimes one incident can call attention to a big problem,
    but that doesn't make the incident an outlier, except
    perhaps in its press-worthiness.



    Not unique, but the total is much less than most people think:

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1175147/lynching-by-race-state-and-race/

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/map-shows-over-a-century-of-documented-lynchings-in-united-states-180961877/

    Roughly 86 per year.

    Ohio, for example 10 white, 16 black.

    Emmet Till's murder was significant in many ways and an
    oultier in the sense that most received no publicity whatsoever.

    There's nothing good to say about that, but Emmett Till's
    death was a significant event toward passage of Mr
    Eisenhower's 1957 Civil Rights Act.

    As always, one man's crucial incident is another's
    meaningless trivia.

    p.s. The first USA lynching was of a group of Italians in
    New Orleans. No one talked about 'civil rights' in that
    context, and yet they did die at the end of a rope.

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From Shadow@21:1/5 to Soloman@old.bikers.org on Thu May 22 18:57:32 2025
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 16:23:16 -0400, Catrike Ryder
    <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

    On Wed, 21 May 2025 17:10:30 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:

    On Wed, 21 May 2025 10:18:50 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    Too bad the pervert lived.
    https://nypost.com/2025/05/20/us-news/hero-dad-rescues-11-year-old-daughter-from-perv-who-dragged-her-into-a-remote-area-of-nyc-park-cops/

    //
    A local parent said he’s wary of the more remote areas in the park,
    and that he’s often encountered "crazy people" lurking there.
    //

    Id say.
    //
    (He) snatched her and tried to sexually assault her while the pair
    were riding their bikes
    //

    Almost impossible. Only a crazy person would do that. Can you
    imagine how complicated it must be to rape someone while riding a
    bicycle?

    Weird. Doesn't Trump's "biggest and bestist heathcare EVER"
    cover mental diseases?
    Next MAGA-hats will be defending the "crazy people's" right to
    buy guns. LOL.

    PS Aproximately 1-1.5% of any population is psychotic(usually >>schizophrenic). They have NO IDEA they're crazy. Only an efficient
    public health system can identify and ensure they get adequate free >>treatment. And of course, keep them away from guns.
    []'s


    It used to be that people like that got put away in facilities. Then,
    in 1963, the jackasses in the government decided that was wrong, and
    turned them all loose. Like you say, many emotionally disturbed people
    have no idea they are emotionally disturbed and are not going to
    voluntarily submit to treatment.

    I worked for a while as a psychiatrist in a government
    facility for the mentally impaired. Schizophrenics and people with
    very low IQs were quite happy there. No walls or fences, they worked
    in a community garden that produced vegetables or in a "factory" that
    produced hand-made utilities. Way better off there than on the
    streets, at a minimal cost.
    Not sure, but I think most of Europe works like that too...

    There is no way this sort of thing can be "privatized", or
    you'll have "businessmen" paying doctors to label people psychotic so
    they work for free.
    Note that most sociopaths are NOT psychotic. They can be a
    real problem, they often refuse to work and are always running off to
    get money to buy alcohol or drugs. Sometime jail is the best place for
    them.
    []'s
    --
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  • From Catrike Ryder@21:1/5 to Shadow on Thu May 22 18:13:49 2025
    On Thu, 22 May 2025 18:57:32 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:

    On Wed, 21 May 2025 16:23:16 -0400, Catrike Ryder
    <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

    On Wed, 21 May 2025 17:10:30 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:

    On Wed, 21 May 2025 10:18:50 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    Too bad the pervert lived.
    https://nypost.com/2025/05/20/us-news/hero-dad-rescues-11-year-old-daughter-from-perv-who-dragged-her-into-a-remote-area-of-nyc-park-cops/

    //
    A local parent said he’s wary of the more remote areas in the park,
    and that he’s often encountered "crazy people" lurking there.
    //

    Id say.
    //
    (He) snatched her and tried to sexually assault her while the pair
    were riding their bikes
    //

    Almost impossible. Only a crazy person would do that. Can you >>>imagine how complicated it must be to rape someone while riding a >>>bicycle?

    Weird. Doesn't Trump's "biggest and bestist heathcare EVER"
    cover mental diseases?
    Next MAGA-hats will be defending the "crazy people's" right to
    buy guns. LOL.

    PS Aproximately 1-1.5% of any population is psychotic(usually >>>schizophrenic). They have NO IDEA they're crazy. Only an efficient
    public health system can identify and ensure they get adequate free >>>treatment. And of course, keep them away from guns.
    []'s


    It used to be that people like that got put away in facilities. Then,
    in 1963, the jackasses in the government decided that was wrong, and
    turned them all loose. Like you say, many emotionally disturbed people
    have no idea they are emotionally disturbed and are not going to >>voluntarily submit to treatment.

    I worked for a while as a psychiatrist in a government
    facility for the mentally impaired. Schizophrenics and people with
    very low IQs were quite happy there. No walls or fences, they worked
    in a community garden that produced vegetables or in a "factory" that >produced hand-made utilities. Way better off there than on the
    streets, at a minimal cost.
    Not sure, but I think most of Europe works like that too...

    There is no way this sort of thing can be "privatized", or
    you'll have "businessmen" paying doctors to label people psychotic so
    they work for free.
    Note that most sociopaths are NOT psychotic. They can be a
    real problem, they often refuse to work and are always running off to
    get money to buy alcohol or drugs. Sometime jail is the best place for
    them.
    []'s

    Perhaps, but they're running around free.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Shadow on Thu May 22 19:24:16 2025
    On 5/22/2025 4:57 PM, Shadow wrote:
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 16:23:16 -0400, Catrike Ryder
    <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

    On Wed, 21 May 2025 17:10:30 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:

    On Wed, 21 May 2025 10:18:50 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    Too bad the pervert lived.

    https://nypost.com/2025/05/20/us-news/hero-dad-rescues-11-year-old-daughter-from-perv-who-dragged-her-into-a-remote-area-of-nyc-park-cops/

    //
    A local parent said he’s wary of the more remote areas in the park,
    and that he’s often encountered "crazy people" lurking there.
    //

    Id say.
    //
    (He) snatched her and tried to sexually assault her while the pair
    were riding their bikes
    //

    Almost impossible. Only a crazy person would do that. Can you
    imagine how complicated it must be to rape someone while riding a
    bicycle?

    Weird. Doesn't Trump's "biggest and bestist heathcare EVER"
    cover mental diseases?
    Next MAGA-hats will be defending the "crazy people's" right to
    buy guns. LOL.

