At the local supermarket, food prices have been dropping like rocks. Take for instance, wine, Apothic red mixes just scant weeks ago were showing $16.99 reduced to $10.99. Now, the same thing is $10.99 reduced to $6.99. Bread is almost back to pre-Biden.I'm telling you, those tariffs are really killing us. Certainly not everything has gone down but I'm assuming that they soon will.
At the local supermarket, food prices have been dropping like rocks. Take for instance, wine, Apothic red mixes just scant weeks ago were showing $16.99 reduced to $10.99. Now, the same thing is $10.99 reduced to $6.99. Bread is almost back to pre-Biden. I'm telling you, those tariffs are really killing us. Certainly not everything has gone down but I'm assuming that they soon will.
On Sun, 25 May 2025 20:07:33 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>Biden. I'm telling you, those tariffs are really killing us. Certainly not everything has gone down but I'm assuming that they soon will.
wrote:
At the local supermarket, food prices have been dropping like rocks. Take for instance, wine, Apothic red mixes just scant weeks ago were showing $16.99 reduced to $10.99. Now, the same thing is $10.99 reduced to $6.99. Bread is almost back to pre-
So an increase in taxes lowered prices?
Sounds like raising taxes is a good idea, then, and everything
I learned about economy was wrong.
[]'s
PS Maybe not for you. You can't drink alcohol. Read the
absolute contraindications of your meds.
On Sun May 25 18:28:31 2025 Shadow wrote:Biden. I'm telling you, those tariffs are really killing us. Certainly not everything has gone down but I'm assuming that they soon will.
On Sun, 25 May 2025 20:07:33 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
At the local supermarket, food prices have been dropping like rocks. Take for instance, wine, Apothic red mixes just scant weeks ago were showing $16.99 reduced to $10.99. Now, the same thing is $10.99 reduced to $6.99. Bread is almost back to pre-
So an increase in taxes lowered prices?
Sounds like raising taxes is a good idea, then, and everything
I learned about economy was wrong.
[]'s
PS Maybe not for you. You can't drink alcohol. Read the
absolute contraindications of your meds.
Where were taxes raised?
At the local supermarket, food prices have been dropping like rocks. Take for instance, wine, Apothic red mixes just scant weeks ago were showing $16.99 reduced to $10.99. Now, the same thing is $10.99 reduced to $6.99. Bread is almost back to pre-Biden.I'm telling you, those tariffs are really killing us. Certainly not everything has gone down but I'm assuming that they soon will.
On Mon, 26 May 2025 17:24:06 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>Biden. I'm telling you, those tariffs are really killing us. Certainly not everything has gone down but I'm assuming that they soon will.
wrote:
On Sun May 25 18:28:31 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 25 May 2025 20:07:33 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
At the local supermarket, food prices have been dropping like rocks. Take for instance, wine, Apothic red mixes just scant weeks ago were showing $16.99 reduced to $10.99. Now, the same thing is $10.99 reduced to $6.99. Bread is almost back to pre-
So an increase in taxes lowered prices?
Sounds like raising taxes is a good idea, then, and everything
I learned about economy was wrong.
[]'s
PS Maybe not for you. You can't drink alcohol. Read the
absolute contraindications of your meds.
Where were taxes raised?
A tariff is a tax on imported goods. The importer pays the tax, which
is then passed on to distributors, dealers, and eventually individual
buyers.
On 5/26/2025 12:34 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:Biden. I'm telling you, those tariffs are really killing us. Certainly not everything has gone down but I'm assuming that they soon will.
On Mon, 26 May 2025 17:24:06 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun May 25 18:28:31 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 25 May 2025 20:07:33 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
At the local supermarket, food prices have been dropping like rocks. Take for instance, wine, Apothic red mixes just scant weeks ago were showing $16.99 reduced to $10.99. Now, the same thing is $10.99 reduced to $6.99. Bread is almost back to pre-
So an increase in taxes lowered prices?
Sounds like raising taxes is a good idea, then, and everything
I learned about economy was wrong.
[]'s
PS Maybe not for you. You can't drink alcohol. Read the
absolute contraindications of your meds.
Where were taxes raised?
A tariff is a tax on imported goods. The importer pays the tax, which
is then passed on to distributors, dealers, and eventually individual
buyers.
Mr Kunich's chosen plonk (Apothic) is domestic.
On Mon, 26 May 2025 13:18:49 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:Biden. I'm telling you, those tariffs are really killing us. Certainly not everything has gone down but I'm assuming that they soon will.
On 5/26/2025 12:34 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 26 May 2025 17:24:06 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun May 25 18:28:31 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 25 May 2025 20:07:33 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
At the local supermarket, food prices have been dropping like rocks. Take for instance, wine, Apothic red mixes just scant weeks ago were showing $16.99 reduced to $10.99. Now, the same thing is $10.99 reduced to $6.99. Bread is almost back to pre-
So an increase in taxes lowered prices?
Sounds like raising taxes is a good idea, then, and everything
I learned about economy was wrong.
[]'s
PS Maybe not for you. You can't drink alcohol. Read the
absolute contraindications of your meds.
Where were taxes raised?
A tariff is a tax on imported goods. The importer pays the tax, which
is then passed on to distributors, dealers, and eventually individual
buyers.
Mr Kunich's chosen plonk (Apothic) is domestic.
Thanks. The importer or distributor probably does not pass on their increased tariff costs by individual items. The distributor probably
also sells foreign wines that are subject to tariff taxation. My
guess(tm) is that the distributor will pass on a single uniform
percentage price increase across their entire wine inventory because
it's easier to administer. If we see the price of domestic wines
increase along with imported wines, that's a likely cause.
On 5/26/2025 1:39 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:pre-Biden. I'm telling you, those tariffs are really killing us. Certainly not everything has gone down but I'm assuming that they soon will.
On Mon, 26 May 2025 13:18:49 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/26/2025 12:34 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 26 May 2025 17:24:06 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun May 25 18:28:31 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 25 May 2025 20:07:33 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
At the local supermarket, food prices have been dropping like rocks. Take for instance, wine, Apothic red mixes just scant weeks ago were showing $16.99 reduced to $10.99. Now, the same thing is $10.99 reduced to $6.99. Bread is almost back to
So an increase in taxes lowered prices?
Sounds like raising taxes is a good idea, then, and everything
I learned about economy was wrong.
[]'s
PS Maybe not for you. You can't drink alcohol. Read the
absolute contraindications of your meds.
Where were taxes raised?
A tariff is a tax on imported goods. The importer pays the tax, which >>>> is then passed on to distributors, dealers, and eventually individual
buyers.
Mr Kunich's chosen plonk (Apothic) is domestic.
Thanks. The importer or distributor probably does not pass on their
increased tariff costs by individual items. The distributor probably
also sells foreign wines that are subject to tariff taxation. My
guess(tm) is that the distributor will pass on a single uniform
percentage price increase across their entire wine inventory because
it's easier to administer. If we see the price of domestic wines
increase along with imported wines, that's a likely cause.
Yes to all that, which again references the difference
between the general inflation rate and specific items, which
naturally and always fluctuate both by product and also
locally. It could well be that not one single individual
item in the entire nation increased by exactly the current
general inflation rate (officially 0.2% in April, but more
likely with a long string of numbers to the right of that 2):
https://www.bls.gov/cpi/
On Mon, 26 May 2025 13:54:56 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:pre-Biden. I'm telling you, those tariffs are really killing us. Certainly not everything has gone down but I'm assuming that they soon will.
On 5/26/2025 1:39 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 26 May 2025 13:18:49 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/26/2025 12:34 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 26 May 2025 17:24:06 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun May 25 18:28:31 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 25 May 2025 20:07:33 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
At the local supermarket, food prices have been dropping like rocks. Take for instance, wine, Apothic red mixes just scant weeks ago were showing $16.99 reduced to $10.99. Now, the same thing is $10.99 reduced to $6.99. Bread is almost back to
So an increase in taxes lowered prices?
Sounds like raising taxes is a good idea, then, and everything >>>>>>> I learned about economy was wrong.
[]'s
PS Maybe not for you. You can't drink alcohol. Read the
absolute contraindications of your meds.
Where were taxes raised?
A tariff is a tax on imported goods. The importer pays the tax, which >>>>> is then passed on to distributors, dealers, and eventually individual >>>>> buyers.
Mr Kunich's chosen plonk (Apothic) is domestic.
Thanks. The importer or distributor probably does not pass on their
increased tariff costs by individual items. The distributor probably
also sells foreign wines that are subject to tariff taxation. My
guess(tm) is that the distributor will pass on a single uniform
percentage price increase across their entire wine inventory because
it's easier to administer. If we see the price of domestic wines
increase along with imported wines, that's a likely cause.
Yes to all that, which again references the difference
between the general inflation rate and specific items, which
naturally and always fluctuate both by product and also
locally. It could well be that not one single individual
item in the entire nation increased by exactly the current
general inflation rate (officially 0.2% in April, but more
likely with a long string of numbers to the right of that 2):
https://www.bls.gov/cpi/
Please be careful when you specify a general inflation rate. There
are many ways to specify the CPI. See the column on the right:
"United States Inflation Rate" <https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/inflation-cpi>
2025 CPI in "points" <https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/consumer-price-index-cpi> 1982-1984 = 100 points.
If we're only discussing the price of wine, the CPI can't be used
because the calculations and forecasts do NOT include alcohol
beverages. Here's the current Food CPI forecast spreadsheet: <https://ers.usda.gov/sites/default/files/_laserfiche/DataFiles/50673/CPIForecast.xlsx?v=75961>
which shows the current predicted 2025 CPI at:
Low Mid Upper
1.6% 2.9% 4.1%
with range of 3:1, the official 2.1% is at best an informed guess.
Trying to use the CPI to predict short term (i.e. monthly) price
changes is at best a crap shoot. <https://ers.usda.gov/sites/default/files/_laserfiche/DataFiles/50673/CPIHistoricalForecast.xlsx?v=41106>
These numbers are not the actual historical CPI numbers, but rather
the estimated CPI. Again, note the large range of numbers. For extra entertainment, follow the price of eggs over the last few years. Eggs
in May 2025 was forecast at:
Low Mid Upper
22.6% 39.2% 59.9%
Heard anyone in the media complain about 39.2% inflation for eggs?
On Sun May 25 18:28:31 2025 Shadow wrote:Biden. I'm telling you, those tariffs are really killing us. Certainly not everything has gone down but I'm assuming that they soon will.
On Sun, 25 May 2025 20:07:33 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
At the local supermarket, food prices have been dropping like rocks. Take for instance, wine, Apothic red mixes just scant weeks ago were showing $16.99 reduced to $10.99. Now, the same thing is $10.99 reduced to $6.99. Bread is almost back to pre-
So an increase in taxes lowered prices?
Sounds like raising taxes is a good idea, then, and everything
I learned about economy was wrong.
[]'s
PS Maybe not for you. You can't drink alcohol. Read the
absolute contraindications of your meds.
Where were taxes raised?
On 5/26/2025 12:34 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:Biden. I'm telling you, those tariffs are really killing us. Certainly not everything has gone down but I'm assuming that they soon will.
On Mon, 26 May 2025 17:24:06 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun May 25 18:28:31 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 25 May 2025 20:07:33 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
At the local supermarket, food prices have been dropping like rocks. Take for instance, wine, Apothic red mixes just scant weeks ago were showing $16.99 reduced to $10.99. Now, the same thing is $10.99 reduced to $6.99. Bread is almost back to pre-
So an increase in taxes lowered prices?
Sounds like raising taxes is a good idea, then, and everything
I learned about economy was wrong.
[]'s
PS Maybe not for you. You can't drink alcohol. Read the
absolute contraindications of your meds.
Where were taxes raised?
A tariff is a tax on imported goods. The importer pays the tax, which
is then passed on to distributors, dealers, and eventually individual
buyers.
Mr Kunich's chosen plonk (Apothic) is domestic.
On Mon, 26 May 2025 17:24:06 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>Biden. I'm telling you, those tariffs are really killing us. Certainly not everything has gone down but I'm assuming that they soon will.
wrote:
On Sun May 25 18:28:31 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 25 May 2025 20:07:33 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
At the local supermarket, food prices have been dropping like rocks. Take for instance, wine, Apothic red mixes just scant weeks ago were showing $16.99 reduced to $10.99. Now, the same thing is $10.99 reduced to $6.99. Bread is almost back to pre-
So an increase in taxes lowered prices?
Sounds like raising taxes is a good idea, then, and everything
I learned about economy was wrong.
[]'s
PS Maybe not for you. You can't drink alcohol. Read the
absolute contraindications of your meds.
Where were taxes raised?
A tariff is a tax on imported goods. The importer pays the tax, which
is then passed on to distributors, dealers, and eventually individual
buyers.
On Mon, 26 May 2025 13:54:56 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:pre-Biden. I'm telling you, those tariffs are really killing us. Certainly not everything has gone down but I'm assuming that they soon will.
On 5/26/2025 1:39 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 26 May 2025 13:18:49 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/26/2025 12:34 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 26 May 2025 17:24:06 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun May 25 18:28:31 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 25 May 2025 20:07:33 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> >>>>>> wrote:
At the local supermarket, food prices have been dropping like rocks. Take for instance, wine, Apothic red mixes just scant weeks ago were showing $16.99 reduced to $10.99. Now, the same thing is $10.99 reduced to $6.99. Bread is almost back to
So an increase in taxes lowered prices?
Sounds like raising taxes is a good idea, then, and everything >>>>>> I learned about economy was wrong.
[]'s
PS Maybe not for you. You can't drink alcohol. Read the
absolute contraindications of your meds.
Where were taxes raised?
A tariff is a tax on imported goods. The importer pays the tax, which >>>> is then passed on to distributors, dealers, and eventually individual >>>> buyers.
Mr Kunich's chosen plonk (Apothic) is domestic.
Thanks. The importer or distributor probably does not pass on their
increased tariff costs by individual items. The distributor probably
also sells foreign wines that are subject to tariff taxation. My
guess(tm) is that the distributor will pass on a single uniform
percentage price increase across their entire wine inventory because
it's easier to administer. If we see the price of domestic wines
increase along with imported wines, that's a likely cause.
Yes to all that, which again references the difference
between the general inflation rate and specific items, which
naturally and always fluctuate both by product and also
locally. It could well be that not one single individual
item in the entire nation increased by exactly the current
general inflation rate (officially 0.2% in April, but more
likely with a long string of numbers to the right of that 2):
https://www.bls.gov/cpi/
Please be careful when you specify a general inflation rate. There
are many ways to specify the CPI. See the column on the right:
"United States Inflation Rate" <https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/inflation-cpi>
2025 CPI in "points" <https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/consumer-price-index-cpi> 1982-1984 = 100 points.
If we're only discussing the price of wine, the CPI can't be used
because the calculations and forecasts do NOT include alcohol
beverages. Here's the current Food CPI forecast spreadsheet: <https://ers.usda.gov/sites/default/files/_laserfiche/DataFiles/50673/CPIForecast.xlsx?v=75961>
which shows the current predicted 2025 CPI at:
Low Mid Upper
1.6% 2.9% 4.1%
with range of 3:1, the official 2.1% is at best an informed guess.
Trying to use the CPI to predict short term (i.e. monthly) price
changes is at best a crap shoot. <https://ers.usda.gov/sites/default/files/_laserfiche/DataFiles/50673/CPIHistoricalForecast.xlsx?v=41106>
These numbers are not the actual historical CPI numbers, but rather
the estimated CPI. Again, note the large range of numbers. For extra entertainment, follow the price of eggs over the last few years. Eggs
in May 2025 was forecast at:
Low Mid Upper
22.6% 39.2% 59.9%
Heard anyone in the media complain about 39.2% inflation for eggs?
Mr Kunich's chosen plonk (Apothic) is domestic.
but a it confusion how a "tax" on important goods decreases Ute cost
of locally produced goods :-)
On Mon, 26 May 2025 17:24:06 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>Biden. I'm telling you, those tariffs are really killing us. Certainly not everything has gone down but I'm assuming that they soon will.
wrote:
On Sun May 25 18:28:31 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 25 May 2025 20:07:33 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
At the local supermarket, food prices have been dropping like rocks. Take for instance, wine, Apothic red mixes just scant weeks ago were showing $16.99 reduced to $10.99. Now, the same thing is $10.99 reduced to $6.99. Bread is almost back to pre-
So an increase in taxes lowered prices?
Sounds like raising taxes is a good idea, then, and everything
I learned about economy was wrong.
[]'s
PS Maybe not for you. You can't drink alcohol. Read the
absolute contraindications of your meds.
Where were taxes raised?
Don't you read the news anymore? Must be all those "Apothic
red mixes"you're drinking.
Mr Kunich's chosen plonk (Apothic) is domestic.
Hell, you just told us that Trump is raising taxes when he is dropping them.
So much on your information via CNN.
On Mon May 26 16:36:00 2025 John B. wrote:
Mr Kunich's chosen plonk (Apothic) is domestic.
but a it confusion how a "tax" on important goods decreases Ute cost
of locally produced goods :-)
Food is so cheap and varies so much that attempting to apply a tariff charge to, say, English Tea, is almost unmeasreable on an individual level. But that won't stop Liebermann.
On Wed, 28 May 2025 20:40:12 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
Hell, you just told us that Trump is raising taxes when he is dropping them.
That's good news, if the tax cuts are for the working class
and pensioners(AKA consumers ).
Sources? I saw nothing in the news.
So much on your information via CNN.
We don't trust far-right wing media like CNN in Brazil. So
very few people watch it.
On Wed, 28 May 2025 20:34:24 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Mon May 26 16:36:00 2025 John B. wrote:
Mr Kunich's chosen plonk (Apothic) is domestic.
but a it confusion how a "tax" on important goods decreases Ute cost
of locally produced goods :-)
Food is so cheap and varies so much that attempting to apply a tariff charge to, say, English Tea, is almost unmeasreable on an individual level. But that won't stop Liebermann.
but Tommy the tax on tea was sited as one of the reasons for the
Americans to revolt against their British "over lords". The Boston Tea
Party, etc....
Oh, but you never finished school, did you. Probable don't know much
about U.S. history, do you.
Even in the new world colonies they had 10,000 british troops stationed
hey were forcing the colonists to house and feed these troops. People that talk about history as if they understand it when they read a kindergarten book about it should learn actual facts.
When I said that I read out 3 libraries of all of their non-fiction did you think that books written about the revolution written in 1850 weren't closer to the facts? Perhaps you should stick with the CNN version.
On Wed May 28 18:38:08 2025 John B. wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2025 20:34:24 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Mon May 26 16:36:00 2025 John B. wrote:
Mr Kunich's chosen plonk (Apothic) is domestic.
but a it confusion how a "tax" on important goods decreases Ute cost
of locally produced goods :-)
Food is so cheap and varies so much that attempting to apply a tariff charge to, say, English Tea, is almost unmeasreable on an individual level. But that won't stop Liebermann.
but Tommy the tax on tea was sited as one of the reasons for the
Americans to revolt against their British "over lords". The Boston Tea
Party, etc....
Oh, but you never finished school, did you. Probable don't know much
about U.S. history, do you.
John, you're not much of an economist. Great Britain was called that because they were busy conquering every other country in the world. Even in the new world colonies they had 10,000 british troops stationed and aside from the tax on tea which wasnothing more than the final straw, they were forcing the colonists to house and feed these troops. People that talk about history as if they understand it when they read a kindergarten book about it should learn actual facts.
When I said that I read out 3 libraries of all of their non-fiction did you think that books written about the revolution written in 1850 weren't closer to the facts? Perhaps you should stick with the CNN version.
On Wed May 28 19:54:46 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2025 20:40:12 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
Hell, you just told us that Trump is raising taxes when he is dropping them.
That's good news, if the tax cuts are for the working class
and pensioners(AKA consumers ).
Sources? I saw nothing in the news.
So much on your information via CNN.
We don't trust far-right wing media like CNN in Brazil. So
very few people watch it.
https://apnews.com/article/tax-cuts-jobs-act-trump-treasury-agenda-f4031196e0d69d0a1630e3b06b6d3cd7
Only someone missing a brain would believe that ANY general tax cut wouldn't effect those paying the most in taxes. Do you suppose that retired people on limited incomes would end up with more money in the bank?
Brazikl has had open borders for a long time and is falling apart. That you would call CNN right wing tells us your politics in a nutshell.
On Wed May 28 18:38:08 2025 John B. wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2025 20:34:24 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Mon May 26 16:36:00 2025 John B. wrote:
Mr Kunich's chosen plonk (Apothic) is domestic.
but a it confusion how a "tax" on important goods decreases Ute cost
of locally produced goods :-)
Food is so cheap and varies so much that attempting to apply a tariff charge to, say, English Tea, is almost unmeasreable on an individual level. But that won't stop Liebermann.
but Tommy the tax on tea was sited as one of the reasons for the
Americans to revolt against their British "over lords". The Boston Tea
Party, etc....
Oh, but you never finished school, did you. Probable don't know much
about U.S. history, do you.
John, you're not much of an economist. Great Britain was called that because they were busy conquering every other country in the world. Even in the new world colonies they had 10,000 british troops stationed and aside from the tax on tea which wasnothing more than the final straw, they were forcing the colonists to house and feed these troops. People that talk about history as if they understand it when they read a kindergarten book about it should learn actual facts.
When I said that I read out 3 libraries of all of their non-fiction did you think that books written about the revolution written in 1850 weren't closer to the facts? Perhaps you should stick with the CNN version.
On Mon, 26 May 2025 13:18:49 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:Biden. I'm telling you, those tariffs are really killing us. Certainly not everything has gone down but I'm assuming that they soon will.
On 5/26/2025 12:34 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 26 May 2025 17:24:06 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun May 25 18:28:31 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 25 May 2025 20:07:33 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
At the local supermarket, food prices have been dropping like rocks. Take for instance, wine, Apothic red mixes just scant weeks ago were showing $16.99 reduced to $10.99. Now, the same thing is $10.99 reduced to $6.99. Bread is almost back to pre-
So an increase in taxes lowered prices?
Sounds like raising taxes is a good idea, then, and everything
I learned about economy was wrong.
[]'s
PS Maybe not for you. You can't drink alcohol. Read the
absolute contraindications of your meds.
Where were taxes raised?
A tariff is a tax on imported goods. The importer pays the tax, which
is then passed on to distributors, dealers, and eventually individual
buyers.
Mr Kunich's chosen plonk (Apothic) is domestic.
Thanks. The importer or distributor probably does not pass on their increased tariff costs by individual items. The distributor probably
also sells foreign wines that are subject to tariff taxation. My
guess(tm) is that the distributor will pass on a single uniform
percentage price increase across their entire wine inventory because
it's easier to administer. If we see the price of domestic wines
increase along with imported wines, that's a likely cause.
On 5/26/2025 2:39 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 26 May 2025 13:18:49 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/26/2025 12:34 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 26 May 2025 17:24:06 GMT, cyclintom
<cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun May 25 18:28:31 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 25 May 2025 20:07:33 GMT, cyclintom
<cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
At the local supermarket, food prices have been
dropping like rocks. Take for instance, wine, Apothic
red mixes just scant weeks ago were showing $16.99
reduced to $10.99. Now, the same thing is $10.99
reduced to $6.99. Bread is almost back to pre-Biden.
I'm telling you, those tariffs are really killing us.
Certainly not everything has gone down but I'm
assuming that they soon will.
    So an increase in taxes lowered prices?
    Sounds like raising taxes is a good idea, then,
and everything
I learned about economy was wrong.
    []'s
    PS Maybe not for you. You can't drink alcohol.
Read the
absolute contraindications of your meds.
Where were taxes raised?
A tariff is a tax on imported goods. The importer pays
the tax, which
is then passed on to distributors, dealers, and
eventually individual
buyers.
Mr Kunich's chosen plonk (Apothic) is domestic.
Thanks. The importer or distributor probably does not
pass on their
increased tariff costs by individual items. The
distributor probably
also sells foreign wines that are subject to tariff
taxation. My
guess(tm) is that the distributor will pass on a single
uniform
percentage price increase across their entire wine
inventory because
it's easier to administer. If we see the price of
domestic wines
increase along with imported wines, that's a likely cause.
There have been price drops on domestically produced alcohol
for a good reason - the export market has 'dried' up largely
due to Canadian trade sanctions which constitute a
significant portion of US exports. From there it's a simple
application of the laws of supply and demand.
Apothic is one of our favorite vineyards (we hold Michael
David as our top pick). Both are Nor Cal wineries (Modesto
and Lodi) that until trumps latest temper tantrum had a
substantial Canadian market. Until the orange man-child
decided to wage economic war on our closest ally, Canada was
the signal largest US wine export market but a significant
margin.
No more...
https://www.decanter.com/wine-news/trumps-us-tariffs-may- raise-prices-warns-eu-wine-body-554002/
"Wine Institute president and CEO Robert P. Koch said,
â€Today’s announcement of new tariffs will only make it
harder for American wineries to regain access to Canada, by
far our most important export market. In early March, Canada
cleared its shelves of all U.S. wine and continues to block
its sale.’ "
https://www.sommelierindia.com/u-s-wineries-recoil-from-
canadian-tariffs/
It's no wonder there is a significant drop in Apothic
prices. While good for the consumer in the short term, it's
devastating to the US wine industry.
Wines are not alone.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/kentucky-bourbon-exports- risk-trump-canada-trade-tensions/story?id=121530023
"Kentucky's bourbon industry faces potential devastation as
President Donald Trump's latest tariff dispute with Canada
threatens to halt $43 million in annual whiskey exports. "
https://www.lcbo.com/content/lcbo/en/corporate-pages/lcbo- response-to-u-s--tariffs--q-a.html
"How long will these restrictions last?​
U.S. products are no longer available for purchase until the
LCBO is directed by the government to resume normal
business. ​
Can I get U.S. products from other licensed retailers?​
Wholesale customers, including grocery and convenience
stores, bars, restaurants, and other retailers, are no
longer able to place orders of U.S. products. It is at their
discretion to sell existing inventory.​"
We've seen a drop in bourbon prices locally - Law of supply
and demand. Good for us US consumers in the short term, but
costing US jobs and driving prices up in the long term.
Idiots like kunich will try to blame this on fictitious
tableaus of Biden DEI policies.
https://www.decanter.com/wine-news/trumps-us-tariffs-may-raise-prices-warns-eu-wine-body-554002/
On Fri, 30 May 2025 01:48:47 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Even in the new world colonies they had 10,000 british troops stationed
50,000 is more closer to the mark than 10,000.
"The British Army and the War of Independence" <https://academic.oup.com/edited-volume/34530/chapter-abstract/292941888>
"At its peak, the British army in North America had approximately
50,000 officers and men, constituting the largest expeditionary force
sent overseas by any British governments."
However, there's a problem. All 50,000 were not British. Here's a
source that claims 30,000 were Hessians and 25,000 were Americans
fighting in "provincial" regiments.
"The British Army in the American Revolution" <https://www.battlefields.org/learn/articles/british-army-american-revolution>
Since the total is over 50,000, all the numbers are likely to be
exaggerated.
hey were forcing the colonists to house and feed these troops. People that talk about history as if they understand it when they read a kindergarten book about it should learn actual facts.
Facts? Where did you get your numbers? Or did you just invent them
of the occasion.
When I said that I read out 3 libraries of all of their non-fiction did you think that books written about the revolution written in 1850 weren't closer to the facts? Perhaps you should stick with the CNN version.
What book about the American Revolution was written in 1850 that was
"closer to the facts"? I'm curious.
You have a faulty memory. Your original claim did not include the "non-fiction" clause, which you added fairly recently. This is your
earliest mention of libraries that I could find:
06/07/2022 <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/QNPNSofg064/m/Xaamy15iBQAJ> "I would warrant that I've read more than 20 times more books than you
have. I read out three public libraries, the military library and all
of the books I used to gain the knowledge to become an engineer."
On Fri May 30 07:33:54 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 5/29/2025 8:36 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Wed May 28 19:54:46 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2025 20:40:12 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
Hell, you just told us that Trump is raising taxes when he is dropping them.
That's good news, if the tax cuts are for the working class
and pensioners(AKA consumers ).
Sources? I saw nothing in the news.
So much on your information via CNN.
We don't trust far-right wing media like CNN in Brazil. So
very few people watch it.
https://apnews.com/article/tax-cuts-jobs-act-trump-treasury-agenda-f4031196e0d69d0a1630e3b06b6d3cd7
Only someone missing a brain would believe that ANY general tax cut wouldn't effect those paying the most in taxes. Do you suppose that retired people on limited incomes would end up with more money in the bank?
Brazikl has had open borders for a long time and is falling apart. That you would call CNN right wing tells us your politics in a nutshell.
WTF?
Brasil has experienced net _emigration_ for a good long while:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1392875/migration-rate-brazil/
Andrew, there are plenty of Portuguese and Venezueloanns that think that Brazil is heaven on Earth in comparison to their own countries. The problem isn't with migration rates but the tribalism that occurs with open borders. How do you propose togovern a mass of people all with different languages and ideas of how to live?
On 5/30/2025 11:19 AM, cyclintom wrote:
... we now know that 74% of people taking the vaccine suffered permanentheart damage ...
Fascinating! And your source for that factoid is ... ???
On Thu May 29 19:19:22 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 30 May 2025 01:48:47 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Even in the new world colonies they had 10,000 british troops stationed
50,000 is more closer to the mark than 10,000.
"The British Army and the War of Independence"
<https://academic.oup.com/edited-volume/34530/chapter-abstract/292941888>
"At its peak, the British army in North America had approximately
50,000 officers and men, constituting the largest expeditionary force
sent overseas by any British governments."
However, there's a problem. All 50,000 were not British. Here's a
source that claims 30,000 were Hessians and 25,000 were Americans
fighting in "provincial" regiments.
