• Re: Told you so.

    From Zen Cycle@21:1/5 to Frank Krygowski on Wed Jun 11 17:23:41 2025
    On 6/11/2025 4:50 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 6/11/2025 2:48 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    Information given to the Senste Committee on the vaccine program:

    "the mRNA vaccines are responsible for 74% of all of the deaths
    attributed to Covid-19"

    This is strongly supported by the findings of spike protein in the
    blood of people who died supposedly from covis-19.

    https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/study-does-not-say-covid-vaccines- may-have-fuelled-excess-deaths-2024-06-13/

    You're attempting to counter tommys fabrications with facts? Yeah,
    that'll work....

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  • From Shadow@21:1/5 to frkrygow@sbcglobal.net on Wed Jun 11 20:29:17 2025
    On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 16:50:29 -0400, Frank Krygowski
    <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 6/11/2025 2:48 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    Information given to the Senste Committee on the vaccine program:

    Whoever gave that ridiculous information should be arrested
    for perjury, or whatever you call lying under oath. Assuming "Senste"
    is "Senate" and not some new ultra-sensitive condom.

    "the mRNA vaccines are responsible for 74% of all of the deaths attributed to Covid-19"

    This is strongly supported by the findings of spike protein in the blood of people who died supposedly from covis-19.

    https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/study-does-not-say-covid-vaccines-may-have-fuelled-excess-deaths-2024-06-13/

    Our Tom is having trouble interpreting simple facts.

    Covid uses the spike protein to enter the cells. So EVERY
    SINGLE person infected with Covid should have a positive blood test
    for spike protein(or their antibodies). That includes everyone that
    was STUPID enough NOT to get vaccinated.
    Maybe what Tom is saying is that, of all the people that died
    of Covid, 74% were people that refused to get vaccinated. So the
    authorities responsible for vaccination ARE guilty, because they
    should have made it mandatory. Shame on you Fauci (and Trump who hired
    him).
    []'s
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  • From zen cycle@21:1/5 to Shadow on Thu Jun 12 06:25:40 2025
    On 6/11/2025 7:29 PM, Shadow wrote:
    On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 16:50:29 -0400, Frank Krygowski
    <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 6/11/2025 2:48 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    Information given to the Senste Committee on the vaccine program:

    Whoever gave that ridiculous information should be arrested
    for perjury, or whatever you call lying under oath. Assuming "Senste"
    is "Senate" and not some new ultra-sensitive condom.

    "the mRNA vaccines are responsible for 74% of all of the deaths attributed to Covid-19"

    This is strongly supported by the findings of spike protein in the blood of people who died supposedly from covis-19.

    https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/study-does-not-say-covid-vaccines-may-have-fuelled-excess-deaths-2024-06-13/

    Our Tom is having trouble interpreting simple facts.

    yeah....newsflash <yawn>


    Covid uses the spike protein to enter the cells. So EVERY
    SINGLE person infected with Covid should have a positive blood test
    for spike protein(or their antibodies). That includes everyone that
    was STUPID enough NOT to get vaccinated.
    Maybe what Tom is saying is that, of all the people that died
    of Covid, 74% were people that refused to get vaccinated. So the
    authorities responsible for vaccination ARE guilty, because they
    should have made it mandatory. Shame on you Fauci (and Trump who hired
    him).
    []'s

    lol...no, that's not what tommy is saying at all. He legitimately
    believes covid 19 was no more dangerous than the common seasonal flu,
    and that all the deaths attributed to covid 19 were caused by the vaccine.

    Of course, he hasn't squared that with why so many millions died before
    the vaccines were available.

    I'm sure in his mind it was Obamas fault....somehow (or maybe he's
    twisted it around enough that it was Bidens fault people died before the vaccine was ready....who knows what weird scenarios can come out of his perverted little mind)

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  • From Shadow@21:1/5 to funkmasterxx@hotmail.com on Thu Jun 12 15:00:32 2025
    On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 06:25:40 -0400, zen cycle
    <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 6/11/2025 7:29 PM, Shadow wrote:
    On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 16:50:29 -0400, Frank Krygowski
    <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 6/11/2025 2:48 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    Information given to the Senste Committee on the vaccine program:

    Whoever gave that ridiculous information should be arrested
    for perjury, or whatever you call lying under oath. Assuming "Senste"
    is "Senate" and not some new ultra-sensitive condom.

    "the mRNA vaccines are responsible for 74% of all of the deaths attributed to Covid-19"

    This is strongly supported by the findings of spike protein in the blood of people who died supposedly from covis-19.

    https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/study-does-not-say-covid-vaccines-may-have-fuelled-excess-deaths-2024-06-13/

    Our Tom is having trouble interpreting simple facts.

    yeah....newsflash <yawn>


    Covid uses the spike protein to enter the cells. So EVERY
    SINGLE person infected with Covid should have a positive blood test
    for spike protein(or their antibodies). That includes everyone that
    was STUPID enough NOT to get vaccinated.
    Maybe what Tom is saying is that, of all the people that died
    of Covid, 74% were people that refused to get vaccinated. So the
    authorities responsible for vaccination ARE guilty, because they
    should have made it mandatory. Shame on you Fauci (and Trump who hired
    him).
    []'s

    lol...no, that's not what tommy is saying at all. He legitimately
    believes covid 19 was no more dangerous than the common seasonal flu,
    and that all the deaths attributed to covid 19 were caused by the vaccine.

    Of course, he hasn't squared that with why so many millions died before
    the vaccines were available.

    I'm sure in his mind it was Obamas fault....somehow (or maybe he's
    twisted it around enough that it was Bidens fault people died before the >vaccine was ready....who knows what weird scenarios can come out of his >perverted little mind)

    I get the picture
    <https://thumbsnap.com/i/AJxh4frF.jpg?0612>
    []'s
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  • From Zen Cycle@21:1/5 to Shadow on Thu Jun 12 14:36:45 2025
    On 6/12/2025 2:00 PM, Shadow wrote:
    On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 06:25:40 -0400, zen cycle
    <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 6/11/2025 7:29 PM, Shadow wrote:
    On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 16:50:29 -0400, Frank Krygowski
    <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 6/11/2025 2:48 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    Information given to the Senste Committee on the vaccine program:

    Whoever gave that ridiculous information should be arrested
    for perjury, or whatever you call lying under oath. Assuming "Senste"
    is "Senate" and not some new ultra-sensitive condom.

    "the mRNA vaccines are responsible for 74% of all of the deaths attributed to Covid-19"

    This is strongly supported by the findings of spike protein in the blood of people who died supposedly from covis-19.

    https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/study-does-not-say-covid-vaccines-may-have-fuelled-excess-deaths-2024-06-13/

    Our Tom is having trouble interpreting simple facts.

    yeah....newsflash <yawn>


    Covid uses the spike protein to enter the cells. So EVERY
    SINGLE person infected with Covid should have a positive blood test
    for spike protein(or their antibodies). That includes everyone that
    was STUPID enough NOT to get vaccinated.
    Maybe what Tom is saying is that, of all the people that died
    of Covid, 74% were people that refused to get vaccinated. So the
    authorities responsible for vaccination ARE guilty, because they
    should have made it mandatory. Shame on you Fauci (and Trump who hired
    him).
    []'s

    lol...no, that's not what tommy is saying at all. He legitimately
    believes covid 19 was no more dangerous than the common seasonal flu,
    and that all the deaths attributed to covid 19 were caused by the vaccine. >>
    Of course, he hasn't squared that with why so many millions died before
    the vaccines were available.