    PS Aproximately 1-1.5% of any population is psychotic(usually
    schizophrenic). They have NO IDEA they're crazy. Only an efficient
    public health system can identify and ensure they get adequate free
    treatment. And of course, keep them away from guns.
    []'s


    It used to be that people like that got put away in facilities. Then,
    in 1963, the jackasses in the government decided that was wrong, and
    turned them all loose. Like you say, many emotionally disturbed people
    have no idea they are emotionally disturbed and are not going to
    voluntarily submit to treatment.

    I worked for a while as a psychiatrist in a government
    facility for the mentally impaired. Schizophrenics and people with
    very low IQs were quite happy there. No walls or fences, they worked
    in a community garden that produced vegetables or in a "factory" that produced hand-made utilities. Way better off there than on the
    streets, at a minimal cost.
    Not sure, but I think most of Europe works like that too...

    There is no way this sort of thing can be "privatized", or
    you'll have "businessmen" paying doctors to label people psychotic so
    they work for free.
    Note that most sociopaths are NOT psychotic. They can be a
    real problem, they often refuse to work and are always running off to
    get money to buy alcohol or drugs. Sometime jail is the best place for
    them.
    []'s

    Quite sensible.

    But here in USA, the widely publicized abuses at a few
    government run institutions created demand for dissolution
    and here we are. The present situation is unfair to
    taxpayers, unfair to crime victims and unfair to the addled
    themselves, with no changes imminent.

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From John B.@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Thu May 22 20:58:05 2025
    On Thu, 22 May 2025 12:48:25 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 5/22/2025 12:17 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 5/21/2025 9:21 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 5/21/2025 6:12 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 5/21/2025 4:41 PM, AMuzi wrote:

    But the public reaction to several well publicized
    instances of institutional abuse of mentally ill spurred
    politicians to act, which was widely supported at the
    time.  Those were horrible, and real, but not
    representative.

    The unintended consequences now punish the citizenry
    generally more than the inmates before 1963.

    And that should be a lesson in why general public policy
    should not be driven by extreme outlier cases.


    OK, what's an outlier and what's not?

    Emmett Till?

    The murder of Emmett Till was not an outlier, which was the
    main point of the publicity it generated.

    Emmett Till's murder was an example, bringing to public
    consciousness a widespread practice of lynchings and general
    oppression of black people in the deep south.

    Sometimes one incident can call attention to a big problem,
    but that doesn't make the incident an outlier, except
    perhaps in its press-worthiness.



    Not unique, but the total is much less than most people think:

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1175147/lynching-by-race-state-and-race/

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/map-shows-over-a-century-of-documented-lynchings-in-united-states-180961877/

    Roughly 86 per year.

    Ohio, for example 10 white, 16 black.

    Emmet Till's murder was significant in many ways and an
    oultier in the sense that most received no publicity whatsoever.

    There's nothing good to say about that, but Emmett Till's
    death was a significant event toward passage of Mr
    Eisenhower's 1957 Civil Rights Act.

    As always, one man's crucial incident is another's
    meaningless trivia.

    p.s. The first USA lynching was of a group of Italians in
    New Orleans. No one talked about 'civil rights' in that
    context, and yet they did die at the end of a rope.


    But I wonder... how many that were hung were in fact guilty of the
    crime that they were executed for?
    In the Italian lynching 6 of the 19 had been declared innocent.
    ( it was also the introduction of the word "mafia" into the U.S.
    dialect)

    --
    cheers,

    John B.

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to John B. on Fri May 23 07:52:41 2025
    On 5/22/2025 10:58 PM, John B. wrote:
    On Thu, 22 May 2025 12:48:25 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 5/22/2025 12:17 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 5/21/2025 9:21 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 5/21/2025 6:12 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 5/21/2025 4:41 PM, AMuzi wrote:

    But the public reaction to several well publicized
    instances of institutional abuse of mentally ill spurred
    politicians to act, which was widely supported at the
    time.  Those were horrible, and real, but not
    representative.

    The unintended consequences now punish the citizenry
    generally more than the inmates before 1963.

    And that should be a lesson in why general public policy
    should not be driven by extreme outlier cases.


    OK, what's an outlier and what's not?

    Emmett Till?

    The murder of Emmett Till was not an outlier, which was the
    main point of the publicity it generated.

    Emmett Till's murder was an example, bringing to public
    consciousness a widespread practice of lynchings and general
    oppression of black people in the deep south.

    Sometimes one incident can call attention to a big problem,
    but that doesn't make the incident an outlier, except
    perhaps in its press-worthiness.



    Not unique, but the total is much less than most people think:

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1175147/lynching-by-race-state-and-race/ >>
    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/map-shows-over-a-century-of-documented-lynchings-in-united-states-180961877/

    Roughly 86 per year.

    Ohio, for example 10 white, 16 black.

    Emmet Till's murder was significant in many ways and an
    oultier in the sense that most received no publicity whatsoever.

    There's nothing good to say about that, but Emmett Till's
    death was a significant event toward passage of Mr
    Eisenhower's 1957 Civil Rights Act.

    As always, one man's crucial incident is another's
    meaningless trivia.

    p.s. The first USA lynching was of a group of Italians in
    New Orleans. No one talked about 'civil rights' in that
    context, and yet they did die at the end of a rope.


    But I wonder... how many that were hung were in fact guilty of the
    crime that they were executed for?
    In the Italian lynching 6 of the 19 had been declared innocent.
    ( it was also the introduction of the word "mafia" into the U.S.
    dialect)

    --
    cheers,

    John B.


    That's an important observation. And my most serious
    reservation about capital punishment.

    Was there a black horse thief hanged ever? Most likely. But
    that doesn't mitigate the larger tragedy.

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 23 19:26:08 2025
    On Wed May 21 16:23:16 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 17:10:30 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:

    On Wed, 21 May 2025 10:18:50 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    Too bad the pervert lived.
    https://nypost.com/2025/05/20/us-news/hero-dad-rescues-11-year-old-daughter-from-perv-who-dragged-her-into-a-remote-area-of-nyc-park-cops/

    //
    A local parent said he?s wary of the more remote areas in the park,
    and that he?s often encountered "crazy people" lurking there.
    //

    Id say.
    //
    (He) snatched her and tried to sexually assault her while the pair
    were riding their bikes
    //

    Almost impossible. Only a crazy person would do that. Can you
    imagine how complicated it must be to rape someone while riding a
    bicycle?

    Weird. Doesn't Trump's "biggest and bestist heathcare EVER"
    cover mental diseases?
    Next MAGA-hats will be defending the "crazy people's" right to
    buy guns. LOL.

    PS Aproximately 1-1.5% of any population is psychotic(usually
    schizophrenic). They have NO IDEA they're crazy. Only an efficient
    public health system can identify and ensure they get adequate free >treatment. And of course, keep them away from guns.
    []'s


    It used to be that people like that got put away in facilities. Then,
    in 1963, the jackasses in the government decided that was wrong, and
    turned them all loose. Like you say, many emotionally disturbed people
    have no idea they are emotionally disturbed and are not going to
    voluntarily submit to treatment.




    Those facilities were NEVER properly funded and became nothing more than poorly managed prisons.Most of the lunatics on the streets now are severely addicted people that cannot and woulod not be cured of their addiction. Fentanyl will kill them and therw'
    s no way to stop it.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Shadow@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 23 17:28:46 2025
    On Fri, 23 May 2025 19:26:08 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed May 21 16:23:16 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 17:10:30 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:

    On Wed, 21 May 2025 10:18:50 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    Too bad the pervert lived.

    https://nypost.com/2025/05/20/us-news/hero-dad-rescues-11-year-old-daughter-from-perv-who-dragged-her-into-a-remote-area-of-nyc-park-cops/

    //
    A local parent said he?s wary of the more remote areas in the park,
    and that he?s often encountered "crazy people" lurking there.
    //

    Id say.
    //
    (He) snatched her and tried to sexually assault her while the pair
    were riding their bikes
    //

    Almost impossible. Only a crazy person would do that. Can you
    imagine how complicated it must be to rape someone while riding a
    bicycle?

    Weird. Doesn't Trump's "biggest and bestist heathcare EVER"
    cover mental diseases?
    Next MAGA-hats will be defending the "crazy people's" right to
    buy guns. LOL.

    PS Aproximately 1-1.5% of any population is psychotic(usually
    schizophrenic). They have NO IDEA they're crazy. Only an efficient
    public health system can identify and ensure they get adequate free
    treatment. And of course, keep them away from guns.
    []'s


    It used to be that people like that got put away in facilities. Then,
    in 1963, the jackasses in the government decided that was wrong, and
    turned them all loose. Like you say, many emotionally disturbed people
    have no idea they are emotionally disturbed and are not going to
    voluntarily submit to treatment.




    Those facilities were NEVER properly funded and became nothing more than poorly managed prisons.Most of the lunatics on the streets now are severely addicted people that cannot and woulod not be cured of their addiction.

    1 to 1.5% were born schizophrenic. Many of the others were
    conned by Big Pharma into thinking opiates were harmless. They are
    anything but harmless....

    Fentanyl will kill them and therw's no way to stop it.

    I thought putting tariffs on imports from countries with
    penguins solved the fentanyl problem....
    I'll have to verify my source. It's called "biggest bestist
    truth" or something very like that.
    []'s
    --
    Don't be evil - Google 2004
    We have a new policy - Google 2012
    Google Fuchsia - 2021

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Fri May 23 18:45:33 2025
    On 5/23/2025 2:26 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Wed May 21 16:23:16 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 17:10:30 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:

    On Wed, 21 May 2025 10:18:50 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    Too bad the pervert lived.

    https://nypost.com/2025/05/20/us-news/hero-dad-rescues-11-year-old-daughter-from-perv-who-dragged-her-into-a-remote-area-of-nyc-park-cops/

    //
    A local parent said he?s wary of the more remote areas in the park,
    and that he?s often encountered "crazy people" lurking there.
    //

    Id say.
    //
    (He) snatched her and tried to sexually assault her while the pair
    were riding their bikes
    //

    Almost impossible. Only a crazy person would do that. Can you
    imagine how complicated it must be to rape someone while riding a
    bicycle?

    Weird. Doesn't Trump's "biggest and bestist heathcare EVER"
    cover mental diseases?
    Next MAGA-hats will be defending the "crazy people's" right to
    buy guns. LOL.

    PS Aproximately 1-1.5% of any population is psychotic(usually
    schizophrenic). They have NO IDEA they're crazy. Only an efficient
    public health system can identify and ensure they get adequate free
    treatment. And of course, keep them away from guns.
    []'s


    It used to be that people like that got put away in facilities. Then,
    in 1963, the jackasses in the government decided that was wrong, and
    turned them all loose. Like you say, many emotionally disturbed people
    have no idea they are emotionally disturbed and are not going to
    voluntarily submit to treatment.




    Those facilities were NEVER properly funded and became nothing more than poorly managed prisons.Most of the lunatics on the streets now are severely addicted people that cannot and woulod not be cured of their addiction. Fentanyl will kill them and
    therw's no way to stop it.

    In theory.
    But the numbers are not decreasing by themselves:

    https://ktla.com/news/california/a-southern-california-mayor-says-he-wants-to-give-homeless-people-all-the-fentanyl-they-want/

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Shadow@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Fri May 23 21:44:57 2025
    On Fri, 23 May 2025 18:45:33 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 5/23/2025 2:26 PM, cyclintom wrote:

    Those facilities were NEVER properly funded and became nothing more than poorly managed prisons.Most of the lunatics on the streets now are severely addicted people that cannot and woulod not be cured of their addiction. Fentanyl will kill them and
    therw's no way to stop it.

    In theory.
    But the numbers are not decreasing by themselves:

    https://ktla.com/news/california/a-southern-california-mayor-says-he-wants-to-give-homeless-people-all-the-fentanyl-they-want/

    Terrible reporting. Why didn't the reporters ask the mayor to
    explain how and why that would solve anything... politicians love to
    talk. Instead they just ignored the reason(s).
    Whatever he's doing, he's doing it right. Re-elected SIX
    times, wow!!!
    []'s
    --
    Don't be evil - Google 2004
    We have a new policy - Google 2012
    Google Fuchsia - 2021

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Shadow on Fri May 23 19:56:11 2025
    On 5/23/2025 7:44 PM, Shadow wrote:
    On Fri, 23 May 2025 18:45:33 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 5/23/2025 2:26 PM, cyclintom wrote:

    Those facilities were NEVER properly funded and became nothing more than poorly managed prisons.Most of the lunatics on the streets now are severely addicted people that cannot and woulod not be cured of their addiction. Fentanyl will kill them and
    therw's no way to stop it.

    In theory.
    But the numbers are not decreasing by themselves:

    https://ktla.com/news/california/a-southern-california-mayor-says-he-wants-to-give-homeless-people-all-the-fentanyl-they-want/

    Terrible reporting. Why didn't the reporters ask the mayor to
    explain how and why that would solve anything... politicians love to
    talk. Instead they just ignored the reason(s).
    Whatever he's doing, he's doing it right. Re-elected SIX
    times, wow!!!
    []'s

    No one need have that spelled out. Even Mr Kunich saw the
    desired outcome.

