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    From Zen Cycle@21:1/5 to zen cycle on Thu Jun 19 16:56:46 2025
    On 6/11/2025 5:33 AM, zen cycle wrote:
    On 6/10/2025 9:15 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 6/10/2025 5:15 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
    Factor Bicycles revealed a new Aero bike prototype at Stage 1 of the
    Critérium du Dauphiné this past sunday.

    https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/how-did-they-keep-this-a-secret-
    insane- new-factor-prototype-blows-minds-at-the-dauphine/

    In addition to yet more aero shaping of the frame components, it uses
    a Hope-style fork with extremely wide-set legs, which have been
    successfully used on track bikes for several years now. The theory is
    that the fork legs help shape the air around the rider's legs, as
    well as allowing more of the front wheel to hit clean air.

    I wonder how long that fork design will remain legal. UCI is pretty
    conservative about visible aero tricks.


    It's been legal for track bikes for several years now. Granted, the
    rules for track bikes are a little different, but as of now certain
    things like aerodynamic features on road and track frames alike are
    limited. I give it a much better chance than usual for staying around.

    https://www.uci.org/pressrelease/the-uci-approves-the-2026-calendars-for-the-uci-womens-worldtour-and-uci/4Eom6DCpjNwy5BeppuLXg3

    "For bicycles used in the road (as of 1 January 2026) and track (as of 1 January 2027) disciplines, only a maximum internal fork width of 115 mm
    at the front and 145 mm at the rear (measured along the entire length of
    the front fork and rear triangle) will be permitted."


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  • From zen cycle@21:1/5 to Frank Krygowski on Fri Jun 20 06:21:32 2025
    On 6/19/2025 5:40 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 6/19/2025 4:56 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 6/11/2025 5:33 AM, zen cycle wrote:
    On 6/10/2025 9:15 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 6/10/2025 5:15 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
    Factor Bicycles revealed a new Aero bike prototype at Stage 1 of
    the Critérium du Dauphiné this past sunday.

    https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/how-did-they-keep-this-a-secret-
    insane- new-factor-prototype-blows-minds-at-the-dauphine/

    In addition to yet more aero shaping of the frame components, it
    uses a Hope-style fork with extremely wide-set legs, which have
    been successfully used on track bikes for several years now. The
    theory is that the fork legs help shape the air around the rider's
    legs, as well as allowing more of the front wheel to hit clean air.

    I wonder how long that fork design will remain legal. UCI is pretty
    conservative about visible aero tricks.


    It's been legal for track bikes for several years now. Granted, the
    rules for track bikes are a little different, but as of now certain
    things like aerodynamic features on road and track frames alike are
    limited. I give it a much better chance than usual for staying around.

    https://www.uci.org/pressrelease/the-uci-approves-the-2026-calendars-
    for-the-uci-womens-worldtour-and-uci/4Eom6DCpjNwy5BeppuLXg3

    "For bicycles used in the road (as of 1 January 2026) and track (as of
    1 January 2027) disciplines, only a maximum internal fork width of 115
    mm at the front and 145 mm at the rear (measured along the entire
    length of the front fork and rear triangle) will be permitted."

    Does that mean the radical forks in the article will not be allowed? <https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/how-did-they-keep-this-a-secret- insane-new-factor-prototype-blows-minds-at-the-dauphine>



    I don't know. I can't find any information about that fork spacing. That
    said, this ruling also by definition limits hub spacing, which I don't
    think was covered before this.

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  • From Roger Merriman@21:1/5 to zen cycle on Fri Jun 20 13:12:21 2025
    zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 6/19/2025 5:40 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 6/19/2025 4:56 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 6/11/2025 5:33 AM, zen cycle wrote:
    On 6/10/2025 9:15 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 6/10/2025 5:15 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
    Factor Bicycles revealed a new Aero bike prototype at Stage 1 of
    the Critérium du Dauphiné this past sunday.

    https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/how-did-they-keep-this-a-secret-
    insane- new-factor-prototype-blows-minds-at-the-dauphine/

    In addition to yet more aero shaping of the frame components, it
    uses a Hope-style fork with extremely wide-set legs, which have
    been successfully used on track bikes for several years now. The
    theory is that the fork legs help shape the air around the rider's >>>>>> legs, as well as allowing more of the front wheel to hit clean air. >>>>>
    I wonder how long that fork design will remain legal. UCI is pretty
    conservative about visible aero tricks.


    It's been legal for track bikes for several years now. Granted, the
    rules for track bikes are a little different, but as of now certain
    things like aerodynamic features on road and track frames alike are
    limited. I give it a much better chance than usual for staying around.

    https://www.uci.org/pressrelease/the-uci-approves-the-2026-calendars-
    for-the-uci-womens-worldtour-and-uci/4Eom6DCpjNwy5BeppuLXg3

    "For bicycles used in the road (as of 1 January 2026) and track (as of
    1 January 2027) disciplines, only a maximum internal fork width of 115
    mm at the front and 145 mm at the rear (measured along the entire
    length of the front fork and rear triangle) will be permitted."

    Does that mean the radical forks in the article will not be allowed?
    <https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/how-did-they-keep-this-a-secret-
    insane-new-factor-prototype-blows-minds-at-the-dauphine>



    I don't know. I can't find any information about that fork spacing. That said, this ruling also by definition limits hub spacing, which I don't
    think was covered before this.


    In an unwise move seem to be going after gearing which does feel like it’s stifling innovation.

    https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-to-trial-rule-that-technically-makes-tyres-over-28mm-illegal-with-huge-implications-for-sram-sponsored-teams/

    Which will be a headache for riders using SRAM as their cassettes have a
    10t sprocket.

    I’d say they need to think again.

    Roger Merriman

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  • From Zen Cycle@21:1/5 to Roger Merriman on Fri Jun 20 15:17:30 2025
    On 6/20/2025 9:12 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
    zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 6/19/2025 5:40 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 6/19/2025 4:56 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 6/11/2025 5:33 AM, zen cycle wrote:
    On 6/10/2025 9:15 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 6/10/2025 5:15 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
    Factor Bicycles revealed a new Aero bike prototype at Stage 1 of >>>>>>> the Critérium du Dauphiné this past sunday.

    https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/how-did-they-keep-this-a-secret- >>>>>>> insane- new-factor-prototype-blows-minds-at-the-dauphine/

    In addition to yet more aero shaping of the frame components, it >>>>>>> uses a Hope-style fork with extremely wide-set legs, which have
    been successfully used on track bikes for several years now. The >>>>>>> theory is that the fork legs help shape the air around the rider's >>>>>>> legs, as well as allowing more of the front wheel to hit clean air. >>>>>>
    I wonder how long that fork design will remain legal. UCI is pretty >>>>>> conservative about visible aero tricks.


    It's been legal for track bikes for several years now. Granted, the
    rules for track bikes are a little different, but as of now certain
    things like aerodynamic features on road and track frames alike are
    limited. I give it a much better chance than usual for staying around. >>>>
    https://www.uci.org/pressrelease/the-uci-approves-the-2026-calendars-
    for-the-uci-womens-worldtour-and-uci/4Eom6DCpjNwy5BeppuLXg3

    "For bicycles used in the road (as of 1 January 2026) and track (as of >>>> 1 January 2027) disciplines, only a maximum internal fork width of 115 >>>> mm at the front and 145 mm at the rear (measured along the entire
    length of the front fork and rear triangle) will be permitted."

    Does that mean the radical forks in the article will not be allowed?
    <https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/how-did-they-keep-this-a-secret-
    insane-new-factor-prototype-blows-minds-at-the-dauphine>



    I don't know. I can't find any information about that fork spacing. That
    said, this ruling also by definition limits hub spacing, which I don't
    think was covered before this.


    In an unwise move seem to be going after gearing which does feel like it’s stifling innovation.

    https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-to-trial-rule-that-technically-makes-tyres-over-28mm-illegal-with-huge-implications-for-sram-sponsored-teams/

    Which will be a headache for riders using SRAM as their cassettes have a
    10t sprocket.

    I’d say they need to think again.

    Roger Merriman


    Even more short sighted are the new handlebar width restrictions - they
    make no allowance whatsoever for people of smaller stature, women in particular. With a new limit of a minimum 38cm, fully half the womens professional peloton are now illegal.

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  • From Roger Merriman@21:1/5 to Zen Cycle on Sun Jun 22 10:12:29 2025
    Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 6/20/2025 9:12 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
    zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 6/19/2025 5:40 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 6/19/2025 4:56 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 6/11/2025 5:33 AM, zen cycle wrote:
    On 6/10/2025 9:15 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 6/10/2025 5:15 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
    Factor Bicycles revealed a new Aero bike prototype at Stage 1 of >>>>>>>> the Critérium du Dauphiné this past sunday.

    https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/how-did-they-keep-this-a-secret- >>>>>>>> insane- new-factor-prototype-blows-minds-at-the-dauphine/

    In addition to yet more aero shaping of the frame components, it >>>>>>>> uses a Hope-style fork with extremely wide-set legs, which have >>>>>>>> been successfully used on track bikes for several years now. The >>>>>>>> theory is that the fork legs help shape the air around the rider's >>>>>>>> legs, as well as allowing more of the front wheel to hit clean air. >>>>>>>
    I wonder how long that fork design will remain legal. UCI is pretty >>>>>>> conservative about visible aero tricks.


    It's been legal for track bikes for several years now. Granted, the >>>>>> rules for track bikes are a little different, but as of now certain >>>>>> things like aerodynamic features on road and track frames alike are >>>>>> limited. I give it a much better chance than usual for staying around. >>>>>
    https://www.uci.org/pressrelease/the-uci-approves-the-2026-calendars- >>>>> for-the-uci-womens-worldtour-and-uci/4Eom6DCpjNwy5BeppuLXg3

    "For bicycles used in the road (as of 1 January 2026) and track (as of >>>>> 1 January 2027) disciplines, only a maximum internal fork width of 115 >>>>> mm at the front and 145 mm at the rear (measured along the entire
    length of the front fork and rear triangle) will be permitted."

    Does that mean the radical forks in the article will not be allowed?
    <https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/how-did-they-keep-this-a-secret-
    insane-new-factor-prototype-blows-minds-at-the-dauphine>



    I don't know. I can't find any information about that fork spacing. That >>> said, this ruling also by definition limits hub spacing, which I don't
    think was covered before this.


    In an unwise move seem to be going after gearing which does feel like it’s >> stifling innovation.

    https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-to-trial-rule-that-technically-makes-tyres-over-28mm-illegal-with-huge-implications-for-sram-sponsored-teams/

    Which will be a headache for riders using SRAM as their cassettes have a
    10t sprocket.

    I’d say they need to think again.

    Roger Merriman


    Even more short sighted are the new handlebar width restrictions - they
    make no allowance whatsoever for people of smaller stature, women in particular. With a new limit of a minimum 38cm, fully half the womens professional peloton are now illegal.

    I would hope and expect this to be dropped! Narrow bars unless ultra narrow
    for the rider aren’t that much of risk apparently do get used to them and
    all that, not as good handling wise but not as bad as folks might think.

    Let alone number of smaller folks who would absolutely do better with
    smaller bars and frames, who are still poorly served by bike manufacturers.

    Roger Merriman

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  • From Zen Cycle@21:1/5 to Roger Merriman on Mon Jun 23 10:50:51 2025
    On 6/22/2025 6:12 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
    Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 6/20/2025 9:12 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
    zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 6/19/2025 5:40 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 6/19/2025 4:56 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 6/11/2025 5:33 AM, zen cycle wrote:
    On 6/10/2025 9:15 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 6/10/2025 5:15 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
    Factor Bicycles revealed a new Aero bike prototype at Stage 1 of >>>>>>>>> the Critérium du Dauphiné this past sunday.

    https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/how-did-they-keep-this-a-secret- >>>>>>>>> insane- new-factor-prototype-blows-minds-at-the-dauphine/

    In addition to yet more aero shaping of the frame components, it >>>>>>>>> uses a Hope-style fork with extremely wide-set legs, which have >>>>>>>>> been successfully used on track bikes for several years now. The >>>>>>>>> theory is that the fork legs help shape the air around the rider's >>>>>>>>> legs, as well as allowing more of the front wheel to hit clean air. >>>>>>>>
    I wonder how long that fork design will remain legal. UCI is pretty >>>>>>>> conservative about visible aero tricks.


    It's been legal for track bikes for several years now. Granted, the >>>>>>> rules for track bikes are a little different, but as of now certain >>>>>>> things like aerodynamic features on road and track frames alike are >>>>>>> limited. I give it a much better chance than usual for staying around. >>>>>>
    https://www.uci.org/pressrelease/the-uci-approves-the-2026-calendars- >>>>>> for-the-uci-womens-worldtour-and-uci/4Eom6DCpjNwy5BeppuLXg3

    "For bicycles used in the road (as of 1 January 2026) and track (as of >>>>>> 1 January 2027) disciplines, only a maximum internal fork width of 115 >>>>>> mm at the front and 145 mm at the rear (measured along the entire
    length of the front fork and rear triangle) will be permitted."

    Does that mean the radical forks in the article will not be allowed? >>>>> <https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/how-did-they-keep-this-a-secret-
    insane-new-factor-prototype-blows-minds-at-the-dauphine>



    I don't know. I can't find any information about that fork spacing. That >>>> said, this ruling also by definition limits hub spacing, which I don't >>>> think was covered before this.


    In an unwise move seem to be going after gearing which does feel like it’s
    stifling innovation.

    https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-to-trial-rule-that-technically-makes-tyres-over-28mm-illegal-with-huge-implications-for-sram-sponsored-teams/

    Which will be a headache for riders using SRAM as their cassettes have a >>> 10t sprocket.

    I’d say they need to think again.

    Roger Merriman


    Even more short sighted are the new handlebar width restrictions - they
    make no allowance whatsoever for people of smaller stature, women in
    particular. With a new limit of a minimum 38cm, fully half the womens
    professional peloton are now illegal.

    I would hope and expect this to be dropped! Narrow bars unless ultra narrow for the rider aren’t that much of risk apparently do get used to them and all that, not as good handling wise but not as bad as folks might think.

    Let alone number of smaller folks who would absolutely do better with
    smaller bars and frames, who are still poorly served by bike manufacturers.

    Roger Merriman


    A lot of furor in the industry about this. Just about every cycling
    media has taken the UCI to task. Here's just one example,

    https://bikerumor.com/uci-clairfies-bar-width-rules-road-cycling/

    Also, the world largest database of fit data started an petitioan
    agaisnt the ruling.

    https://www.myvelofit.com/fit-academy/why-the-ucis-new-handlebar/

    I'm guessing it's going to take a lawsuit - likely from the womens pro
    teams since this affects nearly 80 % of their field.

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