"The British Army in the American Revolution"
<https://www.battlefields.org/learn/articles/british-army-american-revolution>
Since the total is over 50,000, all the numbers are likely to be
exaggerated.
hey were forcing the colonists to house and feed these troops. People that talk about history as if they understand it when they read a kindergarten book about it should learn actual facts.
Facts? Where did you get your numbers? Or did you just invent them
of the occasion.
When I said that I read out 3 libraries of all of their non-fiction did you think that books written about the revolution written in 1850 weren't closer to the facts? Perhaps you should stick with the CNN version.
What book about the American Revolution was written in 1850 that was
"closer to the facts"? I'm curious.
You have a faulty memory. Your original claim did not include the
"non-fiction" clause, which you added fairly recently. This is your
earliest mention of libraries that I could find:
06/07/2022
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/QNPNSofg064/m/Xaamy15iBQAJ> >> "I would warrant that I've read more than 20 times more books than you
have. I read out three public libraries, the military library and all
of the books I used to gain the knowledge to become an engineer."
Liebermann and his magic Google picks a site that doesn't mention the real problem - that British soldiers were expexted to be fed and housed by American families. There isn't anything that the failure cannot argue about.
After SAYING that the Covid-19 vaccine did him no harm
and we now know that 74% of people taking the vaccine suffered permanent heart damage
it really sounds good him telling us that he didn't get the vaccine because I said not to.
So why did he say at the time that he was getting it because I warned people not toL?
Now pinhead is talking about the British Army as if they weren't the British Army because a percentage of them were Hessians (Germans).
The little boy was broght up as a freak and he never found it better to act sane.
Brazikl has had open borders for a long time and is falling apart.
That you would call CNN right wing tells us your politics in a nutshell.
On Fri May 30 07:33:54 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 5/29/2025 8:36 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Wed May 28 19:54:46 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2025 20:40:12 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
Hell, you just told us that Trump is raising taxes when he is dropping them.
That's good news, if the tax cuts are for the working class
and pensioners(AKA consumers ).
Sources? I saw nothing in the news.
So much on your information via CNN.
We don't trust far-right wing media like CNN in Brazil. So
very few people watch it.
https://apnews.com/article/tax-cuts-jobs-act-trump-treasury-agenda-f4031196e0d69d0a1630e3b06b6d3cd7
Only someone missing a brain would believe that ANY general tax cut wouldn't effect those paying the most in taxes. Do you suppose that retired people on limited incomes would end up with more money in the bank?
Brazikl has had open borders for a long time and is falling apart. That you would call CNN right wing tells us your politics in a nutshell.
WTF?
Brasil has experienced net _emigration_ for a good long while:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1392875/migration-rate-brazil/
Andrew, there are plenty of Portuguese and Venezueloanns that think that Brazil is heaven on Earth in comparison to their own countries. The problem isn't with migration rates but the tribalism that occurs with open borders. How do you propose to governa mass of people all with different languages and ideas of how to live?
On 5/30/2025 8:43 AM, AMuzi wrote:
Over here we don't much distinguish (England, Britain, GB and UK)
although we probably ought to.
After I was gently chided by a British friend, I did my best to learn
what each of those terms meant. It's still confusing.
And I have Irish friends and American friends of Irish heritage who
fervently hope to make all of Ireland "A Nation Once Again." If they
succeed, I suppose one of those terms will be outmoded.
I remember having a conversation with a colleague who was from Ugandan >originally who was going though citizenship and that folks knowledge of >Ugandan so I asked her to tell me about the Brecon Beacons or the Welsh >Valleys, or maybe the Welsh knot? To her credit she accepted that despite >living only 2hrs away she had no idea of Wales which as she said was tad >embarrassing.
On 31 May 2025 12:18:43 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
I remember having a conversation with a colleague who was from Ugandan
originally who was going though citizenship and that folks knowledge of
Ugandan so I asked her to tell me about the Brecon Beacons or the Welsh
Valleys, or maybe the Welsh knot? To her credit she accepted that despite
living only 2hrs away she had no idea of Wales which as she said was tad
embarrassing.
That's typical. Test yourself and see how well you remember. I'll
trust you not to cheat or peek.
- Name a few (about 5) local elected officials and their positions.1
- How many steps do you climb before entering your house?
- What are the first few letters on the bottom row of a QWERTY
keyboard?
- Point in the direction of true north and compare with true north on
a map.
- How many points (or grooves) on a Torx driver?
- Is the LEFT bicycle pedal spindle LR or RH thread?
- Calculator and telephone keyboards are different. For each type, is
the "0" key in the top row or bottom row of the keyboard?
- How much dirt is in a hole 2 x 2 x 2 meters (or 2 x 2 x 2 yards)?
- What is the current cost of a first class US postage stamp? (US
only)
- How many barlycorns in 1 inch? (UK only)
- Who is on the front of a US $10 bill? (US only)
- What is on the back of a US $10 bill? (US only)
- Home doors open inward or outward?
- Commercial building doors open inward or outward?
- From memory, itemize the larger items in your refrigerator.
That should be sufficient. These are common things that we deal with
daily, yet typically do NOT remember when asked. We hardly ever think
about the more commonplace items that don't require much attention.
Visitors to my area frequently ask for directions. I've been living
here about 50 years and still can't remember the names of the local
roads:
<https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/1540-Jackson-Ave.jpg>
I could probably add some more examples after the phone decides to
stop ringing.
<https://photos.app.goo.gl/jWG5iNb8hKWa9QJu6>
(I couldn't resist and bought this yesterday at a local auto parts
store).
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
On 31 May 2025 12:18:43 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
I remember having a conversation with a colleague who was from Ugandan
originally who was going though citizenship and that folks knowledge of
Ugandan so I asked her to tell me about the Brecon Beacons or the Welsh
Valleys, or maybe the Welsh knot? To her credit she accepted that despite >>> living only 2hrs away she had no idea of Wales which as she said was tad >>> embarrassing.
That's typical. Test yourself and see how well you remember. I'll
trust you not to cheat or peek.
Ah I should of been clearer, unless you’ve lived in Wales the Welsh Valleys >as an area is just unknown after all bar the Levels, all of Wales is hills >and Valleys, the Beacons yes I expect that she might at least of heard of
it, but little more, the Welsh knot (which children had to wear if they
spoke Welsh) it was unlikely she would know of.
In short if you don’t live in Wales its cultures and history are quite >different and certainly not something anyone living in England would
commonly know of, which shows a lack of curiosity personally!
1
- Name a few (about 5) local elected officials and their positions.
- How many steps do you climb before entering your house?
- What are the first few letters on the bottom row of a QWERTY
keyboard?
Despite being trained as touch typists that escaped me!
- Point in the direction of true north and compare with true north on
a map.
I think UK are much less concerned with compass directions for navigating, >compared to the US.
- How many points (or grooves) on a Torx driver?
8/9
- Is the LEFT bicycle pedal spindle LR or RH thread?
I always have to check though pedals last though the bearings do go now and >then.
- Calculator and telephone keyboards are different. For each type, is
the "0" key in the top row or bottom row of the keyboard?
- How much dirt is in a hole 2 x 2 x 2 meters (or 2 x 2 x 2 yards)?
- What is the current cost of a first class US postage stamp? (US
only)
- How many barlycorns in 1 inch? (UK only)
Not a clue not even heard of a Barlycorn I’m guessing it’s a one of the pre >imperial measurements that, was intended to be replaced by a more logical >measurement!
- Who is on the front of a US $10 bill? (US only)
- What is on the back of a US $10 bill? (US only)
- Home doors open inward or outward?
Most in but the French windows open out.
- Commercial building doors open inward or outward?
That rather depends on the building type and history in my experience.
- From memory, itemize the larger items in your refrigerator.
Not a lot!
That should be sufficient. These are common things that we deal withRoger Merriman
daily, yet typically do NOT remember when asked. We hardly ever think
about the more commonplace items that don't require much attention.
Visitors to my area frequently ask for directions. I've been living
here about 50 years and still can't remember the names of the local
roads:
<https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/1540-Jackson-Ave.jpg>
I could probably add some more examples after the phone decides to
stop ringing.
<https://photos.app.goo.gl/jWG5iNb8hKWa9QJu6>
(I couldn't resist and bought this yesterday at a local auto parts
store).
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
- What are the first few letters on the bottom row of a QWERTY
keyboard?
Despite being trained as touch typists that escaped me!
On Fri May 30 13:27:04 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/30/2025 11:19 AM, cyclintom wrote:
... we now know that 74% of people taking the vaccine suffered permanent >> heart damage ...
Fascinating! And your source for that factoid is ... ???
Frank, it is very difficult to discover the actual paper since Fauci made sure that side effects were blamed almost entirelu on Covid-19 rather than the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines. you have to look for it and you have no intensions of doing that.You, like most teachers want others to do your thinking for you.
How is it possible for every "study" out of the FDA to claim no increased risk with mRNA "vaccines" and every medical study since Fauci was forcibly retired to show the cause of 10-20% increased death rates to be focuseed on mRNA GMO's?
Increased deaths aren't the only problem but wildly increased multiple cause illnesses wirh permanent injuries. Most especially in young men from 19-24 suggesting an interaction with testosterone.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34921468/
One of the vaaccines on the second shot had 100% chest pains.
As a question, why are you arguing about this unless all you want to do is claim that I am wrong?
With multiple injections the chances of side effects multiply and there is NO detectable protection from covid-19. Even during Fauci's time the papers all showed next to no protection at all from infection with covid-19. And most papers showed NO sideeffects from contracting the disease and getting well from it. Everyone that had "long covid" had been given the jab.
I spent 50 years working on medical devices or laboratory devices designed to detect diseases. Be very sure that you show that as a teacher you know far more about it than I do.
In article <ma12kgF4l8nU1@mid.individual.net>,
Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
- What are the first few letters on the bottom row of a QWERTY
keyboard?
Despite being trained as touch typists that escaped me!
I think being so-trained or well-practiced makes this a more
difficult question. I could get you the answer, but I'd have to imagine >typing every letter of the alphabet and keep track of which were on the >bottom row. :)
Frank, it is very difficult to discover the actual paper since Fauci made sure that side effects were blamed almost entirelu on Covid-19
On Sat, 31 May 2025 19:41:34 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>You, like most teachers want others to do your thinking for you.
wrote:
On Fri May 30 13:27:04 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/30/2025 11:19 AM, cyclintom wrote:
... we now know that 74% of people taking the vaccine suffered permanent >>> heart damage ...
Fascinating! And your source for that factoid is ... ???
Frank, it is very difficult to discover the actual paper since Fauci made sure that side effects were blamed almost entirelu on Covid-19 rather than the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines. you have to look for it and you have no intensions of doing that.
effects from contracting the disease and getting well from it. Everyone that had "long covid" had been given the jab.
How is it possible for every "study" out of the FDA to claim no increased risk with mRNA "vaccines" and every medical study since Fauci was forcibly retired to show the cause of 10-20% increased death rates to be focuseed on mRNA GMO's?
Increased deaths aren't the only problem but wildly increased multiple cause illnesses wirh permanent injuries. Most especially in young men from 19-24 suggesting an interaction with testosterone.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34921468/
That's what is known as a "survey". There is no actual testing being >performed. Instead, the results of multiple publications are filtered
and tabulated to produce the data for analysis. Access to the entire
report is blocked by a paywall.
"We systematically searched PubMed, Scopus, Web of Science, and Google >Scholar, as well as the medRxiv preprint server, with terms including: >‘SARS-CoV-2’, ‘COVID-19’, ‘messenger RNA vaccine*’, ‘mRNA-1273
vaccine’, ‘BNT162 vaccine’, ‘myocarditis’, ‘pericarditis’, ‘stroke’
and ‘Myocardial Ischemia’ up to 25 September 2021."
Without access to the original report, I can't determine if the data
was likely to be valid or if it was tweaked to conform to an agenda.
Here's the list of 5 sources along with a list of keywords (supporting >information): ><https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/action/downloadSupplement?doi=10.1002%2Frmv.2318&file=rmv2318-sup-0001-suppl-data.docx>
The survey was published on Dec 17, 2021. Presumably, that data from
the various sources was collect earlier. My GUESS(tm) is at least 6
months earlier and possibly a year earlier. I'll be generous and use
6 months or mid-June 2021. The first vaccines were available for
general consumption in Dec 2020:
"History of COVID-19: Outbreaks and vaccine timeline" ><https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/history-disease-outbreaks-vaccine-timeline/covid-19>
That means that the data used covered Dec 2020 thru June 2021, which
is a 7 month period. That's not too horrible for early research, but
hardly evidence of a problem that affected 100% of those tested.
One of the vaaccines on the second shot had 100% chest pains.
How did you know it was the 2nd shot? It was not mentioned in your
PubMed abstract. Did you pay for the download of the full report?
As a question, why are you arguing about this unless all you want to do is claim that I am wrong?
Frank can answer with his point of view, but that is exactly why I'm >responding. Also, I don't argue. I just provide evidence that your
wrong. If I can't do that, usually do to lack of information, I use
logic and speculation.
With multiple injections the chances of side effects multiply and there is NO detectable protection from covid-19. Even during Fauci's time the papers all showed next to no protection at all from infection with covid-19. And most papers showed NO side
Since you like survey reports: (Feb 1, 2023)
"Effect of covid-19 vaccination on long covid: systematic review" ><https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9978692/>
"Current studies suggest that covid-19 vaccines might have protective
and therapeutic effects on long covid. More robust comparative
observational studies and trials are needed, however, to clearly
determine the effectiveness of vaccines in preventing and treating
long covid."
I spent 50 years working on medical devices or laboratory devices designed to detect diseases. Be very sure that you show that as a teacher you know far more about it than I do.
No you didn't. You online resume says otherwise. You spent 30 years
writing code: ><https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
I need to finish cleaning and waxing my Subaru. Have a nice day.
On Sat, 31 May 2025 13:45:06 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>You, like most teachers want others to do your thinking for you.
wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2025 19:41:34 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri May 30 13:27:04 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/30/2025 11:19 AM, cyclintom wrote:
... we now know that 74% of people taking the vaccine suffered permanent >>>> heart damage ...
Fascinating! And your source for that factoid is ... ???
Frank, it is very difficult to discover the actual paper since Fauci made sure that side effects were blamed almost entirelu on Covid-19 rather than the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines. you have to look for it and you have no intensions of doing that.
effects from contracting the disease and getting well from it. Everyone that had "long covid" had been given the jab.
How is it possible for every "study" out of the FDA to claim no increased risk with mRNA "vaccines" and every medical study since Fauci was forcibly retired to show the cause of 10-20% increased death rates to be focuseed on mRNA GMO's?
Increased deaths aren't the only problem but wildly increased multiple cause illnesses wirh permanent injuries. Most especially in young men from 19-24 suggesting an interaction with testosterone.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34921468/
That's what is known as a "survey". There is no actual testing being >>performed. Instead, the results of multiple publications are filtered
and tabulated to produce the data for analysis. Access to the entire >>report is blocked by a paywall.
"We systematically searched PubMed, Scopus, Web of Science, and Google >>Scholar, as well as the medRxiv preprint server, with terms including: >>‘SARS-CoV-2’, ‘COVID-19’, ‘messenger RNA vaccine*’, ‘mRNA-1273
vaccine’, ‘BNT162 vaccine’, ‘myocarditis’, ‘pericarditis’, ‘stroke’
and ‘Myocardial Ischemia’ up to 25 September 2021."
Without access to the original report, I can't determine if the data
was likely to be valid or if it was tweaked to conform to an agenda.
Here's the list of 5 sources along with a list of keywords (supporting >>information): >><https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/action/downloadSupplement?doi=10.1002%2Frmv.2318&file=rmv2318-sup-0001-suppl-data.docx>
The survey was published on Dec 17, 2021. Presumably, that data from
the various sources was collect earlier. My GUESS(tm) is at least 6
months earlier and possibly a year earlier. I'll be generous and use
6 months or mid-June 2021. The first vaccines were available for
general consumption in Dec 2020:
"History of COVID-19: Outbreaks and vaccine timeline" >><https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/history-disease-outbreaks-vaccine-timeline/covid-19>
That means that the data used covered Dec 2020 thru June 2021, which
is a 7 month period. That's not too horrible for early research, but >>hardly evidence of a problem that affected 100% of those tested.
One of the vaaccines on the second shot had 100% chest pains.
How did you know it was the 2nd shot? It was not mentioned in your
PubMed abstract. Did you pay for the download of the full report?
As a question, why are you arguing about this unless all you want to do is claim that I am wrong?
Frank can answer with his point of view, but that is exactly why I'm >>responding. Also, I don't argue. I just provide evidence that your
wrong. If I can't do that, usually do to lack of information, I use
logic and speculation.
With multiple injections the chances of side effects multiply and there is NO detectable protection from covid-19. Even during Fauci's time the papers all showed next to no protection at all from infection with covid-19. And most papers showed NO side
Since you like survey reports: (Feb 1, 2023)
"Effect of covid-19 vaccination on long covid: systematic review" >><https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9978692/>
"Current studies suggest that covid-19 vaccines might have protective
and therapeutic effects on long covid. More robust comparative >>observational studies and trials are needed, however, to clearly
determine the effectiveness of vaccines in preventing and treating
long covid."
I spent 50 years working on medical devices or laboratory devices designed to detect diseases. Be very sure that you show that as a teacher you know far more about it than I do.
No you didn't. You online resume says otherwise. You spent 30 years >>writing code: >><https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
I need to finish cleaning and waxing my Subaru. Have a nice day.
Re Tommy's claims...
"read out" three libraries..."
I recentily did some adding and subtracting and it seems a reasonable
number for a 'HOME TOWN" liberty is about 46,946 books, estimated a
reading time of each. --- 10.25 hours a book = 481,218 hours. If you
read about 4 hours a day that is 120,304 days.
Times 3 library = 360, 912, or "a whole bunch of days".
Does Tommy's famous "resume" include that? :-)
On 5/31/2025 5:07 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2025 20:42:31 -0000 (UTC), Beej Jorgensen
<beej@beej.us> wrote:
In article <ma12kgF4l8nU1@mid.individual.net>,
Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
- What are the first few letters on the bottom row of a QWERTY
keyboard?
Despite being trained as touch typists that escaped me!
I think being so-trained or well-practiced makes this a more
difficult question. I could get you the answer, but I'd have to imagine
typing every letter of the alphabet and keep track of which were on the
bottom row. :)
Actually, it can be easily done and demonstrated. Find a line drawing
of a typical QWERTY keyboard that does NOT have the characters and
functions.
<https://www.google.com/search?q=qwerty%20keyboard%20without%20labels&udm=2> >> This should work:
<https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/keyboard-blank.jpg>
Print it on paper as close to actual size as possible.
Then, go through the alphabet A -> Z while pressing the corresponding
letter on the paper keyboard. Watch which key you hit. Every time
you hit something in the bottom row, scribble it down somewhere. I
just tried it and it works (for me).
My desk usually has one (or more) keyboards buried under a pile of
paper. I use it every day for many hours. One might expect looking
at the keyboard and using the keyboard would imprint an image of the
keycaps on my caffeine saturated brain. Nope. My blank mind is an
uncluttered mind.
FWIW, I missed the keyboard question and the $10 bill questions.
The
rest were not hard, mostly because of quirks: I've got a repair project >pending on my side porch steps; I had to align my reflecting ceiling
sundial with due north-south, and learned my house is precisely oriented
that way... etc.
About the blank keyboard, I dimly remember reading about some sort of >experiment where users learned an internet password entirely by touch,
so they "knew" it but could generally not say what the letters were.
On 31 May 2025 19:12:16 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
On 31 May 2025 12:18:43 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
I remember having a conversation with a colleague who was from Ugandan >>>> originally who was going though citizenship and that folks knowledge of >>>> Ugandan so I asked her to tell me about the Brecon Beacons or the Welsh >>>> Valleys, or maybe the Welsh knot? To her credit she accepted that despite >>>> living only 2hrs away she had no idea of Wales which as she said was tad >>>> embarrassing.
That's typical. Test yourself and see how well you remember. I'll
trust you not to cheat or peek.
Ah I should of been clearer, unless youÂ’ve lived in Wales the Welsh Valleys >> as an area is just unknown after all bar the Levels, all of Wales is hills >> and Valleys, the Beacons yes I expect that she might at least of heard of
it, but little more, the Welsh knot (which children had to wear if they
spoke Welsh) it was unlikely she would know of.
In short if you donÂ’t live in Wales its cultures and history are quite
different and certainly not something anyone living in England would
commonly know of, which shows a lack of curiosity personally!
1
- Name a few (about 5) local elected officials and their positions.
- How many steps do you climb before entering your house?
- What are the first few letters on the bottom row of a QWERTY
keyboard?
Despite being trained as touch typists that escaped me!
- Point in the direction of true north and compare with true north on
a map.
I think UK are much less concerned with compass directions for navigating, >> compared to the US.
- How many points (or grooves) on a Torx driver?
8/9
Wrong. Please count them.
- Is the LEFT bicycle pedal spindle LR or RH thread?
I always have to check though pedals last though the bearings do go now and >> then.
The crank arms are usually properly threaded, so it's difficult to
make a mistake. However, if I don't have some crank arms available
for reference, I sometimes get confused. The same thing has happened
to me with older automobile lug nuts. <https://lugnutguys.com/collections/lug-nuts-left-hand-thread-1-2-20-lh>
- Calculator and telephone keyboards are different. For each type, is
the "0" key in the top row or bottom row of the keyboard?
- How much dirt is in a hole 2 x 2 x 2 meters (or 2 x 2 x 2 yards)?
- What is the current cost of a first class US postage stamp? (US
only)
- How many barlycorns in 1 inch? (UK only)
Not a clue not even heard of a Barlycorn IÂ’m guessing itÂ’s a one of the pre
imperial measurements that, was intended to be replaced by a more logical
measurement!
1 inch = 3 barleycorns. It's still in use (somewhere) for shoe sizes. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoe_size#United_Kingdom>
I ran into when I bought some used shoes at a local thrift shop.
- Who is on the front of a US $10 bill? (US only)
- What is on the back of a US $10 bill? (US only)
- Home doors open inward or outward?
Most in but the French windows open out.
Nope. Residential doors open inward. That's because they usually
have screen doors which open outward. If they were reversed, with the
screen door on the inside, all the insects and flying bugs would end
up inside the house when the screen door is opened.
However, there are exceptions: <https://www.uswindow-door.com/faq/can-front-doors-open-outwards>
"Because of hurricane-force winds, Florida communities are now seeing
the concept of outward opening doors as an advantage."
When I replaced the two outside doors on my house, I hung them so that
they open outward. The floor space gained by inward swinging doors
made the effort worthwhile. Instead of a screen door, I have a "wire
mesh curtain screen", that rolls up like roller shades. The curtain
screen has magnets around the edges to provide a bug tight seal.
- Commercial building doors open inward or outward?
That rather depends on the building type and history in my experience.
Nope. In the US, they usually open outward. That's for fire safety
and is inscribed in the fire code. There have been incidents in
theaters and public buildings, where the doors become jammed shut by
the crush of people trying to escape the building. Like residential
doors, there are exceptions. Currently, code requires a "crash bar"
that automatically unlocks the door if it detects a crush or stampede.
- From memory, itemize the larger items in your refrigerator.
Not a lot!
I was introduced to this effect by being asked to make a rough drawing
of the inside of my refrigerator highlighting the various
compartments. I then was asked to list what items are in the fridge
and where they are likely to be hiding. This was just after everyone
was asked to get something out of their fridge. I don't want to dive
into details but the test did expose some interesting clues as to how
we organize a grocery expedition to replenish the fridge.
That should be sufficient. These are common things that we deal withRoger Merriman
daily, yet typically do NOT remember when asked. We hardly ever think
about the more commonplace items that don't require much attention.
Visitors to my area frequently ask for directions. I've been living
here about 50 years and still can't remember the names of the local
roads:
<https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/1540-Jackson-Ave.jpg>
I could probably add some more examples after the phone decides to
stop ringing.
<https://photos.app.goo.gl/jWG5iNb8hKWa9QJu6>
(I couldn't resist and bought this yesterday at a local auto parts
store).
On 5/31/2025 3:41 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Fri May 30 13:27:04 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/30/2025 11:19 AM, cyclintom wrote:
... we now know that 74% of people taking the vaccine suffered permanent >>> heart damage ...
Fascinating! And your source for that factoid is ... ???
Frank, it is very difficult to discover the actual paper ...
Because it doesn't exist, and never did. You pulled your WAG out of the
usual orifice.
As a question, why are you arguing about this unless all you want to do is claim that I am wrong?
Like several people here, I _do_ want to point out that your are wrong.
Part of my motivation is to reduce the likelihood that some naive reader
will actually believe you. You consistently try to spread nonsense. Your >posts are harmful to society.
I spent 50 years working on medical devices or laboratory devices designed to detect diseases. Be very sure that you show that as a teacher you know far more about it than I do.
From what we can tell, you once programmed motion control in a tabletop
instrument to squirt drops of liquid into an array of test tubes. You've
also claimed to have installed telephone systems, designed critical >communications equipment for space operations and other probably
imaginary projects, which means you didn't put a solid 50 years into
medical equipment. You've never given evidence of any great medical >knowledge, and almost daily you post plenty of evidence that you don't
know your ass from your elbow regarding medicine, economics, history,
bike mechanics and more.
Back to your 74% claim: Post a link to a legitimate reference source or
shut up.
On Sat, 31 May 2025 17:48:38 -0700, John B.that. You, like most teachers want others to do your thinking for you.
<jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2025 13:45:06 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> >>wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2025 19:41:34 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri May 30 13:27:04 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/30/2025 11:19 AM, cyclintom wrote:
... we now know that 74% of people taking the vaccine suffered permanentheart damage ...
Fascinating! And your source for that factoid is ... ???
Frank, it is very difficult to discover the actual paper since Fauci made sure that side effects were blamed almost entirelu on Covid-19 rather than the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines. you have to look for it and you have no intensions of doing
side effects from contracting the disease and getting well from it. Everyone that had "long covid" had been given the jab.
How is it possible for every "study" out of the FDA to claim no increased risk with mRNA "vaccines" and every medical study since Fauci was forcibly retired to show the cause of 10-20% increased death rates to be focuseed on mRNA GMO's?
Increased deaths aren't the only problem but wildly increased multiple cause illnesses wirh permanent injuries. Most especially in young men from 19-24 suggesting an interaction with testosterone.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34921468/
That's what is known as a "survey". There is no actual testing being >>>performed. Instead, the results of multiple publications are filtered >>>and tabulated to produce the data for analysis. Access to the entire >>>report is blocked by a paywall.
"We systematically searched PubMed, Scopus, Web of Science, and Google >>>Scholar, as well as the medRxiv preprint server, with terms including: >>>‘SARS-CoV-2’, ‘COVID-19’, ‘messenger RNA vaccine*’, ‘mRNA-1273
vaccine’, ‘BNT162 vaccine’, ‘myocarditis’, ‘pericarditis’, ‘stroke’
and ‘Myocardial Ischemia’ up to 25 September 2021."
Without access to the original report, I can't determine if the data
was likely to be valid or if it was tweaked to conform to an agenda. >>>Here's the list of 5 sources along with a list of keywords (supporting >>>information): >>><https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/action/downloadSupplement?doi=10.1002%2Frmv.2318&file=rmv2318-sup-0001-suppl-data.docx>
The survey was published on Dec 17, 2021. Presumably, that data from
the various sources was collect earlier. My GUESS(tm) is at least 6 >>>months earlier and possibly a year earlier. I'll be generous and use
6 months or mid-June 2021. The first vaccines were available for
general consumption in Dec 2020:
"History of COVID-19: Outbreaks and vaccine timeline" >>><https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/history-disease-outbreaks-vaccine-timeline/covid-19>
That means that the data used covered Dec 2020 thru June 2021, which
is a 7 month period. That's not too horrible for early research, but >>>hardly evidence of a problem that affected 100% of those tested.
One of the vaaccines on the second shot had 100% chest pains.
How did you know it was the 2nd shot? It was not mentioned in your >>>PubMed abstract. Did you pay for the download of the full report?
As a question, why are you arguing about this unless all you want to do is claim that I am wrong?
Frank can answer with his point of view, but that is exactly why I'm >>>responding. Also, I don't argue. I just provide evidence that your >>>wrong. If I can't do that, usually do to lack of information, I use >>>logic and speculation.
With multiple injections the chances of side effects multiply and there is NO detectable protection from covid-19. Even during Fauci's time the papers all showed next to no protection at all from infection with covid-19. And most papers showed NO
Since you like survey reports: (Feb 1, 2023)
"Effect of covid-19 vaccination on long covid: systematic review" >>><https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9978692/>
"Current studies suggest that covid-19 vaccines might have protective
and therapeutic effects on long covid. More robust comparative >>>observational studies and trials are needed, however, to clearly >>>determine the effectiveness of vaccines in preventing and treating
long covid."
I spent 50 years working on medical devices or laboratory devices designed to detect diseases. Be very sure that you show that as a teacher you know far more about it than I do.
No you didn't. You online resume says otherwise. You spent 30 years >>>writing code: >>><https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
I need to finish cleaning and waxing my Subaru. Have a nice day.
I never made it to my Subaru. I'll try again tomorrow.
Incidentally, Andrew wanted me to try olive oil instead of wax on my
Subaru. I'll probably try that tomorrow or Monday.
Re Tommy's claims...
"read out" three libraries..."
I recentily did some adding and subtracting and it seems a reasonable >>number for a 'HOME TOWN" liberty is about 46,946 books, estimated a
reading time of each. --- 10.25 hours a book = 481,218 hours. If you
read about 4 hours a day that is 120,304 days.