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Shadow@21:1/5 to frkrygow@sbcglobal.net on Sat May 24 10:03:31 2025
    On Fri, 23 May 2025 22:48:21 -0400, Frank Krygowski
    <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 5/23/2025 7:45 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    ....
    But the numbers are not decreasing by themselves:

    https://ktla.com/news/california/a-southern-california-mayor-says-he-
    wants-to-give-homeless-people-all-the-fentanyl-they-want/

    Andrew, I remember you arguing in favor of legalizing drugs. Am I mistaken?

    Cannabis should be legalized. It's practically harmless.
    People should be allowed to grow it at home, like they are in Uruguay.
    Most American States just "legalized" the Mafia, and profits finance
    other crimes. In Uruguay there is no profit involved, so it is no
    longer a problem.

    Opioids prescriptions OTOH should be severely controlled. Most
    addicts start off taking someone's "back pain medicine".
    There are practically no opioid addicts in Brazil, because any
    doctor that prescribes has to justify WHY he prescribed it. Cancer
    usually gets a pass, but temporary pains like kidney stones,
    fractures etc do NOT. Expect to lose your license for prescribing in
    these cases( a couple of doses is admissible, but not a week
    prescription)
    Trafficking opiates should be punished with life imprisonment.
    Pity most of it is done by military and para-military groups that went
    to Afghanistan, they are practically above the law in the US. The
    brunt of police oppression is on users and small dealers. When was the
    last time they intercepted a multi-ton shipment?

    Cocaine and its derivatives (crack)should also be combated.
    It's not addictive, people that use it do so because law enforcement
    either does not take it seriously, or is involved in the distribution.
    Tha DEA is famous in Brazil for pressuring judges to release the
    really big drug lords. Bolsonaro was using the presidential plane to
    traffic it, and the far-right wing PSDB party was practically financed
    by cocaine trafficking.
    My take on drugs ...
    The drug that kills more than any other is alcohol. But nobody
    says that. Bad for business. And too many addicts.
    []'s
    --
    Don't be evil - Google 2004
    We have a new policy - Google 2012
    Google Fuchsia - 2021

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Frank Krygowski on Sat May 24 07:47:51 2025
    On 5/23/2025 9:48 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 5/23/2025 7:45 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 5/23/2025 2:26 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Wed May 21 16:23:16 2025 Catrike Ryder  wrote:
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 17:10:30 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 21 May 2025 10:18:50 -0500, AMuzi
    <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    Too bad the pervert lived.

    https://nypost.com/2025/05/20/us-news/hero-dad-
    rescues-11-year-old- daughter-from-perv-who-dragged-
    her-into-a-remote-area-of-nyc-park- cops/

    //
    A local parent said he?s wary of the more remote areas
    in the park,
    and that he?s often encountered "crazy people" lurking
    there.
    //

        Id say.
    //
    (He) snatched her and tried to sexually assault her
    while the pair
    were riding their bikes
    //

        Almost impossible. Only a crazy person would do
    that. Can you
    imagine how complicated it must be to rape someone
    while riding a
    bicycle?

        Weird. Doesn't Trump's "biggest and bestist
    heathcare EVER"
    cover mental diseases?
        Next MAGA-hats will be defending the "crazy
    people's" right to
    buy guns. LOL.

        PS Aproximately 1-1.5% of any population is
    psychotic(usually
    schizophrenic). They have NO IDEA they're crazy. Only
    an efficient
    public health system can identify and ensure they get
    adequate free
    treatment. And of course, keep them away from guns.
        []'s


    It used to be that people like that got put away in
    facilities. Then,
    in 1963, the jackasses in the government decided that
    was wrong, and
    turned them all loose. Like you say, many emotionally
    disturbed people
    have no idea they are emotionally disturbed and are not
    going to
    voluntarily submit to treatment.




    Those facilities were NEVER properly funded and became
    nothing more than poorly managed prisons.Most of the
    lunatics on the streets now are severely addicted people
    that cannot and woulod not be cured of their addiction.
    Fentanyl will kill them and therw's no way to stop it.

    In theory.
    But the numbers are not decreasing by themselves:

    https://ktla.com/news/california/a-southern-california-
    mayor-says-he- wants-to-give-homeless-people-all-the-
    fentanyl-they-want/

    Andrew, I remember you arguing in favor of legalizing drugs.
    Am I mistaken?


    I'm agnostic, and there are serious concerns on every side
    of that argument.

    I believe I wrote merely that 100 years of worldwide Heroin
    ban has cost huge amounts of money, attention, all sorts of
    resources (human labor not otherwise productive) and ruined
    lives and yet it's cheaper and more pure than ever and in
    most neighborhoods can be delivered faster than a pizza.

    This is not a successful policy.

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Shadow on Sat May 24 09:16:53 2025
    On 5/24/2025 8:03 AM, Shadow wrote:
    On Fri, 23 May 2025 22:48:21 -0400, Frank Krygowski
    <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 5/23/2025 7:45 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    ....
    But the numbers are not decreasing by themselves:

    https://ktla.com/news/california/a-southern-california-mayor-says-he-
    wants-to-give-homeless-people-all-the-fentanyl-they-want/

    Andrew, I remember you arguing in favor of legalizing drugs. Am I mistaken?

    Cannabis should be legalized. It's practically harmless.
    People should be allowed to grow it at home, like they are in Uruguay.
    Most American States just "legalized" the Mafia, and profits finance
    other crimes. In Uruguay there is no profit involved, so it is no
    longer a problem.

    Opioids prescriptions OTOH should be severely controlled. Most
    addicts start off taking someone's "back pain medicine".
    There are practically no opioid addicts in Brazil, because any
    doctor that prescribes has to justify WHY he prescribed it. Cancer
    usually gets a pass, but temporary pains like kidney stones,
    fractures etc do NOT. Expect to lose your license for prescribing in
    these cases( a couple of doses is admissible, but not a week
    prescription)
    Trafficking opiates should be punished with life imprisonment.
    Pity most of it is done by military and para-military groups that went
    to Afghanistan, they are practically above the law in the US. The
    brunt of police oppression is on users and small dealers. When was the
    last time they intercepted a multi-ton shipment?

    Cocaine and its derivatives (crack)should also be combated.
    It's not addictive, people that use it do so because law enforcement
    either does not take it seriously, or is involved in the distribution.
    Tha DEA is famous in Brazil for pressuring judges to release the
    really big drug lords. Bolsonaro was using the presidential plane to
    traffic it, and the far-right wing PSDB party was practically financed
    by cocaine trafficking.
    My take on drugs ...
    The drug that kills more than any other is alcohol. But nobody
    says that. Bad for business. And too many addicts.
    []'s

    I'm mostly with you (with some quibbles on details) but for
    the past century no lack of effort, expense or suffering,
    with many able creative minds across most nations has
    resulted in ... nothing.