    I'm sure in his mind it was Obamas fault....somehow (or maybe he's
    twisted it around enough that it was Bidens fault people died before the
    vaccine was ready....who knows what weird scenarios can come out of his
    perverted little mind)

    I get the picture
    <https://thumbsnap.com/i/AJxh4frF.jpg?0612>
    []'s


    More like this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBjLinANG3g

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  • From Shadow@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 12 17:02:30 2025
    On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 14:36:45 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 6/12/2025 2:00 PM, Shadow wrote:
    On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 06:25:40 -0400, zen cycle
    <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 6/11/2025 7:29 PM, Shadow wrote:
    On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 16:50:29 -0400, Frank Krygowski
    <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 6/11/2025 2:48 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    Information given to the Senste Committee on the vaccine program:

    Whoever gave that ridiculous information should be arrested
    for perjury, or whatever you call lying under oath. Assuming "Senste"
    is "Senate" and not some new ultra-sensitive condom.

    "the mRNA vaccines are responsible for 74% of all of the deaths attributed to Covid-19"

    This is strongly supported by the findings of spike protein in the blood of people who died supposedly from covis-19.

    https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/study-does-not-say-covid-vaccines-may-have-fuelled-excess-deaths-2024-06-13/

    Our Tom is having trouble interpreting simple facts.

    yeah....newsflash <yawn>


    Covid uses the spike protein to enter the cells. So EVERY
    SINGLE person infected with Covid should have a positive blood test
    for spike protein(or their antibodies). That includes everyone that
    was STUPID enough NOT to get vaccinated.
    Maybe what Tom is saying is that, of all the people that died
    of Covid, 74% were people that refused to get vaccinated. So the
    authorities responsible for vaccination ARE guilty, because they
    should have made it mandatory. Shame on you Fauci (and Trump who hired >>>> him).
    []'s

    lol...no, that's not what tommy is saying at all. He legitimately
    believes covid 19 was no more dangerous than the common seasonal flu,
    and that all the deaths attributed to covid 19 were caused by the vaccine. >>>
    Of course, he hasn't squared that with why so many millions died before
    the vaccines were available.

    I'm sure in his mind it was Obamas fault....somehow (or maybe he's
    twisted it around enough that it was Bidens fault people died before the >>> vaccine was ready....who knows what weird scenarios can come out of his
    perverted little mind)

    I get the picture
    <https://thumbsnap.com/i/AJxh4frF.jpg?0612>
    []'s

    Someone here reported it, and it was taken down. Can you
    believe it? The image has been there for 40 days...
    Someone here hates "free speech".


    More like this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBjLinANG3g

    Can't watch it on this computer. Glugle blocked.
    Maybe tomorrow, on a public computer.
    Link saved.
    []'s


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  • From Zen Cycle@21:1/5 to Shadow on Fri Jun 13 11:04:15 2025
    On 6/12/2025 4:02 PM, Shadow wrote:
    On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 14:36:45 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 6/12/2025 2:00 PM, Shadow wrote:
    On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 06:25:40 -0400, zen cycle
    <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 6/11/2025 7:29 PM, Shadow wrote:
    On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 16:50:29 -0400, Frank Krygowski
    <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 6/11/2025 2:48 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    Information given to the Senste Committee on the vaccine program:

    Whoever gave that ridiculous information should be arrested
    for perjury, or whatever you call lying under oath. Assuming "Senste" >>>>> is "Senate" and not some new ultra-sensitive condom.

    "the mRNA vaccines are responsible for 74% of all of the deaths attributed to Covid-19"

    This is strongly supported by the findings of spike protein in the blood of people who died supposedly from covis-19.

    https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/study-does-not-say-covid-vaccines-may-have-fuelled-excess-deaths-2024-06-13/

    Our Tom is having trouble interpreting simple facts.

    yeah....newsflash <yawn>


    Covid uses the spike protein to enter the cells. So EVERY
    SINGLE person infected with Covid should have a positive blood test
    for spike protein(or their antibodies). That includes everyone that
    was STUPID enough NOT to get vaccinated.
    Maybe what Tom is saying is that, of all the people that died
    of Covid, 74% were people that refused to get vaccinated. So the
    authorities responsible for vaccination ARE guilty, because they
    should have made it mandatory. Shame on you Fauci (and Trump who hired >>>>> him).
    []'s

    lol...no, that's not what tommy is saying at all. He legitimately
    believes covid 19 was no more dangerous than the common seasonal flu,
    and that all the deaths attributed to covid 19 were caused by the vaccine. >>>>
    Of course, he hasn't squared that with why so many millions died before >>>> the vaccines were available.

    I'm sure in his mind it was Obamas fault....somehow (or maybe he's
    twisted it around enough that it was Bidens fault people died before the >>>> vaccine was ready....who knows what weird scenarios can come out of his >>>> perverted little mind)

    I get the picture
    <https://thumbsnap.com/i/AJxh4frF.jpg?0612>
    []'s

    Someone here reported it, and it was taken down. Can you
    believe it? The image has been there for 40 days...
    Someone here hates "free speech".

    It had pornographic ads on the website. It wasn't me, I'm an ardent
    supporter of sexually based entertainment, but a NSFW heads-up would
    have been appreciated.

    For that matter it still comes up for me, but for some reason rather
    than an image it has a test description of the image - It was like that yesterday too.



    More like this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBjLinANG3g

    Can't watch it on this computer. Glugle blocked.
    Maybe tomorrow, on a public computer.
    Link saved.
    []'s




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  • From Rolf Mantel@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 13 17:36:49 2025
    Am 13.06.2025 um 17:04 schrieb Zen Cycle:
    On 6/12/2025 4:02 PM, Shadow wrote:
    On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 14:36:45 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 6/12/2025 2:00 PM, Shadow wrote:
    On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 06:25:40 -0400, zen cycle
    <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 6/11/2025 7:29 PM, Shadow wrote:
    On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 16:50:29 -0400, Frank Krygowski
    <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 6/11/2025 2:48 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    Information given to the Senste Committee on the vaccine program: >>>>>>
        Whoever gave that ridiculous information should be arrested >>>>>> for perjury, or whatever you call lying under oath. Assuming "Senste" >>>>>> is "Senate" and not some new ultra-sensitive condom.

    "the mRNA vaccines are responsible for 74% of all of the deaths >>>>>>>> attributed to Covid-19"

    This is strongly supported by the findings of spike protein in >>>>>>>> the blood of people who died supposedly from covis-19.

    https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/study-does-not-say-covid-
    vaccines-may-have-fuelled-excess-deaths-2024-06-13/

        Our Tom is having trouble interpreting simple facts.

    yeah....newsflash <yawn>


        Covid uses the spike protein to enter the cells. So EVERY
    SINGLE person infected with Covid should have a positive blood test >>>>>> for spike protein(or their antibodies). That includes everyone that >>>>>> was STUPID enough NOT to get vaccinated.
        Maybe what Tom is saying is that, of all the people that died >>>>>> of Covid, 74% were people that refused to get vaccinated. So the
    authorities responsible for vaccination ARE guilty, because  they >>>>>> should have made it mandatory. Shame on you Fauci (and Trump who
    hired
    him).
        []'s

       lol...no, that's not what tommy is saying at all. He legitimately >>>>> believes covid 19 was no more dangerous than the common seasonal flu, >>>>> and that all the deaths attributed to covid 19 were caused by the
    vaccine.