Times 3 library = 360, 912, or "a whole bunch of days".
I did a similar calculation and came to similar results. There's no
way Tom could possibly have "read out" 3 public libraries and a
military library in a reasonable amount of time.
06/07/2022 ><https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/QNPNSofg064/m/Xaamy15iBQAJ> >"I would warrant that I've read more than 20 times more books than you
have. I read out three public libraries, the military library and all
of the books I used to gain the knowledge to become an engineer."
10/13/2022 ><https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/UjDRFpyNTeg/m/uuKA__SlAQAJ> >"I read every book in three major libraries and you want to tell me
about books?"
Does Tommy's famous "resume" include that? :-)
Of course not. ><https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
Tom's resume also doesn't include his alleged employment at several >companies. NASA, Sandia Lab, Sun Microsystems, Lawrence Livermore
National Laboratory, Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, Analog
Devices, ETEC, possibly Diablo Research. He claimed to have attended
Pacific Marine Academy and Chabot College and received a degree in >"navigation" from somewhere.
On Sat, 31 May 2025 17:48:38 -0700, John B.that. You, like most teachers want others to do your thinking for you.
<jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2025 13:45:06 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2025 19:41:34 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri May 30 13:27:04 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/30/2025 11:19 AM, cyclintom wrote:
... we now know that 74% of people taking the vaccine suffered permanent >>>>> heart damage ...
Fascinating! And your source for that factoid is ... ???
Frank, it is very difficult to discover the actual paper since Fauci made sure that side effects were blamed almost entirelu on Covid-19 rather than the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines. you have to look for it and you have no intensions of doing
side effects from contracting the disease and getting well from it. Everyone that had "long covid" had been given the jab.
How is it possible for every "study" out of the FDA to claim no increased risk with mRNA "vaccines" and every medical study since Fauci was forcibly retired to show the cause of 10-20% increased death rates to be focuseed on mRNA GMO's?
Increased deaths aren't the only problem but wildly increased multiple cause illnesses wirh permanent injuries. Most especially in young men from 19-24 suggesting an interaction with testosterone.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34921468/
That's what is known as a "survey". There is no actual testing being
performed. Instead, the results of multiple publications are filtered
and tabulated to produce the data for analysis. Access to the entire
report is blocked by a paywall.
"We systematically searched PubMed, Scopus, Web of Science, and Google
Scholar, as well as the medRxiv preprint server, with terms including:
â€SARS-CoV-2’, â€COVID-19’, â€messenger RNA vaccine*’, â€mRNA-1273
vaccine’, â€BNT162 vaccine’, â€myocarditis’, â€pericarditis’, â€stroke’
and â€Myocardial Ischemia’ up to 25 September 2021."
Without access to the original report, I can't determine if the data
was likely to be valid or if it was tweaked to conform to an agenda.
Here's the list of 5 sources along with a list of keywords (supporting
information):
<https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/action/downloadSupplement?doi=10.1002%2Frmv.2318&file=rmv2318-sup-0001-suppl-data.docx>
The survey was published on Dec 17, 2021. Presumably, that data from
the various sources was collect earlier. My GUESS(tm) is at least 6
months earlier and possibly a year earlier. I'll be generous and use
6 months or mid-June 2021. The first vaccines were available for
general consumption in Dec 2020:
"History of COVID-19: Outbreaks and vaccine timeline"
<https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/history-disease-outbreaks-vaccine-timeline/covid-19>
That means that the data used covered Dec 2020 thru June 2021, which
is a 7 month period. That's not too horrible for early research, but
hardly evidence of a problem that affected 100% of those tested.
One of the vaaccines on the second shot had 100% chest pains.
How did you know it was the 2nd shot? It was not mentioned in your
PubMed abstract. Did you pay for the download of the full report?
As a question, why are you arguing about this unless all you want to do is claim that I am wrong?
Frank can answer with his point of view, but that is exactly why I'm
responding. Also, I don't argue. I just provide evidence that your
wrong. If I can't do that, usually do to lack of information, I use
logic and speculation.
With multiple injections the chances of side effects multiply and there is NO detectable protection from covid-19. Even during Fauci's time the papers all showed next to no protection at all from infection with covid-19. And most papers showed NO
Since you like survey reports: (Feb 1, 2023)
"Effect of covid-19 vaccination on long covid: systematic review"
<https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9978692/>
"Current studies suggest that covid-19 vaccines might have protective
and therapeutic effects on long covid. More robust comparative
observational studies and trials are needed, however, to clearly
determine the effectiveness of vaccines in preventing and treating
long covid."
I spent 50 years working on medical devices or laboratory devices designed to detect diseases. Be very sure that you show that as a teacher you know far more about it than I do.
No you didn't. You online resume says otherwise. You spent 30 years
writing code:
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
I need to finish cleaning and waxing my Subaru. Have a nice day.
I never made it to my Subaru. I'll try again tomorrow.
Incidentally, Andrew wanted me to try olive oil instead of wax on my
Subaru. I'll probably try that tomorrow or Monday.
Re Tommy's claims...
"read out" three libraries..."
I recentily did some adding and subtracting and it seems a reasonable
number for a 'HOME TOWN" liberty is about 46,946 books, estimated a
reading time of each. --- 10.25 hours a book = 481,218 hours. If you
read about 4 hours a day that is 120,304 days.
Times 3 library = 360, 912, or "a whole bunch of days".
I did a similar calculation and came to similar results. There's no
way Tom could possibly have "read out" 3 public libraries and a
military library in a reasonable amount of time.
06/07/2022 <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/QNPNSofg064/m/Xaamy15iBQAJ> "I would warrant that I've read more than 20 times more books than you
have. I read out three public libraries, the military library and all
of the books I used to gain the knowledge to become an engineer."
10/13/2022 <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/UjDRFpyNTeg/m/uuKA__SlAQAJ> "I read every book in three major libraries and you want to tell me
about books?"
Does Tommy's famous "resume" include that? :-)
Of course not. <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
Tom's resume also doesn't include his alleged employment at several companies. NASA, Sandia Lab, Sun Microsystems, Lawrence Livermore
National Laboratory, Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, Analog
Devices, ETEC, possibly Diablo Research. He claimed to have attended
Pacific Marine Academy and Chabot College and received a degree in "navigation" from somewhere.
On Sat, 31 May 2025 18:46:27 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>that. You, like most teachers want others to do your thinking for you.
wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2025 17:48:38 -0700, John B.
<jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2025 13:45:06 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2025 19:41:34 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri May 30 13:27:04 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/30/2025 11:19 AM, cyclintom wrote:
... we now know that 74% of people taking the vaccine suffered permanentheart damage ...
Fascinating! And your source for that factoid is ... ???
Frank, it is very difficult to discover the actual paper since Fauci made sure that side effects were blamed almost entirelu on Covid-19 rather than the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines. you have to look for it and you have no intensions of doing
side effects from contracting the disease and getting well from it. Everyone that had "long covid" had been given the jab.
How is it possible for every "study" out of the FDA to claim no increased risk with mRNA "vaccines" and every medical study since Fauci was forcibly retired to show the cause of 10-20% increased death rates to be focuseed on mRNA GMO's?
Increased deaths aren't the only problem but wildly increased multiple cause illnesses wirh permanent injuries. Most especially in young men from 19-24 suggesting an interaction with testosterone.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34921468/
That's what is known as a "survey". There is no actual testing being
performed. Instead, the results of multiple publications are filtered >>>> and tabulated to produce the data for analysis. Access to the entire
report is blocked by a paywall.
"We systematically searched PubMed, Scopus, Web of Science, and Google >>>> Scholar, as well as the medRxiv preprint server, with terms including: >>>> â€SARS-CoV-2’, â€COVID-19’, â€messenger RNA vaccine*’, â€mRNA-1273
vaccine’, â€BNT162 vaccine’, â€myocarditis’, â€pericarditis’, â€stroke’
and â€Myocardial Ischemia’ up to 25 September 2021."
Without access to the original report, I can't determine if the data
was likely to be valid or if it was tweaked to conform to an agenda.
Here's the list of 5 sources along with a list of keywords (supporting >>>> information):
<https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/action/downloadSupplement?doi=10.1002%2Frmv.2318&file=rmv2318-sup-0001-suppl-data.docx>
The survey was published on Dec 17, 2021. Presumably, that data from
the various sources was collect earlier. My GUESS(tm) is at least 6
months earlier and possibly a year earlier. I'll be generous and use
6 months or mid-June 2021. The first vaccines were available for
general consumption in Dec 2020:
"History of COVID-19: Outbreaks and vaccine timeline"
<https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/history-disease-outbreaks-vaccine-timeline/covid-19>
That means that the data used covered Dec 2020 thru June 2021, which
is a 7 month period. That's not too horrible for early research, but
hardly evidence of a problem that affected 100% of those tested.
One of the vaaccines on the second shot had 100% chest pains.
How did you know it was the 2nd shot? It was not mentioned in your
PubMed abstract. Did you pay for the download of the full report?
As a question, why are you arguing about this unless all you want to do is claim that I am wrong?
Frank can answer with his point of view, but that is exactly why I'm
responding. Also, I don't argue. I just provide evidence that your
wrong. If I can't do that, usually do to lack of information, I use
logic and speculation.
With multiple injections the chances of side effects multiply and there is NO detectable protection from covid-19. Even during Fauci's time the papers all showed next to no protection at all from infection with covid-19. And most papers showed NO
Since you like survey reports: (Feb 1, 2023)
"Effect of covid-19 vaccination on long covid: systematic review"
<https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9978692/>
"Current studies suggest that covid-19 vaccines might have protective
and therapeutic effects on long covid. More robust comparative
observational studies and trials are needed, however, to clearly
determine the effectiveness of vaccines in preventing and treating
long covid."
I spent 50 years working on medical devices or laboratory devices designed to detect diseases. Be very sure that you show that as a teacher you know far more about it than I do.
No you didn't. You online resume says otherwise. You spent 30 years
writing code:
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
I need to finish cleaning and waxing my Subaru. Have a nice day.
I never made it to my Subaru. I'll try again tomorrow.
Incidentally, Andrew wanted me to try olive oil instead of wax on my
Subaru. I'll probably try that tomorrow or Monday.
Re Tommy's claims...
"read out" three libraries..."
I recentily did some adding and subtracting and it seems a reasonable
number for a 'HOME TOWN" liberty is about 46,946 books, estimated a
reading time of each. --- 10.25 hours a book = 481,218 hours. If you
read about 4 hours a day that is 120,304 days.
Times 3 library = 360, 912, or "a whole bunch of days".
I did a similar calculation and came to similar results. There's no
way Tom could possibly have "read out" 3 public libraries and a
military library in a reasonable amount of time.
06/07/2022
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/QNPNSofg064/m/Xaamy15iBQAJ> >> "I would warrant that I've read more than 20 times more books than you
have. I read out three public libraries, the military library and all
of the books I used to gain the knowledge to become an engineer."
10/13/2022
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/UjDRFpyNTeg/m/uuKA__SlAQAJ> >> "I read every book in three major libraries and you want to tell me
about books?"
Does Tommy's famous "resume" include that? :-)
Of course not.
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
Tom's resume also doesn't include his alleged employment at several
companies. NASA, Sandia Lab, Sun Microsystems, Lawrence Livermore
National Laboratory, Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, Analog
Devices, ETEC, possibly Diablo Research. He claimed to have attended
Pacific Marine Academy and Chabot College and received a degree in
"navigation" from somewhere.
The bigger question for me is why on Earth someone would even want to
"read out a library?" The vast majority of books in most libraries I
know of are drivel.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On 6/1/2025 8:02 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Learning? Knowledge? Education? Naww... Who needs those things?
The bigger question for me is why on Earth someone would even want to
"read out a library?" The vast majority of books in most libraries I
know of are drivel.
I think our tricyclist has never made it to the nonfiction section of a >library.
On 5/31/2025 10:26 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2025 20:49:21 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
FWIW, I missed the keyboard question and the $10 bill questions.
Most people will recall what's on 1 or 2
addition bills, but have forgotten the others. (No, it's not short
term memory failure).
However, if I do the same party trick with a group of 8 to 11 year
olds, they using get both sides of the bills correct on the first try,
except for the $50 and $100 bills.
Ok, want to speculate on why this happens?
I've got no clue.
In the distant past, I use an analog watch:
<https://www.wikihow.com/Use-an-Analog-Watch-as-a-Compass>
The tricky part is dealing with daylight savings time.
I do know that trick, but never use it these days.
One of my more
satisfying purchases last year was a tiny flat compass that clips
perfectly onto the rear center of my handlebar bag's lid. >https://www.rei.com/product/857612/suunto-clipper-lb-nh-compass
I've proven to myself many times that I have no talent for guessing
which way is north. My notoriously cloudy riding area doesn't help.
But about analog watches: I've always preferred them to digital watches.
I can process the information more quickly. I still treasure the
chronograph (mechanical of course!) my father gave me when I finished my >engineering degree (mechanical of course!). I have had to open it up a
couple times to tune up the chronograph clutch, and I now wear it only
for special occasions, but still wind it every day.
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/30/2025 8:43 AM, AMuzi wrote:
Over here we don't much distinguish (England, Britain, GB and UK)
although we probably ought to.
After I was gently chided by a British friend, I did my best to learn
what each of those terms meant. It's still confusing.
To be honest number of British use them interchangeably and wouldn’t know the differences. And some areas are less in the public eye so folks
knowledge is lacking.
I remember having a conversation with a colleague who was from Ugandan originally who was going though citizenship and that folks knowledge of Ugandan so I asked her to tell me about the Brecon Beacons or the Welsh Valleys, or maybe the Welsh knot? To her credit she accepted that despite living only 2hrs away she had no idea of Wales which as she said was tad embarrassing.
On Sat, 31 May 2025 20:49:21 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/31/2025 5:07 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
The
rest were not hard, mostly because of quirks: I've got a repair project
pending on my side porch steps; I had to align my reflecting ceiling
sundial with due north-south, and learned my house is precisely oriented
that way... etc.
In the distant past, I use an analog watch: <https://www.wikihow.com/Use-an-Analog-Watch-as-a-Compass>
The tricky part is dealing with daylight savings time.
These days, I find a printed paper road map. I locate two points. One
is my own location. The other is an identifiable landmark in the
distance. Mountain peaks work well. Lay the map on a flat table.
Align on the map your location and the distant landmark. True north
is printed on the map as an arrow.
On Sun, 1 Jun 2025 11:24:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/31/2025 10:26 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2025 20:49:21 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
FWIW, I missed the keyboard question and the $10 bill questions.
Most people will recall what's on 1 or 2
addition bills, but have forgotten the others. (No, it's not short
term memory failure).
However, if I do the same party trick with a group of 8 to 11 year
olds, they using get both sides of the bills correct on the first try,
except for the $50 and $100 bills.
Ok, want to speculate on why this happens?
I've got no clue.
Think of money as a symbol: ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_and_His_Symbols>
Just about everything can be used to represent something else. In
this case, money represents responsibility and maybe a complex life
style. The more money one has, the more complexicated one's life
becomes.
The typical 8 to 11 year old doesn't know much about responsibility
and therefore doesn't worry about it much. However, they do know that
paper money can be used to buy things and certainly pays attention to
paper money when it appears. At that age, they also spend
considerable time learning how things work, including paper money. >Eventually, they learn that bigger numbers buy better thinks.
As we get older, we become more involved in using and understanding
money. Initially, we learn that it must be protected or someone will
steal it. As we get older, we learn about interest, banking,
checking, loans, stocks, bonds, etc. That rapidly converts money into
being a symbol of a responsible and complex life. The typical 8 to 11
year old probably doesn't recognize the symbology. Almost every adult >certainly does recognize what money symbolizes.
Kids take everything in. The good, the bad, the simple, the complex,
etc. They are a sponge for information. They can't remember where
they left their jacket or hat, because they're not important to them. >Similarly, the 8 to 11 year olds will leave paper money in strange
places, because they haven't recognized its (symbolic) importance.
Adults are quite the opposite, choosing to hide money from sight,
possibly hiding it in a bank. I can provide more examples if anyone
wants them.
What happened is that the 8 to 11 year olds were not afraid of money,
while adults do their best not to think about money because it
represents a responsible lifestyle to which they're probably not
certain they can tolerate. So, they forget about money and its
symbols. I guess I'm still doing this because I can rarely recall
where I left my checkbook.
I can demonstrate the difference with magazine covers. Perform the
same test I described including the 2 hr delay. Those who failed to
recall the details of the various denomination paper money will do
much better with something that doesn't symbolize something that
they're not quite prepared to deal with.
In the distant past, I use an analog watch:
<https://www.wikihow.com/Use-an-Analog-Watch-as-a-Compass>
The tricky part is dealing with daylight savings time.
I do know that trick, but never use it these days.
It has the advantage of working anywhere, without the need carry an >"instrument". When hiking, I like to travel light.
One of my more
satisfying purchases last year was a tiny flat compass that clips
perfectly onto the rear center of my handlebar bag's lid. >>https://www.rei.com/product/857612/suunto-clipper-lb-nh-compass
<https://www.suunto.com/Products/Compasses/Suunto-Clipper/Suunto-Clipper-LB-NH-Compass/>
1.2 inch diameter. Luminescent dial and fluid filled (waterproof).
Good enough for most uses.
Have you tested it for accuracy? I've found the very small diameter >compasses to be very inaccurate. I prefer the somewhat larger
diameter hiking compasses: ><https://www.google.com/search?q=compass%20parts&udm=2>
The larger diameter oil filled marine compasses are much better, but
are unfortunately unsuitable for hiking and bicycle riding: ><https://www.google.com/search?q=marine%20compass&num=10&udm=2>
I've proven to myself many times that I have no talent for guessing
which way is north. My notoriously cloudy riding area doesn't help.
But about analog watches: I've always preferred them to digital watches.
I can process the information more quickly. I still treasure the >>chronograph (mechanical of course!) my father gave me when I finished my >>engineering degree (mechanical of course!). I have had to open it up a >>couple times to tune up the chronograph clutch, and I now wear it only
for special occasions, but still wind it every day.
I've never owned a chronograph. I still have a rather expensive Cyma
wind-up watch. I started wearing watches when the LED digital watches
first appeared in about 1972. My employer at the time (Alpha
Electronics) manufactured ceramic hybrid watch modules. I still have
one, although it doesn't work. I gave up on wearing a watch when I
bought a Motorola StarTac flip phone in 1997(?) which provided a built
in clock.
On 5/31/2025 10:26 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2025 20:49:21 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
FWIW, I missed the keyboard question and the $10 bill questions.
Most people will recall what's on 1 or 2
addition bills, but have forgotten the others. (No, it's not short
term memory failure).
However, if I do the same party trick with a group of 8 to 11 year
olds, they using get both sides of the bills correct on the first try,
except for the $50 and $100 bills.
Ok, want to speculate on why this happens?
I've got no clue.
In the distant past, I use an analog watch:
<https://www.wikihow.com/Use-an-Analog-Watch-as-a-Compass>
The tricky part is dealing with daylight savings time.
I do know that trick, but never use it these days. One of my more
satisfying purchases last year was a tiny flat compass that clips
perfectly onto the rear center of my handlebar bag's lid. >https://www.rei.com/product/857612/suunto-clipper-lb-nh-compass
I've proven to myself many times that I have no talent for guessing
which way is north. My notoriously cloudy riding area doesn't help.
But about analog watches: I've always preferred them to digital watches.
I can process the information more quickly. I still treasure the
chronograph (mechanical of course!) my father gave me when I finished my >engineering degree (mechanical of course!). I have had to open it up a
couple times to tune up the chronograph clutch, and I now wear it only
for special occasions, but still wind it every day.
On 5/31/2025 3:41 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Fri May 30 13:27:04 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/30/2025 11:19 AM, cyclintom wrote:
... we now know that 74% of people taking the vaccine sufferedheart damage ...
permanent
Fascinating! And your source for that factoid is ... ???
Frank, it is very difficult to discover the actual paper ...
Because it doesn't exist, and never did. You pulled your WAG out of the
usual orifice.
 As a question, why are you arguing about this unless all you want to
do is claim that I am wrong?
Like several people here, I _do_ want to point out that your are wrong.
Part of my motivation is to reduce the likelihood that some naive reader
will actually believe you. You consistently try to spread nonsense. Your posts are harmful to society.
I spent 50 years working on medical devices or laboratory devices
designed to detect diseases. Be very sure that you show that as a
teacher you know far more about it than I do.
From what we can tell, you once programmed motion control in a tabletop instrument to squirt drops of liquid into an array of test tubes. You've
also claimed to have installed telephone systems, designed critical communications equipment for space operations and other probably
imaginary projects, which means you didn't put a solid 50 years into
medical equipment. You've never given evidence of any great medical knowledge, and almost daily you post plenty of evidence that you don't
know your ass from your elbow regarding medicine, economics, history,
bike mechanics and more.
Back to your 74% claim: Post a link to a legitimate reference source or
shut up.
On Sun, 01 Jun 2025 12:40:20 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 1 Jun 2025 11:24:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/31/2025 10:26 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2025 20:49:21 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
FWIW, I missed the keyboard question and the $10 bill questions.
Most people will recall what's on 1 or 2
addition bills, but have forgotten the others. (No, it's not short
term memory failure).
However, if I do the same party trick with a group of 8 to 11 year
olds, they using get both sides of the bills correct on the first try, >>>> except for the $50 and $100 bills.
Ok, want to speculate on why this happens?
I've got no clue.
Think of money as a symbol: >><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_and_His_Symbols>
Just about everything can be used to represent something else. In
this case, money represents responsibility and maybe a complex life
style. The more money one has, the more complexicated one's life
becomes.
The typical 8 to 11 year old doesn't know much about responsibility
and therefore doesn't worry about it much. However, they do know that >>paper money can be used to buy things and certainly pays attention to
paper money when it appears. At that age, they also spend
considerable time learning how things work, including paper money. >>Eventually, they learn that bigger numbers buy better thinks.
As we get older, we become more involved in using and understanding
money. Initially, we learn that it must be protected or someone will
steal it. As we get older, we learn about interest, banking,
checking, loans, stocks, bonds, etc. That rapidly converts money into >>being a symbol of a responsible and complex life. The typical 8 to 11
year old probably doesn't recognize the symbology. Almost every adult >>certainly does recognize what money symbolizes.
Kids take everything in. The good, the bad, the simple, the complex,
etc. They are a sponge for information. They can't remember where
they left their jacket or hat, because they're not important to them. >>Similarly, the 8 to 11 year olds will leave paper money in strange
places, because they haven't recognized its (symbolic) importance.
Adults are quite the opposite, choosing to hide money from sight,
possibly hiding it in a bank. I can provide more examples if anyone
wants them.
What happened is that the 8 to 11 year olds were not afraid of money,
while adults do their best not to think about money because it
represents a responsible lifestyle to which they're probably not
certain they can tolerate. So, they forget about money and its
symbols. I guess I'm still doing this because I can rarely recall
where I left my checkbook.
I can demonstrate the difference with magazine covers. Perform the
same test I described including the 2 hr delay. Those who failed to
recall the details of the various denomination paper money will do
much better with something that doesn't symbolize something that
they're not quite prepared to deal with.
In the distant past, I use an analog watch:
<https://www.wikihow.com/Use-an-Analog-Watch-as-a-Compass>
The tricky part is dealing with daylight savings time.
I do know that trick, but never use it these days.
It has the advantage of working anywhere, without the need carry an >>"instrument". When hiking, I like to travel light.
One of my more1.2 inch diameter. Luminescent dial and fluid filled (waterproof).
satisfying purchases last year was a tiny flat compass that clips >>>perfectly onto the rear center of my handlebar bag's lid. >>>https://www.rei.com/product/857612/suunto-clipper-lb-nh-compass
<https://www.suunto.com/Products/Compasses/Suunto-Clipper/Suunto-Clipper-LB-NH-Compass/>
Good enough for most uses.
Have you tested it for accuracy? I've found the very small diameter >>compasses to be very inaccurate. I prefer the somewhat larger
diameter hiking compasses: >><https://www.google.com/search?q=compass%20parts&udm=2>
The larger diameter oil filled marine compasses are much better, but
are unfortunately unsuitable for hiking and bicycle riding: >><https://www.google.com/search?q=marine%20compass&num=10&udm=2>
I've proven to myself many times that I have no talent for guessing
which way is north. My notoriously cloudy riding area doesn't help.
But about analog watches: I've always preferred them to digital watches. >>>I can process the information more quickly. I still treasure the >>>chronograph (mechanical of course!) my father gave me when I finished my >>>engineering degree (mechanical of course!). I have had to open it up a >>>couple times to tune up the chronograph clutch, and I now wear it only >>>for special occasions, but still wind it every day.
I've never owned a chronograph. I still have a rather expensive Cyma >>wind-up watch. I started wearing watches when the LED digital watches >>first appeared in about 1972. My employer at the time (Alpha
Electronics) manufactured ceramic hybrid watch modules. I still have
one, although it doesn't work. I gave up on wearing a watch when I
bought a Motorola StarTac flip phone in 1997(?) which provided a built
in clock.
Wouldn't it be easier to just wear a watch with GPS and a compass?
On Mon, 02 Jun 2025 05:54:29 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Sun, 01 Jun 2025 12:40:20 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> >>wrote:
On Sun, 1 Jun 2025 11:24:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski >>><frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/31/2025 10:26 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2025 20:49:21 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
FWIW, I missed the keyboard question and the $10 bill questions.
Most people will recall what's on 1 or 2
addition bills, but have forgotten the others. (No, it's not short
term memory failure).
However, if I do the same party trick with a group of 8 to 11 year
olds, they using get both sides of the bills correct on the first try, >>>>> except for the $50 and $100 bills.
Ok, want to speculate on why this happens?
I've got no clue.
Think of money as a symbol: >>><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_and_His_Symbols>
Just about everything can be used to represent something else. In
this case, money represents responsibility and maybe a complex life >>>style. The more money one has, the more complexicated one's life >>>becomes.
The typical 8 to 11 year old doesn't know much about responsibility
and therefore doesn't worry about it much. However, they do know that >>>paper money can be used to buy things and certainly pays attention to >>>paper money when it appears. At that age, they also spend
considerable time learning how things work, including paper money. >>>Eventually, they learn that bigger numbers buy better thinks.
As we get older, we become more involved in using and understanding >>>money. Initially, we learn that it must be protected or someone will >>>steal it. As we get older, we learn about interest, banking,
checking, loans, stocks, bonds, etc. That rapidly converts money into >>>being a symbol of a responsible and complex life. The typical 8 to 11 >>>year old probably doesn't recognize the symbology. Almost every adult >>>certainly does recognize what money symbolizes.
Kids take everything in. The good, the bad, the simple, the complex, >>>etc. They are a sponge for information. They can't remember where
they left their jacket or hat, because they're not important to them. >>>Similarly, the 8 to 11 year olds will leave paper money in strange >>>places, because they haven't recognized its (symbolic) importance.
Adults are quite the opposite, choosing to hide money from sight, >>>possibly hiding it in a bank. I can provide more examples if anyone >>>wants them.
What happened is that the 8 to 11 year olds were not afraid of money, >>>while adults do their best not to think about money because it
represents a responsible lifestyle to which they're probably not
certain they can tolerate. So, they forget about money and its
symbols. I guess I'm still doing this because I can rarely recall
where I left my checkbook.
I can demonstrate the difference with magazine covers. Perform the
same test I described including the 2 hr delay. Those who failed to >>>recall the details of the various denomination paper money will do
much better with something that doesn't symbolize something that
they're not quite prepared to deal with.
In the distant past, I use an analog watch:
<https://www.wikihow.com/Use-an-Analog-Watch-as-a-Compass>
The tricky part is dealing with daylight savings time.
I do know that trick, but never use it these days.
It has the advantage of working anywhere, without the need carry an >>>"instrument". When hiking, I like to travel light.
One of my more1.2 inch diameter. Luminescent dial and fluid filled (waterproof).
satisfying purchases last year was a tiny flat compass that clips >>>>perfectly onto the rear center of my handlebar bag's lid. >>>>https://www.rei.com/product/857612/suunto-clipper-lb-nh-compass
<https://www.suunto.com/Products/Compasses/Suunto-Clipper/Suunto-Clipper-LB-NH-Compass/>
Good enough for most uses.
Have you tested it for accuracy? I've found the very small diameter >>>compasses to be very inaccurate. I prefer the somewhat larger
diameter hiking compasses: >>><https://www.google.com/search?q=compass%20parts&udm=2>
The larger diameter oil filled marine compasses are much better, but
are unfortunately unsuitable for hiking and bicycle riding: >>><https://www.google.com/search?q=marine%20compass&num=10&udm=2>
I've proven to myself many times that I have no talent for guessing >>>>which way is north. My notoriously cloudy riding area doesn't help.
But about analog watches: I've always preferred them to digital watches. >>>>I can process the information more quickly. I still treasure the >>>>chronograph (mechanical of course!) my father gave me when I finished my >>>>engineering degree (mechanical of course!). I have had to open it up a >>>>couple times to tune up the chronograph clutch, and I now wear it only >>>>for special occasions, but still wind it every day.
I've never owned a chronograph. I still have a rather expensive Cyma >>>wind-up watch. I started wearing watches when the LED digital watches >>>first appeared in about 1972. My employer at the time (Alpha >>>Electronics) manufactured ceramic hybrid watch modules. I still have >>>one, although it doesn't work. I gave up on wearing a watch when I >>>bought a Motorola StarTac flip phone in 1997(?) which provided a built
in clock.
Wouldn't it be easier to just wear a watch with GPS and a compass?
That would depend on what was available over the past 50 years.
Technology that is commonly available today, didn't exist when just
about everyone was wearing analog watches. This might have worked if
I was willing to tow it in a bicycle trailer: ><http://leapsecond.com/pages/atomic-bill/>
Steve Roberts had the right idea, but was probably too far ahead of
the available technology for the 1980's:
<https://microship.com/bikes/> ><https://nomadicresearchlabs.substack.com/p/the-first-digital-nomad> ><https://www.google.com/search?q=satellite%20roberts%20on%20bicycle&udm=2>
There are also wearable computers: ><https://www.google.com/search?q=wearable%20computers&udm=2>
Am 01.06.2025 um 04:26 schrieb Jeff Liebermann:
On Sat, 31 May 2025 20:49:21 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/31/2025 5:07 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
The
rest were not hard, mostly because of quirks: I've got a repair project
pending on my side porch steps; I had to align my reflecting ceiling
sundial with due north-south, and learned my house is precisely oriented >>> that way... etc.
In the distant past, I use an analog watch:
<https://www.wikihow.com/Use-an-Analog-Watch-as-a-Compass>
The tricky part is dealing with daylight savings time.
These days, I find a printed paper road map. I locate two points. One
is my own location. The other is an identifiable landmark in the
distance. Mountain peaks work well. Lay the map on a flat table.
Align on the map your location and the distant landmark. True north
is printed on the map as an arrow.
In my region, we have several north-south lines as features:
Directly south of Heidelberg, the hill edges, the old Roman road, the
railway line and the motorway are all parallel North-south lines.
The Rhine from Speyer to Mannheim flow due North though not exactly
straight.
<https://maps.app.goo.gl/Y3gegeDExwwv6rTg6>
At bit further to the North, the motorway A67 goes perfectly to the
North for 25km.
On a grander scale, the Rhine Rift Valley goes in a straight line >North-to-Northwest 200km (125 miles) from Basel to Bruchsal (with edges: >black Forest and Vosges in France) and then heads straight North for--
another 50 miles from Bruchsal towards the end at Frankfurt / Mainz (the >Odenwald as eastern edge gives a good North-South approximation, the
western edge is less sharp).
Rolf
On 6/2/2025 12:41 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Steve Roberts had the right idea, but was probably too far ahead of
the available technology for the 1980's:
<https://microship.com/bikes/>
<https://nomadicresearchlabs.substack.com/p/the-first-digital-nomad>
<https://www.google.com/search?q=satellite%20roberts%20on%20bicycle&udm=2>
I remember reading about him back in the day. Aside from the amazing
level of electronic technology, I was amazed by his typing system. As I >recall, his handlebars had far fewer keys than a standard computer
keyboard. He typed as he rode by hitting multiple keys to represent each >letter he wanted to type.
Learning to type on a different type of keyboard, such as European or
Dvorak, is difficult enough. >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvorak_keyboard_layout >https://www.farah.cl/Keyboardery/A-Visual-Comparison-of-Different-National-Layouts/#da
Learning to type on Roberts' system must have been like learning to play
a musical instrument designed by an outer space alien.
Am 31.05.2025 um 14:18 schrieb Roger Merriman:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 5/30/2025 8:43 AM, AMuzi wrote:
Over here we don't much distinguish (England, Britain, GB and UK)
although we probably ought to.
After I was gently chided by a British friend, I did my best to learn
what each of those terms meant. It's still confusing.
To be honest number of British use them interchangeably and wouldn’t know >> the differences. And some areas are less in the public eye so folks
knowledge is lacking.
I remember having a conversation with a colleague who was from Ugandan
originally who was going though citizenship and that folks knowledge of
Ugandan so I asked her to tell me about the Brecon Beacons or the Welsh
Valleys, or maybe the Welsh knot? To her credit she accepted that despite
living only 2hrs away she had no idea of Wales which as she said was tad
embarrassing.
In university, I shared an apartment with a guy whose granma was from Llandeilo, this was enough to put the valleys and the Brecon Beacons as
names onto my mental map of the UK despite living on the other end of
the country ;-)
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
At the local supermarket, food prices have been dropping like rocks. Take
for instance, wine, Apothic red mixes just scant weeks ago were showing
$16.99 reduced to $10.99. Now, the same thing is $10.99 reduced to $6.99.
Bread is almost back to pre-Biden. I'm telling you, those tariffs are
really killing us. Certainly not everything has gone down but I'm
assuming that they soon will.
I am not really convinced the examples you gave are driven by tariff
changes nor out of country supply changes.. Sounds like mostly lical stuff you listed. Apothic for instance is a California made brand.
And I think you might mean pre Covid prices, not pre Biden.
What about real estate, especially new construction prices? Are they down
in your area?
Not that it matters but I’m real curious…
is there any way you could report on all these food and real estate construction sales price and whether they change in a year?
Totally because I am just curious, no other reason.
On Fri, 30 May 2025 15:19:11 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Thu May 29 19:19:22 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 30 May 2025 01:48:47 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Even in the new world colonies they had 10,000 british troops stationed >>50,000 is more closer to the mark than 10,000.
"The British Army and the War of Independence"
<https://academic.oup.com/edited-volume/34530/chapter-abstract/292941888> >> "At its peak, the British army in North America had approximately
50,000 officers and men, constituting the largest expeditionary force
sent overseas by any British governments."
However, there's a problem. All 50,000 were not British. Here's a
source that claims 30,000 were Hessians and 25,000 were Americans
fighting in "provincial" regiments.
"The British Army in the American Revolution"
<https://www.battlefields.org/learn/articles/british-army-american-revolution>
Since the total is over 50,000, all the numbers are likely to be
exaggerated.
hey were forcing the colonists to house and feed these troops. People that talk about history as if they understand it when they read a kindergarten book about it should learn actual facts.
Facts? Where did you get your numbers? Or did you just invent them
of the occasion.
When I said that I read out 3 libraries of all of their non-fiction did you think that books written about the revolution written in 1850 weren't closer to the facts? Perhaps you should stick with the CNN version.
What book about the American Revolution was written in 1850 that was
"closer to the facts"? I'm curious.
You have a faulty memory. Your original claim did not include the
"non-fiction" clause, which you added fairly recently. This is your
earliest mention of libraries that I could find:
06/07/2022
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/QNPNSofg064/m/Xaamy15iBQAJ>
"I would warrant that I've read more than 20 times more books than you
have. I read out three public libraries, the military library and all
of the books I used to gain the knowledge to become an engineer."
Liebermann and his magic Google picks a site that doesn't mention the real problem - that British soldiers were expexted to be fed and housed by American families. There isn't anything that the failure cannot argue about.
The real problem is that Tom rarely addresses the topic at hand.
Instead, he either changes the topic to something with which he is
allegedly familiar or invents amazing facts and figures to fill in the
blanks in his faultless memory. I was addressing the problem that you
(Tom) claimed that there were only 10,000 British troops in its
original colonies, instead of the approximately 50,000 troops that
various sources mention.
After SAYING that the Covid-19 vaccine did him no harm
"First do no harm" (Hippocrates). The doctors and big pharma did
their jobs. No harm was done.
and we now know that 74% of people taking the vaccine suffered permanent heart damage
Show me a reputable source that makes that claim and I might begin to
believe you. As it stands, you pretend to be an authority on
everything, which is inconsistent with the manure that you're
spreading.
it really sounds good him telling us that he didn't get the vaccine because I said not to.
Huh? I mentioned getting Pfizer vaccinated every time I was
vaccinated or every time you repetitiously asked for exactly the same information. Want me to email a copy suitable for framing?
04/03/2021
05/01/2021
12/03/2021
04/06/2022
10/05/2022
11/18/2023
09/16/2024
So why did he say at the time that he was getting it because I warned people not toL?
I never said that. Were you keeping score? Did anyone follow your
warning and heed your advice?
Now pinhead is talking about the British Army as if they weren't the British Army because a percentage of them were Hessians (Germans).
Nice of you to mention what I was talking about. Too bad it's wrong
(and contrived) as usual. Keep trying.
The little boy was broght up as a freak and he never found it better to act sane.
Your traditional belittling comment was suppose to be at the beginning
of your message, not the end. This might help you recognize the
difference:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=head%20up%20ass&udm=2>
Short walk/hike today. Everyone had something important to do after
the walk.
<https://www.strava.com/activities/14642975955>
Watching 7 goslings mow the lawn was fun.
On 5/26/2025 2:39 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:pre-Biden. I'm telling you, those tariffs are really killing us. Certainly not everything has gone down but I'm assuming that they soon will.
On Mon, 26 May 2025 13:18:49 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/26/2025 12:34 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 26 May 2025 17:24:06 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun May 25 18:28:31 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 25 May 2025 20:07:33 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
At the local supermarket, food prices have been dropping like rocks. Take for instance, wine, Apothic red mixes just scant weeks ago were showing $16.99 reduced to $10.99. Now, the same thing is $10.99 reduced to $6.99. Bread is almost back to
So an increase in taxes lowered prices?
Sounds like raising taxes is a good idea, then, and everything >>>>> I learned about economy was wrong.
[]'s
PS Maybe not for you. You can't drink alcohol. Read the
absolute contraindications of your meds.
Where were taxes raised?
A tariff is a tax on imported goods. The importer pays the tax, which >>> is then passed on to distributors, dealers, and eventually individual
buyers.
Mr Kunich's chosen plonk (Apothic) is domestic.
Thanks. The importer or distributor probably does not pass on their increased tariff costs by individual items. The distributor probably
also sells foreign wines that are subject to tariff taxation. My
guess(tm) is that the distributor will pass on a single uniform
percentage price increase across their entire wine inventory because
it's easier to administer. If we see the price of domestic wines
increase along with imported wines, that's a likely cause.
There have been price drops on domestically produced alcohol for a good reason - the export market has 'dried' up largely due to Canadian trade sanctions which constitute a significant portion of US exports. From
there it's a simple application of the laws of supply and demand.
Apothic is one of our favorite vineyards (we hold Michael David as our
top pick). Both are Nor Cal wineries (Modesto and Lodi) that until
trumps latest temper tantrum had a substantial Canadian market. Until
the orange man-child decided to wage economic war on our closest ally,
Canada was the signal largest US wine export market but a significant
margin.
No more...
https://www.decanter.com/wine-news/trumps-us-tariffs-may-raise-prices-warns-eu-wine-body-554002/
"Wine Institute president and CEO Robert P. Koch said, ?Today?s
announcement of new tariffs will only make it harder for American
wineries to regain access to Canada, by far our most important export
market. In early March, Canada cleared its shelves of all U.S. wine and continues to block its sale.? "
https://www.sommelierindia.com/u-s-wineries-recoil-from-canadian-tariffs/
It's no wonder there is a significant drop in Apothic prices. While good
for the consumer in the short term, it's devastating to the US wine
industry.
Wines are not alone.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/kentucky-bourbon-exports-risk-trump-canada-trade-tensions/story?id=121530023
"Kentucky's bourbon industry faces potential devastation as President
Donald Trump's latest tariff dispute with Canada threatens to halt $43 million in annual whiskey exports. "
https://www.lcbo.com/content/lcbo/en/corporate-pages/lcbo-response-to-u-s--tariffs--q-a.html
"How long will these restrictions last??
U.S. products are no longer available for purchase until the LCBO is
directed by the government to resume normal business. ?
Can I get U.S. products from other licensed retailers??
Wholesale customers, including grocery and convenience stores, bars, restaurants, and other retailers, are no longer able to place orders of
U.S. products. It is at their discretion to sell existing inventory.?"
We've seen a drop in bourbon prices locally - Law of supply and demand.
Good for us US consumers in the short term, but costing US jobs and
driving prices up in the long term. Idiots like kunich will try to blame
this on fictitious tableaus of Biden DEI policies.
On Fri, 30 May 2025 10:18:12 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
https://www.decanter.com/wine-news/trumps-us-tariffs-may-raise-prices-warns-eu-wine-body-554002/
Thanks for the details. I didn't even think about the Canadian wine
market. From the above article:
"It said Canada had already barred US wines in response to previously-announced US tariffs. Canada accounted for 35% of US wine
exports prior to this, with a retail value of more than $1.1bn."
Gone for my ritual Friday morning trudge in a local park. Forecast temperature of 94F (34.4C) today. I don't feel so wonderful this
morning which will probably result in a flat or abbreviated hike.
On 5/30/2025 9:18 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 5/26/2025 2:39 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 26 May 2025 13:18:49 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 5/26/2025 12:34 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 26 May 2025 17:24:06 GMT, cyclintom
<cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun May 25 18:28:31 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 25 May 2025 20:07:33 GMT, cyclintom
<cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
At the local supermarket, food prices have been
dropping like rocks. Take for instance, wine, Apothic
red mixes just scant weeks ago were showing $16.99
reduced to $10.99. Now, the same thing is $10.99
reduced to $6.99. Bread is almost back to pre-Biden.
I'm telling you, those tariffs are really killing us.
Certainly not everything has gone down but I'm
assuming that they soon will.
So an increase in taxes lowered prices?
Sounds like raising taxes is a good idea, then,
and everything
I learned about economy was wrong.
[]'s
PS Maybe not for you. You can't drink alcohol.
Read the
absolute contraindications of your meds.
Where were taxes raised?
A tariff is a tax on imported goods. The importer pays
the tax, which
is then passed on to distributors, dealers, and
eventually individual
buyers.
Mr Kunich's chosen plonk (Apothic) is domestic.
Thanks. The importer or distributor probably does not
pass on their
increased tariff costs by individual items. The
distributor probably
also sells foreign wines that are subject to tariff
taxation. My
guess(tm) is that the distributor will pass on a single
uniform
percentage price increase across their entire wine
inventory because
it's easier to administer. If we see the price of
domestic wines
increase along with imported wines, that's a likely cause.
There have been price drops on domestically produced alcohol
for a good reason - the export market has 'dried' up largely
due to Canadian trade sanctions which constitute a
significant portion of US exports. From there it's a simple
application of the laws of supply and demand.
Apothic is one of our favorite vineyards (we hold Michael
David as our top pick). Both are Nor Cal wineries (Modesto
and Lodi) that until trumps latest temper tantrum had a
substantial Canadian market. Until the orange man-child
decided to wage economic war on our closest ally, Canada was
the signal largest US wine export market but a significant
margin.
No more...
https://www.decanter.com/wine-news/trumps-us-tariffs-may- raise-prices-warns-eu-wine-body-554002/
"Wine Institute president and CEO Robert P. Koch said,
?Today?s announcement of new tariffs will only make it
harder for American wineries to regain access to Canada, by
far our most important export market. In early March, Canada
cleared its shelves of all U.S. wine and continues to block
its sale.? "
https://www.sommelierindia.com/u-s-wineries-recoil-from-
canadian-tariffs/
It's no wonder there is a significant drop in Apothic
prices. While good for the consumer in the short term, it's
devastating to the US wine industry.
Wines are not alone.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/kentucky-bourbon-exports- risk-trump-canada-trade-tensions/story?id=121530023
"Kentucky's bourbon industry faces potential devastation as
President Donald Trump's latest tariff dispute with Canada
threatens to halt $43 million in annual whiskey exports. "
https://www.lcbo.com/content/lcbo/en/corporate-pages/lcbo- response-to-u-s--tariffs--q-a.html
"How long will these restrictions last??
U.S. products are no longer available for purchase until the
LCBO is directed by the government to resume normal
business. ?
Can I get U.S. products from other licensed retailers??
Wholesale customers, including grocery and convenience
stores, bars, restaurants, and other retailers, are no
longer able to place orders of U.S. products. It is at their
discretion to sell existing inventory.?"
We've seen a drop in bourbon prices locally - Law of supply
and demand. Good for us US consumers in the short term, but
costing US jobs and driving prices up in the long term.
Idiots like kunich will try to blame this on fictitious
tableaus of Biden DEI policies.
Not only. Around here, half our fuels come down from Canada,
the remainder from Oklahoma and the Gulf. Prolonged
disruption will affect Wisconsin and Minnesota prices more
than Illinois and Iowa.
Oh snivel, smivel, "The man who was successful when I cuuldn't even find a job does things I csnnot defend so I hate hin".
Liebermann, did you ever actually get a US citizenship?
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
At the local supermarket, food prices have been dropping like rocks. Take for instance, wine, Apothic red mixes just scant weeks ago were showing $16.99 reduced to $10.99. Now, the same thing is $10.99 reduced to $6.99. Bread is almost back to pre-Biden. I'm telling you, those tariffs are really killing us. Certainly not everything has gone down but I'm
assuming that they soon will.
I am not really convinced the examples you gave are driven by tariff
changes nor out of country supply changes.. Sounds like mostly lical stuff you listed. Apothic for instance is a California made brand.
And I think you might mean pre Covid prices, not pre Biden.
What about real estate, especially new construction prices? Are they down
in your area?
Not that it matters but I?m real curious?
is there any way you could report on all these food and real estate construction sales price and whether they change in a year?
Totally because I am just curious, no other reason.
This is California.They make it so difficult to get permits to build that only half a dozen reconstruction permits have been issue
On Fri, 30 May 2025 01:36:58 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Brazikl has had open borders for a long time and is falling apart.
The "USkA" has closed borders and unemployment is soaring.
It's falling apart. Check the figures on serious economy sites.
Buy as much cheap plonk as you can before they all go
bankrupt.
That you would call CNN right wing tells us your politics in a nutshell.
I'm centrist.
BTW, our GNP has increased every year since President Lula was
elected. Unemployment is down and salaries are up. Good news, yes? Not
to CNN.
CNN supported (and supports) Bolsonaro, a right wing fascist.
What does that make them? Communists?
On 5/30/2025 12:26 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Fri May 30 07:33:54 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 5/29/2025 8:36 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Wed May 28 19:54:46 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2025 20:40:12 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
Hell, you just told us that Trump is raising taxes when he is dropping them.
That's good news, if the tax cuts are for the working class
and pensioners(AKA consumers ).
Sources? I saw nothing in the news.
So much on your information via CNN.
We don't trust far-right wing media like CNN in Brazil. So
very few people watch it.
https://apnews.com/article/tax-cuts-jobs-act-trump-treasury-agenda-f4031196e0d69d0a1630e3b06b6d3cd7
Only someone missing a brain would believe that ANY general tax cut wouldn't effect those paying the most in taxes. Do you suppose that retired people on limited incomes would end up with more money in the bank?
Brazikl has had open borders for a long time and is falling apart. That you would call CNN right wing tells us your politics in a nutshell.
WTF?
Brasil has experienced net _emigration_ for a good long while:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1392875/migration-rate-brazil/
govern a mass of people all with different languages and ideas of how to live?Andrew, there are plenty of Portuguese and Venezueloanns that think that Brazil is heaven on Earth in comparison to their own countries. The problem isn't with migration rates but the tribalism that occurs with open borders. How do you propose to
Look around you and tell me how that works.
On Fri, 30 May 2025 17:26:15 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri May 30 07:33:54 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 5/29/2025 8:36 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Wed May 28 19:54:46 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2025 20:40:12 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
Hell, you just told us that Trump is raising taxes when he is dropping them.
That's good news, if the tax cuts are for the working class
and pensioners(AKA consumers ).
Sources? I saw nothing in the news.
So much on your information via CNN.
We don't trust far-right wing media like CNN in Brazil. So
very few people watch it.
https://apnews.com/article/tax-cuts-jobs-act-trump-treasury-agenda-f4031196e0d69d0a1630e3b06b6d3cd7
Only someone missing a brain would believe that ANY general tax cut wouldn't effect those paying the most in taxes. Do you suppose that retired people on limited incomes would end up with more money in the bank?
Brazikl has had open borders for a long time and is falling apart. That you would call CNN right wing tells us your politics in a nutshell.
WTF?
Brasil has experienced net _emigration_ for a good long while:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1392875/migration-rate-brazil/
govern a mass of people all with different languages and ideas of how to live?Andrew, there are plenty of Portuguese and Venezueloanns that think that Brazil is heaven on Earth in comparison to their own countries. The problem isn't with migration rates but the tribalism that occurs with open borders. How do you propose to
Portugal is paradise compared to Brazil. And Venezuela has a
higher HDI (standard of living) than we do. Look it up. The problem
ATM are Argentineans, fleeing their country and looking for employment
here. There are REAL engineers accepting jobs cleaning public toilets.
I feel sorry for them until I remember that they voted for a fascist government.
In re olive oil on weathered finishes, that's a suggestion I
found in a web search when you first mentioned the issue. I
have no idea but it doesn't seem unreasonable.
On 6/1/2025 7:02 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:that. You, like most teachers want others to do your thinking for you.
On Sat, 31 May 2025 18:46:27 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2025 17:48:38 -0700, John B.
<jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2025 13:45:06 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> >>> wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2025 19:41:34 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri May 30 13:27:04 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/30/2025 11:19 AM, cyclintom wrote:
... we now know that 74% of people taking the vaccine suffered permanentheart damage ...
Fascinating! And your source for that factoid is ... ???
Frank, it is very difficult to discover the actual paper since Fauci made sure that side effects were blamed almost entirelu on Covid-19 rather than the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines. you have to look for it and you have no intensions of doing
side effects from contracting the disease and getting well from it. Everyone that had "long covid" had been given the jab.
How is it possible for every "study" out of the FDA to claim no increased risk with mRNA "vaccines" and every medical study since Fauci was forcibly retired to show the cause of 10-20% increased death rates to be focuseed on mRNA GMO's?
Increased deaths aren't the only problem but wildly increased multiple cause illnesses wirh permanent injuries. Most especially in young men from 19-24 suggesting an interaction with testosterone.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34921468/
That's what is known as a "survey". There is no actual testing being >>>> performed. Instead, the results of multiple publications are filtered >>>> and tabulated to produce the data for analysis. Access to the entire >>>> report is blocked by a paywall.
"We systematically searched PubMed, Scopus, Web of Science, and Google >>>> Scholar, as well as the medRxiv preprint server, with terms including: >>>> ?SARS-CoV-2?, ?COVID-19?, ?messenger RNA vaccine*?, ?mRNA-1273
vaccine?, ?BNT162 vaccine?, ?myocarditis?, ?pericarditis?, ?stroke?
and ?Myocardial Ischemia? up to 25 September 2021."
Without access to the original report, I can't determine if the data >>>> was likely to be valid or if it was tweaked to conform to an agenda. >>>> Here's the list of 5 sources along with a list of keywords (supporting >>>> information):
<https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/action/downloadSupplement?doi=10.1002%2Frmv.2318&file=rmv2318-sup-0001-suppl-data.docx>
The survey was published on Dec 17, 2021. Presumably, that data from >>>> the various sources was collect earlier. My GUESS(tm) is at least 6 >>>> months earlier and possibly a year earlier. I'll be generous and use >>>> 6 months or mid-June 2021. The first vaccines were available for
general consumption in Dec 2020:
"History of COVID-19: Outbreaks and vaccine timeline"
<https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/history-disease-outbreaks-vaccine-timeline/covid-19>
That means that the data used covered Dec 2020 thru June 2021, which >>>> is a 7 month period. That's not too horrible for early research, but >>>> hardly evidence of a problem that affected 100% of those tested.
One of the vaaccines on the second shot had 100% chest pains.
How did you know it was the 2nd shot? It was not mentioned in your
PubMed abstract. Did you pay for the download of the full report?
As a question, why are you arguing about this unless all you want to do is claim that I am wrong?
Frank can answer with his point of view, but that is exactly why I'm >>>> responding. Also, I don't argue. I just provide evidence that your >>>> wrong. If I can't do that, usually do to lack of information, I use >>>> logic and speculation.
With multiple injections the chances of side effects multiply and there is NO detectable protection from covid-19. Even during Fauci's time the papers all showed next to no protection at all from infection with covid-19. And most papers showed NO
Since you like survey reports: (Feb 1, 2023)
"Effect of covid-19 vaccination on long covid: systematic review"
<https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9978692/>
"Current studies suggest that covid-19 vaccines might have protective >>>> and therapeutic effects on long covid. More robust comparative
observational studies and trials are needed, however, to clearly
determine the effectiveness of vaccines in preventing and treating
long covid."
I spent 50 years working on medical devices or laboratory devices designed to detect diseases. Be very sure that you show that as a teacher you know far more about it than I do.
No you didn't. You online resume says otherwise. You spent 30 years >>>> writing code:
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
I need to finish cleaning and waxing my Subaru. Have a nice day.
I never made it to my Subaru. I'll try again tomorrow.
Incidentally, Andrew wanted me to try olive oil instead of wax on my
Subaru. I'll probably try that tomorrow or Monday.
Re Tommy's claims...
"read out" three libraries..."
I recentily did some adding and subtracting and it seems a reasonable
number for a 'HOME TOWN" liberty is about 46,946 books, estimated a
reading time of each. --- 10.25 hours a book = 481,218 hours. If you
read about 4 hours a day that is 120,304 days.
Times 3 library = 360, 912, or "a whole bunch of days".
I did a similar calculation and came to similar results. There's no
way Tom could possibly have "read out" 3 public libraries and a
military library in a reasonable amount of time.
06/07/2022
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/QNPNSofg064/m/Xaamy15iBQAJ>
"I would warrant that I've read more than 20 times more books than you
have. I read out three public libraries, the military library and all
of the books I used to gain the knowledge to become an engineer."
10/13/2022
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/UjDRFpyNTeg/m/uuKA__SlAQAJ>
"I read every book in three major libraries and you want to tell me
about books?"
Does Tommy's famous "resume" include that? :-)
Of course not.
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
Tom's resume also doesn't include his alleged employment at several
companies. NASA, Sandia Lab, Sun Microsystems, Lawrence Livermore
National Laboratory, Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, Analog
Devices, ETEC, possibly Diablo Research. He claimed to have attended
Pacific Marine Academy and Chabot College and received a degree in
"navigation" from somewhere.
The bigger question for me is why on Earth someone would even want to
"read out a library?" The vast majority of books in most libraries I
know of are drivel.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
One wonders what Mr Kunich made of the Teen Romance section.
On 6/4/2025 2:49 PM, marika wrote:
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
At the local supermarket, food prices have been dropping like rocks. Take >> for instance, wine, Apothic red mixes just scant weeks ago were showing
$16.99 reduced to $10.99. Now, the same thing is $10.99 reduced to $6.99. >> Bread is almost back to pre-Biden. I'm telling you, those tariffs are
really killing us. Certainly not everything has gone down but I'm
assuming that they soon will.
I am not really convinced the examples you gave are driven by tariff changes nor out of country supply changes.. Sounds like mostly lical stuff you listed. Apothic for instance is a California made brand.
And I think you might mean pre Covid prices, not pre Biden.
What about real estate, especially new construction prices? Are they down in your area?
Not that it matters but I?m real curious?
is there any way you could report on all these food and real estate construction sales price and whether they change in a year?
Totally because I am just curious, no other reason.
Those reports are from Mr Kunich's area for selected items
and not necessarily representative of general inflation.
All prices fluctuate, especially locally, and that is
independent of general inflation.
'General inflation rate' is always approximate and exists in
many formats[1] but is necessarily imperfect[2]. It can be
useful when the same methodology is used for the same
economy at regular intervals for comparison over time.
[1] My favorite subset term is 'excluding food and energy',
that is, 'not counting things you actually buy a lot'.
[2] A good friend was called by the Commerce Department four
times every year for 25 years with the question, "How much
is a Raleigh Gran Prix?" In 1972 that was a very popular
model considered indicative of general disposable income
purchases for imported goods. Trouble is, Raleigh's
ownership changed four times over that period and Raleigh
Gran Prix were utterly different every few years; from steel
rims to aluminum, from plain pipe to CrMo, from
Britain/Netherlands at first to Japan and then ROC and then
Communist China and absolutely unlike the early model at the
end. Oh, and eventually a pathetically niche item not at all
representative of 'popular imported bicycles'. I assume
that is much like any other manufactured product, in that a
1980 computer is not a 1990 computer although one contract
of a commodity (5000 bushel trading unit of Red Wheat for
example) is very comparable.
On Sat, 07 Jun 2025 23:34:02 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
This is California.They make it so difficult to get permits to build that only half a dozen reconstruction permits have been issue
It's California, where Gavin Candsome was re-elected.
Just claim you are an "illegal". You'll get your permit to
build with a free car with driving license thrown in as a tip.
On Fri May 30 20:20:47 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Fri, 30 May 2025 01:36:58 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Brazikl has had open borders for a long time and is falling apart.
The "USkA" has closed borders and unemployment is soaring.
It's falling apart. Check the figures on serious economy sites.
Buy as much cheap plonk as you can before they all go
bankrupt.
That you would call CNN right wing tells us your politics in a nutshell.
I'm centrist.
BTW, our GNP has increased every year since President Lula was
elected. Unemployment is down and salaries are up. Good news, yes? Not
to CNN.
CNN supported (and supports) Bolsonaro, a right wing fascist.
What does that make them? Communists?
As of last month every single indicator of financial and personal growth is up. This returned the stockmarket to what it was a couple of months ago when the Wall Street Journal and CNN were predicting a long term recession.
All indications show that this is going to continue and that new market highs and Trump popularity is going to continue.
On Fri May 30 20:25:39 2025 Shadow wrote:govern a mass of people all with different languages and ideas of how to live? >>
On Fri, 30 May 2025 17:26:15 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri May 30 07:33:54 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 5/29/2025 8:36 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Wed May 28 19:54:46 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2025 20:40:12 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
Hell, you just told us that Trump is raising taxes when he is dropping them.
That's good news, if the tax cuts are for the working class
and pensioners(AKA consumers ).
Sources? I saw nothing in the news.
So much on your information via CNN.
We don't trust far-right wing media like CNN in Brazil. So
very few people watch it.
https://apnews.com/article/tax-cuts-jobs-act-trump-treasury-agenda-f4031196e0d69d0a1630e3b06b6d3cd7
Only someone missing a brain would believe that ANY general tax cut wouldn't effect those paying the most in taxes. Do you suppose that retired people on limited incomes would end up with more money in the bank?
Brazikl has had open borders for a long time and is falling apart. That you would call CNN right wing tells us your politics in a nutshell.
WTF?
Brasil has experienced net _emigration_ for a good long while:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1392875/migration-rate-brazil/
Andrew, there are plenty of Portuguese and Venezueloanns that think that Brazil is heaven on Earth in comparison to their own countries. The problem isn't with migration rates but the tribalism that occurs with open borders. How do you propose to
Portugal is paradise compared to Brazil. And Venezuela has a
higher HDI (standard of living) than we do. Look it up. The problem
ATM are Argentineans, fleeing their country and looking for employment
here. There are REAL engineers accepting jobs cleaning public toilets.
I feel sorry for them until I remember that they voted for a fascist
government.
Aren't you as a high paid professional carrying a tax burden entirely out of line with your actual income?
Ken Bone, the red sweater guy, asked Clinton and Trump the right energy question during their debate.
Its almost ten years later and still hasn?t been answered.
If you remember, I said that I read the nonfiction areas only.
On Sun Jun 1 09:17:43 2025 AMuzi wrote:
In re olive oil on weathered finishes, that's a suggestion I
found in a web search when you first mentioned the issue. I
have no idea but it doesn't seem unreasonable.
Olivr oil was once used to produce oil based paints. It had loads of problems at that time starting with drying out all allowing UV to damage the pigments. Wiping surfaces with olive oil causes only temporary and poor renewal.
But drinking a tablespoon of Virgin Oliver Oil before bedtime will lubricate your bowels so that you have to crap two or three times that next day and use an entir roll of toilet psper.
Yet you can find that suggestion everywhere on the internet. You use olive oil in cooking snd making real mayonaise and not for rubbing on wood.
On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 22:40:33 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun Jun 1 09:17:43 2025 AMuzi wrote:
In re olive oil on weathered finishes, that's a suggestion I
found in a web search when you first mentioned the issue. I
have no idea but it doesn't seem unreasonable.
Olivr oil was once used to produce oil based paints. It had loads of problems at that time starting with drying out all allowing UV to damage the pigments. Wiping surfaces with olive oil causes only temporary and poor renewal.
But drinking a tablespoon of Virgin Oliver Oil before bedtime will lubricate your bowels so that you have to crap two or three times that next day and use an entir roll of toilet psper.
Yet you can find that suggestion everywhere on the internet. You use olive oil in cooking snd making real mayonaise and not for rubbing on wood.
What is "oliver oil" and is Oliver really a virgin?
On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 16:59:08 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 22:40:33 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun Jun 1 09:17:43 2025 AMuzi wrote:
In re olive oil on weathered finishes, that's a suggestion I
found in a web search when you first mentioned the issue. I
have no idea but it doesn't seem unreasonable.
Olivr oil was once used to produce oil based paints. It had loads of problems at that time starting with drying out all allowing UV to damage the pigments. Wiping surfaces with olive oil causes only temporary and poor renewal.
But drinking a tablespoon of Virgin Oliver Oil before bedtime will lubricate your bowels so that you have to crap two or three times that next day and use an entir roll of toilet psper.
Yet you can find that suggestion everywhere on the internet. You use olive oil in cooking snd making real mayonaise and not for rubbing on wood.
What is "oliver oil" and is Oliver really a virgin?
Well, I see no evidence that Oliver has been engaged in any sexual
misconduct :=)
On Sun Jun 8 21:23:23 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jun 2025 23:34:02 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
This is California.They make it so difficult to get permits to build that only half a dozen reconstruction permits have been issue
It's California, where Gavin Candsome was re-elected.
Just claim you are an "illegal". You'll get your permit to
build with a free car with driving license thrown in as a tip.
Why do you suppose that it is NOT illegals causing the riots in LA? The people being arrested are from ALL over the US. They have one thing in common. They don't work and Trump cutting government loans for excessively priced useless college degrees.But WHO is paying for their travel? I think that answering that may shed a lot of life on who had been supporting the extreme left Democrats.
On 6/10/2025 6:01 PM, cyclintom wrote:But WHO is paying for their travel? I think that answering that may shed a lot of life on who had been supporting the extreme left Democrats.
On Sun Jun 8 21:23:23 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jun 2025 23:34:02 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
This is California.They make it so difficult to get permits to build that only half a dozen reconstruction permits have been issue
It's California, where Gavin Candsome was re-elected.
Just claim you are an "illegal". You'll get your permit to
build with a free car with driving license thrown in as a tip.
Why do you suppose that it is NOT illegals causing the riots in LA? The people being arrested are from ALL over the US. They have one thing in common. They don't work and Trump cutting government loans for excessively priced useless college degrees.
https://www.aol.com/news/worrying-footage-shows-anti-ice-132920568.html
On 6/10/2025 6:01 PM, cyclintom wrote:But WHO is paying for their travel? I think that answering that may shed a lot of life on who had been supporting the extreme left Democrats.
On Sun Jun 8 21:23:23 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jun 2025 23:34:02 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
This is California.They make it so difficult to get permits to build that only half a dozen reconstruction permits have been issue
It's California, where Gavin Candsome was re-elected.
Just claim you are an "illegal". You'll get your permit to
build with a free car with driving license thrown in as a tip.
Why do you suppose that it is NOT illegals causing the riots in LA? The people being arrested are from ALL over the US. They have one thing in common. They don't work and Trump cutting government loans for excessively priced useless college degrees.
https://www.aol.com/news/worrying-footage-shows-anti-ice-132920568.html
On Sat, 07 Jun 2025 23:34:02 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
This is California.They make it so difficult to get permits to build that only half a dozen reconstruction permits have been issue
It's California, where Gavin Candsome was re-elected.
Just claim you are an "illegal". You'll get your permit to
build with a free car with driving license thrown in as a tip.
On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 21:49:48 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:But WHO is paying for their travel? I think that answering that may shed a lot of life on who had been supporting the extreme left Democrats.
On 6/10/2025 6:01 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun Jun 8 21:23:23 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jun 2025 23:34:02 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
This is California.They make it so difficult to get permits to build that only half a dozen reconstruction permits have been issue
It's California, where Gavin Candsome was re-elected.
Just claim you are an "illegal". You'll get your permit to
build with a free car with driving license thrown in as a tip.
Why do you suppose that it is NOT illegals causing the riots in LA? The people being arrested are from ALL over the US. They have one thing in common. They don't work and Trump cutting government loans for excessively priced useless college degrees.
https://www.aol.com/news/worrying-footage-shows-anti-ice-132920568.html
I have to wonder how the protestors make a living.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On 6/11/2025 4:02 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 21:49:48 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 6/10/2025 6:01 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun Jun 8 21:23:23 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jun 2025 23:34:02 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
    It's California, where Gavin Candsome was re-elected.
This is California.They make it so difficult to get permits to
build that only half a dozen reconstruction permits have been issue >>>>>
    Just claim you are an "illegal". You'll get your permit to
build with a free car with driving license thrown in as a tip.
Why do you suppose that it is NOT illegals causing the riots in LA?
The people being arrested are from ALL over the US. They have one
thing in common. They don't work and Trump cutting government loans
for excessively priced useless college degrees. But WHO is paying
for their travel? I think that answering that may shed a lot of life
on who had been supporting the extreme left Democrats.
https://www.aol.com/news/worrying-footage-shows-anti-ice-132920568.html
I have to wonder how the protestors make a living.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
https://justthenews.com/nation/states/possible-foreign-influence- funding-networks-los-angeles-riots-likely-be-probed
https://pjmedia.com/victoria-taft/2025/06/08/whos-paying-for-the- violent-la-protests-against-immigration-enforcement-aw-you-guessed-n4940580
On 6/11/2025 9:12 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/11/2025 4:02 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 21:49:48 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 6/10/2025 6:01 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun Jun 8 21:23:23 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jun 2025 23:34:02 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
It's California, where Gavin Candsome was re-elected.
This is California.They make it so difficult to get permits to
build that only half a dozen reconstruction permits have been issue >>>>>>
Just claim you are an "illegal". You'll get your permit to
build with a free car with driving license thrown in as a tip.
Why do you suppose that it is NOT illegals causing the riots in LA?
The people being arrested are from ALL over the US. They have one
thing in common. They don't work and Trump cutting government loans
for excessively priced useless college degrees. But WHO is paying
for their travel? I think that answering that may shed a lot of life >>>>> on who had been supporting the extreme left Democrats.
https://www.aol.com/news/worrying-footage-shows-anti-ice-132920568.html >>>
I have to wonder how the protestors make a living.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
https://justthenews.com/nation/states/possible-foreign-influence-
funding-networks-los-angeles-riots-likely-be-probed
https://pjmedia.com/victoria-taft/2025/06/08/whos-paying-for-the-
violent-la-protests-against-immigration-enforcement-aw-you-guessed-n4940580 >>
More magatard bullshit.
On 6/11/2025 4:02 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 21:49:48 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 6/10/2025 6:01 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun Jun 8 21:23:23 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jun 2025 23:34:02 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
    It's California, where Gavin Candsome was re-elected.
This is California.They make it so difficult to get permits to
build that only half a dozen reconstruction permits have been issue >>>>>
    Just claim you are an "illegal". You'll get your permit to
build with a free car with driving license thrown in as a tip.
Why do you suppose that it is NOT illegals causing the riots in LA?
The people being arrested are from ALL over the US. They have one
thing in common. They don't work and Trump cutting government loans
for excessively priced useless college degrees. But WHO is paying
for their travel? I think that answering that may shed a lot of life
on who had been supporting the extreme left Democrats.
https://www.aol.com/news/worrying-footage-shows-anti-ice-132920568.html
I have to wonder how the protestors make a living.
https://justthenews.com/nation/states/possible-foreign-influence- funding-networks-los-angeles-riots-likely-be-probed
https://pjmedia.com/victoria-taft/2025/06/08/whos-paying-for-the- violent-la-protests-against-immigration-enforcement-aw-you-guessed-n4940580
On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 22:27:33 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri May 30 20:20:47 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Fri, 30 May 2025 01:36:58 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Brazikl has had open borders for a long time and is falling apart.
The "USkA" has closed borders and unemployment is soaring.
It's falling apart. Check the figures on serious economy sites.
Buy as much cheap plonk as you can before they all go
bankrupt.
That you would call CNN right wing tells us your politics in a nutshell. >>I'm centrist.
BTW, our GNP has increased every year since President Lula was
elected. Unemployment is down and salaries are up. Good news, yes? Not
to CNN.
CNN supported (and supports) Bolsonaro, a right wing fascist.
What does that make them? Communists?
As of last month every single indicator of financial and personal growth is up. This returned the stockmarket to what it was a couple of months ago when the Wall Street Journal and CNN were predicting a long term recession.
All indications show that this is going to continue and that new market highs and Trump popularity is going to continue.
Sources? All I can see is unemployment rising and salaries
falling.
On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 22:40:33 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun Jun 1 09:17:43 2025 AMuzi wrote:
In re olive oil on weathered finishes, that's a suggestion I
found in a web search when you first mentioned the issue. I
have no idea but it doesn't seem unreasonable.
Olivr oil was once used to produce oil based paints. It had loads of problems at that time starting with drying out all allowing UV to damage the pigments. Wiping surfaces with olive oil causes only temporary and poor renewal.
But drinking a tablespoon of Virgin Oliver Oil before bedtime will lubricate your bowels so that you have to crap two or three times that next day and use an entir roll of toilet psper.
Yet you can find that suggestion everywhere on the internet. You use olive oil in cooking snd making real mayonaise and not for rubbing on wood.
What is "oliver oil" and is Oliver really a virgin?
On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 21:49:48 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:But WHO is paying for their travel? I think that answering that may shed a lot of life on who had been supporting the extreme left Democrats.
On 6/10/2025 6:01 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun Jun 8 21:23:23 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jun 2025 23:34:02 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
This is California.They make it so difficult to get permits to build that only half a dozen reconstruction permits have been issue
It's California, where Gavin Candsome was re-elected.
Just claim you are an "illegal". You'll get your permit to
build with a free car with driving license thrown in as a tip.
Why do you suppose that it is NOT illegals causing the riots in LA? The people being arrested are from ALL over the US. They have one thing in common. They don't work and Trump cutting government loans for excessively priced useless college degrees.
https://www.aol.com/news/worrying-footage-shows-anti-ice-132920568.html
I have to wonder how the protestors make a living.
On 6/11/2025 4:02 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:But WHO is paying for their travel? I think that answering that may shed a lot of life on who had been supporting the extreme left Democrats.
On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 21:49:48 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 6/10/2025 6:01 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun Jun 8 21:23:23 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jun 2025 23:34:02 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
This is California.They make it so difficult to get permits to build that only half a dozen reconstruction permits have been issue
It's California, where Gavin Candsome was re-elected.
Just claim you are an "illegal". You'll get your permit to
build with a free car with driving license thrown in as a tip.
Why do you suppose that it is NOT illegals causing the riots in LA? The people being arrested are from ALL over the US. They have one thing in common. They don't work and Trump cutting government loans for excessively priced useless college degrees.
https://www.aol.com/news/worrying-footage-shows-anti-ice-132920568.html
I have to wonder how the protestors make a living.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
https://justthenews.com/nation/states/possible-foreign-influence-funding-networks-los-angeles-riots-likely-be-probed
https://pjmedia.com/victoria-taft/2025/06/08/whos-paying-for-the-violent-la-protests-against-immigration-enforcement-aw-you-guessed-n4940580
On 6/11/2025 9:12 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/11/2025 4:02 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 21:49:48 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 6/10/2025 6:01 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun Jun 8 21:23:23 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jun 2025 23:34:02 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
It's California, where Gavin Candsome was re-elected.
This is California.They make it so difficult to get permits to
build that only half a dozen reconstruction permits have been issue >>>>>
Just claim you are an "illegal". You'll get your permit to >>>>> build with a free car with driving license thrown in as a tip.
Why do you suppose that it is NOT illegals causing the riots in LA?
The people being arrested are from ALL over the US. They have one
thing in common. They don't work and Trump cutting government loans
for excessively priced useless college degrees. But WHO is paying
for their travel? I think that answering that may shed a lot of life >>>> on who had been supporting the extreme left Democrats.
https://www.aol.com/news/worrying-footage-shows-anti-ice-132920568.html >>
I have to wonder how the protestors make a living.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
https://justthenews.com/nation/states/possible-foreign-influence- funding-networks-los-angeles-riots-likely-be-probed
https://pjmedia.com/victoria-taft/2025/06/08/whos-paying-for-the- violent-la-protests-against-immigration-enforcement-aw-you-guessed-n4940580
More magatard bullshit.
On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 21:49:48 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:But WHO is paying for their travel? I think that answering that may shed a lot of life on who had been supporting the extreme left Democrats.
On 6/10/2025 6:01 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun Jun 8 21:23:23 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jun 2025 23:34:02 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
This is California.They make it so difficult to get permits to build that only half a dozen reconstruction permits have been issue
It's California, where Gavin Candsome was re-elected.
Just claim you are an "illegal". You'll get your permit to
build with a free car with driving license thrown in as a tip.
Why do you suppose that it is NOT illegals causing the riots in LA? The people being arrested are from ALL over the US. They have one thing in common. They don't work and Trump cutting government loans for excessively priced useless college degrees.
https://www.aol.com/news/worrying-footage-shows-anti-ice-132920568.html
Experience has shown that firing a volley into the rioting crowd puts
a very rapid stop in the illegal acts :-)
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 10:45:59 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
More magatard bullshit.
Junior believes the protesters are independantly wealthy enough to
wander the streets and burn cars.
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sun May 25 18:28:31 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 25 May 2025 20:07:33 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
At the local supermarket, food prices have been dropping like rocks.
Take for instance, wine, Apothic red mixes just scant weeks ago were
showing $16.99 reduced to $10.99. Now, the same thing is $10.99 reduced >>> to $6.99. Bread is almost back to pre-Biden. I'm telling you, those
tariffs are really killing us. Certainly not everything has gone down
but I'm assuming that they soon will.
So an increase in taxes lowered prices?
Sounds like raising taxes is a good idea, then, and everything
I learned about economy was wrong.
[]'s
PS Maybe not for you. You can't drink alcohol. Read the
absolute contraindications of your meds.
Where were taxes raised?
Right?
Major miscalculation for any boss, if they did, I think.
On Sat, 31 May 2025 19:41:34 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Frank, it is very difficult to discover the actual paper since Fauci made sure that side effects were blamed almost entirelu on Covid-19
LOL. That's not how medical research works. It's how Windrip
thinks it works, but honest researchers follow the evidence, NOT what
a politician tells them to follow.
One of the reasons why he's closing down all the best
universities. They don't publish what he wants them to publish.
[]'s
PS Food prices are going UP. Check the data. 3% increase in
the last 12 months. Except where you do your shopping, of course.
On 5/31/2025 3:41 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Fri May 30 13:27:04 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/30/2025 11:19 AM, cyclintom wrote:
... we now know that 74% of people taking the vaccine suffered permanent >> heart damage ...
Fascinating! And your source for that factoid is ... ???
Frank, it is very difficult to discover the actual paper ...
Because it doesn't exist, and never did. You pulled your WAG out of the
usual orifice.
As a question, why are you arguing about this unless all you want to do is claim that I am wrong?
Like several people here, I _do_ want to point out that your are wrong.
Part of my motivation is to reduce the likelihood that some naive reader
will actually believe you. You consistently try to spread nonsense. Your posts are harmful to society.
I spent 50 years working on medical devices or laboratory devices designed to detect diseases. Be very sure that you show that as a teacher you know far more about it than I do.
From what we can tell, you once programmed motion control in a tabletop instrument to squirt drops of liquid into an array of test tubes. You've
also claimed to have installed telephone systems, designed critical communications equipment for space operations and other probably
imaginary projects, which means you didn't put a solid 50 years into
medical equipment. You've never given evidence of any great medical knowledge, and almost daily you post plenty of evidence that you don't
know your ass from your elbow regarding medicine, economics, history,
bike mechanics and more.
Back to your 74% claim: Post a link to a legitimate reference source or
shut up.
On Sat, 31 May 2025 19:41:34 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri May 30 13:27:04 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/30/2025 11:19 AM, cyclintom wrote:
... we now know that 74% of people taking the vaccine suffered permanent >> heart damage ...
Fascinating! And your source for that factoid is ... ???
You, like most teachers want others to do your thinking for you.Frank, it is very difficult to discover the actual paper since Fauci made sure that side effects were blamed almost entirelu on Covid-19 rather than the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines. you have to look for it and you have no intensions of doing that.
effects from contracting the disease and getting well from it. Everyone that had "long covid" had been given the jab.How is it possible for every "study" out of the FDA to claim no increased risk with mRNA "vaccines" and every medical study since Fauci was forcibly retired to show the cause of 10-20% increased death rates to be focuseed on mRNA GMO's?
Increased deaths aren't the only problem but wildly increased multiple cause illnesses wirh permanent injuries. Most especially in young men from 19-24 suggesting an interaction with testosterone.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34921468/
That's what is known as a "survey". There is no actual testing being performed. Instead, the results of multiple publications are filtered
and tabulated to produce the data for analysis. Access to the entire
report is blocked by a paywall.
"We systematically searched PubMed, Scopus, Web of Science, and Google Scholar, as well as the medRxiv preprint server, with terms including: ?SARS-CoV-2?, ?COVID-19?, ?messenger RNA vaccine*?, ?mRNA-1273
vaccine?, ?BNT162 vaccine?, ?myocarditis?, ?pericarditis?, ?stroke?
and ?Myocardial Ischemia? up to 25 September 2021."
Without access to the original report, I can't determine if the data
was likely to be valid or if it was tweaked to conform to an agenda.
Here's the list of 5 sources along with a list of keywords (supporting information): <https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/action/downloadSupplement?doi=10.1002%2Frmv.2318&file=rmv2318-sup-0001-suppl-data.docx>
The survey was published on Dec 17, 2021. Presumably, that data from
the various sources was collect earlier. My GUESS(tm) is at least 6
months earlier and possibly a year earlier. I'll be generous and use
6 months or mid-June 2021. The first vaccines were available for
general consumption in Dec 2020:
"History of COVID-19: Outbreaks and vaccine timeline" <https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/history-disease-outbreaks-vaccine-timeline/covid-19>
That means that the data used covered Dec 2020 thru June 2021, which
is a 7 month period. That's not too horrible for early research, but
hardly evidence of a problem that affected 100% of those tested.
One of the vaaccines on the second shot had 100% chest pains.
How did you know it was the 2nd shot? It was not mentioned in your
PubMed abstract. Did you pay for the download of the full report?
As a question, why are you arguing about this unless all you want to do is claim that I am wrong?
Frank can answer with his point of view, but that is exactly why I'm responding. Also, I don't argue. I just provide evidence that your
wrong. If I can't do that, usually do to lack of information, I use
logic and speculation.
With multiple injections the chances of side effects multiply and there is NO detectable protection from covid-19. Even during Fauci's time the papers all showed next to no protection at all from infection with covid-19. And most papers showed NO side
Since you like survey reports: (Feb 1, 2023)
"Effect of covid-19 vaccination on long covid: systematic review" <https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9978692/>
"Current studies suggest that covid-19 vaccines might have protective
and therapeutic effects on long covid. More robust comparative
observational studies and trials are needed, however, to clearly
determine the effectiveness of vaccines in preventing and treating
long covid."
I spent 50 years working on medical devices or laboratory devices designed to detect diseases. Be very sure that you show that as a teacher you know far more about it than I do.
No you didn't. You online resume says otherwise. You spent 30 years
writing code: <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
I need to finish cleaning and waxing my Subaru. Have a nice day.
On Wed Jun 11 05:02:30 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:But WHO is paying for their travel? I think that answering that may shed a lot of life on who had been supporting the extreme left Democrats.
On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 21:49:48 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 6/10/2025 6:01 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun Jun 8 21:23:23 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jun 2025 23:34:02 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
This is California.They make it so difficult to get permits to build that only half a dozen reconstruction permits have been issue
It's California, where Gavin Candsome was re-elected.
Just claim you are an "illegal". You'll get your permit to
build with a free car with driving license thrown in as a tip.
Why do you suppose that it is NOT illegals causing the riots in LA? The people being arrested are from ALL over the US. They have one thing in common. They don't work and Trump cutting government loans for excessively priced useless college degrees.
https://www.aol.com/news/worrying-footage-shows-anti-ice-132920568.html
I have to wonder how the protestors make a living.
More significantly - they have come from all over the country - where did they get the money to do this?protesting." Governor Newsome has told Californians not to pay their Federal Income Taxes. He is supposedly a lawyer and should know that is a Federal felony punishable with 19 years in prison. I can only wish that they would arrest him for that but the
They had FILM of some "protestor" throwing a large rock at a National Guardsman stationed in front of a Federal building. They charged him, tackled him and put handcuffs on him and turned him over to the police, what does he yell? "I'm only peacefully
On Sat, 31 May 2025 13:45:06 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>that. You, like most teachers want others to do your thinking for you.
wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2025 19:41:34 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri May 30 13:27:04 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/30/2025 11:19 AM, cyclintom wrote:
... we now know that 74% of people taking the vaccine suffered permanentheart damage ...
Fascinating! And your source for that factoid is ... ???
Frank, it is very difficult to discover the actual paper since Fauci made sure that side effects were blamed almost entirelu on Covid-19 rather than the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines. you have to look for it and you have no intensions of doing
side effects from contracting the disease and getting well from it. Everyone that had "long covid" had been given the jab.
How is it possible for every "study" out of the FDA to claim no increased risk with mRNA "vaccines" and every medical study since Fauci was forcibly retired to show the cause of 10-20% increased death rates to be focuseed on mRNA GMO's?
Increased deaths aren't the only problem but wildly increased multiple cause illnesses wirh permanent injuries. Most especially in young men from 19-24 suggesting an interaction with testosterone.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34921468/
That's what is known as a "survey". There is no actual testing being >performed. Instead, the results of multiple publications are filtered
and tabulated to produce the data for analysis. Access to the entire >report is blocked by a paywall.
"We systematically searched PubMed, Scopus, Web of Science, and Google >Scholar, as well as the medRxiv preprint server, with terms including: >?SARS-CoV-2?, ?COVID-19?, ?messenger RNA vaccine*?, ?mRNA-1273
vaccine?, ?BNT162 vaccine?, ?myocarditis?, ?pericarditis?, ?stroke?
and ?Myocardial Ischemia? up to 25 September 2021."
Without access to the original report, I can't determine if the data
was likely to be valid or if it was tweaked to conform to an agenda.
Here's the list of 5 sources along with a list of keywords (supporting >information): ><https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/action/downloadSupplement?doi=10.1002%2Frmv.2318&file=rmv2318-sup-0001-suppl-data.docx>
The survey was published on Dec 17, 2021. Presumably, that data from
the various sources was collect earlier. My GUESS(tm) is at least 6
months earlier and possibly a year earlier. I'll be generous and use
6 months or mid-June 2021. The first vaccines were available for
general consumption in Dec 2020:
"History of COVID-19: Outbreaks and vaccine timeline" ><https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/history-disease-outbreaks-vaccine-timeline/covid-19>
That means that the data used covered Dec 2020 thru June 2021, which
is a 7 month period. That's not too horrible for early research, but >hardly evidence of a problem that affected 100% of those tested.
One of the vaaccines on the second shot had 100% chest pains.
How did you know it was the 2nd shot? It was not mentioned in your
PubMed abstract. Did you pay for the download of the full report?
As a question, why are you arguing about this unless all you want to do is claim that I am wrong?
Frank can answer with his point of view, but that is exactly why I'm >responding. Also, I don't argue. I just provide evidence that your
wrong. If I can't do that, usually do to lack of information, I use
logic and speculation.
With multiple injections the chances of side effects multiply and there is NO detectable protection from covid-19. Even during Fauci's time the papers all showed next to no protection at all from infection with covid-19. And most papers showed NO
Since you like survey reports: (Feb 1, 2023)
"Effect of covid-19 vaccination on long covid: systematic review" ><https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9978692/>
"Current studies suggest that covid-19 vaccines might have protective
and therapeutic effects on long covid. More robust comparative >observational studies and trials are needed, however, to clearly
determine the effectiveness of vaccines in preventing and treating
long covid."
I spent 50 years working on medical devices or laboratory devices designed to detect diseases. Be very sure that you show that as a teacher you know far more about it than I do.
No you didn't. You online resume says otherwise. You spent 30 years >writing code: ><https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
I need to finish cleaning and waxing my Subaru. Have a nice day.
Re Tommy's claims...
"read out" three libraries..."
I recentily did some adding and subtracting and it seems a reasonable
number for a 'HOME TOWN" liberty is about 46,946 books, estimated a
reading time of each. --- 10.25 hours a book = 481,218 hours. If you
read about 4 hours a day that is 120,304 days.
Times 3 library = 360, 912, or "a whole bunch of days".
Does Tommy's famous "resume" include that? :-)
On 6/11/2025 3:06 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Wed Jun 11 05:02:30 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:Good grief, you two are sunk in MAGA mud up to your ears.
I have to wonder how the protestors make a living.
More significantly - they have come from all over the
country - where did they get the money to do this?
Look, I don't approve of burning cars. But _non_ violent
protests are legal, and cops could have handled the tiny
minority who were violent.
But how do protesters make a living? Well, there were non-
violent protests near here weeks ago. I didn't attend, but I
knew people who did. Retired teachers. A retired
electrician. A librarian. A restaurant owner. A couple
engineers, and more. It doesn't take a fortune to hold a
picket sign.
And how would they have gotten across country? Well, I
recently did it just on saved-up credit card points; but
most protesters probably traveled less than a day's drive.
Your political views are built almost entirely on fantasy -
murder rates that are surging (except they're actually going
down), millions of false election votes (that have never,
ever been found despite searches in hundreds of
jurisdictions), immigrants eating people's dogs and cats
(got evidence? got recipes?), "peaceful protesters" who
accidentally assaulted police and smashed Capitol windows to
burst in, and tacky gold plated billionaires who really,
really care about _you_.
Of course not. <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
Tom's resume also doesn't include his alleged employment at several companies. NASA, Sandia Lab, Sun Microsystems, Lawrence Livermore
National Laboratory, Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, Analog
Devices, ETEC, possibly Diablo Research. He claimed to have attended
Pacific Marine Academy and Chabot College and received a degree in "navigation" from somewhere.
On 6/11/2025 3:06 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Wed Jun 11 05:02:30 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:Good grief, you two are sunk in MAGA mud up to your ears. Look, I don't >approve of burning cars. But _non_ violent protests are legal, and cops
I have to wonder how the protestors make a living.
More significantly - they have come from all over the country - where did they get the money to do this?
could have handled the tiny minority who were violent.
But how do protesters make a living? Well, there were non-violent
protests near here weeks ago. I didn't attend, but I knew people who
did. Retired teachers. A retired electrician. A librarian. A restaurant >owner. A couple engineers, and more. It doesn't take a fortune to hold a >picket sign.
And how would they have gotten across country? Well, I recently did it
just on saved-up credit card points; but most protesters probably
traveled less than a day's drive.
Your political views are built almost entirely on fantasy - murder rates
that are surging (except they're actually going down), millions of false >election votes (that have never, ever been found despite searches in
hundreds of jurisdictions),
immigrants eating people's dogs and cats
(got evidence? got recipes?), "peaceful protesters" who accidentally >assaulted police and smashed Capitol windows to burst in, and tacky gold >plated billionaires who really, really care about _you_.
Not that I would know anything about it
On Sat May 31 20:44:20 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2025 19:41:34 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Frank, it is very difficult to discover the actual paper since Fauci made sure that side effects were blamed almost entirelu on Covid-19
LOL. That's not how medical research works. It's how Windrip
thinks it works, but honest researchers follow the evidence, NOT what
a politician tells them to follow.
One of the reasons why he's closing down all the best
universities. They don't publish what he wants them to publish.
[]'s
PS Food prices are going UP. Check the data. 3% increase in
the last 12 months. Except where you do your shopping, of course.
I can't seem to get through to you. Energy prices have skyrocketed over the last 12 months as the wind and solar farms have gotten to the point of needing replacement. This so-called green energy isn't green and it is limiting energy production.
In order to produce food it takes a LOT of energy.
Food going up 3% in the last 12 months means that it is actually going DOWN since energy costs have gone up 41%.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/energy-prices-up-41-over-past-12-months-150201870.html
People have BEGGED to pau more for everything following the false gods of environmentalism. Do not complain because you pay more for everything when you asked for it.
The bigger question for me is why on Earth someone would even want to
"read out a library?" The vast majority of books in most libraries I
know of are drivel.
Let me explain to your stupidness - Covid-19 is a RESPIRATORY DISEASE It cannot pass the blood barrier.
On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 22:30:57 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
If you remember, I said that I read the nonfiction areas only.
Wrong. You originally wrote in two messages:
06/07/2022 <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/QNPNSofg064/m/Xaamy15iBQAJ> "I would warrant that I've read more than 20 times more books than you
have. I read out three public libraries, the military library and all
of the books I used to gain the knowledge to become an engineer."
10/13/2022 <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/UjDRFpyNTeg/m/uuKA__SlAQAJ> "I read every book in three major libraries and you want to tell me
about books?"
both of which fail to mention non-fiction. You added the
"non-fiction" fairly recently, probably to do damage control from
various readers noticing that it would you a very unrealistic amount
of time to accomplish your alleged reading feat.
Tom, I eventually found where you mentioned non-fiction (about 3 years
after your first mention):
04/09/2025 <https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=124171&group=rec.bicycles.tech#124171>
"One of the things that has really puzzled me is the reaction of
Liebermann and Flunky to my simoply saying that I read out aoll of the nun-fiction books in three libraries."
Notice the "nun-fiction" spelling. Perhaps if you claim that you only
read between the lines, you might appear more believable.
On 6/11/2025 2:06 PM, cyclintom wrote:..............
On Wed Jun 11 05:02:30 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 21:49:48 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
https://www.aol.com/news/worrying-footage-shows-anti-ice-132920568.html
protesting." Governor Newsome has told Californians not to pay their Federal Income Taxes. He is supposedly a lawyer and should know that is a Federal felony punishable with 19 years in prison. I can only wish that they would arrest him for that but the
I have to wonder how the protestors make a living.
More significantly - they have come from all over the country - where did they get the money to do this?
They had FILM of some "protestor" throwing a large rock at a National Guardsman stationed in front of a Federal building. They charged him, tackled him and put handcuffs on him and turned him over to the police, what does he yell? "I'm only peacefully
Motorcycles as assault weapons video:
https://www.newsweek.com/motorbikes-smash-police-line-los-angles-riots-video-hold-2082695
Who does this with their own bike?
On 31 May 2025 12:18:43 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
I remember having a conversation with a colleague who was from Ugandan >originally who was going though citizenship and that folks knowledge of >Ugandan so I asked her to tell me about the Brecon Beacons or the Welsh >Valleys, or maybe the Welsh knot? To her credit she accepted that despite >living only 2hrs away she had no idea of Wales which as she said was tad >embarrassing.
That's typical. Test yourself and see how well you remember. I'll
trust you not to cheat or peek.
- Name a few (about 5) local elected officials and their positions.
- How many steps do you climb before entering your house?
- What are the first few letters on the bottom row of a QWERTY
keyboard?
- Point in the direction of true north and compare with true north on
a map.
- How many points (or grooves) on a Torx driver?
- Is the LEFT bicycle pedal spindle LR or RH thread?
- Calculator and telephone keyboards are different. For each type, is
the "0" key in the top row or bottom row of the keyboard?
- How much dirt is in a hole 2 x 2 x 2 meters (or 2 x 2 x 2 yards)?
- What is the current cost of a first class US postage stamp? (US
only)
- How many barlycorns in 1 inch? (UK only)
- Who is on the front of a US $10 bill? (US only)
- What is on the back of a US $10 bill? (US only)
- Home doors open inward or outward?
- Commercial building doors open inward or outward?
- From memory, itemize the larger items in your refrigerator.
That should be sufficient. These are common things that we deal with
daily, yet typically do NOT remember when asked. We hardly ever think
about the more commonplace items that don't require much attention.
Visitors to my area frequently ask for directions. I've been living
here about 50 years and still can't remember the names of the local
roads:
<https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/1540-Jackson-Ave.jpg>
I could probably add some more examples after the phone decides to
stop ringing.
<https://photos.app.goo.gl/jWG5iNb8hKWa9QJu6>
(I couldn't resist and bought this yesterday at a local auto parts
store).
On 6/11/2025 5:47 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/11/2025 3:37 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/11/2025 3:06 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Wed Jun 11 05:02:30 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:Good grief, you two are sunk in MAGA mud up to your ears.
I have to wonder how the protestors make a living.
More significantly - they have come from all over the
country - where did they get the money to do this?
Look, I don't approve of burning cars. But _non_ violent
protests are legal, and cops could have handled the tiny
minority who were violent.
But how do protesters make a living? Well, there were
non- violent protests near here weeks ago. I didn't
attend, but I knew people who did. Retired teachers. A
retired electrician. A librarian. A restaurant owner. A
couple engineers, and more. It doesn't take a fortune to
hold a picket sign.
And how would they have gotten across country? Well, I
recently did it just on saved-up credit card points; but
most protesters probably traveled less than a day's drive.
Your political views are built almost entirely on fantasy
- murder rates that are surging (except they're actually
going down), millions of false election votes (that have
never, ever been found despite searches in hundreds of
jurisdictions), immigrants eating people's dogs and cats
(got evidence? got recipes?), "peaceful protesters" who
accidentally assaulted police and smashed Capitol windows
to burst in, and tacky gold plated billionaires who
really, really care about _you_.
With video:
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/overnight-looting-
follows-4th-day-of- anti-ice-protests-in-downtown-l-a-
bass-blames-raids/
Peaceful assembly and petitioning of grievances is a good
thing. I have participated many times. We agree strongly
on that.
Burning your own car is probably legal, but burning other
people's cars, looting, attacking LE and such is described
in the law as 'mob action' or 'riot' and goes well beyond
protected rights.
Right. Mob violence is illegal and should be prosecuted. As
your video promised, those perps will be prosecuted.
I just hope the perps are dealt with properly - as opposed
to the perps who attacked the U.S. Capitol intent on
disrupting critical congressional procedures, who assaulted
police, damaged our most sacred public property, horrified
all conscientious observers worldwide, but who were pardoned
by the guy responsible for generating it all.
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 16:35:57 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:peacefully protesting." Governor Newsome has told Californians not to pay their Federal Income Taxes. He is supposedly a lawyer and should know that is a Federal felony punishable with 19 years in prison. I can only wish that they would arrest him for
On 6/11/2025 2:06 PM, cyclintom wrote:..............
On Wed Jun 11 05:02:30 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 21:49:48 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>
https://www.aol.com/news/worrying-footage-shows-anti-ice-132920568.html
Source: Fox "News"
I have to wonder how the protestors make a living.
More significantly - they have come from all over the country - where did they get the money to do this?
They had FILM of some "protestor" throwing a large rock at a National Guardsman stationed in front of a Federal building. They charged him, tackled him and put handcuffs on him and turned him over to the police, what does he yell? "I'm only
Motorcycles as assault weapons video:
https://www.newsweek.com/motorbikes-smash-police-line-los-angles-riots-video-hold-2082695
Source: Fox "News"
Who does this with their own bike?
Dunno, but when ANY reporter quotes Fox "News", the whole
article loses its credibility.
Fox "News" is to News as a Cow Pie is to Pie. You wouldn't
consume a Cow Pie, would you? So why consume Fox News?
[]'s
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 21:28:18 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Let me explain to your stupidness - Covid-19 is a RESPIRATORY DISEASE It cannot pass the blood barrier.
Fox "News"? Rumble? "X"? Hitler? The Magatard himself?
Explain how blood tests for Covid work.
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 20:42:08 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sat May 31 20:44:20 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2025 19:41:34 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Frank, it is very difficult to discover the actual paper since Fauci made sure that side effects were blamed almost entirelu on Covid-19
LOL. That's not how medical research works. It's how Windrip
thinks it works, but honest researchers follow the evidence, NOT what
a politician tells them to follow.
One of the reasons why he's closing down all the best
universities. They don't publish what he wants them to publish.
[]'s
PS Food prices are going UP. Check the data. 3% increase in
the last 12 months. Except where you do your shopping, of course.
I can't seem to get through to you. Energy prices have skyrocketed over the last 12 months as the wind and solar farms have gotten to the point of needing replacement. This so-called green energy isn't green and it is limiting energy production.
In order to produce food it takes a LOT of energy.
Food going up 3% in the last 12 months means that it is actually going DOWN since energy costs have gone up 41%.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/energy-prices-up-41-over-past-12-months-150201870.html
People have BEGGED to pau more for everything following the false gods of environmentalism. Do not complain because you pay more for everything when you asked for it.
That explains inflation during Biden's presidency(the article
you presented is from 3-4 years ago). It does not explain why food
inflation is still at 3% when oil/petrol prices have plummeted, Trump
is doing something wrong...
But thanks for reminding me why there was inflation during
Biden's term. The oil prices were very high. He should have invested
more in green energy.
In article <ma12kgF4l8nU1@mid.individual.net>,
Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
- What are the first few letters on the bottom row of a QWERTY
keyboard?
Despite being trained as touch typists that escaped me!
I think being so-trained or well-practiced makes this a more
difficult question. I could get you the answer, but I'd have to imagine typing every letter of the alphabet and keep track of which were on the bottom row. :)
On Sat May 31 11:01:29 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On 31 May 2025 12:18:43 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
I remember having a conversation with a colleague who was from Ugandan
originally who was going though citizenship and that folks knowledge of
Ugandan so I asked her to tell me about the Brecon Beacons or the Welsh
Valleys, or maybe the Welsh knot? To her credit she accepted that despite >> >living only 2hrs away she had no idea of Wales which as she said was tad
embarrassing.
That's typical. Test yourself and see how well you remember. I'll
trust you not to cheat or peek.
- Name a few (about 5) local elected officials and their positions.
- How many steps do you climb before entering your house?
- What are the first few letters on the bottom row of a QWERTY
keyboard?
- Point in the direction of true north and compare with true north on
a map.
- How many points (or grooves) on a Torx driver?
- Is the LEFT bicycle pedal spindle LR or RH thread?
- Calculator and telephone keyboards are different. For each type, is
the "0" key in the top row or bottom row of the keyboard?
- How much dirt is in a hole 2 x 2 x 2 meters (or 2 x 2 x 2 yards)?
- What is the current cost of a first class US postage stamp? (US
only)
- How many barlycorns in 1 inch? (UK only)
- Who is on the front of a US $10 bill? (US only)
- What is on the back of a US $10 bill? (US only)
- Home doors open inward or outward?
- Commercial building doors open inward or outward?
- From memory, itemize the larger items in your refrigerator.
That should be sufficient. These are common things that we deal with
daily, yet typically do NOT remember when asked. We hardly ever think
about the more commonplace items that don't require much attention.
Visitors to my area frequently ask for directions. I've been living
here about 50 years and still can't remember the names of the local
roads:
<https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/1540-Jackson-Ave.jpg>
I could probably add some more examples after the phone decides to
stop ringing.
<https://photos.app.goo.gl/jWG5iNb8hKWa9QJu6>
(I couldn't resist and bought this yesterday at a local auto parts
store).
Of what consequence is any of that?
No one uses $10 bills except to make change for a $20 bill.
Should they notice the Presoident who is on it?
Or is perhaps the value written on it more important?
Do you have the slightest idea of why home doors swing inward? Or why commercial buildings open outward?
Covid-19 is a RESPIRATORY DISEASE It cannot pass the blood barrier.
The 120 foot windmills require REGULAR replacement of the blades.
On 6/11/2025 5:47 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/11/2025 3:37 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/11/2025 3:06 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Wed Jun 11 05:02:30 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:Good grief, you two are sunk in MAGA mud up to your ears. Look, I
I have to wonder how the protestors make a living.
More significantly - they have come from all over the country - where
did they get the money to do this?
don't approve of burning cars. But _non_ violent protests are legal,
and cops could have handled the tiny minority who were violent.
But how do protesters make a living? Well, there were non- violent
protests near here weeks ago. I didn't attend, but I knew people who
did. Retired teachers. A retired electrician. A librarian. A
restaurant owner. A couple engineers, and more. It doesn't take a
fortune to hold a picket sign.
And how would they have gotten across country? Well, I recently did it
just on saved-up credit card points; but most protesters probably
traveled less than a day's drive.
Your political views are built almost entirely on fantasy - murder
rates that are surging (except they're actually going down), millions
of false election votes (that have never, ever been found despite
searches in hundreds of jurisdictions), immigrants eating people's
dogs and cats (got evidence? got recipes?), "peaceful protesters" who
accidentally assaulted police and smashed Capitol windows to burst in,
and tacky gold plated billionaires who really, really care about _you_.
With video:
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/overnight-looting-follows-4th-day-of-
anti-ice-protests-in-downtown-l-a-bass-blames-raids/
Peaceful assembly and petitioning of grievances is a good thing. I have
participated many times. We agree strongly on that.
Burning your own car is probably legal, but burning other people's cars,
looting, attacking LE and such is described in the law as 'mob action'
or 'riot' and goes well beyond protected rights.
Right. Mob violence is illegal and should be prosecuted. As your video >promised, those perps will be prosecuted.
I just hope the perps are dealt with properly - as opposed to the perps
who attacked the U.S. Capitol intent on disrupting critical
congressional procedures, who assaulted police, damaged our most sacred >public property, horrified all conscientious observers worldwide, but
who were pardoned by the guy responsible for generating it all.
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 16:35:57 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:peacefully protesting." Governor Newsome has told Californians not to pay their Federal Income Taxes. He is supposedly a lawyer and should know that is a Federal felony punishable with 19 years in prison. I can only wish that they would arrest him for
On 6/11/2025 2:06 PM, cyclintom wrote:..............
On Wed Jun 11 05:02:30 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 21:49:48 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>
https://www.aol.com/news/worrying-footage-shows-anti-ice-132920568.html
Source: Fox "News"
I have to wonder how the protestors make a living.
More significantly - they have come from all over the country - where did they get the money to do this?
They had FILM of some "protestor" throwing a large rock at a National Guardsman stationed in front of a Federal building. They charged him, tackled him and put handcuffs on him and turned him over to the police, what does he yell? "I'm only
Motorcycles as assault weapons video:
https://www.newsweek.com/motorbikes-smash-police-line-los-angles-riots-video-hold-2082695
Source: Fox "News"
Who does this with their own bike?
Dunno, but when ANY reporter quotes Fox "News", the whole
article loses its credibility.
Fox "News" is to News as a Cow Pie is to Pie. You wouldn't
consume a Cow Pie, would you? So why consume Fox News?
[]'s
On Sat May 31 20:42:31 2025 Beej Jorgensen wrote:
In article <ma12kgF4l8nU1@mid.individual.net>,
Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
- What are the first few letters on the bottom row of a QWERTY
keyboard?
Despite being trained as touch typists that escaped me!
I think being so-trained or well-practiced makes this a more
difficult question. I could get you the answer, but I'd have to imagine
typing every letter of the alphabet and keep track of which were on the
bottom row. :)
More to the point WHY was a Querty keyboard designed in that manner? Hint - it is because it is designed to work in English.
Am 12.06.2025 um 03:14 schrieb cyclintom:
On Sat May 31 20:42:31 2025 Beej Jorgensen wrote:
In article <ma12kgF4l8nU1@mid.individual.net>,
Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
- What are the first few letters on the bottom row of a
QWERTY
keyboard?
Despite being trained as touch typists that escaped me!
I think being so-trained or well-practiced makes this a more
difficult question. I could get you the answer, but I'd
have to imagine
typing every letter of the alphabet and keep track of
which were on the
bottom row. :)
More to the point WHY was a Querty keyboard designed in
that manner? Hint - it is because it is designed to work
in English.
It was designed to maximize the distance between letter that
are commonly typed together in English, in order to minimze
jamming of machanichal typewriters.
Am 12.06.2025 um 02:50 schrieb cyclintom:
The 120 foot windmills require REGULAR replacement of the blades.
Sure, 120 ft windmills need replacement now because they are 25 years
old (once every 25 years can also be called "regular" I guess); this replacement is usually called "re-powering".
The current generation is a lot larger ;-)
On 6/11/2025 8:14 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sat May 31 20:42:31 2025 Beej Jorgensen wrote:
In article <ma12kgF4l8nU1@mid.individual.net>,
Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
- What are the first few letters on the bottom row of a QWERTY
keyboard?
Despite being trained as touch typists that escaped me!
I think being so-trained or well-practiced makes this a more
difficult question. I could get you the answer, but I'd have to imagine
typing every letter of the alphabet and keep track of which were on the
bottom row. :)
More to the point WHY was a Querty keyboard designed in that manner?
Hint - it is because it is designed to work in English.
Nope.
It was a workaround by Mr Soles in Milwaukee to slow down typists and
thus prevent key jams:
https://www.theinventors.org/library/inventors/bltypewriter.htm
On Sat May 31 20:42:31 2025 Beej Jorgensen wrote:
In article <ma12kgF4l8nU1@mid.individual.net>,
Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
- What are the first few letters on the bottom row of a QWERTY
keyboard?
Despite being trained as touch typists that escaped me!
I think being so-trained or well-practiced makes this a more
difficult question. I could get you the answer, but I'd have to imagine
typing every letter of the alphabet and keep track of which were on the
bottom row. :)
More to the point WHY was a Querty keyboard designed in that manner? Hint - it is because it is designed to work in English.
On 6/12/2025 8:47 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/11/2025 8:14 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sat May 31 20:42:31 2025 Beej Jorgensen wrote:
In article <ma12kgF4l8nU1@mid.individual.net>,
Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
- What are the first few letters on the bottom row of
a QWERTY
keyboard?
Despite being trained as touch typists that escaped me!
I think being so-trained or well-practiced makes this a
more
difficult question. I could get you the answer, but I'd
have to imagine
typing every letter of the alphabet and keep track of
which were on the
bottom row. :)
More to the point WHY was a Querty keyboard designed in
that manner? Hint - it is because it is designed to work
in English.
Nope.
It was a workaround by Mr Soles in Milwaukee to slow down
typists and thus prevent key jams:
https://www.theinventors.org/library/inventors/
bltypewriter.htm
'slowing' wasn't part of the intent. Rolfs answer is for all
intents and purposes the 'sole' reason. It was optimized to
prevent jamming. There have been designs that were optimized
for typing speed,but those were more prone to jamming. The
most commonly used letters were spaced farther apart from
each other so that there wouldn't be interference between
the typebars. Ergonomically it results in a slower WPM rate,
but that wasn't the intent.
On 6/12/2025 8:15 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 6/12/2025 8:47 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/11/2025 8:14 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sat May 31 20:42:31 2025 Beej Jorgensen wrote:
In article <ma12kgF4l8nU1@mid.individual.net>,
Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
- What are the first few letters on the bottom row of a QWERTY
keyboard?
Despite being trained as touch typists that escaped me!
I think being so-trained or well-practiced makes this a more
difficult question. I could get you the answer, but I'd have to
imagine
typing every letter of the alphabet and keep track of which were on
the
bottom row. :)
More to the point WHY was a Querty keyboard designed in that manner?
Hint - it is because it is designed to work in English.
Nope.
It was a workaround by Mr Soles in Milwaukee to slow down typists and
thus prevent key jams:
https://www.theinventors.org/library/inventors/ bltypewriter.htm
'slowing' wasn't part of the intent. Rolfs answer is for all intents
and purposes the 'sole' reason. It was optimized to prevent jamming.
There have been designs that were optimized for typing speed,but those
were more prone to jamming. The most commonly used letters were spaced
farther apart from each other so that there wouldn't be interference
between the typebars. Ergonomically it results in a slower WPM rate,
but that wasn't the intent.
From link above:
" To solve the jamming problem, another business associate, James
Densmore, suggested splitting up keys for letters commonly used together
to slow down typing. This became today's standard "QWERTY" keyboard."
On 6/11/2025 6:38 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
I just hope the perps are dealt with properly - as opposed
to the perps who attacked the U.S. Capitol intent on
disrupting critical congressional procedures, who assaulted
police, damaged our most sacred public property, horrified
all conscientious observers worldwide, but who were pardoned
by the guy responsible for generating it all.
We agree again.
About two dozen people on 6 January attacked police. Out of
some 1500 persons jailed, most for 'misdemeanor trespass' in
a public building/park.
On 6/11/2025 6:44 PM, Shadow wrote:peacefully protesting." Governor Newsome has told Californians not to pay their Federal Income Taxes. He is supposedly a lawyer and should know that is a Federal felony punishable with 19 years in prison. I can only wish that they would arrest him for
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 16:35:57 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 6/11/2025 2:06 PM, cyclintom wrote:..............
On Wed Jun 11 05:02:30 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 21:49:48 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>
Source: Fox "News"
https://www.aol.com/news/worrying-footage-shows-anti-ice-132920568.html >>
I have to wonder how the protestors make a living.
More significantly - they have come from all over the country - where did they get the money to do this?
They had FILM of some "protestor" throwing a large rock at a National Guardsman stationed in front of a Federal building. They charged him, tackled him and put handcuffs on him and turned him over to the police, what does he yell? "I'm only
Motorcycles as assault weapons video:
https://www.newsweek.com/motorbikes-smash-police-line-los-angles-riots-video-hold-2082695
Source: Fox "News"
Who does this with their own bike?
Dunno, but when ANY reporter quotes Fox "News", the whole
article loses its credibility.
Fox "News" is to News as a Cow Pie is to Pie. You wouldn't
consume a Cow Pie, would you? So why consume Fox News?
[]'s
Video of the same incident from the Clinton News Network:
https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/08/us/video/los-angeles-protest-motorcycle-crash-police-line-digvid
On Wed Jun 11 20:33:39 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 21:28:18 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Let me explain to your stupidness - Covid-19 is a RESPIRATORY DISEASE It cannot pass the blood barrier.
Fox "News"? Rumble? "X"? Hitler? The Magatard himself?
Explain how blood tests for Covid work.
Is there some reason that I should have the ability to detect the almost 1,300 amino acid spike protein? Chemistry is not my specislty. Are you trying to imply that a spike protein can cross the cell barier in the normal infection?
Why did central Africa which could not afford the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine have NORMAL rates of deaths while the US providing the vaccines have 20% above normal death rates with NO QUESTIONS BEING ASKED?
When young people between 19 and 26 were dropping dead why did the CDC tell us to not believe our lying eyes?
Or perhaps you just took the vaccine yourself and are presently in denial?
Liebermann and Flunky ran right out to be vaccinated after I warned everyone here against the vaccines. Then when I warned people again, they both said, "I took it without any bad effects." I read paper after paper in the medical journals saying thatside effects were minor and rare. There was a dimwit at the Senate hearing this morning that repeated the same thing and added that it PREVENTED Covid deaths. Would you believe that after you discovered that it had NO EFFECT on SARS-Cov-2 and didn't even
I think that this was especially egrigious for Liebermann who already was treated for cancer.
Remember that at the LOWEST estimate it had for bad or fatal side effects was 2.5%
of users when NO vaccine is acceptable above 1 in a hundred thousand!
How the hell could this EVER become acceptable for a disease that was nothing more than a flu developed ONLY to test how to make a virus more contagious and with sufficient difference from a normal influenza virus to be easily identifiable? They wereselling test kits here that would identify covid in 20 minutes!
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 20:44:13 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:
Dunno, but when ANY reporter quotes Fox "News", the whole
article loses its credibility.
Fox "News" is to News as a Cow Pie is to Pie. You wouldn't
consume a Cow Pie, would you? So why consume Fox News?
[]'s
I feel the same way about the CNN, MSNBC, NBC, PBS, ABC, CBS, and the >NYTimes. All of them are as biased to the left as Fox News is biased
to the right.
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 04:50:27 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 20:44:13 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:
Dunno, but when ANY reporter quotes Fox "News", the whole
article loses its credibility.
Fox "News" is to News as a Cow Pie is to Pie. You wouldn't
consume a Cow Pie, would you? So why consume Fox News?
[]'s
I feel the same way about the CNN, MSNBC, NBC, PBS, ABC, CBS, and the >>NYTimes. All of them are as biased to the left as Fox News is biased
to the right.
How does Fox "News" score for "factual reporting"?
I checked the others you mentioned, they are either "mostly
factual" or (most of them) "high factual" reporting. NONE spread
#FAKE_NEWS or false conspiratory theories. They are also all
center-left publications.
Fox news is not center-right(which is sordid, but acceptable)
it's extreme fascist right.
Want a nice pie?
[]'s
On 6/12/2025 10:11 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/12/2025 8:15 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 6/12/2025 8:47 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/11/2025 8:14 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sat May 31 20:42:31 2025 Beej Jorgensen wrote:
In article <ma12kgF4l8nU1@mid.individual.net>,
Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
- What are the first few letters on the bottom row
of a QWERTY
keyboard?
Despite being trained as touch typists that escaped me!
I think being so-trained or well-practiced makes this
a more
difficult question. I could get you the answer, but
I'd have to imagine
typing every letter of the alphabet and keep track of
which were on the
bottom row. :)
More to the point WHY was a Querty keyboard designed in
that manner? Hint - it is because it is designed to
work in English.
Nope.
It was a workaround by Mr Soles in Milwaukee to slow
down typists and thus prevent key jams:
https://www.theinventors.org/library/inventors/
bltypewriter.htm
'slowing' wasn't part of the intent. Rolfs answer is for
all intents and purposes the 'sole' reason. It was
optimized to prevent jamming. There have been designs
that were optimized for typing speed,but those were more
prone to jamming. The most commonly used letters were
spaced farther apart from each other so that there
wouldn't be interference between the typebars.
Ergonomically it results in a slower WPM rate, but that
wasn't the intent.
 From link above:
" To solve the jamming problem, another business
associate, James Densmore, suggested splitting up keys for
letters commonly used together to slow down typing. This
became today's standard "QWERTY" keyboard."
OK, that's the first thing I've read from that perspective.
Everything I've ever seen on the subject said speed wasn't
the consideration.
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 04:50:27 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 20:44:13 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:
Dunno, but when ANY reporter quotes Fox "News", the whole
article loses its credibility.
Fox "News" is to News as a Cow Pie is to Pie. You wouldn't
consume a Cow Pie, would you? So why consume Fox News?
[]'s
I feel the same way about the CNN, MSNBC, NBC, PBS, ABC, CBS, and the
NYTimes. All of them are as biased to the left as Fox News is biased
to the right.
How does Fox "News" score for "factual reporting"?
I checked the others you mentioned, they are either "mostly
factual" or (most of them) "high factual" reporting. NONE spread
#FAKE_NEWS or false conspiratory theories. They are also all
center-left publications.
Fox news is not center-right(which is sordid, but acceptable)
it's extreme fascist right.
Want a nice pie?
[]'s
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 00:34:07 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Wed Jun 11 20:33:39 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 21:28:18 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Let me explain to your stupidness - Covid-19 is a RESPIRATORY DISEASE It cannot pass the blood barrier.
Fox "News"? Rumble? "X"? Hitler? The Magatard himself?
Explain how blood tests for Covid work.
Is there some reason that I should have the ability to detect the almost 1,300 amino acid spike protein? Chemistry is not my specislty. Are you trying to imply that a spike protein can cross the cell barier in the normal infection?
It ALWAYS does. It can't reproduce if it doesn't cross the
cell's membrane.
Why did central Africa which could not afford the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine have NORMAL rates of deaths while the US providing the vaccines have 20% above normal death rates with NO QUESTIONS BEING ASKED?
The Chinese Sinovac (which China kindly donated to most
African countries) was far superior. We've discussed this before. Plus Sinovac is far more resistant to heat, Africa is hot.
that side effects were minor and rare. There was a dimwit at the Senate hearing this morning that repeated the same thing and added that it PREVENTED Covid deaths. Would you believe that after you discovered that it had NO EFFECT on SARS-Cov-2 and didn't
When young people between 19 and 26 were dropping dead why did the CDC tell us to not believe our lying eyes?
People between 19 and 26 are always dropping dead. The
vaccines didn't affect the amount that dropped dead.
Or perhaps you just took the vaccine yourself and are presently in denial?
Sinovac, 3 doses.
Liebermann and Flunky ran right out to be vaccinated after I warned everyone here against the vaccines. > Then when I warned people again, they both said, "I took it without any bad effects." I read paper after paper in the medical journals saying
Vaccines were NOT designed to prevent transmission. Not even
the Chinese one. They were designed to prevent death, which they all
did (some better than others).
I think that this was especially egrigious for Liebermann who already was treated for cancer.
Why? I fail to see the connection.
Remember that at the LOWEST estimate it had for bad or fatal side effects was 2.5%
COVID ? Yes, 2,5% is probably the amount of people that had not been vaccinated and either died from Covid or had serious long-Covid
syndrome.
selling test kits here that would identify covid in 20 minutes!of users when NO vaccine is acceptable above 1 in a hundred thousand!
Well, as you said, Covid was killing or maiming 2500 people in
100.000, so anything better than that was acceptable.
How the hell could this EVER become acceptable for a disease that was nothing more than a flu developed ONLY to test how to make a virus more contagious and with sufficient difference from a normal influenza virus to be easily identifiable? They were
I'm sorry, you lost me there. Try the sentence again, this time
putting the words in the right order. Also double check what you wrote
as to factual content.
HTH
[]'s
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 19:01:32 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 6/11/2025 6:38 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
I just hope the perps are dealt with properly - as opposed
to the perps who attacked the U.S. Capitol intent on
disrupting critical congressional procedures, who assaulted
police, damaged our most sacred public property, horrified
all conscientious observers worldwide, but who were pardoned
by the guy responsible for generating it all.
We agree again.
About two dozen people on 6 January attacked police. Out of
some 1500 persons jailed, most for 'misdemeanor trespass' in
a public building/park.
I agree. They are ALL criminals. The trespassers and the
violent ones. And yet they were pardoned and people that just want to
legally protest against fascism are being fired on....
The US is this close to becoming a fascist dictatorship...
[]'s
On Wed Jun 11 19:44:43 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/11/2025 4:42 PM, cyclintom wrote:
Energy prices have skyrocketed over the last 12 months as the wind and solar farms have gotten to the point of needing replacement.
Hmm. How odd. I see no replacements happening in any of the solar
installations in my area. Not many wind turbines here, but the ones I
saw along Lake Erie last week seemed to be churning away as usual.
I'd ask for sources of information, but I know the real source is the
voice in Tom's brain.
Frank, stop acting like a single point in time is proof of anything.
The 120 foot windmills require REGULAR replacement of the blades. They are NOT recyclable and are normally simply buried.
And the attached generators burn out often because the ends of the blades are traveling just under the speed of sound and shaking everything to pieces.
Solar farms leave the dead cells in place until they begin to show steep drops in power output.
What's more solar farms are OFTEN left in place and simply deserted. The Mojave Desert here is rife with them.
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 00:50:31 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Wed Jun 11 19:44:43 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/11/2025 4:42 PM, cyclintom wrote:
Energy prices have skyrocketed over the last 12 months as the wind and solar farms have gotten to the point of needing replacement.
Hmm. How odd. I see no replacements happening in any of the solar
installations in my area. Not many wind turbines here, but the ones I
saw along Lake Erie last week seemed to be churning away as usual.
I'd ask for sources of information, but I know the real source is the
voice in Tom's brain.
Frank, stop acting like a single point in time is proof of anything.
Tom. I haven't seen much corroboration from you for your amazing
facts.
The 120 foot windmills require REGULAR replacement of the blades. They are NOT recyclable and are normally simply buried.
Mostly true. Yes, turbine blades are a problem, but they can be
recycled. They are stockpiled, not buried.
"Wind turbine blade recycling is underway in Iowa" June 14, 2024 <https://iowacapitaldispatch.com/2024/06/14/wind-turbine-blade-recycling-is-underway-in-iowa/>
And the attached generators burn out often because the ends of the blades are traveling just under the speed of sound and shaking everything to pieces.
Amazing. I didn't know that turbine tip speed destroyed generators.
Usually, the gearbox wears out before the generator.
"Wind turbine gearboxes: When is 20 years not 20 years?" <https://tamarindo.global/insight/analysis/wind-turbine-gearboxes-when-is-20-years-not-20-years/>
"So almost all gearboxes in a wind farm are likely to fail within 20
years."
Generators usually last a little longer (30 years):
"Wind Energy End-of-Service Guide" <https://windexchange.energy.gov/end-of-service-guide>
Solar farms leave the dead cells in place until they begin to show steep drops in power output.
That's by design. In the distant past, the failure of a single cell drastically reduced the panel output. With a properly designed MPPT
micro inverter system, single cell failures can be tolerated. When
output is reduced to 80% of nominal output, it's considered defective
and in need for replacement.
What's more solar farms are OFTEN left in place and simply deserted. The Mojave Desert here is rife with them.
You're probably thinking of the Ivanpah solar-thermal plant. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivanpah_Solar_Power_Facility>
It hasn't been abandoned, but is scheduled to shutdown in 2026: <https://apnews.com/article/california-solar-energy-ivanpah-birds-tortoises-mojave-6d91c36a1ff608861d5620e715e1141c>
Since you claim that "the Mojave Desert here is rife with them",
perhaps you can provide a link to a list of decommissioned desert
power plants or aerial photos? I can easily find some that are still operational, but nothing that looks deserted or abandoned: <https://www.google.com/search?q=decommissioned%20Mojave%20solar%20power%20plants%20-Ivanpah&udm=2>
<https://www.google.com/search?q=abandoned%20Mojave%20solar%20power%20plants%20-Ivanpah&udm=2>
The circular power plant is Ivanpah. I looked through many pages of
photos and couldn't find an abandoned or decommission solar power
plant in the Mojave Desert. You really should check your facts before
your waste my time proving you wrong (as usual).
On 6/12/2025 3:31 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 00:50:31 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Wed Jun 11 19:44:43 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/11/2025 4:42 PM, cyclintom wrote:
Energy prices have skyrocketed over the last 12 months as the wind and solar farms have gotten to the point of needing replacement.
stop acting like a single point in time is proof of anything. (lol)
On 6/12/2025 3:31 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Amazing. I didn't know that turbine tip speed destroyed generators.
Usually, the gearbox wears out before the generator.
"Wind turbine gearboxes: When is 20 years not 20 years?"
<https://tamarindo.global/insight/analysis/wind-turbine-gearboxes-when-is-20-years-not-20-years/>
"So almost all gearboxes in a wind farm are likely to fail within 20
years."
I'm pretty skeptical about that site's claims.
"It is well-known that many wind turbine gearboxes have a design life of
20 years.
"However, it is also well-known that a great number of gearboxes don’t
last for 20 years and fail prematurely. Why the discrepancy?
"The answer lies in the way that gear and bearing lives are defined. We
can’t predict the exact date on which a component will fail, but we can >estimate the probability that it will last for a given duration.
"A very simple calculation shows that, if we combine the expected life
for every bearing in a drivetrain to calculate a ‘system level’ life,
the probability of one or more bearings failing within 20 years is up to
93%. So almost all gearboxes in a wind farm are likely to fail within 20 >years. It seems shocking, but isn’t far from reality."
They seem to be implying that each gear, bearing, shaft, etc. are >individually designed for 20 year life, but that because there are
always some premature failures, 93% will have _something_ fail sooner
than 20 years.
ISTM that doesn't mean the wind turbine comes down. It means the failed >bearing must be replaced, just like a car's failed wheel bearing, failed >throwout bearing, etc. You don't junk a car at the first bearing failure.
On 6/11/2025 8:50 PM, cyclintom wrote:of the blades are traveling just under the speed of sound and shaking everything to pieces.
On Wed Jun 11 19:44:43 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/11/2025 4:42 PM, cyclintom wrote:
Energy prices have skyrocketed over the last 12 months as the wind and solar farms have gotten to the point of needing replacement.
Hmm. How odd. I see no replacements happening in any of the solar
installations in my area. Not many wind turbines here, but the ones I
saw along Lake Erie last week seemed to be churning away as usual.
I'd ask for sources of information, but I know the real source is the
voice in Tom's brain.
Frank, stop acting like a single point in time is proof of anything. The 120 foot windmills require REGULAR replacement of the blades. They are NOT recyclable and are normally simply buried. And the attached generators burn out often because the ends
Solar farms leave the dead cells in place until they begin to show steep drops in power output. What's more solar farms are OFTEN left in place and simply deserted. The Mojave Desert here is rife with them.
I'm struck by the complete lack of numbers in that post, in addition to
the complete lack of citations.
As usual for Tom, of course. We're supposed to believe in the voices in--
Tom's head as the ultimate source of truth.
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 17:49:59 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 6/12/2025 3:31 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Amazing. I didn't know that turbine tip speed destroyed generators.
Usually, the gearbox wears out before the generator.
"Wind turbine gearboxes: When is 20 years not 20 years?"
<https://tamarindo.global/insight/analysis/wind-turbine-gearboxes-when-is-20-years-not-20-years/>
"So almost all gearboxes in a wind farm are likely to fail within 20
years."
I'm pretty skeptical about that site's claims.
You're probably correct. I picked an article that Tom could hopefully understand.
"It is well-known that many wind turbine gearboxes have a design life of
20 years.
To split hairs, there's no such thing as a "design life". There is
basic rating life (L10), recommended bearing service life, modified
rating life, and some calculated rating life based on application and environmental considerations.
"Calculation of service life" <https://koyo.jtekt.co.jp/en/support/bearing-knowledge/5-2000.html>
"Wind Turbine Main Bearing Rating Lives as Determined by IEC 61400-1
and ISO 281"
<https://docs.nrel.gov/docs/fy23osti/86299.pdf>
"Field data show 22 - 25% failure rate at year 20"
Source for the above is:
"Main Bearing Replacement and Damage - A Field Data Study on 15
Gigawatts of Wind Energy Capacity" <https://docs.nrel.gov/docs/fy23osti/86228.pdf>
See Pg 10 "Results". Read the analysis. A 95% confidence survival
estimate of bearing life is usually done with the Kaplan-Meier
calculator:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaplan%E2%80%93Meier_estimator>
although there are other methods: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survival_analysis>
"However, it is also well-known that a great number of gearboxes don’t
last for 20 years and fail prematurely. Why the discrepancy?
Because "design life" (whatever that might be) and premature failure
are two different calculations. Design life is probably the MTBF of
all the bearing components when they are simply multiplied together.
The premature failure calculation is probably where 95% of the bearing assemblies survive to 20 years.
"The answer lies in the way that gear and bearing lives are defined. We
can’t predict the exact date on which a component will fail, but we can
estimate the probability that it will last for a given duration.
Yep. That's where the 95% survival rate comes from.
"A very simple calculation shows that, if we combine the expected life
for every bearing in a drivetrain to calculate a â€system level’ life,
the probability of one or more bearings failing within 20 years is up to
93%. So almost all gearboxes in a wind farm are likely to fail within 20
years. It seems shocking, but isn’t far from reality."
Well, one mistake. The 93% is the survival rate, not the failure
rate. The big problem is that the author does not mention the bathtub
curve.
<https://upkeep.com/learning/bathtub-curve/>
That's where there are more failures at the beginning (initial
manufacturing and installation errors) and at the end of life. In
between, there are few failures. The trick is to replace the part
before end of life.
They seem to be implying that each gear, bearing, shaft, etc. are
individually designed for 20 year life, but that because there are
always some premature failures, 93% will have _something_ fail sooner
than 20 years.
That was the mistake I previously mentioned, where the 93% is the
survival rate and not the failure rate. Does a 7% failure rate sound
more reasonable? Go to:
<https://upkeep.com/learning/bathtub-curve/>
See graph on page 12. The author calls it "hazard rate" or
"conditional failure rate".
"In the current context, h(t) estimates the probability of a main
bearing being replaced in the next month, given that it has survived
to time, t (for t in years)."
Notice from the graph that for most of the 20 years, the "hazard rate"
is 0.015%.
ISTM that doesn't mean the wind turbine comes down. It means the failed
bearing must be replaced, just like a car's failed wheel bearing, failed
throwout bearing, etc. You don't junk a car at the first bearing failure.
Agreed. That's the likely conclusion based on our life's experiences. However, the problem here is how to correctly calculate when
replacement is necessary.
On 6/12/2025 7:28 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 17:49:59 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 6/12/2025 3:31 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Amazing. I didn't know that turbine tip speed destroyed
generators.
Usually, the gearbox wears out before the generator.
"Wind turbine gearboxes: When is 20 years not 20 years?"
<https://tamarindo.global/insight/analysis/wind-turbine-
gearboxes-when-is-20-years-not-20-years/>
"So almost all gearboxes in a wind farm are likely to
fail within 20
years."
I'm pretty skeptical about that site's claims.
You're probably correct. I picked an article that Tom
could hopefully
understand.
"It is well-known that many wind turbine gearboxes have a
design life of
20 years.
To split hairs, there's no such thing as a "design life".
There is
basic rating life (L10), recommended bearing service life,
modified
rating life, and some calculated rating life based on
application and
environmental considerations.
"Calculation of service life"
<https://koyo.jtekt.co.jp/en/support/bearing-
knowledge/5-2000.html>
"Wind Turbine Main Bearing Rating Lives as Determined by
IEC 61400-1
and ISO 281"
<https://docs.nrel.gov/docs/fy23osti/86299.pdf>
"Field data show 22 - 25% failure rate at year 20"
Source for the above is:
"Main Bearing Replacement and Damage - A Field Data Study
on 15
Gigawatts of Wind Energy Capacity"
<https://docs.nrel.gov/docs/fy23osti/86228.pdf>
See Pg 10 "Results". Read the analysis. A 95% confidence
survival
estimate of bearing life is usually done with the Kaplan-
Meier
calculator:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Kaplan%E2%80%93Meier_estimator>
although there are other methods:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survival_analysis>
"However, it is also well-known that a great number of
gearboxes don’t
last for 20 years and fail prematurely. Why the discrepancy?
Because "design life" (whatever that might be) and
premature failure
are two different calculations. Design life is probably
the MTBF of
all the bearing components when they are simply multiplied
together.
The premature failure calculation is probably where 95% of
the bearing
assemblies survive to 20 years.
There's quite a bit of math that. A major portion of my job
is Functional Safety per IEC 61508 for the purpose of
assigning a Safety Integrity Level (SIL) based on calculated
failure rates. When calculating random (vs systematic)
failure rates we take into account individual component
failure rates, the effect of those failures on the system ,
functional redundancies, system diagnostic % coverage and
frequency, and maintenance regimens (called 'proof
testing'). There are slightly different calculation process
for hardware and software - Systems with programming
controls need to undergo line-by-line input/output
validation and fault injection testing.
That number then gets crunched in with the design analysis
for systematic failures (design flaws), as well as the
ranking of process control and competence level of the
humans involved.
All this data is processed with a Markov technique analyzing
failure modes and effects with each state and state transition.
All of that then gets scored into failure types as Safe
Detected (SD), Safe Undetected (SU), Dangerous Detected (DD)
and Dangerous Undetected (DU).
Once you have all the calculated failures rates, diagnostic
coverage calculations, and failure type score, you plop it
into this formula to get your Probability of Failure on
Demand (PFD):
PFDAVG–1oo1= ((CPT*λDU*TI)/2)+(λDD*MTTR) + ((1 –CPT*λDU*LT)/2)
Where:
PFDAVG–1oo1= Average Probability of Failure on Demand
λDU= Dangerous Undetected failure rate
λDD= Dangerous Detected failure rate
TI= Proof Test Interval
MTTR= Mean Time To Restore
CPT= Manual Proof Test Coverage = λDD/ (λDD+ λDU)
LT= Lifetime of the system
That's a dramatic over simplification of the SIL
calculation. This is a good primer:
https://risknowlogy.com/articles/detail/16704/
but still doesn't reveal the intricacies of the 1000 page
61508 standard.
"The answer lies in the way that gear and bearing lives
are defined. We
can’t predict the exact date on which a component will
fail, but we can
estimate the probability that it will last for a given
duration.
Yep. That's where the 95% survival rate comes from.
"A very simple calculation shows that, if we combine the
expected life
for every bearing in a drivetrain to calculate a â€system
level’ life,
the probability of one or more bearings failing within 20
years is up to
93%. So almost all gearboxes in a wind farm are likely to
fail within 20
years. It seems shocking, but isn’t far from reality."
Well, one mistake. The 93% is the survival rate, not the
failure
rate. The big problem is that the author does not mention
the bathtub
curve.
<https://upkeep.com/learning/bathtub-curve/>
That's where there are more failures at the beginning
(initial
manufacturing and installation errors) and at the end of
life. In
between, there are few failures. The trick is to replace
the part
before end of life.
They seem to be implying that each gear, bearing, shaft,
etc. are
individually designed for 20 year life, but that because
there are
always some premature failures, 93% will have _something_
fail sooner
than 20 years.
That was the mistake I previously mentioned, where the 93%
is the
survival rate and not the failure rate. Does a 7% failure
rate sound
more reasonable? Go to:
<https://upkeep.com/learning/bathtub-curve/>
See graph on page 12. The author calls it "hazard rate" or
"conditional failure rate".
"In the current context, h(t) estimates the probability of
a main
bearing being replaced in the next month, given that it
has survived
to time, t (for t in years)."
Notice from the graph that for most of the 20 years, the
"hazard rate"
is 0.015%.
That's when regular performance tests are helpful. In the
case of generators, you might want to periodically measure
things like spin-down as an indication of bearing wear. A
bicycle analogy would be measuring chain wear. Replacing a
worn chain based on an established metric like stretch
reduces the likely hood of a chain failure when riding (in
the SIL world that would be reducing the Probability of
Failure on Demand)
ISTM that doesn't mean the wind turbine comes down. It
means the failed
bearing must be replaced, just like a car's failed wheel
bearing, failed
throwout bearing, etc. You don't junk a car at the first
bearing failure.
Agreed. That's the likely conclusion based on our life's
experiences.
However, the problem here is how to correctly calculate when
replacement is necessary.
On 6/13/2025 9:55 AM, AMuzi wrote:
I perused some engineering papers on MTBF for windmills
and solar arrays yesterday and concluded... nothing.
These complex systems have many components and subsystems
each with their own bath tub curves. Many if not most are
'repair', not 'replace' so an overall assessment of time
to failure for the entire structure is largely conjecture.
That said, a quick perusal of banking guidelines for
financing of windmills and solar arrays shows that the
usual '20 year life' is almost never achieved.
I'd be interested in data, links, etc.
ISTM what matters is not "did it last 20 years?" but "was it
worth the investment?"
And speaking of solar arrays: I spent the day visiting rural friends
about an hour away. They took me on a driving tour of a massive solar >installation near their home. Crews are laying foundations for hundreds
of acres of solar panels, projected to produce hundreds of megaWatts.
Some big company is betting heavily that the investment is going to pay
off.
About the blank keyboard, I dimly remember reading about some sort of experiment where users learned an internet password entirely by touch,
so they "knew" it but could generally not say what the letters were.
On 6/13/2025 11:49 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/13/2025 10:17 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/13/2025 9:55 AM, AMuzi wrote:There's lots of study, as with any large capital project.
I perused some engineering papers on MTBF for windmills and solar
arrays yesterday and concluded... nothing.
These complex systems have many components and subsystems each with
their own bath tub curves. Many if not most are 'repair', not
'replace' so an overall assessment of time to failure for the entire
structure is largely conjecture.
That said, a quick perusal of banking guidelines for financing of
windmills and solar arrays shows that the usual '20 year life' is
almost never achieved.
I'd be interested in data, links, etc.
ISTM what matters is not "did it last 20 years?" but "was it worth the
investment?"
https://energyfollower.com/how-long-do-wind-turbines-last/
https://docs.nrel.gov/docs/fy24osti/88335.pdf
https://hbr.org/2024/02/the-long-term-costs-of-wind-turbines
I'm not seeing an answer to my question "was it worth the investment?"
The first link seems to say little more than "it is largely unknown how
long they will be operable" although it does contain lots of numbers.
The second link is a bit too long and dense for me to easily process.
Was there a certain part of it you'd like to emphasize?
The third link says, mostly "offshore wind plants may be very expensive
to take down someday."
None of the three seem to address my question. I'm very skeptical that
all the engineers, accountants and business strategists at the relevant
firms are somehow overlooking economics that will make these things
money losers.
A not obvious issue is 'define life'. Like that old hammer which has
only had three handles and a new head. Expect to replace blades, and/or
rotor assembly and/or turbine assembly at about ten years. And that's
expensive, being up in the air at a remote location...
I'd assume that's been factored in before the construction started. Much
like "Should I buy this car?" followed by "Holy cow, I didn't remember
it was going to need gasoline! And oil changes!!"
Which doesn't mean they don't work or can't produce electricity
(although output does degrade over time).
It's not clear to me why a wind turbine's output would significantly
decrease over time. I imagine some drop in efficiency as blades
accumulate surface debris, but I would expect that drop to be fairly small.
And speaking of solar arrays: I spent the day visiting rural friends
about an hour away. They took me on a driving tour of a massive solar >installation near their home. Crews are laying foundations for hundreds
of acres of solar panels, projected to produce hundreds of megaWatts.
Some big company is betting heavily that the investment is going to pay
off.
On 6/13/2025 11:49 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/13/2025 10:17 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/13/2025 9:55 AM, AMuzi wrote:There's lots of study, as with any large capital project.
I perused some engineering papers on MTBF for windmills
and solar arrays yesterday and concluded... nothing.
These complex systems have many components and
subsystems each with their own bath tub curves. Many if
not most are 'repair', not 'replace' so an overall
assessment of time to failure for the entire structure
is largely conjecture.
That said, a quick perusal of banking guidelines for
financing of windmills and solar arrays shows that the
usual '20 year life' is almost never achieved.
I'd be interested in data, links, etc.
ISTM what matters is not "did it last 20 years?" but "was
it worth the investment?"
https://energyfollower.com/how-long-do-wind-turbines-last/
https://docs.nrel.gov/docs/fy24osti/88335.pdf
https://hbr.org/2024/02/the-long-term-costs-of-wind-turbines
I'm not seeing an answer to my question "was it worth the
investment?"
The first link seems to say little more than "it is largely
unknown how long they will be operable" although it does
contain lots of numbers.
The second link is a bit too long and dense for me to easily
process. Was there a certain part of it you'd like to
emphasize?
The third link says, mostly "offshore wind plants may be
very expensive to take down someday."
None of the three seem to address my question. I'm very
skeptical that all the engineers, accountants and business
strategists at the relevant firms are somehow overlooking
economics that will make these things money losers.
A not obvious issue is 'define life'. Like that old
hammer which has only had three handles and a new head.
Expect to replace blades, and/or rotor assembly and/or
turbine assembly at about ten years. And that's expensive,
being up in the air at a remote location...
I'd assume that's been factored in before the construction
started. Much like "Should I buy this car?" followed by
"Holy cow, I didn't remember it was going to need gasoline!
And oil changes!!"
Which doesn't mean they don't work or can't produce
electricity (although output does degrade over time).
It's not clear to me why a wind turbine's output would
significantly decrease over time. I imagine some drop in
efficiency as blades accumulate surface debris, but I would
expect that drop to be fairly small.
And speaking of solar arrays: I spent the day visiting rural
friends about an hour away. They took me on a driving tour
of a massive solar installation near their home. Crews are
laying foundations for hundreds of acres of solar panels,
projected to produce hundreds of megaWatts. Some big company
is betting heavily that the investment is going to pay off.
On 6/13/2025 11:49 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/13/2025 10:17 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/13/2025 9:55 AM, AMuzi wrote:There's lots of study, as with any large capital project.
I perused some engineering papers on MTBF for windmills and solar
arrays yesterday and concluded... nothing.
These complex systems have many components and subsystems each with
their own bath tub curves. Many if not most are 'repair', not
'replace' so an overall assessment of time to failure for the entire
structure is largely conjecture.
That said, a quick perusal of banking guidelines for financing of
windmills and solar arrays shows that the usual '20 year life' is
almost never achieved.
I'd be interested in data, links, etc.
ISTM what matters is not "did it last 20 years?" but "was it worth the
investment?"
https://energyfollower.com/how-long-do-wind-turbines-last/
https://docs.nrel.gov/docs/fy24osti/88335.pdf
https://hbr.org/2024/02/the-long-term-costs-of-wind-turbines
I'm not seeing an answer to my question "was it worth the investment?"
The first link seems to say little more than "it is largely unknown how
long they will be operable" although it does contain lots of numbers.
The second link is a bit too long and dense for me to easily process.
Was there a certain part of it you'd like to emphasize?
The third link says, mostly "offshore wind plants may be very expensive
to take down someday."
None of the three seem to address my question. I'm very skeptical that
all the engineers, accountants and business strategists at the relevant
firms are somehow overlooking economics that will make these things
money losers.
A not obvious issue is 'define life'. Like that old hammer which has
only had three handles and a new head. Expect to replace blades, and/or
rotor assembly and/or turbine assembly at about ten years. And that's
expensive, being up in the air at a remote location...
I'd assume that's been factored in before the construction started. Much
like "Should I buy this car?" followed by "Holy cow, I didn't remember
it was going to need gasoline! And oil changes!!"
Which doesn't mean they don't work or can't produce electricity
(although output does degrade over time).
It's not clear to me why a wind turbine's output would significantly
decrease over time. I imagine some drop in efficiency as blades
accumulate surface debris, but I would expect that drop to be fairly small.
And speaking of solar arrays: I spent the day visiting rural friends
about an hour away. They took me on a driving tour of a massive solar installation near their home. Crews are laying foundations for hundreds
of acres of solar panels, projected to produce hundreds of megaWatts.
Some big company is betting heavily that the investment is going to pay
off.
On 6/13/2025 9:19 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/13/2025 11:49 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/13/2025 10:17 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/13/2025 9:55 AM, AMuzi wrote:There's lots of study, as with any large capital project.
I perused some engineering papers on MTBF for windmills
and solar arrays yesterday and concluded... nothing.
These complex systems have many components and
subsystems each with their own bath tub curves. Many if
not most are 'repair', not 'replace' so an overall
assessment of time to failure for the entire structure
is largely conjecture.
That said, a quick perusal of banking guidelines for
financing of windmills and solar arrays shows that the
usual '20 year life' is almost never achieved.
I'd be interested in data, links, etc.
ISTM what matters is not "did it last 20 years?" but "was
it worth the investment?"
https://energyfollower.com/how-long-do-wind-turbines-last/
https://docs.nrel.gov/docs/fy24osti/88335.pdf
https://hbr.org/2024/02/the-long-term-costs-of-wind-turbines
I'm not seeing an answer to my question "was it worth the
investment?"
The first link seems to say little more than "it is largely
unknown how long they will be operable" although it does
contain lots of numbers.
The second link is a bit too long and dense for me to easily
process. Was there a certain part of it you'd like to
emphasize?
The third link says, mostly "offshore wind plants may be
very expensive to take down someday."
None of the three seem to address my question. I'm very
skeptical that all the engineers, accountants and business
strategists at the relevant firms are somehow overlooking
economics that will make these things money losers.
A not obvious issue is 'define life'. Like that old
hammer which has only had three handles and a new head.
Expect to replace blades, and/or rotor assembly and/or
turbine assembly at about ten years. And that's expensive,
being up in the air at a remote location...
I'd assume that's been factored in before the construction
started. Much like "Should I buy this car?" followed by
"Holy cow, I didn't remember it was going to need gasoline!
And oil changes!!"
Which doesn't mean they don't work or can't produce
electricity (although output does degrade over time).
It's not clear to me why a wind turbine's output would
significantly decrease over time. I imagine some drop in
efficiency as blades accumulate surface debris, but I would
expect that drop to be fairly small.
And speaking of solar arrays: I spent the day visiting rural
friends about an hour away. They took me on a driving tour
of a massive solar installation near their home. Crews are
laying foundations for hundreds of acres of solar panels,
projected to produce hundreds of megaWatts. Some big company
is betting heavily that the investment is going to pay off.
Solar arrays absolutely degrade over time. This is well known: >https://energytheory.com/solar-panel-efficiency-over-time/
Wind turbines as well: >https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0960148116307194
Again, that is not to say they don't work.
Another aspect of efficiency is cost and price of the output
power. With massive public subsidies, yes, electricity is
produced. Even with that financial bump, electricity prices
have surged well beyond general inflation or coal/oil/gas
prices, and moreso where governmental incentives have skewed
development to solar and wind.
The physics is not a mystery. The sociology/politics is also
pathetically obvious.
https://berteyorelia.pages.dev/hyqhndb-energy-prices-in-2024-photos-sbutiaf/
This is what modern cultures chose. The logic escapes me but
it's not my decision.
On 6/14/2025 9:09 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/13/2025 9:19 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
It's not clear to me why a wind turbine's output would
significantly decrease over time. I imagine some drop in
efficiency as blades accumulate surface debris, but I
would expect that drop to be fairly small.
And speaking of solar arrays: I spent the day visiting
rural friends about an hour away. They took me on a
driving tour of a massive solar installation near their
home. Crews are laying foundations for hundreds of acres
of solar panels, projected to produce hundreds of
megaWatts. Some big company is betting heavily that the
investment is going to pay off.
Solar arrays absolutely degrade over time. This is well
known:
https://energytheory.com/solar-panel-efficiency-over-time/
Wind turbines as well:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/
S0960148116307194
Again, that is not to say they don't work.
Right. In another parallel situation, it's well known that
cars' and trucks' and houses' and buildings' efficiencies
decrease over time, that they require expensive maintenance,
and that they eventually become mostly landfill fodder. That
doesn't stop people from buying and using the things.
Like so many things, it comes down to benefits vs.
detriments; or "Is it a worthwhile investment?"
Another aspect of efficiency is cost and price of the
output power. With massive public subsidies, yes,
electricity is produced. Even with that financial bump,
electricity prices have surged well beyond general
inflation or coal/oil/gas prices, and moreso where
governmental incentives have skewed development to solar
and wind.
All the data I see says that even unsubsidized, solar and
wind generation is cheaper than coal, gas, oil and nuclear.
For example
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Levelized_cost_of_electricity#/media/ File:Electricity_costs_in_dollars_according_to_data_from_Lazard.png>
(I'm trying Jeff's angle brackets.)
The physics is not a mystery. The sociology/politics is
also pathetically obvious.
Oh, it is! We've subsidized oil and coal for generations!
And nearly half the political spectrum says we must continue
to do so, but never help any non-polluting "woke" sources of
energy! It's pathetically obvious!
On 6/14/2025 9:09 AM, AMuzi wrote:
The sociology/politics is also pathetically obvious.
... The logic escapes me but it's not my decision.
More on that point: Ohio's legislature has made it possible
for townships to outlaw large solar projects on a person's
own property. And many rural voters (guess which way they
lean politically?) are posting signs and voting "No Large
Scale Solar!"
<https://www.cantonrep.com/story/opinion/ editorials/2024/05/05/stark-county-townships-say-no-to- solar-and-wind-farms-but-why/73529586007/>
I read a news article about a young couple who had had tried
farming their rural acreage (IIRC hundreds of acres) and who
wanted to do a solar farm. They said it would be the only
practical way of keeping their property.
The township citizens complained and petitioned to prohibit
the project, saying things like "I moved to the country to
see nature, not solar panels!" The couple countered that the
panels would be invisible from other properties, hidden
behind trees. No matter. The township said "No."
So much for property rights and logic.
On 6/14/2025 9:09 AM, AMuzi wrote:
The sociology/politics is also
pathetically obvious.
... The logic escapes me but it's not my
decision.
More on that point: Ohio's legislature has made it possible for
townships to outlaw large solar projects on a person's own property. And
many rural voters (guess which way they lean politically?) are posting
signs and voting "No Large Scale Solar!"
<https://www.cantonrep.com/story/opinion/editorials/2024/05/05/stark-county-townships-say-no-to-solar-and-wind-farms-but-why/73529586007/>
I read a news article about a young couple who had had tried farming
their rural acreage (IIRC hundreds of acres) and who wanted to do a
solar farm. They said it would be the only practical way of keeping
their property.
The township citizens complained and petitioned to prohibit the project, >saying things like "I moved to the country to see nature, not solar
panels!" The couple countered that the panels would be invisible from
other properties, hidden behind trees. No matter. The township said "No."
So much for property rights and logic.
On 6/14/2025 12:06 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 11:37:21 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 6/14/2025 9:09 AM, AMuzi wrote:
The sociology/politics is also
pathetically obvious.
... The logic escapes me but it's not my
decision.
More on that point: Ohio's legislature has made it possible for
townships to outlaw large solar projects on a person's own property. And >>> many rural voters (guess which way they lean politically?) are posting
signs and voting "No Large Scale Solar!"
<https://www.cantonrep.com/story/opinion/editorials/2024/05/05/stark-county-townships-say-no-to-solar-and-wind-farms-but-why/73529586007/>
I read a news article about a young couple who had had tried farming
their rural acreage (IIRC hundreds of acres) and who wanted to do a
solar farm. They said it would be the only practical way of keeping
their property.
The township citizens complained and petitioned to prohibit the project, >>> saying things like "I moved to the country to see nature, not solar
panels!" The couple countered that the panels would be invisible from
other properties, hidden behind trees. No matter. The township said "No." >>>
So much for property rights and logic.
Another undocumented Krygowski anecdote.
<https://www.vindy.com/news/local-news/2023/11/county-no-solar-wind-farms-in-green/>
All the data I see says that even unsubsidized, solar and wind
generation is cheaper than coal, gas, oil and nuclear. For example
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levelized_cost_of_electricity#/media/File:Electricity_costs_in_dollars_according_to_data_from_Lazard.png>
(I'm trying Jeff's angle brackets.)
On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 11:26:55 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
All the data I see says that even unsubsidized, solar and wind
generation is cheaper than coal, gas, oil and nuclear. For example
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levelized_cost_of_electricity#/media/File:Electricity_costs_in_dollars_according_to_data_from_Lazard.png>
The last LCOE report by Lazard was for 2024 energy costs. 48 pages: ><https://www.lazard.com/media/xemfey0k/lazards-lcoeplus-june-2024-_vf.pdf>
I use it as a reference when I try to compare various energy sources.
I think it's worth reading (or skimming).
It's a deep dive, with tables and graphs, for most energy sources
including cost of capital, inflation, carbon pricing, hybrid power
sources, subsides, energy storage, etc. There's also a section in the >appendix showing how some of the numbers were calculated.
Despite the detail, the studies and reports are not considered
sufficient by some zero emissions organizations:
"LCOE has ‘significant limitations’ and is overused, says CATF (Clean
Air Task Force)". (June 13, 2025) ><https://www.utilitydive.com/news/levelized-cost-electricity-lcoe-limitations-analysis-catf-report/750657/>
"Five reasons why power system strategies need more than LCOE" ><https://www.catf.us/2025/06/five-reasons-why-power-system-strategies-need-more-than-lcoe/>
(I'm trying Jeff's angle brackets.)
Much better and thanks for listening. Notice that my news reader
(Forte Agent 8.00) did not mangle your URL citation.
On 6/13/2025 9:19 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
It's not clear to me why a wind turbine's output would
significantly decrease over time. I imagine some drop in
efficiency as blades accumulate surface debris, but I would
expect that drop to be fairly small.
And speaking of solar arrays: I spent the day visiting rural
friends about an hour away. They took me on a driving tour
of a massive solar installation near their home. Crews are
laying foundations for hundreds of acres of solar panels,
projected to produce hundreds of megaWatts. Some big company
is betting heavily that the investment is going to pay off.
Solar arrays absolutely degrade over time. This is well known: >https://energytheory.com/solar-panel-efficiency-over-time/
Wind turbines as well: >https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0960148116307194
Again, that is not to say they don't work.
Another aspect of efficiency is cost and price of the output
power. With massive public subsidies, yes, electricity is
produced. Even with that financial bump, electricity prices
have surged well beyond general inflation or coal/oil/gas
prices, and moreso where governmental incentives have skewed
development to solar and wind.
The physics is not a mystery. The sociology/politics is also
pathetically obvious.
https://berteyorelia.pages.dev/hyqhndb-energy-prices-in-2024-photos-sbutiaf/
This is what modern cultures chose. The logic escapes me but
it's not my decision.
All the data I see says that even unsubsidized, solar and wind
generation is cheaper than coal, gas, oil and nuclear. For example
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levelized_cost_of_electricity#/media/File:Electricity_costs_in_dollars_according_to_data_from_Lazard.png>
(I'm trying Jeff's angle brackets.)
The physics is not a mystery. The sociology/politics is also
pathetically obvious.
Oh, it is! We've subsidized oil and coal for generations! And nearly
half the political spectrum says we must continue to do so, but never
help any non-polluting "woke" sources of energy! It's pathetically obvious!
On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 11:37:21 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 6/14/2025 9:09 AM, AMuzi wrote:
The sociology/politics is also
pathetically obvious.
... The logic escapes me but it's not my
decision.
More on that point: Ohio's legislature has made it possible for
townships to outlaw large solar projects on a person's own property. And >>many rural voters (guess which way they lean politically?) are posting >>signs and voting "No Large Scale Solar!"
<https://www.cantonrep.com/story/opinion/editorials/2024/05/05/stark-county-townships-say-no-to-solar-and-wind-farms-but-why/73529586007/>
I read a news article about a young couple who had had tried farming
their rural acreage (IIRC hundreds of acres) and who wanted to do a
solar farm. They said it would be the only practical way of keeping
their property.
The township citizens complained and petitioned to prohibit the project, >>saying things like "I moved to the country to see nature, not solar >>panels!" The couple countered that the panels would be invisible from
other properties, hidden behind trees. No matter. The township said "No."
So much for property rights and logic.
Another undocumented Krygowski anecdote.
On 6/14/2025 2:58 PM, Shadow wrote:
Someone once pointed to all the potential chemical uses for oil
Even A. Muzi's article said that UN-SUBSIDIZED wind/solar
energy is cheaper than SUBSIDIZED fossil fuel energy.
It's weird countries still burn oil to produce energy.
products, and said burning oil to create energy is like burning a
Gutenberg Bible to heat a cup of coffee.
On 6/14/2025 12:06 PM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 11:37:21 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 6/14/2025 9:09 AM, AMuzi wrote:
The sociology/politics is also
pathetically obvious.
... The logic escapes me but it's not my
decision.
More on that point: Ohio's legislature has made it possible for
townships to outlaw large solar projects on a person's own property. And >>> many rural voters (guess which way they lean politically?) are posting
signs and voting "No Large Scale Solar!"
<https://www.cantonrep.com/story/opinion/editorials/2024/05/05/stark-
county-townships-say-no-to-solar-and-wind-farms-but-why/73529586007/>
I read a news article about a young couple who had had tried farming
their rural acreage (IIRC hundreds of acres) and who wanted to do a
solar farm. They said it would be the only practical way of keeping
their property.
The township citizens complained and petitioned to prohibit the project, >>> saying things like "I moved to the country to see nature, not solar
panels!" The couple countered that the panels would be invisible from
other properties, hidden behind trees. No matter. The township said
"No."
So much for property rights and logic.
Another undocumented Krygowski anecdote.
<https://www.vindy.com/news/local-news/2023/11/county-no-solar-wind- farms-in-green/>
On 6/14/2025 12:32 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/14/2025 12:06 PM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 11:37:21 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 6/14/2025 9:09 AM, AMuzi wrote:
The sociology/politics is also
pathetically obvious.
... The logic escapes me but it's not my
decision.
More on that point: Ohio's legislature has made it possible for
townships to outlaw large solar projects on a person's own property. And >>>> many rural voters (guess which way they lean politically?) are posting >>>> signs and voting "No Large Scale Solar!"
<https://www.cantonrep.com/story/opinion/editorials/2024/05/05/stark-
county-townships-say-no-to-solar-and-wind-farms-but-why/73529586007/>
I read a news article about a young couple who had had tried farming
their rural acreage (IIRC hundreds of acres) and who wanted to do a
solar farm. They said it would be the only practical way of keeping
their property.
The township citizens complained and petitioned to prohibit the project, >>>> saying things like "I moved to the country to see nature, not solar
panels!" The couple countered that the panels would be invisible from
other properties, hidden behind trees. No matter. The township said
"No."
So much for property rights and logic.
Another undocumented Krygowski anecdote.
<https://www.vindy.com/news/local-news/2023/11/county-no-solar-wind-
farms-in-green/>
lol....dumbass gets bitch-slapped again....
On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 23:44:50 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 6/14/2025 2:58 PM, Shadow wrote:
Someone once pointed to all the potential chemical uses for oil
Even A. Muzi's article said that UN-SUBSIDIZED wind/solar
energy is cheaper than SUBSIDIZED fossil fuel energy.
It's weird countries still burn oil to produce energy.
products, and said burning oil to create energy is like burning a
Gutenberg Bible to heat a cup of coffee.
Indeed. Better to burn coal or natural gas.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On 6/15/2025 3:11 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 23:44:50 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 6/14/2025 2:58 PM, Shadow wrote:
Someone once pointed to all the potential chemical uses for oil
Even A. Muzi's article said that UN-SUBSIDIZED wind/solar
energy is cheaper than SUBSIDIZED fossil fuel energy.
It's weird countries still burn oil to produce energy.
products, and said burning oil to create energy is like burning a
Gutenberg Bible to heat a cup of coffee.
Indeed. Better to burn coal or natural gas.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Logically, nuclear =>steam =>electricity makes more sense.
We recycle damn near everything- iron and steel for well
over a hundred years, glass nearly as long, lead, copper,
paper, etc.
Exceptions are polymers (dismally low rate, as the recycling
cost approaches new production) and nuclear material for
which we're alone on the earth in having prohibited
recycling. That end-cost weighs heavily even with the other
layers of regulation.
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 23:52:57 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sat May 31 11:01:29 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On 31 May 2025 12:18:43 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
I remember having a conversation with a colleague who was from Ugandan
originally who was going though citizenship and that folks knowledge of >> >Ugandan so I asked her to tell me about the Brecon Beacons or the Welsh >> >Valleys, or maybe the Welsh knot? To her credit she accepted that despite >> >living only 2hrs away she had no idea of Wales which as she said was tad >> >embarrassing.
That's typical. Test yourself and see how well you remember. I'll
trust you not to cheat or peek.
- Name a few (about 5) local elected officials and their positions.
- How many steps do you climb before entering your house?
- What are the first few letters on the bottom row of a QWERTY
keyboard?
- Point in the direction of true north and compare with true north on
a map.
- How many points (or grooves) on a Torx driver?
- Is the LEFT bicycle pedal spindle LR or RH thread?
- Calculator and telephone keyboards are different. For each type, is
the "0" key in the top row or bottom row of the keyboard?
- How much dirt is in a hole 2 x 2 x 2 meters (or 2 x 2 x 2 yards)?
- What is the current cost of a first class US postage stamp? (US
only)
- How many barlycorns in 1 inch? (UK only)
- Who is on the front of a US $10 bill? (US only)
- What is on the back of a US $10 bill? (US only)
- Home doors open inward or outward?
- Commercial building doors open inward or outward?
- From memory, itemize the larger items in your refrigerator.
That should be sufficient. These are common things that we deal with
daily, yet typically do NOT remember when asked. We hardly ever think
about the more commonplace items that don't require much attention.
Visitors to my area frequently ask for directions. I've been living
here about 50 years and still can't remember the names of the local
roads:
<https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/1540-Jackson-Ave.jpg>
I could probably add some more examples after the phone decides to
stop ringing.
<https://photos.app.goo.gl/jWG5iNb8hKWa9QJu6>
(I couldn't resist and bought this yesterday at a local auto parts
store).
Of what consequence is any of that?
Since no action was taken, there can be no consequences.
No one uses $10 bills except to make change for a $20 bill.
I'm impressed. Is it true that millionaires, such as yourself, only
traffic large denomination currency?
Should they notice the Presoident who is on it?
Ok, failed the test. Don't worry. Most people taking the test also
failed.
Who is "they"? You've probably handled thousands of US federal
reserve notes. Why didn't you take the time to read what's on both
sides? Why can't you remember who is on the front and what is on the
back? I explained how it works in: <https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=126762&group=rec.bicycles.tech#126762>
Or is perhaps the value written on it more important?
Maybe, but I don't think so. If the value was more important the
person on the front of the bill, we wouldn't call it a "ten dollar
bill" but instead call it a "Hamilton" note.
Incidentally, the memory problem extends to coins, which also have
person on the front and a building on the back. Most people
(including me) don't do any better remembering coins than paper money.
Do you have the slightest idea of why home doors swing inward? Or why commercial buildings open outward?
Yes, I do. I explained it here: <https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=126676&group=rec.bicycles.tech#126676>
Think about screen doors.
I remember reading about him back in the day. Aside from the amazing
level of electronic technology, I was amazed by his typing system. As I recall, his handlebars had far fewer keys than a standard computer
keyboard. He typed as he rode by hitting multiple keys to represent each letter he wanted to type.
Learning to type on a different type of keyboard, such as European or
Dvorak, is difficult enough. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvorak_keyboard_layout https://www.farah.cl/Keyboardery/A-Visual-Comparison-of-Different-National-Layouts/#da
Learning to type on Roberts' system must have been like learning to play
a musical instrument designed by an outer space alien.
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 16:37:05 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 6/11/2025 3:06 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Wed Jun 11 05:02:30 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:Good grief, you two are sunk in MAGA mud up to your ears. Look, I don't >approve of burning cars. But _non_ violent protests are legal, and cops >could have handled the tiny minority who were violent.
I have to wonder how the protestors make a living.
More significantly - they have come from all over the country - where did they get the money to do this?
But how do protesters make a living? Well, there were non-violent
protests near here weeks ago. I didn't attend, but I knew people who
did. Retired teachers. A retired electrician. A librarian. A restaurant >owner. A couple engineers, and more. It doesn't take a fortune to hold a >picket sign.
Wow, another personal anecdote from the guy who says personal
anecdotes don't count.
And how would they have gotten across country? Well, I recently did it
just on saved-up credit card points; but most protesters probably
traveled less than a day's drive.
Assumes "facts" not in evidense.
Your political views are built almost entirely on fantasy - murder rates >that are surging (except they're actually going down), millions of false >election votes (that have never, ever been found despite searches in >hundreds of jurisdictions),
How would anyone tell if votes were illegal?
immigrants eating people's dogs and cats
(got evidence? got recipes?), "peaceful protesters" who accidentally >assaulted police and smashed Capitol windows to burst in, and tacky gold >plated billionaires who really, really care about _you_.
They call that "what aboutisms."
Krogrowski repeats what he's heard from the same people who told him
tha Joe Biden was capable of being the President.
On 6/11/2025 6:38 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/11/2025 5:47 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/11/2025 3:37 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/11/2025 3:06 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Wed Jun 11 05:02:30 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:Good grief, you two are sunk in MAGA mud up to your ears.
I have to wonder how the protestors make a living.
More significantly - they have come from all over the
country - where did they get the money to do this?
Look, I don't approve of burning cars. But _non_ violent
protests are legal, and cops could have handled the tiny
minority who were violent.
But how do protesters make a living? Well, there were
non- violent protests near here weeks ago. I didn't
attend, but I knew people who did. Retired teachers. A
retired electrician. A librarian. A restaurant owner. A
couple engineers, and more. It doesn't take a fortune to
hold a picket sign.
And how would they have gotten across country? Well, I
recently did it just on saved-up credit card points; but
most protesters probably traveled less than a day's drive.
Your political views are built almost entirely on fantasy
- murder rates that are surging (except they're actually
going down), millions of false election votes (that have
never, ever been found despite searches in hundreds of
jurisdictions), immigrants eating people's dogs and cats
(got evidence? got recipes?), "peaceful protesters" who
accidentally assaulted police and smashed Capitol windows
to burst in, and tacky gold plated billionaires who
really, really care about _you_.
With video:
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/overnight-looting-
follows-4th-day-of- anti-ice-protests-in-downtown-l-a-
bass-blames-raids/
Peaceful assembly and petitioning of grievances is a good
thing. I have participated many times. We agree strongly
on that.
Burning your own car is probably legal, but burning other
people's cars, looting, attacking LE and such is described
in the law as 'mob action' or 'riot' and goes well beyond
protected rights.
Right. Mob violence is illegal and should be prosecuted. As
your video promised, those perps will be prosecuted.
I just hope the perps are dealt with properly - as opposed
to the perps who attacked the U.S. Capitol intent on
disrupting critical congressional procedures, who assaulted
police, damaged our most sacred public property, horrified
all conscientious observers worldwide, but who were pardoned
by the guy responsible for generating it all.
We agree again.
About two dozen people on 6 January attacked police. Out of
some 1500 persons jailed, most for 'misdemeanor trespass' in
a public building/park.
That's all well and fine but the protestors in LA were bussed in from all over the US and they weren't paying for it.
The FBI picked up, arrested and held in solitary confinement for over 6 months people who were nowhere near the federal capital.
On Wed Jun 11 18:37:53 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 16:37:05 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 6/11/2025 3:06 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Wed Jun 11 05:02:30 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:Good grief, you two are sunk in MAGA mud up to your ears. Look, I don't
I have to wonder how the protestors make a living.
More significantly - they have come from all over the country - where did they get the money to do this?
approve of burning cars. But _non_ violent protests are legal, and cops
could have handled the tiny minority who were violent.
But how do protesters make a living? Well, there were non-violent
protests near here weeks ago. I didn't attend, but I knew people who
did. Retired teachers. A retired electrician. A librarian. A restaurant
owner. A couple engineers, and more. It doesn't take a fortune to hold a
picket sign.
Wow, another personal anecdote from the guy who says personal
anecdotes don't count.
And how would they have gotten across country? Well, I recently did it
just on saved-up credit card points; but most protesters probably
traveled less than a day's drive.
Assumes "facts" not in evidense.
Your political views are built almost entirely on fantasy - murder rates
that are surging (except they're actually going down), millions of false
election votes (that have never, ever been found despite searches in
hundreds of jurisdictions),
How would anyone tell if votes were illegal?
immigrants eating people's dogs and cats
(got evidence? got recipes?), "peaceful protesters" who accidentally
assaulted police and smashed Capitol windows to burst in, and tacky gold
plated billionaires who really, really care about _you_.
They call that "what aboutisms."
Krogrowski repeats what he's heard from the same people who told him
tha Joe Biden was capable of being the President.
Frank doesn't use facts, he uses opinions stuck in his head by CNN and NBC.
On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 16:58:18 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
The FBI picked up, arrested and held in solitary confinement for over 6 months people who were nowhere near the federal capital.
Stop saying stuff like that. Post your sources and THEN give
your opinions.
Quoting anti-American #FAKE_NEWS as if it was fact is
treason.
[]'s
On 6/17/2025 12:55 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 16:58:18 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
The FBI picked up, arrested and held in solitary confinement for over 6 months people who were nowhere near the federal capital.
Stop saying stuff like that. Post your sources and THEN give
your opinions.
Quoting anti-American #FAKE_NEWS as if it was fact is
treason.
[]'s
There are dozens like this women. This is not news. as they
have been well reported for years:
https://nationalfile.com/video-69-year-old-cancer-patient-grandmother-gives-emotional-message-before-entering-prison-over-january-6th-charge/
'She said she was shoved into the building by the protestors--
behind her. “But if that’s what they wanted me to plead
guilty to, so I thought okay, my lawyer advised me,”
Hemphill explained.
'According to American Greatness, video footage from J6
shows Hemphill pleading with other protestors, telling them,
“Don’t steal. Don’t harm. That’s not good!'
https://gazette.com/news/crime/verdict-colorado-springs-area-resident-found-guilty-on-all-charges-in-capitol-breach-trial-in/article_41e439fe-f0fc-11ee-9887-4fc0904851b5.html
"she was inside the Capitol for 10 minutes "
That's all well and fine but the protestors in LA were bussed in from all over the US and they weren't paying for it.
On 6/17/2025 12:55 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 16:58:18 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
The FBI picked up, arrested and held in solitary confinement for over 6 months people who were nowhere near the federal capital.
Stop saying stuff like that. Post your sources and THEN give
your opinions.
Quoting anti-American #FAKE_NEWS as if it was fact is
treason.
[]'s
There are dozens like this women. This is not news. as they
have been well reported for years:
https://nationalfile.com/video-69-year-old-cancer-patient-grandmother-gives-emotional-message-before-entering-prison-over-january-6th-charge/
"she was inside the Capitol for 10 minutes "
On 6/17/2025 12:55 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 16:58:18 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
The FBI picked up, arrested and held in solitary confinement for over
6 months people who were nowhere near the federal capital.
    Stop saying stuff like that. Post your sources and THEN give
your opinions.
    Quoting anti-American #FAKE_NEWS as if it was fact is
treason.
    []'s
There are dozens like this women. This is not news. as they have been
well reported for years:
https://nationalfile.com/video-69-year-old-cancer-patient-grandmother- gives-emotional-message-before-entering-prison-over-january-6th-charge/
'She said she was shoved into the building by the protestors behind her. “But if that’s what they wanted me to plead guilty to, so I thought
okay, my lawyer advised me,” Hemphill explained.
'According to American Greatness, video footage from J6 shows Hemphill pleading with other protestors, telling them, “Don’t steal. Don’t harm. That’s not good!'
https://gazette.com/news/crime/verdict-colorado-springs-area-resident- found-guilty-on-all-charges-in-capitol-breach-trial-in/article_41e439fe- f0fc-11ee-9887-4fc0904851b5.html
"she was inside the Capitol for 10 minutes "
On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 16:51:35 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
That's all well and fine but the protestors in LA were bussed in from all over the US and they weren't paying for it.
Baloney. Officials closed some roads and off ramps in the downtown LA
area. Look at the photos of riots. Do you see any busses? All I can
find are police buses: <https://www.google.com/search?q=la%20protests%202025%20bus&udm=2>
No, not this bus:
<https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=495355400332239>
More: <https://southpasadenan.com/freeway-ramps-closed-amid-protests-over-immigration-raids-downtown-l-a-sheriff-announcement/>
<https://x.com/lasdhq/status/1932971546018263049>
"Potential Transit and Road Closures in Los Angeles Due to Protests" <https://lacity.gov/highlights/potential-transit-and-road-closures-los-angeles-due-protests>
On 6/17/2025 2:23 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 16:51:35 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>I'll bet those were the same busses tommy saw that had 100 illegal
wrote:
That's all well and fine but the protestors in LA were bussed in from all over the US and they weren't paying for it.
Baloney. Officials closed some roads and off ramps in the downtown LA
area. Look at the photos of riots. Do you see any busses? All I can
find are police buses:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=la%20protests%202025%20bus&udm=2>
No, not this bus:
<https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=495355400332239>
More:
<https://southpasadenan.com/freeway-ramps-closed-amid-protests-over-immigration-raids-downtown-l-a-sheriff-announcement/>
<https://x.com/lasdhq/status/1932971546018263049>
"Potential Transit and Road Closures in Los Angeles Due to Protests"
<https://lacity.gov/highlights/potential-transit-and-road-closures-los-angeles-due-protests>
immigrants _each_ being dropped of at polling stations.
On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 16:17:28 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 6/17/2025 2:23 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 16:51:35 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>I'll bet those were the same busses tommy saw that had 100 illegal
wrote:
That's all well and fine but the protestors in LA were bussed in from all over the US and they weren't paying for it.
Baloney. Officials closed some roads and off ramps in the downtown LA
area. Look at the photos of riots. Do you see any busses? All I can
find are police buses:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=la%20protests%202025%20bus&udm=2>
No, not this bus:
<https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=495355400332239>
More:
<https://southpasadenan.com/freeway-ramps-closed-amid-protests-over-immigration-raids-downtown-l-a-sheriff-announcement/>
<https://x.com/lasdhq/status/1932971546018263049>
"Potential Transit and Road Closures in Los Angeles Due to Protests"
<https://lacity.gov/highlights/potential-transit-and-road-closures-los-angeles-due-protests>
immigrants _each_ being dropped of at polling stations.
Highly likely. I'm trying to visualize an organizer asking a bus
rental company for a rental to be used to ride to and from a protest
march. If the bus rental company is dumb enough to rent a bus, they
probably will want insurance and a rather hefty deposit for the
inevitable damage. At best, the bus will be trashed by the occupants.
At worst, some protester will set fire to the bus.
Jeff...this is tommyworld we're talking about. It isn't the same one you
and I - or anyone else for that matter - lives in
On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 17:26:58 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
(chomp)
Jeff...this is tommyworld we're talking about. It isn't the same one you
and I - or anyone else for that matter - lives in
All things are possible: <https://www.google.com/search?q=overloaded%20bus%20india&udm=2>
They said it couldn't be done:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl6TkV2un7U> (1:40)
On 6/17/2025 6:35 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 17:26:58 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
(chomp)
Jeff...this is tommyworld we're talking about. It isn't the same one you >>> and I - or anyone else for that matter - lives in
All things are possible:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=overloaded%20bus%20india&udm=2>
They said it couldn't be done:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl6TkV2un7U> (1:40)
And here I thought you were going to show a video of trumps last cabinet >meeting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESa4tVAf_gY
On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 07:41:43 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 6/17/2025 6:35 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 17:26:58 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
(chomp)
Jeff...this is tommyworld we're talking about. It isn't the same one you >>>> and I - or anyone else for that matter - lives in
All things are possible:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=overloaded%20bus%20india&udm=2>
They said it couldn't be done:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl6TkV2un7U> (1:40)
And here I thought you were going to show a video of trumps last cabinet
meeting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESa4tVAf_gY
Huh?
Update: I found a 100 passenger rental bus: <https://falcontourtravel.com/100-passengers-charter-bus/>
On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 07:41:43 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 6/17/2025 6:35 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 17:26:58 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
(chomp)
Jeff...this is tommyworld we're talking about. It isn't the same one you >>>> and I - or anyone else for that matter - lives in
All things are possible:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=overloaded%20bus%20india&udm=2>
They said it couldn't be done:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl6TkV2un7U> (1:40)
And here I thought you were going to show a video of trumps last cabinet
meeting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESa4tVAf_gY
Huh?
Update: I found a 100 passenger rental bus: <https://falcontourtravel.com/100-passengers-charter-bus/>
On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 07:41:43 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 6/17/2025 6:35 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 17:26:58 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
(chomp)
Jeff...this is tommyworld we're talking about. It isn't the same one you >>>> and I - or anyone else for that matter - lives in
All things are possible:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=overloaded%20bus%20india&udm=2>
They said it couldn't be done:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl6TkV2un7U> (1:40)
And here I thought you were going to show a video of trumps last cabinet >>meeting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESa4tVAf_gY
Huh?
Update: I found a 100 passenger rental bus: ><https://falcontourtravel.com/100-passengers-charter-bus/>
On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 07:41:43 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 6/17/2025 6:35 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 17:26:58 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:
(chomp)
Jeff...this is tommyworld we're talking about. It isn't the same one you >>>> and I - or anyone else for that matter - lives in
All things are possible:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=overloaded%20bus%20india&udm=2>
They said it couldn't be done:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl6TkV2un7U> (1:40)
And here I thought you were going to show a video of trumps last cabinet >>meeting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESa4tVAf_gY
Huh?
Update: I found a 100 passenger rental bus: ><https://falcontourtravel.com/100-passengers-charter-bus/>
On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 09:34:12 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 07:41:43 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On 6/17/2025 6:35 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 17:26:58 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> >>>> wrote:
(chomp)
Jeff...this is tommyworld we're talking about. It isn't the same one you >>>>> and I - or anyone else for that matter - lives in
All things are possible:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=overloaded%20bus%20india&udm=2>
They said it couldn't be done:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl6TkV2un7U> (1:40)
And here I thought you were going to show a video of trumps last cabinet >>>meeting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESa4tVAf_gY
Huh?
Update: I found a 100 passenger rental bus: >><https://falcontourtravel.com/100-passengers-charter-bus/>
I tell you, Tom was the DRIVER. He drove them in.
If he was
not he would have picked up the phone and called the police.
Him
keeping quiet about it is all the evidence I need to know he was
involved.
And since he was the driver, what are the odds they were
voting against a democratic candidate?
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