    A few simple charts on that: https://www.slideshare.net/slideshow/econ-101-hayek-and-why-we-are-losing-the-war-against-drugs/7464990

    My Libertarian streak leans toward no regulation at all,
    along Hayek's famous comment that we all can see the harm a
    man can do to himself with dangerous drugs. But once we
    limit that, can a man not harm himself more with bad ideas,
    bad books, bad plays? Once we enter that area, there is no
    limit to the assault on liberty.

    (I paraphrase because I could not find a link readily)

    Even so far as cannabis, I am conflicted. Yes, probably like
    you, I know people who have made a small habit of smoking
    for many years with no obvious downside. That said,
    relaxation of enforcement has also created a generation of
    adolescent and even preteen stoners whose development has
    been severely limited and the most recent (last 5 years or
    so) turn has been to extremely powerful synthetics and
    concentrated natural THC products with severe outcomes
    including death.

    [Although cannabis of my youth was absolutely impossible to
    smoke to a medically serious level, hybridization,
    concentration in products and synthetics have crossed that
    line.]

    Those are some of my thoughts on why both bans and
    abdication are imperfect policy.



    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From Catrike Ryder@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Sat May 24 10:48:05 2025
    On Sat, 24 May 2025 07:47:51 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 5/23/2025 9:48 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 5/23/2025 7:45 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 5/23/2025 2:26 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Wed May 21 16:23:16 2025 Catrike Ryder  wrote:
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 17:10:30 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 21 May 2025 10:18:50 -0500, AMuzi
    <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    Too bad the pervert lived.

    https://nypost.com/2025/05/20/us-news/hero-dad-
    rescues-11-year-old- daughter-from-perv-who-dragged-
    her-into-a-remote-area-of-nyc-park- cops/

    //
    A local parent said he?s wary of the more remote areas
    in the park,
    and that he?s often encountered "crazy people" lurking
    there.
    //

        Id say.
    //
    (He) snatched her and tried to sexually assault her
    while the pair
    were riding their bikes
    //

        Almost impossible. Only a crazy person would do
    that. Can you
    imagine how complicated it must be to rape someone
    while riding a
    bicycle?

        Weird. Doesn't Trump's "biggest and bestist
    heathcare EVER"
    cover mental diseases?
        Next MAGA-hats will be defending the "crazy
    people's" right to
    buy guns. LOL.

        PS Aproximately 1-1.5% of any population is
    psychotic(usually
    schizophrenic). They have NO IDEA they're crazy. Only
    an efficient
    public health system can identify and ensure they get
    adequate free
    treatment. And of course, keep them away from guns.
        []'s


    It used to be that people like that got put away in
    facilities. Then,
    in 1963, the jackasses in the government decided that
    was wrong, and
    turned them all loose. Like you say, many emotionally
    disturbed people
    have no idea they are emotionally disturbed and are not
    going to
    voluntarily submit to treatment.




    Those facilities were NEVER properly funded and became
    nothing more than poorly managed prisons.Most of the
    lunatics on the streets now are severely addicted people
    that cannot and woulod not be cured of their addiction.
    Fentanyl will kill them and therw's no way to stop it.

    In theory.
    But the numbers are not decreasing by themselves:

    https://ktla.com/news/california/a-southern-california-
    mayor-says-he- wants-to-give-homeless-people-all-the-
    fentanyl-they-want/

    Andrew, I remember you arguing in favor of legalizing drugs.
    Am I mistaken?


    I'm agnostic, and there are serious concerns on every side
    of that argument.

    I believe I wrote merely that 100 years of worldwide Heroin
    ban has cost huge amounts of money, attention, all sorts of
    resources (human labor not otherwise productive) and ruined
    lives and yet it's cheaper and more pure than ever and in
    most neighborhoods can be delivered faster than a pizza.

    This is not a successful policy.

    Banning a substance often creates a black market for it and black
    market goods often might be very dangerous.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From John B.@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Sat May 24 16:41:35 2025
    On Sat, 24 May 2025 07:47:51 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 5/23/2025 9:48 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 5/23/2025 7:45 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 5/23/2025 2:26 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Wed May 21 16:23:16 2025 Catrike Ryder  wrote:
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 17:10:30 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 21 May 2025 10:18:50 -0500, AMuzi
    <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    Too bad the pervert lived.

    https://nypost.com/2025/05/20/us-news/hero-dad-
    rescues-11-year-old- daughter-from-perv-who-dragged-
    her-into-a-remote-area-of-nyc-park- cops/

    //
    A local parent said he?s wary of the more remote areas
    in the park,
    and that he?s often encountered "crazy people" lurking
    there.
    //

        Id say.
    //
    (He) snatched her and tried to sexually assault her
    while the pair
    were riding their bikes
    //

        Almost impossible. Only a crazy person would do
    that. Can you
    imagine how complicated it must be to rape someone
    while riding a
    bicycle?

        Weird. Doesn't Trump's "biggest and bestist
    heathcare EVER"
    cover mental diseases?
        Next MAGA-hats will be defending the "crazy
    people's" right to
    buy guns. LOL.

        PS Aproximately 1-1.5% of any population is
    psychotic(usually
    schizophrenic). They have NO IDEA they're crazy. Only
    an efficient
    public health system can identify and ensure they get
    adequate free
    treatment. And of course, keep them away from guns.
        []'s


    It used to be that people like that got put away in
    facilities. Then,
    in 1963, the jackasses in the government decided that
    was wrong, and
    turned them all loose. Like you say, many emotionally
    disturbed people
    have no idea they are emotionally disturbed and are not
    going to
    voluntarily submit to treatment.




    Those facilities were NEVER properly funded and became
    nothing more than poorly managed prisons.Most of the
    lunatics on the streets now are severely addicted people
    that cannot and woulod not be cured of their addiction.
    Fentanyl will kill them and therw's no way to stop it.

    In theory.
    But the numbers are not decreasing by themselves:

    https://ktla.com/news/california/a-southern-california-
    mayor-says-he- wants-to-give-homeless-people-all-the-
    fentanyl-they-want/

    Andrew, I remember you arguing in favor of legalizing drugs.
    Am I mistaken?


    I'm agnostic, and there are serious concerns on every side
    of that argument.

    I believe I wrote merely that 100 years of worldwide Heroin
    ban has cost huge amounts of money, attention, all sorts of
    resources (human labor not otherwise productive) and ruined
    lives and yet it's cheaper and more pure than ever and in
    most neighborhoods can be delivered faster than a pizza.