    Of course, he hasn't squared that with why so many millions died
    before
    the vaccines were available.

    I'm sure in his mind it was Obamas fault....somehow (or maybe he's
    twisted it around enough that it was Bidens fault people died
    before the
    vaccine was ready....who knows what weird scenarios can come out of
    his
    perverted little mind)

        I get the picture
    <https://thumbsnap.com/i/AJxh4frF.jpg?0612>
        []'s

        Someone here reported it, and it was taken down. Can you
    believe it? The image has been there for 40 days...
        Someone here hates "free speech".

    It had pornographic ads on the website. It wasn't me, I'm an ardent
    supporter of sexually based entertainment, but a NSFW heads-up would
    have been appreciated.

    For that matter it still comes up for me, but for some reason rather
    than an image it has a test description of the image - It was like that yesterday too.

    It's coming up perfectly fine for me, soe somebody seems to have put an US-block on the picture.

    Now that you mention it, those ads even come through to my work PC where sexually based entertainment normally is blocked.

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  • From Shadow@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 13 14:44:00 2025
    On Fri, 13 Jun 2025 11:04:15 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 6/12/2025 4:02 PM, Shadow wrote:
    On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 14:36:45 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 6/12/2025 2:00 PM, Shadow wrote:
    On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 06:25:40 -0400, zen cycle
    <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 6/11/2025 7:29 PM, Shadow wrote:
    On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 16:50:29 -0400, Frank Krygowski
    <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 6/11/2025 2:48 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    Information given to the Senste Committee on the vaccine program: >>>>>>
    Whoever gave that ridiculous information should be arrested
    for perjury, or whatever you call lying under oath. Assuming "Senste" >>>>>> is "Senate" and not some new ultra-sensitive condom.

    "the mRNA vaccines are responsible for 74% of all of the deaths attributed to Covid-19"

    This is strongly supported by the findings of spike protein in the blood of people who died supposedly from covis-19.

    https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/study-does-not-say-covid-vaccines-may-have-fuelled-excess-deaths-2024-06-13/

    Our Tom is having trouble interpreting simple facts.

    yeah....newsflash <yawn>


    Covid uses the spike protein to enter the cells. So EVERY
    SINGLE person infected with Covid should have a positive blood test >>>>>> for spike protein(or their antibodies). That includes everyone that >>>>>> was STUPID enough NOT to get vaccinated.
    Maybe what Tom is saying is that, of all the people that died
    of Covid, 74% were people that refused to get vaccinated. So the
    authorities responsible for vaccination ARE guilty, because they
    should have made it mandatory. Shame on you Fauci (and Trump who hired >>>>>> him).
    []'s

    lol...no, that's not what tommy is saying at all. He legitimately >>>>> believes covid 19 was no more dangerous than the common seasonal flu, >>>>> and that all the deaths attributed to covid 19 were caused by the vaccine.

    Of course, he hasn't squared that with why so many millions died before >>>>> the vaccines were available.

    I'm sure in his mind it was Obamas fault....somehow (or maybe he's
    twisted it around enough that it was Bidens fault people died before the >>>>> vaccine was ready....who knows what weird scenarios can come out of his >>>>> perverted little mind)

    I get the picture
    <https://thumbsnap.com/i/AJxh4frF.jpg?0612>
    []'s

    Someone here reported it, and it was taken down. Can you
    believe it? The image has been there for 40 days...
    Someone here hates "free speech".

    There's Pr0N on thumbsnap, as there is in ANY site that
    defends free speech and allows non-censured uploads. Note that people
    that post Pr0N WITHOUT a NSFW tag are breaking the rules.

    BTW, wget still downloads the image:

    //
    wget https://thumbsnap.com/i/AJxh4frF.jpg
    --2025-06-13 14:35:26-- https://thumbsnap.com/i/AJxh4frF.jpg
    Resolving thumbsnap.com (thumbsnap.com)... 104.21.84.184
    Connecting to thumbsnap.com (thumbsnap.com)|104.21.84.184|:443...
    connected.
    HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
    Length: 54751 (53K) [image/jpeg]
    Saving to: 'AJxh4frF.jpg'

    AJxh4frF.jpg 100%[===================>] 53,47K --.-KB/s in
    0,04s

    2025-06-13 14:35:27 (1,31 MB/s) - 'AJxh4frF.jpg' saved [54751/54751]
    //

    It's not a "Pr0N" image.Unless you have very different idea of
    what Pr0N is.
    []'s


    It had pornographic ads on the website. It wasn't me, I'm an ardent
    supporter of sexually based entertainment, but a NSFW heads-up would
    have been appreciated.

    For that matter it still comes up for me, but for some reason rather
    than an image it has a test description of the image - It was like that >yesterday too.



    More like this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBjLinANG3g

    Can't watch it on this computer. Glugle blocked.
    Maybe tomorrow, on a public computer.

    PS watched and commented.
    Link saved.
    []'s


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  • From Shadow@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 13 15:37:07 2025
    On Fri, 13 Jun 2025 16:19:09 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On Thu Jun 12 15:00:32 2025 Shadow wrote:

    I get the picture
    <https://thumbsnap.com/i/AJxh4frF.jpg?0612>




    So your present hobby isn't cycling but pornography?

    Trump must be re-directing the URL to one of the videos Musk
    has of him having sex with 10 year old girls.
    No Pr0N when I access the link. No Pr0N for British readers.
    It's a TLA Amrican thing.
    []'s
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  • From Shadow@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 13 15:46:11 2025
    On Fri, 13 Jun 2025 16:32:11 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed Jun 11 17:23:41 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 6/11/2025 4:50 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 6/11/2025 2:48 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    Information given to the Senste Committee on the vaccine program:

    "the mRNA vaccines are responsible for 74% of all of the deaths
    attributed to Covid-19"

    This is strongly supported by the findings of spike protein in the
    blood of people who died supposedly from covis-19.

    https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/study-does-not-say-covid-vaccines-
    may-have-fuelled-excess-deaths-2024-06-13/

    You're attempting to counter tommys fabrications with facts? Yeah,
    that'll work....




    Apparently Eeuters removed that article.

    Trump must be censoring it. You KNOW you're under a
    dictatorship when you can't access public documents.

    Here are the first few paragraphs of the article:

    //

    Fact Check: Study does not say COVID vaccines may have fuelled excess
    deaths
    By Reuters Fact Check
    June 13, 202410:20 AM UTC
    Reuters Fact Check logo
    A newly released study does not say COVID-19 vaccines may have fuelled
    excess deaths across the world, contrary to claims on social media.
    The journal which published the analysis has issued a statement, opens
    new tab calling news from various outlets about the paper misreporting
    and emphasising that the research does not support the claim that
    vaccines are a major contributory factor to excess deaths since the
    start of the pandemic.
    Health data experts interviewed by Reuters also said that while the
    paper, published, opens new tab by BMJ Public Health, discusses excess mortality during the 2020-2022 pandemic, it does not say COVID
    vaccines were driving the deaths.
    //

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  • From Shadow@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 13 15:52:30 2025
    On Fri, 13 Jun 2025 17:27:53 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed Jun 11 16:50:29 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 6/11/2025 2:48 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    Information given to the Senste Committee on the vaccine program:

    "the mRNA vaccines are responsible for 74% of all of the deaths attributed to Covid-19"

    This is strongly supported by the findings of spike protein in the blood of people who died supposedly from covis-19.

    https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/study-does-not-say-covid-vaccines-may-have-fuelled-excess-deaths-2024-06-13/




    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8709364/ >https://publichealthpolicyjournal.com/a-systematic-review-of-autopsy-findings-in-deaths-after-covid-19-vaccination/
    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10022421/ >https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34945172/ >https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10874131/ >https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/heavily-censored-autopsies-study >https://drjessesantiano.com/sars-cov-2-spike-protein-and-mrna-can-get-inside-the-human-nucleus/


    Oh, wait a minute - these papers are ALL incorrect according to Shadow and that medical dean - Flunky. Meathead also denies their very existance. They show nothing because ONE paper was withdrawn for questionable methodology. Not that it was wrong but
    because it allowed room for argument.

    LOL. I'll read what the "Lioness of Judah" has to say about
    vaccines. Or maybe not....
    PS Are you being serious or having a stroke?
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  • From Zen Cycle@21:1/5 to Shadow on Fri Jun 13 14:55:59 2025
    On 6/13/2025 2:46 PM, Shadow wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Jun 2025 16:32:11 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed Jun 11 17:23:41 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 6/11/2025 4:50 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 6/11/2025 2:48 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    Information given to the Senste Committee on the vaccine program:

    "the mRNA vaccines are responsible for 74% of all of the deaths
    attributed to Covid-19"

    This is strongly supported by the findings of spike protein in the
    blood of people who died supposedly from covis-19.

    https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/study-does-not-say-covid-vaccines-
    may-have-fuelled-excess-deaths-2024-06-13/

    You're attempting to counter tommys fabrications with facts? Yeah,
    that'll work....




    Apparently Eeuters removed that article.

    Trump must be censoring it. You KNOW you're under a
    dictatorship when you can't access public documents.

    No, it works. Tommy is just being tommy again.


    Here are the first few paragraphs of the article:

    //

    Fact Check: Study does not say COVID vaccines may have fuelled excess
    deaths
    By Reuters Fact Check
    June 13, 202410:20 AM UTC
    Reuters Fact Check logo
    A newly released study does not say COVID-19 vaccines may have fuelled
    excess deaths across the world, contrary to claims on social media.
    The journal which published the analysis has issued a statement, opens
    new tab calling news from various outlets about the paper misreporting
    and emphasising that the research does not support the claim that
    vaccines are a major contributory factor to excess deaths since the
    start of the pandemic.
    Health data experts interviewed by Reuters also said that while the
    paper, published, opens new tab by BMJ Public Health, discusses excess mortality during the 2020-2022 pandemic, it does not say COVID
    vaccines were driving the deaths.
    //

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  • From Zen Cycle@21:1/5 to Shadow on Fri Jun 13 15:49:21 2025
    On 6/13/2025 2:52 PM, Shadow wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Jun 2025 17:27:53 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed Jun 11 16:50:29 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 6/11/2025 2:48 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    Information given to the Senste Committee on the vaccine program:

    "the mRNA vaccines are responsible for 74% of all of the deaths attributed to Covid-19"

    This is strongly supported by the findings of spike protein in the blood of people who died supposedly from covis-19.

    https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/study-does-not-say-covid-vaccines-may-have-fuelled-excess-deaths-2024-06-13/


    As usual, tommy provides links which are either conspiracy based, don't
    contain information he says it does, or contradicts information he says
    it contains.

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8709364/

    "these severe adverse effects are extremely rare: 3 to 10 cases per
    million. Similar complications are lower for the two messenger RNA
    (mRNA)-based vaccines (BNT162b2 and mRNA-1273): severe adverse effects
    have been estimated to occur in 0.8 to 1 case per million"

    https://publichealthpolicyjournal.com/a-systematic-review-of-autopsy-findings-in-deaths-after-covid-19-vaccination/

    Focuses exclusively on the elderly ("The mean age of death was 70.4
    years") and doesn't consider "confounding variables, particularly
    concomitant illnesses, infection, drug interactions, and other factors
    not accounted for, could have played roles in the causal pathway to death".

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10022421/

    "Combined descriptive analysis for the vaccines BNT162b2, mRNA‐1273, and ChAdOx1 nCov‐19 (AstraZeneca) was reported to the WHO Global Database
    for Individual Case Safety Reports (VigiBase) from December 13, 2020 to
    March 16, 2021, stated a rate of 0.21 cases of thrombotic events
    including CVT per 1 million individual vaccinated days"

    "The European Medicines Agency has officially reported myocarditis as a
    side effect post‐RNA vaccination, which is predominantly found among
    males, corresponding to 1.60 cases/million doses for Pfizer−BioNTech and
    3.04 cases/million doses for Moderna in the region."


    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34945172/

    Same paper as the first link

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10874131/

    "mRNA vaccination was associated with a lower excess mortality in Japan
    during the period, whereas the proportion of elderly individuals was
    associated with an increase in excess mortality. Thus, a policy of
    aggressive recommendations for mRNA vaccination is justified."

    "According to the current results, a 1% increase in the partial
    vaccination rate would have resulted in a decrease in excess mortality
    of approximately 0.005%, a reduction of five per 100,000 people over the
    entire period, or a reduction of three per 100,000 people in about two
    years after July 2021"

    https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/heavily-censored-autopsies-study

    "Lioness of Judah" lol...ok, this was a repost by a right wing
    conspiracy theorist named frank bergman. This post regurgitates the
    information from the Public Health Policy link (above), but omits
    "confounding variables, particularly concomitant illnesses, infection,
    drug interactions, and other factors not accounted for, could have
    played roles in the causal pathway to death"

    Bergmans own website has such gems as "Major Study: ‘Massive Metallic Objects’ Found in Bodies of Covid-Vaxxed"

    https://drjessesantiano.com/sars-cov-2-spike-protein-and-mrna-can-get-inside-the-human-nucleus/

    This post describes how SARS-CoV-2 can infect the nucleus of human
    cells. It doesn't make any claims about the efficacy of vaccines. In
    fact, it doesn't mention vaccines at all.



    Oh, wait a minute - these papers are ALL incorrect according to Shadow and that medical dean - Flunky.

    No, most of the _are_ correct. The only one that isn't is the
    whackadoodle "lioness of Judah"


    Meathead also denies their very existance.

    No one is denying the existence of these papers, including the
    conspiracy sites.

    They show nothing because ONE paper was withdrawn for questionable methodology. Not that it was wrong but because it allowed room for argument.

    Which paper was that?


    LOL. I'll read what the "Lioness of Judah" has to say about
    vaccines. Or maybe not....
    PS Are you being serious or having a stroke?

    He's serious, he's tommy.....


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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 13 14:31:24 2025
    On Fri, 13 Jun 2025 16:32:11 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed Jun 11 17:23:41 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 6/11/2025 4:50 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 6/11/2025 2:48 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    Information given to the Senste Committee on the vaccine program:

    "the mRNA vaccines are responsible for 74% of all of the deaths
    attributed to Covid-19"

    This is strongly supported by the findings of spike protein in the
    blood of people who died supposedly from covis-19.

    https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/study-does-not-say-covid-vaccines-
    may-have-fuelled-excess-deaths-2024-06-13/

    You're attempting to counter tommys fabrications with facts? Yeah,
    that'll work....

    Apparently Eeuters removed that article. But nither you nor meathead noticed that.

    The article did not disappear. What happened is Frank forgot to
    include angle brackets <URL> also known as sideways carets, to
    prevent the next comment, by Zen Cycle, from bisecting the URL with a
    line break. That's why I include angle brackets in every URL I cite.
    This should work. Try again: <https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/study-does-not-say-covid-vaccines-may-have-fuelled-excess-deaths-2024-06-13/>

    Drivel: Today's trudge through Quail Hollow County Park was
    abbreviated because everyone (including me) had somehow injured
    themselves in various ways. In my case, the full length of my right
    leg had a rather painful cramp. I walked, I complained and I endured. Fortunately, everyone mostly recovered by the end the walk. Great
    weather and cute goslings:
    <https://www.strava.com/activities/14788863215>


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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to frkrygow@sbcglobal.net on Fri Jun 13 21:01:23 2025
    On Fri, 13 Jun 2025 21:48:12 -0400, Frank Krygowski
    <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 6/13/2025 5:31 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Jun 2025 16:32:11 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed Jun 11 17:23:41 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 6/11/2025 4:50 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 6/11/2025 2:48 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    Information given to the Senste Committee on the vaccine program:

    "the mRNA vaccines are responsible for 74% of all of the deaths
    attributed to Covid-19"

    This is strongly supported by the findings of spike protein in the >>>>>> blood of people who died supposedly from covis-19.

    https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/study-does-not-say-covid-vaccines- >>>>> may-have-fuelled-excess-deaths-2024-06-13/

    You're attempting to counter tommys fabrications with facts? Yeah,
    that'll work....

    Apparently Eeuters removed that article. But nither you nor meathead noticed that.

    The article did not disappear. What happened is Frank forgot to
    include angle brackets <URL> also known as sideways carets, to
    prevent the next comment, by Zen Cycle, from bisecting the URL with a
    line break. That's why I include angle brackets in every URL I cite.
    This should work. Try again:
    <https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/study-does-not-say-covid-vaccines-may-have-fuelled-excess-deaths-2024-06-13/>

    Hmm. I don't normally need to do that trick with angle brackets. I
    generally just highlight a URL, hit Ctrl-C then paste it into whatever
    I'm writing. It almost always works fine. In fact, I don't recall any >complaints.

    If I was as trigger happy as Tom, I would have complained. Instead, I
    just cut and paste the bisected URL into its original form, add the
    two angle brackets, and continue with my rant. For what it's worth,
    not butchering long URL's, by adding the angle brackets, make things
    easier to read and reply.

    The problem is that the angle brackets are optional for URL's and are
    not part of the formal Usenet specifications. The original plan was
    that the news reader program would automagically recognize a URL, add
    the angle brackets, and not butcher the URL. I don't know why it
    didn't happen. Some news readers add the angle brackets for you, but
    most do not.

    <https://www.w3.org/Addressing/URL/5.1_Wrappers.html>
    "This section does not formally form part of the URL specification"
    "The recommendation is that the angle brackets (less than and greater
    than signs) of the ASCII set be used for this purpose."


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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Sat Jun 14 12:24:58 2025
    On 6/14/2025 12:17 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Fri Jun 13 14:55:59 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 6/13/2025 2:46 PM, Shadow wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Jun 2025 16:32:11 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed Jun 11 17:23:41 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 6/11/2025 4:50 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 6/11/2025 2:48 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    Information given to the Senste Committee on the vaccine program: >>>>>>>
    "the mRNA vaccines are responsible for 74% of all of the deaths
    attributed to Covid-19"

    This is strongly supported by the findings of spike protein in the >>>>>>> blood of people who died supposedly from covis-19.

    https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/study-does-not-say-covid-vaccines- >>>>>> may-have-fuelled-excess-deaths-2024-06-13/

    You're attempting to counter tommys fabrications with facts? Yeah, >>>>> that'll work....




    Apparently Eeuters removed that article.

    Trump must be censoring it. You KNOW you're under a
    dictatorship when you can't access public documents.

    No, it works. Tommy is just being tommy again.


    Here are the first few paragraphs of the article:

    //

    Fact Check: Study does not say COVID vaccines may have fuelled excess
    deaths
    By Reuters Fact Check
    June 13, 202410:20 AM UTC
    Reuters Fact Check logo
    A newly released study does not say COVID-19 vaccines may have fuelled
    excess deaths across the world, contrary to claims on social media.
    The journal which published the analysis has issued a statement, opens
    new tab calling news from various outlets about the paper misreporting
    and emphasising that the research does not support the claim that
    vaccines are a major contributory factor to excess deaths since the
    start of the pandemic.
    Health data experts interviewed by Reuters also said that while the
    paper, published, opens new tab by BMJ Public Health, discusses excess
    mortality during the 2020-2022 pandemic, it does not say COVID
    vaccines were driving the deaths.




    Reuters is BRITISH and Trump can have no control over it. But Flunky being Flunky doesn't know this. The beleieves that because you can access it on the Internet which never forgets, it must therefore be correct.

    Doctors of good experience including one who was permanently crippled by ONE shot of covid-19 vavvine testified about the many types of illnesses but Flunky being a board certified MD charading as an EE tells us that they are all wrong and he is the
    real authority on everything under the sun which just happens to coincide with the far left point of view.

    Thomson Reuters is a Canadian entity: https://www.globaldata.com/company-profile/thomson-reuters-corp/locations/

    They are NYSE listed: https://www.dnb.com/business-directory/company-profiles.thomson_reuters_corporation.054dd91762ac7ceff88cab67036a1557.html

    Their history is also German, French and British in various
    prior incarnations.


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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 14 10:41:08 2025
    On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 17:17:20 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    Reuters is BRITISH and Trump can have no control over it.

    Thomson-Reuters has its headquarters in Canada: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomson_Reuters>
    Thomson Corp bought Reuters Group in 2008. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomson_Reuters#Thomson_acquisition_of_Reuters> "In 2009, it unified its dual listed company structure and stopped its
    listing on the London Stock Exchange and NASDAQ. As of October 2022,
    it was listed only as Thomson Reuters Corporation on the New York
    Stock Exchange and Toronto Stock Exchange (symbol: TRI)."

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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Sat Jun 14 10:52:36 2025
    On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 12:24:58 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 6/14/2025 12:17 PM, cyclintom wrote:

    Reuters is BRITISH and Trump can have no control over it. But Flunky being Flunky doesn't know this. The beleieves that because you can access it on the Internet which never forgets, it must therefore be correct.

    Thomson Reuters is a Canadian entity: >https://www.globaldata.com/company-profile/thomson-reuters-corp/locations/

    They are NYSE listed: >https://www.dnb.com/business-directory/company-profiles.thomson_reuters_corporation.054dd91762ac7ceff88cab67036a1557.html

    Their history is also German, French and British in various
    prior incarnations.

    Oops. My apologies for duplicating your posting. I posted the same information 17 minutes after you had posted your message. When I
    checked for new messages, both yours and mine arrived at the same
    time.



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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 14 11:45:29 2025
    On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 18:24:51 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    Frank, have you watched the Congressional Committee on vaccines? We just saw 6 doctors including a surgeon who had ONE Pfizer injection and is permanently injured testifying. All negative and ALL saying that the mRNA vaccines have been been responsible
    for 74% of the deaths attributed to Covid-19.

    Kennedy fired all 17 members of the committee on June 9.

    "RFK Jr. removes all 17 members of CDC's vaccine advisory committee" <https://abcnews.go.com/Health/rfk-jr-removing-17-members-cdcs-vaccine-advisory/story?id=122670046>
    "...HHS said the Biden administration appointed all 17 sitting ACIP
    members, with 13 of those appointments occurring in 2024."

    and is replacing them with people that will probably follow his
    politicized opinions:

    "Kennedys new CDC panel includes members who have criticized vaccines
    and spread misinformation" <https://apnews.com/article/cdc-acip-vaccine-committee-9f58e1f004075b081718ff078de88d76>

    Deja Vu. I've seen this before when President Nixon was endlessly
    replacing National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse members that
    would follow his agenda and declare marijuana to be a health hazard.

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Jeff Liebermann on Sat Jun 14 13:59:13 2025
    On 6/14/2025 12:52 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 12:24:58 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 6/14/2025 12:17 PM, cyclintom wrote:

    Reuters is BRITISH and Trump can have no control over it. But Flunky being Flunky doesn't know this. The beleieves that because you can access it on the Internet which never forgets, it must therefore be correct.

    Thomson Reuters is a Canadian entity:
    https://www.globaldata.com/company-profile/thomson-reuters-corp/locations/ >>
    They are NYSE listed:
    https://www.dnb.com/business-directory/company-profiles.thomson_reuters_corporation.054dd91762ac7ceff88cab67036a1557.html

    Their history is also German, French and British in various
    prior incarnations.

    Oops. My apologies for duplicating your posting. I posted the same information 17 minutes after you had posted your message. When I
    checked for new messages, both yours and mine arrived at the same
    time.




    I don't see anyone rushing to confirm Mr Kunich's post.

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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 14 12:08:42 2025
    On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 18:38:21 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On Sat Jun 14 10:41:08 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 17:17:20 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    Reuters is BRITISH and Trump can have no control over it.

    Thomson-Reuters has its headquarters in Canada:
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomson_Reuters>
    Thomson Corp bought Reuters Group in 2008.
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomson_Reuters#Thomson_acquisition_of_Reuters>
    "In 2009, it unified its dual listed company structure and stopped its
    listing on the London Stock Exchange and NASDAQ. As of October 2022,
    it was listed only as Thomson Reuters Corporation on the New York
    Stock Exchange and Toronto Stock Exchange (symbol: TRI)."




    So what you're saying is that Reuters USED to be a British company but has since been sold to a Canadian company. And it just happened to occur when I was having no memory and seizures most of the time.

    What difference to the conversation did it make since the point was that it WASN'T an American comapny and so couldn't have any effect from President Trump?

    I wonder if there is no point no matter how small that you could actually understand. A reservoir fills with mud in a very heavy rain year and you deny it was ever a reservoir. For the last three months, they have even been digging the mud out of the
    creek below the reservoir. I'm sure that you don't mind telling me that it ain't so, despite you haven't been there and I have. But then you claimeed that the road in Cull Canyon wasn't covered in mud as the County had bulldozers pushing it off of the
    roads.

    A normal human being would be embarassed by the things you say, but not only are you not but you continue with your BS on and on trapped in your hole in the Santa Cruz mountains

    I wasn't making any claims involving how Reuters might be affected by
    Trump, removing mud from Cull Creek, your failing memory, your
    seizures, or any other distraction you found interesting. I was
    correcting your false assertion that "Reuters is BRITISH".





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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Sat Jun 14 12:18:53 2025
    On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 13:59:13 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    I don't see anyone rushing to confirm Mr Kunich's post.

    Tom doesn't corroborate, prove or supply sources for any of his
    claims. I don't see why his readers should do it for him.

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  • From Shadow@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 14 16:16:39 2025
    On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 17:17:20 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    Reuters is BRITISH and Trump can have no control over it.

    Thank doG for that. Imagine how close you would be to a
    dictatorship if a corrupt President could control the press....
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  • From Shadow@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 14 16:23:46 2025
    On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 18:38:21 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    What difference to the conversation did it make since the point was that it WASN'T an American comapny and so couldn't have any effect from President Trump?

    As I pointed out, that's a good thing. And probably the reason
    why Trump wants to "confiscate" Canada.
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  • From Shadow@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 14 16:20:48 2025
    On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 17:54:36 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On Fri Jun 13 21:48:12 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 6/13/2025 5:31 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Jun 2025 16:32:11 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed Jun 11 17:23:41 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 6/11/2025 4:50 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 6/11/2025 2:48 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    Information given to the Senste Committee on the vaccine program:

    "the mRNA vaccines are responsible for 74% of all of the deaths
    attributed to Covid-19"

    This is strongly supported by the findings of spike protein in the
    blood of people who died supposedly from covis-19.

    https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/study-does-not-say-covid-vaccines- >> >>>> may-have-fuelled-excess-deaths-2024-06-13/

    You're attempting to counter tommys fabrications with facts? Yeah,
    that'll work....

    Apparently Eeuters removed that article. But nither you nor meathead noticed that.

    The article did not disappear. What happened is Frank forgot to
    include angle brackets <URL> also known as sideways carets, to
    prevent the next comment, by Zen Cycle, from bisecting the URL with a
    line break. That's why I include angle brackets in every URL I cite.
    This should work. Try again:
    <https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/study-does-not-say-covid-vaccines-may-have-fuelled-excess-deaths-2024-06-13/>

    Hmm. I don't normally need to do that trick with angle brackets. I
    generally just highlight a URL, hit Ctrl-C then paste it into whatever
    I'm writing. It almost always works fine. In fact, I don't recall any
    complaints.




    Frank, you are doing it correctly as long as you include the entire address. The reason I haven't been able to read Liebermann's so-called references is because his browser is not smart enough to know that his trailing ">" is not part of the address. So
    now if I actually bother to look at his typically wrong citations I have to manually remove the ">".

    All newsreaders remove the <> when they pass the address to
    the browser. The browser does not even "see" the brackets. But you
    know that, you're a programmer, right?
    []'s

    --
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    We have a new policy - Google 2012
    Google Fuchsia - 2021

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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 14 21:48:06 2025
    On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 17:54:36 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    The reason I haven't been able to read Liebermann's so-called references is because his browser is not smart enough to know that his trailing ">" is not part of the address.

    That's really amazing. I don't use a browser to read Usenet news. I
    use a reader called Forte Agent.
    <https://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php>

    However, that's not the amazing part. What's amazing is that my
    choice of Usenet news reader somehow affects your ability to read
    messages on your computer. Thanks for letting me know. It suggests
    that I have the ability to do remote manipulation (telekinesis). I'll
    try it and see how much damage I can do to your computer using my
    newly discovered psychic abilities. Please send me a damage report
    after your computer recovers from the plague of mis-behaving trailing
    angle brackets.


    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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  • From zen cycle@21:1/5 to Jeff Liebermann on Sun Jun 15 07:17:39 2025
    On 6/14/2025 3:08 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 18:38:21 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On Sat Jun 14 10:41:08 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 17:17:20 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    Reuters is BRITISH and Trump can have no control over it.

    Thomson-Reuters has its headquarters in Canada:
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomson_Reuters>
    Thomson Corp bought Reuters Group in 2008.
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomson_Reuters#Thomson_acquisition_of_Reuters>
    "In 2009, it unified its dual listed company structure and stopped its
    listing on the London Stock Exchange and NASDAQ. As of October 2022,
    it was listed only as Thomson Reuters Corporation on the New York
    Stock Exchange and Toronto Stock Exchange (symbol: TRI)."




    So what you're saying is that Reuters USED to be a British company but has since been sold to a Canadian company. And it just happened to occur when I was having no memory and seizures most of the time.

    What difference to the conversation did it make since the point was that it WASN'T an American comapny and so couldn't have any effect from President Trump?

    I wonder if there is no point no matter how small that you could actually understand. A reservoir fills with mud in a very heavy rain year and you deny it was ever a reservoir. For the last three months, they have even been digging the mud out of the
    creek below the reservoir. I'm sure that you don't mind telling me that it ain't so, despite you haven't been there and I have. But then you claimeed that the road in Cull Canyon wasn't covered in mud as the County had bulldozers pushing it off of the
    roads.

    A normal human being would be embarassed by the things you say, but not only are you not but you continue with your BS on and on trapped in your hole in the Santa Cruz mountains

    I wasn't making any claims involving how Reuters might be affected by
    Trump, removing mud from Cull Creek, your failing memory, your
    seizures, or any other distraction you found interesting. I was
    correcting your false assertion that "Reuters is BRITISH".

    As if any of that had anything to do with the fact that tommy claimed
    Reuters took the post down.

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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to funkmasterxx@hotmail.com on Sun Jun 15 10:15:14 2025
    On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 07:17:39 -0400, zen cycle
    <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 6/14/2025 3:08 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 18:38:21 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On Sat Jun 14 10:41:08 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 17:17:20 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    Reuters is BRITISH and Trump can have no control over it.

    Thomson-Reuters has its headquarters in Canada:
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomson_Reuters>
    Thomson Corp bought Reuters Group in 2008.
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomson_Reuters#Thomson_acquisition_of_Reuters>
    "In 2009, it unified its dual listed company structure and stopped its >>>> listing on the London Stock Exchange and NASDAQ. As of October 2022,
    it was listed only as Thomson Reuters Corporation on the New York
    Stock Exchange and Toronto Stock Exchange (symbol: TRI)."




    So what you're saying is that Reuters USED to be a British company but has since been sold to a Canadian company. And it just happened to occur when I was having no memory and seizures most of the time.

    What difference to the conversation did it make since the point was that it WASN'T an American comapny and so couldn't have any effect from President Trump?

    I wonder if there is no point no matter how small that you could actually understand. A reservoir fills with mud in a very heavy rain year and you deny it was ever a reservoir. For the last three months, they have even been digging the mud out of the
    creek below the reservoir. I'm sure that you don't mind telling me that it ain't so, despite you haven't been there and I have. But then you claimeed that the road in Cull Canyon wasn't covered in mud as the County had bulldozers pushing it off of the
    roads.

    A normal human being would be embarassed by the things you say, but not only are you not but you continue with your BS on and on trapped in your hole in the Santa Cruz mountains

    I wasn't making any claims involving how Reuters might be affected by
    Trump, removing mud from Cull Creek, your failing memory, your
    seizures, or any other distraction you found interesting. I was
    correcting your false assertion that "Reuters is BRITISH".

    As if any of that had anything to do with the fact that tommy claimed
    Reuters took the post down.

    I try to avoid responding to Tom's claims that position him as being a
    victim. They're not very entertaining, they tend to be repetitive,
    nobody really cares, etc. What is interesting (to me) is that Tom
    frequently pads his posting with irrelevant drivel which makes him
    appear as some flavor of victim. I suspect that it's because he is
    only able to successfully discuss topics with which he is very
    familiar or which positions him as some kind of hero. To do this, he
    provides contrived stories as bait, such as Reuters' alleged
    censorship of his posts, to divert attention from the original topic,
    with which he's not very knowledgeable. The personal insults that
    usually accompany his diversions are an attempt to make his critics
    angry, in the hope that they will reply with something stupid or
    incorrect.



    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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  • From Shadow@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 16 14:16:20 2025
    On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 16:51:53 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On Sat Jun 14 23:46:36 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 6/14/2025 3:20 PM, Shadow wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 17:54:36 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    The reason I haven't been able to read Liebermann's so-called
    references is because his browser is not smart enough to know that his
    trailing ">" is not part of the address. So now if I actually bother to
    look at his typically wrong citations I have to manually remove the ">".

    All newsreaders remove the <> when they pass the address to
    the browser. The browser does not even "see" the brackets. But you
    know that, you're a programmer, right?
    []'s

    I'll note that everyone else seems to be able to use Jeff's links with
    no problem.




    What Newsreader are you using with Eternal-September?

    Just look at my headers (checking to see it they're forged -
    no they're not).
    I use the same headers when I'm posting under Linux, though.
    Never trust headers. You can inject them with programs like Tin, while
    the messages are still in a /tmp folder, before actually sending
    And yes, I did suggest one, and you mostly ignored me.
    Forte Agent.
    []'s

    PS In the 90's I was part of a major European hacking group.
    My specialties were assembler and encryption. I still sometimes write
    something in Pascal (Lazarus Compiler), mostly frontends to multimedia
    programs like FFMpeg and yt-dlp, but a number of medical utilities
    too.
    What languages did you say you programmed in? I think I missed
    it.
    --
    Don't be evil - Google 2004
    We have a new policy - Google 2012
    Google Fuchsia - 2021

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  • From Shadow@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 16 14:19:40 2025
    On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 16:55:20 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On Sat Jun 14 21:48:06 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 17:54:36 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    The reason I haven't been able to read Liebermann's so-called references is because his browser is not smart enough to know that his trailing ">" is not part of the address.

    That's really amazing. I don't use a browser to read Usenet news. I
    use a reader called Forte Agent.
    <https://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php>

    However, that's not the amazing part. What's amazing is that my
    choice of Usenet news reader somehow affects your ability to read
    messages on your computer. Thanks for letting me know. It suggests
    that I have the ability to do remote manipulation (telekinesis). I'll
    try it and see how much damage I can do to your computer using my
    newly discovered psychic abilities. Please send me a damage report
    after your computer recovers from the plague of mis-behaving trailing
    angle brackets.




    I see that that is also a commercial newsreader so Frank was also strangely quiet about his use of the free Eternal-September to you as well. Could it be that someone else set him up and he doesn't know anything about it except how to use it?

    He uses Thunderbird. I don't think his headers are forged.
    Which is even easier to set up than Forte Agent.
    I personally do not trust Mozilla. It phones home too often.
    []'s
    --
    Don't be evil - Google 2004
    We have a new policy - Google 2012
    Google Fuchsia - 2021

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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 16 10:31:59 2025
    On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 16:55:20 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On Sat Jun 14 21:48:06 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 17:54:36 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    The reason I haven't been able to read Liebermann's so-called references is because his browser is not smart enough to know that his trailing ">" is not part of the address.

    That's really amazing. I don't use a browser to read Usenet news. I
    use a reader called Forte Agent.
    <https://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php>

    However, that's not the amazing part. What's amazing is that my
    choice of Usenet news reader somehow affects your ability to read
    messages on your computer. Thanks for letting me know. It suggests
    that I have the ability to do remote manipulation (telekinesis). I'll
    try it and see how much damage I can do to your computer using my
    newly discovered psychic abilities. Please send me a damage report
    after your computer recovers from the plague of mis-behaving trailing
    angle brackets.

    I see that that is also a commercial newsreader so Frank was also strangely quiet about his use of the free Eternal-September to you as well.

    Do you have something against making money selling software? A one
    time $29 purchase. Forte Agent had a free version. It worked, but
    not very well. Some history:
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort%C3%A9_Agent>

    I tried using Eternal-September after I dumped Supernews. I picked
    one of few times that ET was down. Someone in rec.bicycles.tech
    recommended individual.net,
    <https://individual.net>
    which charges 10 EUR ($11.57) per year. I've been very happy with the
    service.

    However, the Usenet news service is not causing your endless problems.
    The problem is the Usenet News Reader that Newshosting.com supplies
    with their service. We've discusses this before. You can fish the
    details out of the archives: <https://www.novabbs.com/tech/search.php?group=rec.bicycles.tech>
    Search the "body" for Newshosting.com.

    Could it be that someone else set him up and he doesn't know anything about it except how to use it?

    Only in your dreams. People hire me to help them with their computer
    problems. I sometime need to call tech support, but mostly I search
    the web for information. I even work for free, as I'm now doing by
    helping you with your problem of the day.

    You're welcome.

    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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  • From zen cycle@21:1/5 to Frank Krygowski on Tue Jun 17 05:57:25 2025
    On 6/16/2025 10:39 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 6/16/2025 12:55 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Sat Jun 14 21:48:06 2025 Jeff Liebermann  wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 17:54:36 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    The reason I haven't been able to read Liebermann's so-called
    references is because his browser is not smart enough to know that
    his trailing ">" is not part of the address.

    That's really amazing.  I don't use a browser to read Usenet news.  I
    use a reader called Forte Agent.
    <https://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php>

    However, that's not the amazing part.  What's amazing is that my
    choice of Usenet news reader somehow affects your ability to read
    messages on your computer.  Thanks for letting me know.  It suggests
    that I have the ability to do remote manipulation (telekinesis).  I'll
    try it and see how much damage I can do to your computer using my
    newly discovered psychic abilities.  Please send me a damage report
    after your computer recovers from the plague of mis-behaving trailing
    angle brackets.




    I see that that is also a commercial newsreader so Frank was also
    strangely quiet about his use of the free Eternal-September to you as
    well. Could it be that someone else set him up and he doesn't know
    anything about it except how to use it?

    I set up my newsreader. Try to get your imagination to calm down.

    IIRC it took tommy about 3weeks after google groups shut down to figure
    out how to get back on-line, and he also thought Thunderbird was a
    browser. Seems to it's likely he's the one who had someone set it up for
    him and doesn't know how it works.

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  • From Roger Merriman@21:1/5 to zen cycle on Tue Jun 17 14:22:11 2025
    zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 6/16/2025 10:39 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 6/16/2025 12:55 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Sat Jun 14 21:48:06 2025 Jeff Liebermann  wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 17:54:36 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    The reason I haven't been able to read Liebermann's so-called
    references is because his browser is not smart enough to know that
    his trailing ">" is not part of the address.

    That's really amazing.  I don't use a browser to read Usenet news.  I >>>> use a reader called Forte Agent.
    <https://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php>

    However, that's not the amazing part.  What's amazing is that my
    choice of Usenet news reader somehow affects your ability to read
    messages on your computer.  Thanks for letting me know.  It suggests >>>> that I have the ability to do remote manipulation (telekinesis).  I'll >>>> try it and see how much damage I can do to your computer using my
    newly discovered psychic abilities.  Please send me a damage report
    after your computer recovers from the plague of mis-behaving trailing
    angle brackets.




    I see that that is also a commercial newsreader so Frank was also
    strangely quiet about his use of the free Eternal-September to you as
    well. Could it be that someone else set him up and he doesn't know
    anything about it except how to use it?

    I set up my newsreader. Try to get your imagination to calm down.

    IIRC it took tommy about 3weeks after google groups shut down to figure
    out how to get back on-line, and he also thought Thunderbird was a
    browser. Seems to it's likely he's the one who had someone set it up for
    him and doesn't know how it works.


    Indeed his claims he was a programmer considered his technology clumsiness seems unlikely!

    Roger Merriman

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  • From zen cycle@21:1/5 to Roger Merriman on Thu Jun 19 06:04:07 2025
    On 6/17/2025 10:22 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
    zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 6/16/2025 10:39 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 6/16/2025 12:55 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Sat Jun 14 21:48:06 2025 Jeff Liebermann  wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 17:54:36 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    The reason I haven't been able to read Liebermann's so-called
    references is because his browser is not smart enough to know that >>>>>> his trailing ">" is not part of the address.

    That's really amazing.  I don't use a browser to read Usenet news.  I >>>>> use a reader called Forte Agent.
    <https://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php>

    However, that's not the amazing part.  What's amazing is that my
    choice of Usenet news reader somehow affects your ability to read
    messages on your computer.  Thanks for letting me know.  It suggests >>>>> that I have the ability to do remote manipulation (telekinesis).  I'll >>>>> try it and see how much damage I can do to your computer using my
    newly discovered psychic abilities.  Please send me a damage report >>>>> after your computer recovers from the plague of mis-behaving trailing >>>>> angle brackets.




    I see that that is also a commercial newsreader so Frank was also
    strangely quiet about his use of the free Eternal-September to you as
    well. Could it be that someone else set him up and he doesn't know
    anything about it except how to use it?

    I set up my newsreader. Try to get your imagination to calm down.

    IIRC it took tommy about 3weeks after google groups shut down to figure
    out how to get back on-line, and he also thought Thunderbird was a
    browser. Seems to it's likely he's the one who had someone set it up for
    him and doesn't know how it works.


    Indeed his claims he was a programmer considered his technology clumsiness seems unlikely!

    Roger Merriman


    'