In January I put in 460 miles. And this included some difficult climbing. I am going to have to build up to that again but I did put in 402 mostly flat mileage this month. Lets see what I do nect December if it's reasonably dry. I seem to never be inthe mood to climb since my stroke. But I will get over that.
On Sat, 31 May 2025 20:13:57 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>the mood to climb since my stroke. But I will get over that.
wrote:
In January I put in 460 miles. And this included some difficult climbing. I am going to have to build up to that again but I did put in 402 mostly flat mileage this month. Lets see what I do nect December if it's reasonably dry. I seem to never be in
Post your rides on Strava. Otherwise, I don't believe you.
05/11/2025 <https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=125679&group=rec.bicycles.tech#125679>
Message-ID: <dy9UP.25407$5Nof.12899@fx35.iad>
"I closeed my Strava account as I've said before - because when I did
a ride the 20 year olds would ride the same course and then brag about
how much faster they were."
On 5/31/2025 4:16 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:the mood to climb since my stroke. But I will get over that.
On Sat, 31 May 2025 20:13:57 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
In January I put in 460 miles. And this included some difficult climbing. I am going to have to build up to that again but I did put in 402 mostly flat mileage this month. Lets see what I do nect December if it's reasonably dry. I seem to never be in
What is your strava link I will follow you.
Post your rides on Strava. Otherwise, I don't believe you.
05/11/2025
<https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=125679&group=rec.bicycles.tech#125679>
Message-ID: <dy9UP.25407$5Nof.12899@fx35.iad>
"I closeed my Strava account as I've said before - because when I did
a ride the 20 year olds would ride the same course and then brag about
how much faster they were."
On Sat, 31 May 2025 18:46:53 -0500, Mark J clearyin the mood to climb since my stroke. But I will get over that.
<mcleary08@comcast.net> wrote:
On 5/31/2025 4:16 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2025 20:13:57 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
In January I put in 460 miles. And this included some difficult climbing. I am going to have to build up to that again but I did put in 402 mostly flat mileage this month. Lets see what I do nect December if it's reasonably dry. I seem to never be
What is your strava link I will follow you.
Post your rides on Strava. Otherwise, I don't believe you.
05/11/2025
<https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=125679&group=rec.bicycles.tech#125679>
Message-ID: <dy9UP.25407$5Nof.12899@fx35.iad>
"I closeed my Strava account as I've said before - because when I did
a ride the 20 year olds would ride the same course and then brag about
how much faster they were."
If you're looking for Tom's Strava link, this is what's left of them: <https://www.strava.com/athletes/27432450> <https://www.strava.com/athletes/114659696>
Neither account has any data or details in it.
My account is at:
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/103870441>
However, you will be disappointed. I haven't been riding a bicycle
since about 2018(?) due to back pain problems. I also didn't ride competitively. Mostly, it was short rides around the Santa Cruz area.
Everything I've recorded on Strava was either a walk or a hike in a
local park. No bicycle involved. My cardiologist demanded that I do exercise walks at least 4 times per week. I couldn't do that, so I
only did one walk. I walk or hike with or 2 or 3 friends,
unfortunately at the rate of the slowest. I may need to make some
changes as I'm definitely not getting enough exercise by walking.
(Note: I'm 77.5 years old and am doing well enough for my age).
Tom began posting his rides on Strava in about mid 2022(?) at the
request of Lou Holtman, a competent engineer. I subscribed to the
free version of Strava to see how it works, learn how to use Strava,
and keep an eye out for Tom. Despite claiming to have 15(?) bicycles,
Tom never bothered to post which bicycle he was riding on Strava. If
Tom had switched bicycles, some of the amazing and questionable
numbers seem to have been the result of speed sensor calibration
errors.
Tom's Strava postings continued for a few months. (I can research the
exact dates if someone wants to know). At some point, Lou Holtman
announced that he was leaving rec.bicycles.tech. At approximately the
same time, Tom deleted his data and wiped all the data from his Strava account. I don't recall which event came first.
On Sat, 31 May 2025 18:46:53 -0500, Mark J clearyin the mood to climb since my stroke. But I will get over that.
<mcleary08@comcast.net> wrote:
On 5/31/2025 4:16 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2025 20:13:57 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
In January I put in 460 miles. And this included some difficult climbing. I am going to have to build up to that again but I did put in 402 mostly flat mileage this month. Lets see what I do nect December if it's reasonably dry. I seem to never be
What is your strava link I will follow you.
Post your rides on Strava. Otherwise, I don't believe you.
05/11/2025
<https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=125679&group=rec.bicycles.tech#125679>
Message-ID: <dy9UP.25407$5Nof.12899@fx35.iad>
"I closeed my Strava account as I've said before - because when I did
a ride the 20 year olds would ride the same course and then brag about
how much faster they were."
If you're looking for Tom's Strava link, this is what's left of them: ><https://www.strava.com/athletes/27432450> ><https://www.strava.com/athletes/114659696>
Neither account has any data or details in it.
My account is at:
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/103870441>
However, you will be disappointed. I haven't been riding a bicycle
since about 2018(?) due to back pain problems. I also didn't ride >competitively. Mostly, it was short rides around the Santa Cruz area.
Everything I've recorded on Strava was either a walk or a hike in a
local park. No bicycle involved. My cardiologist demanded that I do >exercise walks at least 4 times per week. I couldn't do that, so I
only did one walk. I walk or hike with or 2 or 3 friends,
unfortunately at the rate of the slowest. I may need to make some
changes as I'm definitely not getting enough exercise by walking.
(Note: I'm 77.5 years old and am doing well enough for my age).
Tom began posting his rides on Strava in about mid 2022(?) at the
request of Lou Holtman, a competent engineer. I subscribed to the
free version of Strava to see how it works, learn how to use Strava,
and keep an eye out for Tom. Despite claiming to have 15(?) bicycles,
Tom never bothered to post which bicycle he was riding on Strava. If
Tom had switched bicycles, some of the amazing and questionable
numbers seem to have been the result of speed sensor calibration
errors.
Tom's Strava postings continued for a few months. (I can research the
exact dates if someone wants to know). At some point, Lou Holtman
announced that he was leaving rec.bicycles.tech. At approximately the
same time, Tom deleted his data and wiped all the data from his Strava >account. I don't recall which event came first.
On Sat, 31 May 2025 18:15:15 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>in the mood to climb since my stroke. But I will get over that.
wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2025 18:46:53 -0500, Mark J cleary
<mcleary08@comcast.net> wrote:
On 5/31/2025 4:16 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2025 20:13:57 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
In January I put in 460 miles. And this included some difficult climbing. I am going to have to build up to that again but I did put in 402 mostly flat mileage this month. Lets see what I do nect December if it's reasonably dry. I seem to never be
What is your strava link I will follow you.
Post your rides on Strava. Otherwise, I don't believe you.
05/11/2025
<https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=125679&group=rec.bicycles.tech#125679>
Message-ID: <dy9UP.25407$5Nof.12899@fx35.iad>
"I closeed my Strava account as I've said before - because when I did
a ride the 20 year olds would ride the same course and then brag about >>>> how much faster they were."
If you're looking for Tom's Strava link, this is what's left of them:
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/27432450>
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/114659696>
Neither account has any data or details in it.
My account is at:
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/103870441>
However, you will be disappointed. I haven't been riding a bicycle
since about 2018(?) due to back pain problems. I also didn't ride
competitively. Mostly, it was short rides around the Santa Cruz area.
Everything I've recorded on Strava was either a walk or a hike in a
local park. No bicycle involved. My cardiologist demanded that I do
exercise walks at least 4 times per week. I couldn't do that, so I
only did one walk. I walk or hike with or 2 or 3 friends,
unfortunately at the rate of the slowest. I may need to make some
changes as I'm definitely not getting enough exercise by walking.
(Note: I'm 77.5 years old and am doing well enough for my age).
Tom began posting his rides on Strava in about mid 2022(?) at the
request of Lou Holtman, a competent engineer. I subscribed to the
free version of Strava to see how it works, learn how to use Strava,
and keep an eye out for Tom. Despite claiming to have 15(?) bicycles,
Tom never bothered to post which bicycle he was riding on Strava. If
Tom had switched bicycles, some of the amazing and questionable
numbers seem to have been the result of speed sensor calibration
errors.
Tom's Strava postings continued for a few months. (I can research the
exact dates if someone wants to know). At some point, Lou Holtman
announced that he was leaving rec.bicycles.tech. At approximately the
same time, Tom deleted his data and wiped all the data from his Strava
account. I don't recall which event came first.
I have a free Strava account that my Garmin account passes my data to,
but I seldom look at it. I get more data with Garmin Connect and I can download it and save it in my own database.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On 6/1/2025 9:34 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:in the mood to climb since my stroke. But I will get over that.
On Sat, 31 May 2025 18:15:15 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2025 18:46:53 -0500, Mark J cleary
<mcleary08@comcast.net> wrote:
On 5/31/2025 4:16 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2025 20:13:57 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
In January I put in 460 miles. And this included some difficult climbing. I am going to have to build up to that again but I did put in 402 mostly flat mileage this month. Lets see what I do nect December if it's reasonably dry. I seem to never be
What is your strava link I will follow you.
Post your rides on Strava. Otherwise, I don't believe you.
05/11/2025
<https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=125679&group=rec.bicycles.tech#125679>
Message-ID: <dy9UP.25407$5Nof.12899@fx35.iad>
"I closeed my Strava account as I've said before - because when I did >>>>> a ride the 20 year olds would ride the same course and then brag about >>>>> how much faster they were."
If you're looking for Tom's Strava link, this is what's left of them:
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/27432450>
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/114659696>
Neither account has any data or details in it.
My account is at:
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/103870441>
However, you will be disappointed. I haven't been riding a bicycle
since about 2018(?) due to back pain problems. I also didn't ride
competitively. Mostly, it was short rides around the Santa Cruz area.
Everything I've recorded on Strava was either a walk or a hike in a
local park. No bicycle involved. My cardiologist demanded that I do
exercise walks at least 4 times per week. I couldn't do that, so I
only did one walk. I walk or hike with or 2 or 3 friends,
unfortunately at the rate of the slowest. I may need to make some
changes as I'm definitely not getting enough exercise by walking.
(Note: I'm 77.5 years old and am doing well enough for my age).
Tom began posting his rides on Strava in about mid 2022(?) at the
request of Lou Holtman, a competent engineer. I subscribed to the
free version of Strava to see how it works, learn how to use Strava,
and keep an eye out for Tom. Despite claiming to have 15(?) bicycles,
Tom never bothered to post which bicycle he was riding on Strava. If
Tom had switched bicycles, some of the amazing and questionable
numbers seem to have been the result of speed sensor calibration
errors.
Tom's Strava postings continued for a few months. (I can research the
exact dates if someone wants to know). At some point, Lou Holtman
announced that he was leaving rec.bicycles.tech. At approximately the
same time, Tom deleted his data and wiped all the data from his Strava
account. I don't recall which event came first.
I have a free Strava account that my Garmin account passes my data to,
but I seldom look at it. I get more data with Garmin Connect and I can
download it and save it in my own database.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I use Garmin and Strava but Strava is a much more used platform for all
types of things. Running, cycling, and the rest. I have used it for many >years and it my primary way I look at date. My good friend Zen and I
keep track of each other and I "stalk" Lou as he says.
The only real issue I have with Strave is that it record virtual ride
mileage the same as riding outside. I don't count riding indoors
directly as mileage even though it is a great work out. Miles count on
the bike when outside moving forward.
I am long past KOM type of things at my age but frankly I am a Local
Legend on many segments given I ride higher mileage than most. As far as >bragging, well this is easy. Even a little as 3 years ago I could go out
and ride 16-18 MPH consistently on 40-50 mile rides. Going back say 7
years ago the MPH would be closer to 17-at times 18 mph.
Now I can attest that anything over 16 MPH is considered pretty quick
for sure. Many times now I am 14.5 to 16 mph tops. In the winter and
colder I tend to say under 16 most of the time. Once summer hits I can
get in the 16.5 to 17 mph but what I used to consider slow is now damn
fast.
On 6/1/2025 9:34 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2025 18:15:15 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2025 18:46:53 -0500, Mark J cleary
<mcleary08@comcast.net> wrote:
On 5/31/2025 4:16 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2025 20:13:57 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>What is your strava link I will follow you.
wrote:
In January I put in 460 miles. And this included some difficult
climbing. I am going to have to build up to that again but I did
put in 402 mostly flat mileage this month. Lets see what I do nect >>>>>> December if it's reasonably dry. I seem to never be in the mood to >>>>>> climb since my stroke. But I will get over that.
Post your rides on Strava. Otherwise, I don't believe you.
05/11/2025
<https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?
id=125679&group=rec.bicycles.tech#125679>
Message-ID: <dy9UP.25407$5Nof.12899@fx35.iad>
"I closeed my Strava account as I've said before - because when I did >>>>> a ride the 20 year olds would ride the same course and then brag about >>>>> how much faster they were."
If you're looking for Tom's Strava link, this is what's left of them:
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/27432450>
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/114659696>
Neither account has any data or details in it.
My account is at:
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/103870441>
However, you will be disappointed. I haven't been riding a bicycle
since about 2018(?) due to back pain problems. I also didn't ride
competitively. Mostly, it was short rides around the Santa Cruz area.
Everything I've recorded on Strava was either a walk or a hike in a
local park. No bicycle involved. My cardiologist demanded that I do
exercise walks at least 4 times per week. I couldn't do that, so I
only did one walk. I walk or hike with or 2 or 3 friends,
unfortunately at the rate of the slowest. I may need to make some
changes as I'm definitely not getting enough exercise by walking.
(Note:Â I'm 77.5 years old and am doing well enough for my age).
Tom began posting his rides on Strava in about mid 2022(?) at the
request of Lou Holtman, a competent engineer. I subscribed to the
free version of Strava to see how it works, learn how to use Strava,
and keep an eye out for Tom. Despite claiming to have 15(?) bicycles,
Tom never bothered to post which bicycle he was riding on Strava. If
Tom had switched bicycles, some of the amazing and questionable
numbers seem to have been the result of speed sensor calibration
errors.
Tom's Strava postings continued for a few months. (I can research the
exact dates if someone wants to know). At some point, Lou Holtman
announced that he was leaving rec.bicycles.tech. At approximately the
same time, Tom deleted his data and wiped all the data from his Strava
account. I don't recall which event came first.
I have a free Strava account that my Garmin account passes my data to,
but I seldom look at it. I get more data with Garmin Connect and I can
download it and save it in my own database.
I use Garmin and Strava but Strava is a much more used platform for all
types of things.
Am 01.06.2025 um 18:36 schrieb Mark J cleary:
On 6/1/2025 9:34 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2025 18:15:15 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2025 18:46:53 -0500, Mark J cleary
<mcleary08@comcast.net> wrote:
On 5/31/2025 4:16 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2025 20:13:57 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>What is your strava link I will follow you.
wrote:
In January I put in 460 miles. And this included some difficult
climbing. I am going to have to build up to that again but I did >>>>>>> put in 402 mostly flat mileage this month. Lets see what I do nect >>>>>>> December if it's reasonably dry. I seem to never be in the mood to >>>>>>> climb since my stroke. But I will get over that.
Post your rides on Strava. Otherwise, I don't believe you.
05/11/2025
<https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?
id=125679&group=rec.bicycles.tech#125679>
Message-ID: <dy9UP.25407$5Nof.12899@fx35.iad>
"I closeed my Strava account as I've said before - because when I did >>>>>> a ride the 20 year olds would ride the same course and then brag about >>>>>> how much faster they were."
If you're looking for Tom's Strava link, this is what's left of them:
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/27432450>
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/114659696>
Neither account has any data or details in it.
My account is at:
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/103870441>
However, you will be disappointed. I haven't been riding a bicycle
since about 2018(?) due to back pain problems. I also didn't ride
competitively. Mostly, it was short rides around the Santa Cruz area. >>>>
Everything I've recorded on Strava was either a walk or a hike in a
local park. No bicycle involved. My cardiologist demanded that I do >>>> exercise walks at least 4 times per week. I couldn't do that, so I
only did one walk. I walk or hike with or 2 or 3 friends,
unfortunately at the rate of the slowest. I may need to make some
changes as I'm definitely not getting enough exercise by walking.
(Note:Â I'm 77.5 years old and am doing well enough for my age).
Tom began posting his rides on Strava in about mid 2022(?) at the
request of Lou Holtman, a competent engineer. I subscribed to the
free version of Strava to see how it works, learn how to use Strava,
and keep an eye out for Tom. Despite claiming to have 15(?) bicycles, >>>> Tom never bothered to post which bicycle he was riding on Strava. If >>>> Tom had switched bicycles, some of the amazing and questionable
numbers seem to have been the result of speed sensor calibration
errors.
Tom's Strava postings continued for a few months. (I can research the >>>> exact dates if someone wants to know). At some point, Lou Holtman
announced that he was leaving rec.bicycles.tech. At approximately the >>>> same time, Tom deleted his data and wiped all the data from his Strava >>>> account. I don't recall which event came first.
I have a free Strava account that my Garmin account passes my data to,
but I seldom look at it. I get more data with Garmin Connect and I can
download it and save it in my own database.
I use Garmin and Strava but Strava is a much more used platform for all
types of things.
I also use Garmin and Strava (plus Komoot for social sharing). I track
most rides/ hikes both on the wrist watch and on the mobile phone.
Garmin always gets the raw data from the wrist watch while Strava takes
the GPS data (w/o heart rate) from the mobile phone when the wrist watch
did not record correctly (mostly due to user erros - e.g. forgot to
re-start tracking after lunch break, sometimes due to technical errors).
Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
Am 01.06.2025 um 18:36 schrieb Mark J cleary:
On 6/1/2025 9:34 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2025 18:15:15 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> >>>> wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2025 18:46:53 -0500, Mark J cleary
<mcleary08@comcast.net> wrote:
On 5/31/2025 4:16 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2025 20:13:57 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> >>>>>>> wrote:What is your strava link I will follow you.
In January I put in 460 miles. And this included some difficult >>>>>>>> climbing. I am going to have to build up to that again but I did >>>>>>>> put in 402 mostly flat mileage this month. Lets see what I do nect >>>>>>>> December if it's reasonably dry. I seem to never be in the mood to >>>>>>>> climb since my stroke. But I will get over that.
Post your rides on Strava. Otherwise, I don't believe you.
05/11/2025
<https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?
id=125679&group=rec.bicycles.tech#125679>
Message-ID: <dy9UP.25407$5Nof.12899@fx35.iad>
"I closeed my Strava account as I've said before - because when I did >>>>>>> a ride the 20 year olds would ride the same course and then brag about >>>>>>> how much faster they were."
If you're looking for Tom's Strava link, this is what's left of them: >>>>> <https://www.strava.com/athletes/27432450>
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/114659696>
Neither account has any data or details in it.
My account is at:
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/103870441>
However, you will be disappointed. I haven't been riding a bicycle >>>>> since about 2018(?) due to back pain problems. I also didn't ride
competitively. Mostly, it was short rides around the Santa Cruz area. >>>>>
Everything I've recorded on Strava was either a walk or a hike in a
local park. No bicycle involved. My cardiologist demanded that I do >>>>> exercise walks at least 4 times per week. I couldn't do that, so I >>>>> only did one walk. I walk or hike with or 2 or 3 friends,
unfortunately at the rate of the slowest. I may need to make some
changes as I'm definitely not getting enough exercise by walking.
(Note:Â I'm 77.5 years old and am doing well enough for my age).
Tom began posting his rides on Strava in about mid 2022(?) at the
request of Lou Holtman, a competent engineer. I subscribed to the
free version of Strava to see how it works, learn how to use Strava, >>>>> and keep an eye out for Tom. Despite claiming to have 15(?) bicycles, >>>>> Tom never bothered to post which bicycle he was riding on Strava. If >>>>> Tom had switched bicycles, some of the amazing and questionable
numbers seem to have been the result of speed sensor calibration
errors.
Tom's Strava postings continued for a few months. (I can research the >>>>> exact dates if someone wants to know). At some point, Lou Holtman
announced that he was leaving rec.bicycles.tech. At approximately the >>>>> same time, Tom deleted his data and wiped all the data from his Strava >>>>> account. I don't recall which event came first.
I have a free Strava account that my Garmin account passes my data to, >>>> but I seldom look at it. I get more data with Garmin Connect and I can >>>> download it and save it in my own database.
I use Garmin and Strava but Strava is a much more used platform for all
types of things.
I also use Garmin and Strava (plus Komoot for social sharing). I track
most rides/ hikes both on the wrist watch and on the mobile phone.
Garmin always gets the raw data from the wrist watch while Strava takes
the GPS data (w/o heart rate) from the mobile phone when the wrist watch
did not record correctly (mostly due to user erros - e.g. forgot to
re-start tracking after lunch break, sometimes due to technical errors).
Komoot is sadly been bought and being asset stripped as we speak.
Roger Merriman
On 6/1/2025 9:34 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2025 18:15:15 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2025 18:46:53 -0500, Mark J cleary
<mcleary08@comcast.net> wrote:
On 5/31/2025 4:16 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2025 20:13:57 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>What is your strava link I will follow you.
wrote:
In January I put in 460 miles. And this included some difficult
climbing. I am going to have to build up to that again but I did
put in 402 mostly flat mileage this month. Lets see what I do nect >>>>>> December if it's reasonably dry. I seem to never be in the mood to >>>>>> climb since my stroke. But I will get over that.
Post your rides on Strava. Otherwise, I don't believe you.
05/11/2025
<https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?
id=125679&group=rec.bicycles.tech#125679>
Message-ID: <dy9UP.25407$5Nof.12899@fx35.iad>
"I closeed my Strava account as I've said before - because when I did >>>>> a ride the 20 year olds would ride the same course and then brag about >>>>> how much faster they were."
If you're looking for Tom's Strava link, this is what's left of them:
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/27432450>
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/114659696>
Neither account has any data or details in it.
My account is at:
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/103870441>
However, you will be disappointed. I haven't been riding a bicycle
since about 2018(?) due to back pain problems. I also didn't ride
competitively. Mostly, it was short rides around the Santa Cruz area.
Everything I've recorded on Strava was either a walk or a hike in a
local park. No bicycle involved. My cardiologist demanded that I do
exercise walks at least 4 times per week. I couldn't do that, so I
only did one walk. I walk or hike with or 2 or 3 friends,
unfortunately at the rate of the slowest. I may need to make some
changes as I'm definitely not getting enough exercise by walking.
(Note:Â I'm 77.5 years old and am doing well enough for my age).
Tom began posting his rides on Strava in about mid 2022(?) at the
request of Lou Holtman, a competent engineer. I subscribed to the
free version of Strava to see how it works, learn how to use Strava,
and keep an eye out for Tom. Despite claiming to have 15(?) bicycles,
Tom never bothered to post which bicycle he was riding on Strava. If
Tom had switched bicycles, some of the amazing and questionable
numbers seem to have been the result of speed sensor calibration
errors.
Tom's Strava postings continued for a few months. (I can research the
exact dates if someone wants to know). At some point, Lou Holtman
announced that he was leaving rec.bicycles.tech. At approximately the
same time, Tom deleted his data and wiped all the data from his Strava
account. I don't recall which event came first.
I have a free Strava account that my Garmin account passes my data to,
but I seldom look at it. I get more data with Garmin Connect and I can
download it and save it in my own database.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I use Garmin and Strava but Strava is a much more used platform for all
types of things. Running, cycling, and the rest. I have used it for many years and it my primary way I look at date. My good friend Zen and I
keep track of each other and I "stalk" Lou as he says.
The only real issue I have with Strave is that it record virtual ride
mileage the same as riding outside. I don't count riding indoors
directly as mileage even though it is a great work out. Miles count on
the bike when outside moving forward.
I am long past KOM type of things at my age but frankly I am a Local
Legend on many segments given I ride higher mileage than most. As far as bragging, well this is easy. Even a little as 3 years ago I could go out
and ride 16-18 MPH consistently on 40-50 mile rides. Going back say 7
years ago the MPH would be closer to 17-at times 18 mph.
Now I can attest that anything over 16 MPH is considered pretty quick
for sure. Many times now I am 14.5 to 16 mph tops. In the winter and
colder I tend to say under 16 most of the time. Once summer hits I can
get in the 16.5 to 17 mph but what I used to consider slow is now damn
fast.
I use Garmin and Strava but Strava is a much more used platform for all
types of things. Running, cycling, and the rest. I have used it for many years and it my primary way I look at date. My good friend Zen and I
keep track of each other and I "stalk" Lou as he says.
The only real issue I have with Strave is that it record virtual ride
mileage the same as riding outside. I don't count riding indoors
directly as mileage even though it is a great work out. Miles count on
the bike when outside moving forward.
I am long past KOM type of things at my age but frankly I am a Local
Legend on many segments given I ride higher mileage than most. As far as bragging, well this is easy. Even a little as 3 years ago I could go out
and ride 16-18 MPH consistently on 40-50 mile rides. Going back say 7
years ago the MPH would be closer to 17-at times 18 mph.
Now I can attest that anything over 16 MPH is considered pretty quick
for sure. Many times now I am 14.5 to 16 mph tops. In the winter and
colder I tend to say under 16 most of the time. Once summer hits I can
get in the 16.5 to 17 mph but what I used to consider slow is now damn
fast.
On 5/31/2025 9:15 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:in the mood to climb since my stroke. But I will get over that.
On Sat, 31 May 2025 18:46:53 -0500, Mark J cleary
<mcleary08@comcast.net> wrote:
On 5/31/2025 4:16 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2025 20:13:57 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
In January I put in 460 miles. And this included some difficult climbing. I am going to have to build up to that again but I did put in 402 mostly flat mileage this month. Lets see what I do nect December if it's reasonably dry. I seem to never be
What is your strava link I will follow you.
Post your rides on Strava. Otherwise, I don't believe you.
05/11/2025
<https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=125679&group=rec.bicycles.tech#125679>
Message-ID: <dy9UP.25407$5Nof.12899@fx35.iad>
"I closeed my Strava account as I've said before - because when I did
a ride the 20 year olds would ride the same course and then brag about >>> how much faster they were."
If you're looking for Tom's Strava link, this is what's left of them: <https://www.strava.com/athletes/27432450> <https://www.strava.com/athletes/114659696>
Neither account has any data or details in it.
My account is at:
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/103870441>
However, you will be disappointed. I haven't been riding a bicycle
since about 2018(?) due to back pain problems. I also didn't ride competitively. Mostly, it was short rides around the Santa Cruz area.
Everything I've recorded on Strava was either a walk or a hike in a
local park. No bicycle involved. My cardiologist demanded that I do exercise walks at least 4 times per week. I couldn't do that, so I
only did one walk. I walk or hike with or 2 or 3 friends,
unfortunately at the rate of the slowest. I may need to make some
changes as I'm definitely not getting enough exercise by walking.
(Note: I'm 77.5 years old and am doing well enough for my age).
Tom began posting his rides on Strava in about mid 2022(?) at the
request of Lou Holtman, a competent engineer. I subscribed to the
free version of Strava to see how it works, learn how to use Strava,
and keep an eye out for Tom. Despite claiming to have 15(?) bicycles,
Tom never bothered to post which bicycle he was riding on Strava. If
Tom had switched bicycles, some of the amazing and questionable
numbers seem to have been the result of speed sensor calibration
errors.
Tom's Strava postings continued for a few months. (I can research the exact dates if someone wants to know). At some point, Lou Holtman announced that he was leaving rec.bicycles.tech. At approximately the
same time, Tom deleted his data and wiped all the data from his Strava account. I don't recall which event came first.
I'm not sure of that timeline. I seem to remember tom making the "20 year-olds bragging" claim well before 2022 - I could be wrong.
Besides that, I find it exceptionally difficult to believe that people
would brag on strava that they were faster than tom. If tom can point to
a post on strava by a 20something year-old where they called out tom -
even in a passing reference - I'll stand corrected.
On Sun Jun 1 08:00:29 2025 zen cycle wrote:
I'm not sure of that timeline. I seem to remember tom making the "20
year-olds bragging" claim well before 2022 - I could be wrong.
Besides that, I find it exceptionally difficult to believe that people
would brag on strava that they were faster than tom. If tom can point to
a post on strava by a 20something year-old where they called out tom -
even in a passing reference - I'll stand corrected.
It was well before my head injury so that would have put it sometimme in the early 2000's.
I never minded fast riders disappearing up the road, I just didn't like my rides being specifically chosen for comparison by people 40 years younger than me. But who knows, maybe it was a compliment. I was pretty sensitive about my riding after thepoison gas incident.
On Mon, 02 Jun 2025 20:37:00 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun Jun 1 08:00:29 2025 zen cycle wrote:
I'm not sure of that timeline. I seem to remember tom making the "20
year-olds bragging" claim well before 2022 - I could be wrong.
I have problems looking up anything that old. The only service that
goes that far back is Google. However, Google's Usenet archive ended
on Feb 22, 2024. Since then, nobody seems to be rebuilding the
indexes when they become scrambled. Lots of things no longer work
correctly. The other Usenet archives are still functional, but don't
retain articles that far back.
Using NovaBBS, I found 59 articles, by various people, with the words
"poison gas" in them. The earliest article was on May 5, 2021 (4
years ago): <https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=34788&group=rec.bicycles.tech#34788>
Unfortunately, I couldn't determine the earliest article posted by
Tom. The newsreader will only display 1,000 articles by Tom, which
only go back to Nov 26, 2023.
Besides that, I find it exceptionally difficult to believe that people
would brag on strava that they were faster than tom. If tom can point to >>> a post on strava by a 20something year-old where they called out tom -
even in a passing reference - I'll stand corrected.
If Google can't find it, it doesn't exist.
It was well before my head injury so that would have put it sometimme in the early 2000's.
Nope. In Tom's own words: <https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:ugcPost:6912346811772932096/>
"I got a severe concussion in 2010 that led to a type of seizures that
I didn't remember afterwards. This wasn't discovered and treated
properly until 2012 after 4 car wrecks luckily without any injuries".
I find it interesting that the "severe concussion" occurred just
before Tom's DUI arrest.
04/28/2010
DUI arrest and non-appearance <https://www.localcrimenews.com/welcome/detail/44604354/thomas-h-kunich-arrest.html>
"Arrested For 23152(A/B) - DUI Alcohol W/BAC > .08" <https://www.localcrimenews.com/welcome/detail/49646718/thomas-h-kunich-arrest.html>
"Arrested For WARRANT - Warrants Or Holds Only"
I never minded fast riders disappearing up the road, I just didn't like
my rides being specifically chosen for comparison by people 40 years
younger than me. But who knows, maybe it was a compliment. I was pretty
sensitive about my riding after the poison gas incident.
In what month and year was this poison gas incident?
Do you have a link to this "comparison"?
Do you have the names of any of the perpetrator so I can find them on
Strava?
On Mon, 02 Jun 2025 20:37:00 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun Jun 1 08:00:29 2025 zen cycle wrote:
I'm not sure of that timeline. I seem to remember tom making the "20
year-olds bragging" claim well before 2022 - I could be wrong.
It was well before my head injury so that would have put it sometimme in the early 2000's.
I never minded fast riders disappearing up the road, I just didn't like my rides being specifically chosen for comparison by people 40 years younger than me.
But who knows, maybe it was a compliment. I was pretty sensitive about my riding after the poison gas incident.
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jun 2025 20:37:00 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun Jun 1 08:00:29 2025 zen cycle wrote:
I'm not sure of that timeline. I seem to remember tom making the "20
year-olds bragging" claim well before 2022 - I could be wrong.
I have problems looking up anything that old. The only service that
goes that far back is Google. However, Google's Usenet archive ended
on Feb 22, 2024. Since then, nobody seems to be rebuilding the
indexes when they become scrambled. Lots of things no longer work
correctly. The other Usenet archives are still functional, but don't
retain articles that far back.
Using NovaBBS, I found 59 articles, by various people, with the words
"poison gas" in them. The earliest article was on May 5, 2021 (4
years ago):
<https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=34788&group=rec.bicycles.tech#34788>
Unfortunately, I couldn't determine the earliest article posted by
Tom. The newsreader will only display 1,000 articles by Tom, which
only go back to Nov 26, 2023.
Besides that, I find it exceptionally difficult to believe that people >>>> would brag on strava that they were faster than tom. If tom can point to >>>> a post on strava by a 20something year-old where they called out tom - >>>> even in a passing reference - I'll stand corrected.
If Google can't find it, it doesn't exist.
It was well before my head injury so that would have put it sometimme in the early 2000's.
Nope. In Tom's own words:
<https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:ugcPost:6912346811772932096/> >> "I got a severe concussion in 2010 that led to a type of seizures that
I didn't remember afterwards. This wasn't discovered and treated
properly until 2012 after 4 car wrecks luckily without any injuries".
I find it interesting that the "severe concussion" occurred just
before Tom's DUI arrest.
04/28/2010
DUI arrest and non-appearance
<https://www.localcrimenews.com/welcome/detail/44604354/thomas-h-kunich-arrest.html>
"Arrested For 23152(A/B) - DUI Alcohol W/BAC > .08"
<https://www.localcrimenews.com/welcome/detail/49646718/thomas-h-kunich-arrest.html>
"Arrested For WARRANT - Warrants Or Holds Only"
I never minded fast riders disappearing up the road, I just didn't like
my rides being specifically chosen for comparison by people 40 years
younger than me. But who knows, maybe it was a compliment. I was pretty
sensitive about my riding after the poison gas incident.
In what month and year was this poison gas incident?
Do you have a link to this "comparison"?
Do you have the names of any of the perpetrator so I can find them on
Strava?
Strava started 2009 ish so he can’t have been having comparisons from 20
year olds in 2000!
He only closed it in the last few years so was clearly happy with it, or at >least not concerned with it until recently.
On 3 Jun 2025 08:39:48 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jun 2025 20:37:00 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun Jun 1 08:00:29 2025 zen cycle wrote:
I'm not sure of that timeline. I seem to remember tom making the "20 >>>>> year-olds bragging" claim well before 2022 - I could be wrong.
I have problems looking up anything that old. The only service that
goes that far back is Google. However, Google's Usenet archive ended
on Feb 22, 2024. Since then, nobody seems to be rebuilding the
indexes when they become scrambled. Lots of things no longer work
correctly. The other Usenet archives are still functional, but don't
retain articles that far back.
Using NovaBBS, I found 59 articles, by various people, with the words
"poison gas" in them. The earliest article was on May 5, 2021 (4
years ago):
<https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=34788&group=rec.bicycles.tech#34788>
Unfortunately, I couldn't determine the earliest article posted by
Tom. The newsreader will only display 1,000 articles by Tom, which
only go back to Nov 26, 2023.
Besides that, I find it exceptionally difficult to believe that people >>>>> would brag on strava that they were faster than tom. If tom can point to >>>>> a post on strava by a 20something year-old where they called out tom - >>>>> even in a passing reference - I'll stand corrected.
If Google can't find it, it doesn't exist.
It was well before my head injury so that would have put it sometimme
in the early 2000's.
Nope. In Tom's own words:
<https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:ugcPost:6912346811772932096/> >>> "I got a severe concussion in 2010 that led to a type of seizures that
I didn't remember afterwards. This wasn't discovered and treated
properly until 2012 after 4 car wrecks luckily without any injuries".
I find it interesting that the "severe concussion" occurred just
before Tom's DUI arrest.
04/28/2010
DUI arrest and non-appearance
<https://www.localcrimenews.com/welcome/detail/44604354/thomas-h-kunich-arrest.html>
"Arrested For 23152(A/B) - DUI Alcohol W/BAC > .08"
<https://www.localcrimenews.com/welcome/detail/49646718/thomas-h-kunich-arrest.html>
"Arrested For WARRANT - Warrants Or Holds Only"
I never minded fast riders disappearing up the road, I just didn't like >>>> my rides being specifically chosen for comparison by people 40 years
younger than me. But who knows, maybe it was a compliment. I was pretty >>>> sensitive about my riding after the poison gas incident.
In what month and year was this poison gas incident?
Do you have a link to this "comparison"?
Do you have the names of any of the perpetrator so I can find them on
Strava?
Strava started 2009 ish so he canÂ’t have been having comparisons from 20
year olds in 2000!
Good point. (I'm kicking myself for having missed it). I was going
to assemble a chronology of events for Tom, but decided that it was
just too much work.
He only closed it in the last few years so was clearly happy with it, or at >> least not concerned with it until recently.
Tom started or re-started using Strava at the same time that I began.
My oldest ride that I recorded was on July 8, 2022. <https://www.strava.com/activities/7436072069>
It took me a while to stop making mistakes, so I guess that I started
in June 2022. Tom's first Strava entries would likely have been
around the same time.
At the same time, Tom claimed that he had years of historical rides
saved on Strava, which had mysteriously disappeared (or something
similar). I can't find the posting, but at least I now know the
probable date.
Incidentally, I was trying to learn how Strava works at the same time
that Tom was struggling with his multiple Strava problems. I
accidentally initiated a "follow" request to Tom. I immediately
unfollowed, but Tom noticed the request. Within minutes, Tom was
posting on rec.bicycles.tech that I was "stalking" him.
I think this was the incident. Tom's comments:
(July 7, 2022) <https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=59409&group=rec.bicycles.tech#59409>
"As far as I can remember, I didn't like everyone and their brother
trying to beat my times on Strava and withdrew from it. I talked about
doing that many times. So exactly why was Liebermann stalking me with
Strava unless there isn't any ends he won't go to?"
On 6/3/2025 1:51 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
I never was and never will be a Stravite. But isn't a major reason for
Incidentally, I was trying to learn how Strava works at the same time
that Tom was struggling with his multiple Strava problems. I
accidentally initiated a "follow" request to Tom. I immediately
unfollowed, but Tom noticed the request. Within minutes, Tom was
posting on rec.bicycles.tech that I was "stalking" him.
its existence the fact that others can follow you?
If someone does that, it seems weird to call it stalking.
On 6/3/2025 1:51 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
I never was and never will be a Stravite. But isn't a major reason for
Incidentally, I was trying to learn how Strava works at the same time
that Tom was struggling with his multiple Strava problems. I
accidentally initiated a "follow" request to Tom. I immediately
unfollowed, but Tom noticed the request. Within minutes, Tom was
posting on rec.bicycles.tech that I was "stalking" him.
its existence the fact that others can follow you?
If someone does that, it seems weird to call it stalking.
Nope. In Tom's own words: <https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:ugcPost:6912346811772932096/>
"I got a severe concussion in 2010 that led to a type of seizures that
I didn't remember afterwards. This wasn't discovered and treated
properly until 2012 after 4 car wrecks luckily without any injuries".
I find it interesting that the "severe concussion" occurred just
before Tom's DUI arrest.
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
On 3 Jun 2025 08:39:48 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jun 2025 20:37:00 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun Jun 1 08:00:29 2025 zen cycle wrote:
I'm not sure of that timeline. I seem to remember tom making the "20 >>>>> year-olds bragging" claim well before 2022 - I could be wrong.
I have problems looking up anything that old. The only service that
goes that far back is Google. However, Google's Usenet archive ended
on Feb 22, 2024. Since then, nobody seems to be rebuilding the
indexes when they become scrambled. Lots of things no longer work
correctly. The other Usenet archives are still functional, but don't
retain articles that far back.
Using NovaBBS, I found 59 articles, by various people, with the words
"poison gas" in them. The earliest article was on May 5, 2021 (4
years ago):
<https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=34788&group=rec.bicycles.tech#34788>
Unfortunately, I couldn't determine the earliest article posted by
Tom. The newsreader will only display 1,000 articles by Tom, which
only go back to Nov 26, 2023.
Besides that, I find it exceptionally difficult to believe that people >>>>> would brag on strava that they were faster than tom. If tom can point to
a post on strava by a 20something year-old where they called out tom - >>>>> even in a passing reference - I'll stand corrected.
If Google can't find it, it doesn't exist.
It was well before my head injury so that would have put it sometimme >>>> in the early 2000's.
Nope. In Tom's own words:
<https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:ugcPost:6912346811772932096/>
"I got a severe concussion in 2010 that led to a type of seizures that >>> I didn't remember afterwards. This wasn't discovered and treated
properly until 2012 after 4 car wrecks luckily without any injuries".
I find it interesting that the "severe concussion" occurred just
before Tom's DUI arrest.
04/28/2010
DUI arrest and non-appearance
<https://www.localcrimenews.com/welcome/detail/44604354/thomas-h-kunich-arrest.html>
"Arrested For 23152(A/B) - DUI Alcohol W/BAC > .08"
<https://www.localcrimenews.com/welcome/detail/49646718/thomas-h-kunich-arrest.html>
"Arrested For WARRANT - Warrants Or Holds Only"
I never minded fast riders disappearing up the road, I just didn't like >>>> my rides being specifically chosen for comparison by people 40 years >>>> younger than me. But who knows, maybe it was a compliment. I was pretty >>>> sensitive about my riding after the poison gas incident.
In what month and year was this poison gas incident?
Do you have a link to this "comparison"?
Do you have the names of any of the perpetrator so I can find them on
Strava?
Strava started 2009 ish so he can t have been having comparisons from 20 >> year olds in 2000!
Good point. (I'm kicking myself for having missed it). I was going
to assemble a chronology of events for Tom, but decided that it was
just too much work.
I was as relatively early adopter 2011 ish? Hence it stood out, memory
isn?t generally my forte though old memory?s are largely though not wholly there.
He only closed it in the last few years so was clearly happy with it, or at
least not concerned with it until recently.
Tom started or re-started using Strava at the same time that I began.
My oldest ride that I recorded was on July 8, 2022. <https://www.strava.com/activities/7436072069>
It took me a while to stop making mistakes, so I guess that I started
in June 2022. Tom's first Strava entries would likely have been
around the same time.
At the same time, Tom claimed that he had years of historical rides
saved on Strava, which had mysteriously disappeared (or something
similar). I can't find the posting, but at least I now know the
probable date.
Incidentally, I was trying to learn how Strava works at the same time
that Tom was struggling with his multiple Strava problems. I
accidentally initiated a "follow" request to Tom. I immediately unfollowed, but Tom noticed the request. Within minutes, Tom was
posting on rec.bicycles.tech that I was "stalking" him.
I think this was the incident. Tom's comments:
(July 7, 2022) <https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=59409&group=rec.bicycles.tech#59409>
"As far as I can remember, I didn't like everyone and their brother
trying to beat my times on Strava and withdrew from it. I talked about doing that many times. So exactly why was Liebermann stalking me with Strava unless there isn't any ends he won't go to?"
I?ve probably read it at the time and well forgotten about it, I do vaguely remember him clearly getting confused by Strava! My account is locked and
all that, mainly as got fed up of porn bot replies and well while I do use
it as a social it?s largely folks I do ride with even if sometimes the gap can be measured in years between rides!
On Sat, 31 May 2025 20:13:57 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>the mood to climb since my stroke. But I will get over that.
wrote:
In January I put in 460 miles. And this included some difficult climbing. I am going to have to build up to that again but I did put in 402 mostly flat mileage this month. Lets see what I do nect December if it's reasonably dry. I seem to never be in
Post your rides on Strava. Otherwise, I don't believe you.
05/11/2025 <https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=125679&group=rec.bicycles.tech#125679>
Message-ID: <dy9UP.25407$5Nof.12899@fx35.iad>
"I closeed my Strava account as I've said before - because when I did
a ride the 20 year olds would ride the same course and then brag about
how much faster they were."
On 6/3/2025 11:56 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/3/2025 1:51 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
I never was and never will be a Stravite. But isn't a major reason for
Incidentally, I was trying to learn how Strava works at the same time
that Tom was struggling with his multiple Strava problems. I
accidentally initiated a "follow" request to Tom. I immediately
unfollowed, but Tom noticed the request. Within minutes, Tom was
posting on rec.bicycles.tech that I was "stalking" him.
its existence the fact that others can follow you?
If someone does that, it seems weird to call it stalking.
Yes, it's main purpose is a social media site 'geared' for cyclists to
share ride data. Another major feature is for simple personal
statistics, and there is no requirement to make your profile public, or
even visible to anyone.
If tommy had issues with people stalking or (allegedly) targeting his
ride to beat his segment times then brag about it, all he would have to
do is make his account private. It's one checkbox on the settings page.
And yes, Strava has _always_ had that feature - since day one of the
release.
Not buying it. If you had been injured in a poison gas incident as a
civilian working for the military, you would have been hounded by
personal injury lawyers and ended up with a rather substantial
settlement - unless it was entirely your fault, even then there would
have been a settlement to some extent. Since we've never heard about any settlement, it's safe to assume you're making up more tall tales.
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