    This is not a successful policy.

    For all the recent talk about thinking and logic the
    18th and 21st amendment creates and solves the same problem :-)

    --
    cheers,

    John B.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to John B. on Sun May 25 08:46:23 2025
    On 5/24/2025 6:41 PM, John B. wrote:
    On Sat, 24 May 2025 07:47:51 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 5/23/2025 9:48 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 5/23/2025 7:45 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 5/23/2025 2:26 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Wed May 21 16:23:16 2025 Catrike Ryder  wrote:
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 17:10:30 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 21 May 2025 10:18:50 -0500, AMuzi
    <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    Too bad the pervert lived.

    https://nypost.com/2025/05/20/us-news/hero-dad-
    rescues-11-year-old- daughter-from-perv-who-dragged-
    her-into-a-remote-area-of-nyc-park- cops/

    //
    A local parent said he?s wary of the more remote areas
    in the park,
    and that he?s often encountered "crazy people" lurking
    there.
    //

        Id say.
    //
    (He) snatched her and tried to sexually assault her
    while the pair
    were riding their bikes
    //

        Almost impossible. Only a crazy person would do
    that. Can you
    imagine how complicated it must be to rape someone
    while riding a
    bicycle?

        Weird. Doesn't Trump's "biggest and bestist
    heathcare EVER"
    cover mental diseases?
        Next MAGA-hats will be defending the "crazy
    people's" right to
    buy guns. LOL.

        PS Aproximately 1-1.5% of any population is
    psychotic(usually
    schizophrenic). They have NO IDEA they're crazy. Only
    an efficient
    public health system can identify and ensure they get
    adequate free
    treatment. And of course, keep them away from guns.
        []'s


    It used to be that people like that got put away in
    facilities. Then,
    in 1963, the jackasses in the government decided that
    was wrong, and
    turned them all loose. Like you say, many emotionally
    disturbed people
    have no idea they are emotionally disturbed and are not
    going to
    voluntarily submit to treatment.




    Those facilities were NEVER properly funded and became
    nothing more than poorly managed prisons.Most of the
    lunatics on the streets now are severely addicted people
    that cannot and woulod not be cured of their addiction.
    Fentanyl will kill them and therw's no way to stop it.

    In theory.
    But the numbers are not decreasing by themselves:

    https://ktla.com/news/california/a-southern-california-
    mayor-says-he- wants-to-give-homeless-people-all-the-
    fentanyl-they-want/

    Andrew, I remember you arguing in favor of legalizing drugs.
    Am I mistaken?


    I'm agnostic, and there are serious concerns on every side
    of that argument.

    I believe I wrote merely that 100 years of worldwide Heroin
    ban has cost huge amounts of money, attention, all sorts of
    resources (human labor not otherwise productive) and ruined
    lives and yet it's cheaper and more pure than ever and in
    most neighborhoods can be delivered faster than a pizza.

    This is not a successful policy.

    For all the recent talk about thinking and logic the
    18th and 21st amendment creates and solves the same problem :-)

    --
    cheers,

    John B.


    Yes, that's a lesson not well remembered.

    The meddling do-gooders of WCTU and their ilk ramped up
    their opposition to Demon Rum all through the late 1800s.
    Not being stupid, they realized that removing the whiskey
    tax would collapse the Federal government, and so their
    long range plans included the equally horrible 16th
    Amendment as a precursor to the 17th. Sadly, that yet stands.

    Still and all, the many and various issues are complex. For
    example, the dramatic relaxation of cannabis regulation and
    enforcement has not served children well. I do not have a
    simple snappy solution to any of it.

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to John B. on Sun May 25 09:54:24 2025
    On 5/24/2025 6:41 PM, John B. wrote:
    On Sat, 24 May 2025 07:47:51 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 5/23/2025 9:48 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 5/23/2025 7:45 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 5/23/2025 2:26 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Wed May 21 16:23:16 2025 Catrike Ryder  wrote:
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 17:10:30 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 21 May 2025 10:18:50 -0500, AMuzi
    <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    Too bad the pervert lived.

    https://nypost.com/2025/05/20/us-news/hero-dad-
    rescues-11-year-old- daughter-from-perv-who-dragged-
    her-into-a-remote-area-of-nyc-park- cops/

    //
    A local parent said he?s wary of the more remote areas
    in the park,
    and that he?s often encountered "crazy people" lurking
    there.
    //

        Id say.
    //
    (He) snatched her and tried to sexually assault her
    while the pair
    were riding their bikes
    //

        Almost impossible. Only a crazy person would do
    that. Can you
    imagine how complicated it must be to rape someone
    while riding a
    bicycle?

        Weird. Doesn't Trump's "biggest and bestist
    heathcare EVER"
    cover mental diseases?
        Next MAGA-hats will be defending the "crazy
    people's" right to
    buy guns. LOL.

        PS Aproximately 1-1.5% of any population is
    psychotic(usually
    schizophrenic). They have NO IDEA they're crazy. Only
    an efficient
    public health system can identify and ensure they get
    adequate free
    treatment. And of course, keep them away from guns.
        []'s


    It used to be that people like that got put away in
    facilities. Then,
    in 1963, the jackasses in the government decided that
    was wrong, and
    turned them all loose. Like you say, many emotionally
    disturbed people
    have no idea they are emotionally disturbed and are not
    going to
    voluntarily submit to treatment.




    Those facilities were NEVER properly funded and became
    nothing more than poorly managed prisons.Most of the
    lunatics on the streets now are severely addicted people
    that cannot and woulod not be cured of their addiction.
    Fentanyl will kill them and therw's no way to stop it.

    In theory.
    But the numbers are not decreasing by themselves:

    https://ktla.com/news/california/a-southern-california-
    mayor-says-he- wants-to-give-homeless-people-all-the-
    fentanyl-they-want/

    Andrew, I remember you arguing in favor of legalizing drugs.
    Am I mistaken?


    I'm agnostic, and there are serious concerns on every side
    of that argument.

    I believe I wrote merely that 100 years of worldwide Heroin
    ban has cost huge amounts of money, attention, all sorts of
    resources (human labor not otherwise productive) and ruined
    lives and yet it's cheaper and more pure than ever and in
    most neighborhoods can be delivered faster than a pizza.

    This is not a successful policy.

    For all the recent talk about thinking and logic the
    18th and 21st amendment creates and solves the same problem :-)

    --
    cheers,

    John B.


    An opinion piece today:

    https://nypost.com/2025/05/24/opinion/casinos-marijuana-why-ny-should-stop-trying-to-legalize-vices/

    Note reader comments diametrically opposite the writer.

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From Shadow@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Sun May 25 15:11:29 2025
    On Sun, 25 May 2025 09:54:24 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:


    An opinion piece today:

    https://nypost.com/2025/05/24/opinion/casinos-marijuana-why-ny-should-stop-trying-to-legalize-vices/

    Note reader comments diametrically opposite the writer.

    //
    The risks of unchecked consumption are no secret, including the weed’s addictive properties that can lead to mental illness and
    //

    Cannabis is practically non- addictive (less so than tea or coffee)
    and NEVER leads to mental illness.

    //
    to abuse of stronger drugs, legal and illegal
    //

    Like alcohol ? I fully agree.

    //
    There are now rumblings that New York may consider decriminalizing prostitution. //

    It was decriminalized in Brazil a decade ago. And the number
    of prostitutes did not increase. The number actually DECREASED.

    Who's this guy lobbying for, the Mafia? They are the only ones
    that gain by prohibition...
    []'s

    I can't see any reader comments. Probably just social-media
    mining. I block that.
    --
    Don't be evil - Google 2004
    We have a new policy - Google 2012
    Google Fuchsia - 2021

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Shadow on Sun May 25 14:48:10 2025
    On 5/25/2025 1:11 PM, Shadow wrote:
    On Sun, 25 May 2025 09:54:24 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:


    An opinion piece today:

    https://nypost.com/2025/05/24/opinion/casinos-marijuana-why-ny-should-stop-trying-to-legalize-vices/

    Note reader comments diametrically opposite the writer.

    //
    The risks of unchecked consumption are no secret, including the weed’s addictive properties that can lead to mental illness and
    //

    Cannabis is practically non- addictive (less so than tea or coffee)
    and NEVER leads to mental illness.

    //
    to abuse of stronger drugs, legal and illegal
    //

    Like alcohol ? I fully agree.

    //
    There are now rumblings that New York may consider decriminalizing prostitution. //

    It was decriminalized in Brazil a decade ago. And the number
    of prostitutes did not increase. The number actually DECREASED.

    Who's this guy lobbying for, the Mafia? They are the only ones
    that gain by prohibition...
    []'s

    I can't see any reader comments. Probably just social-media
    mining. I block that.

    Reader comments (largely along our own views) are below the
    first block of ads, low on the page.

    As I noted yesterday, I take no position. I'm conflicted on
    this; extreme policies of many sorts ave failed. For example
    the Fiume debacle after The Great War, which descended into
    utter dissolution (morphine, cocaine and prostitution ) in
    short order.

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From Shadow@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Sun May 25 18:36:45 2025
    On Sun, 25 May 2025 14:48:10 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 5/25/2025 1:11 PM, Shadow wrote:
    On Sun, 25 May 2025 09:54:24 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:


    An opinion piece today:

    https://nypost.com/2025/05/24/opinion/casinos-marijuana-why-ny-should-stop-trying-to-legalize-vices/

    Note reader comments diametrically opposite the writer.

    //
    The risks of unchecked consumption are no secret, including the weed’s
    addictive properties that can lead to mental illness and
    //

    Cannabis is practically non- addictive (less so than tea or coffee)
    and NEVER leads to mental illness.

    //
    to abuse of stronger drugs, legal and illegal
    //

    Like alcohol ? I fully agree.

    //
    There are now rumblings that New York may consider decriminalizing
    prostitution. //

    It was decriminalized in Brazil a decade ago. And the number
    of prostitutes did not increase. The number actually DECREASED.

    Who's this guy lobbying for, the Mafia? They are the only ones
    that gain by prohibition...
    []'s

    I can't see any reader comments. Probably just social-media
    mining. I block that.

    Reader comments (largely along our own views) are below the
    first block of ads, low on the page.

    Lucky me. I don't see any ads, or user comments.

    As I noted yesterday, I take no position. I'm conflicted on
    this; extreme policies of many sorts ave failed. For example
    the Fiume debacle after The Great War, which descended into
    utter dissolution (morphine, cocaine and prostitution ) in
    short order.

    Duh, couldn't find anything on that(other than a snippet about
    the takeover of a piece of Croatia by the right wing Italians, which
    apparently was the source of fascism in Italy). There's a book too.
    LOL. Not buying it.
    []'s
    --
    Don't be evil - Google 2004
    We have a new policy - Google 2012
    Google Fuchsia - 2021

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Shadow on Sun May 25 17:05:39 2025
    On 5/25/2025 4:36 PM, Shadow wrote:
    On Sun, 25 May 2025 14:48:10 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 5/25/2025 1:11 PM, Shadow wrote:
    On Sun, 25 May 2025 09:54:24 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:


    An opinion piece today:

    https://nypost.com/2025/05/24/opinion/casinos-marijuana-why-ny-should-stop-trying-to-legalize-vices/

    Note reader comments diametrically opposite the writer.

    //
    The risks of unchecked consumption are no secret, including the weed’s >>> addictive properties that can lead to mental illness and
    //

    Cannabis is practically non- addictive (less so than tea or coffee)
    and NEVER leads to mental illness.

    //
    to abuse of stronger drugs, legal and illegal
    //

    Like alcohol ? I fully agree.

    //
    There are now rumblings that New York may consider decriminalizing
    prostitution. //

    It was decriminalized in Brazil a decade ago. And the number
    of prostitutes did not increase. The number actually DECREASED.

    Who's this guy lobbying for, the Mafia? They are the only ones
    that gain by prohibition...
    []'s

    I can't see any reader comments. Probably just social-media
    mining. I block that.

    Reader comments (largely along our own views) are below the
    first block of ads, low on the page.

    Lucky me. I don't see any ads, or user comments.

    As I noted yesterday, I take no position. I'm conflicted on
    this; extreme policies of many sorts ave failed. For example
    the Fiume debacle after The Great War, which descended into
    utter dissolution (morphine, cocaine and prostitution ) in
    short order.

    Duh, couldn't find anything on that(other than a snippet about
    the takeover of a piece of Croatia by the right wing Italians, which apparently was the source of fascism in Italy). There's a book too.
    LOL. Not buying it.
    []'s

    It was more or less informally occupied by Arditi and
    Bersaglieri after Austro Hungary's defeat and amidst the
    general post war general confusion for something like a year
    and a half.

    'Liberation' quickly turned to debauchery and dissolution
    for these formerly disciplined special forces. No rules
    whatsoever? Theory aside, the actual examples like Fiume are
    not so wonderful. Which doesn't mean something else sorta
    Libertarian-ish but less anarchic or feral couldn't work.
    Examples in the real world are yet lacking.

    Oh, and those were Futurists at that time. (The term Fascist
    starts later, around 1922).

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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  • From John B.@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Sun May 25 17:56:44 2025
    On Sun, 25 May 2025 08:46:23 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 5/24/2025 6:41 PM, John B. wrote:
    On Sat, 24 May 2025 07:47:51 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 5/23/2025 9:48 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 5/23/2025 7:45 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 5/23/2025 2:26 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Wed May 21 16:23:16 2025 Catrike Ryder  wrote:
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 17:10:30 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 21 May 2025 10:18:50 -0500, AMuzi
    <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    Too bad the pervert lived.

    https://nypost.com/2025/05/20/us-news/hero-dad-
    rescues-11-year-old- daughter-from-perv-who-dragged-
    her-into-a-remote-area-of-nyc-park- cops/

    //
    A local parent said he?s wary of the more remote areas
    in the park,
    and that he?s often encountered "crazy people" lurking
    there.
    //

        Id say.
    //
    (He) snatched her and tried to sexually assault her
    while the pair
    were riding their bikes
    //

        Almost impossible. Only a crazy person would do
    that. Can you
    imagine how complicated it must be to rape someone
    while riding a
    bicycle?

        Weird. Doesn't Trump's "biggest and bestist
    heathcare EVER"
    cover mental diseases?
        Next MAGA-hats will be defending the "crazy
    people's" right to
    buy guns. LOL.

        PS Aproximately 1-1.5% of any population is
    psychotic(usually
    schizophrenic). They have NO IDEA they're crazy. Only
    an efficient
    public health system can identify and ensure they get
    adequate free
    treatment. And of course, keep them away from guns.
        []'s


    It used to be that people like that got put away in
    facilities. Then,
    in 1963, the jackasses in the government decided that
    was wrong, and
    turned them all loose. Like you say, many emotionally
    disturbed people
    have no idea they are emotionally disturbed and are not
    going to
    voluntarily submit to treatment.




    Those facilities were NEVER properly funded and became
    nothing more than poorly managed prisons.Most of the
    lunatics on the streets now are severely addicted people
    that cannot and woulod not be cured of their addiction.
    Fentanyl will kill them and therw's no way to stop it.

    In theory.
    But the numbers are not decreasing by themselves:

    https://ktla.com/news/california/a-southern-california-
    mayor-says-he- wants-to-give-homeless-people-all-the-
    fentanyl-they-want/

    Andrew, I remember you arguing in favor of legalizing drugs.
    Am I mistaken?


    I'm agnostic, and there are serious concerns on every side
    of that argument.

    I believe I wrote merely that 100 years of worldwide Heroin
    ban has cost huge amounts of money, attention, all sorts of
    resources (human labor not otherwise productive) and ruined
    lives and yet it's cheaper and more pure than ever and in
    most neighborhoods can be delivered faster than a pizza.

    This is not a successful policy.

    For all the recent talk about thinking and logic the
    18th and 21st amendment creates and solves the same problem :-)

    --
    cheers,

    John B.


    Yes, that's a lesson not well remembered.

    The meddling do-gooders of WCTU and their ilk ramped up
    their opposition to Demon Rum all through the late 1800s.
    Not being stupid, they realized that removing the whiskey
    tax would collapse the Federal government, and so their
    long range plans included the equally horrible 16th
    Amendment as a precursor to the 17th. Sadly, that yet stands.

    Still and all, the many and various issues are complex. For
    example, the dramatic relaxation of cannabis regulation and
    enforcement has not served children well. I do not have a
    simple snappy solution to any of it.


    Perhaps cigarette smoking? I remember when nearly all men smoked and
    today?
    Are narcotics dangerous?
    --
    cheers,

    John B.

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  • From John B.@21:1/5 to Shadow on Sun May 25 18:31:14 2025
    On Sun, 25 May 2025 15:11:29 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:

    On Sun, 25 May 2025 09:54:24 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:


    An opinion piece today:
    https://nypost.com/2025/05/24/opinion/casinos-marijuana-why-ny-should-stop-trying-to-legalize-vices/

    Note reader comments diametrically opposite the writer.

    //
    The risks of unchecked consumption are no secret, including the weed’s >addictive properties that can lead to mental illness and
    //

    Cannabis is practically non- addictive (less so than tea or coffee)
    and NEVER leads to mental illness.

    //
    to abuse of stronger drugs, legal and illegal
    //

    Like alcohol ? I fully agree.

    //
    There are now rumblings that New York may consider decriminalizing >prostitution. //

    It was decriminalized in Brazil a decade ago. And the number
    of prostitutes did not increase. The number actually DECREASED.

    Who's this guy lobbying for, the Mafia? They are the only ones
    that gain by prohibition...
    []'s

    I can't see any reader comments. Probably just social-media
    mining. I block that.

    One of the Freakonomics books had a study of prostitution economics
    where it was noted that the business was producing much lower
    returns... due to amateurs "stealing" customers.
    --
    cheers,

    John B.

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  • From Shadow@21:1/5 to jbslocomb@fictitious.site on Mon May 26 19:55:15 2025
    On Sun, 25 May 2025 17:56:44 -0700, John B.
    <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:

    Are narcotics dangerous?

    Narcotics are opioids. The user develops an increasing
    tolerance to the drug, needs larger and larger doses to get the same
    effect.
    But all narcotics are respiratory inhibitors. One day the dose
    will be enough to cause respiratory arrest.
    When people die of an opioid overdose it is usually not
    deliberate.
    I'd say narcotics are very dangerous, unless you WANT to die.
    []'s

    PS Cannabis has the opposite effect in most people. Lower and lower
    doses are necessary to achieve the same effect.
    --
    Don't be evil - Google 2004
    We have a new policy - Google 2012
    Google Fuchsia - 2021

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Shadow on Mon May 26 18:26:21 2025
    On 5/26/2025 5:55 PM, Shadow wrote:
    On Sun, 25 May 2025 17:56:44 -0700, John B.
    <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:

    Are narcotics dangerous?

    Narcotics are opioids. The user develops an increasing
    tolerance to the drug, needs larger and larger doses to get the same
    effect.
    But all narcotics are respiratory inhibitors. One day the dose
    will be enough to cause respiratory arrest.
    When people die of an opioid overdose it is usually not
    deliberate.
    I'd say narcotics are very dangerous, unless you WANT to die.
    []'s

    PS Cannabis has the opposite effect in most people. Lower and lower
    doses are necessary to achieve the same effect.

    Yes, respiration levels below survival rate is the usual OD
    mechanism.

    OTOH I know regular users who have no medical issues after a
    lifetime of Heroin.

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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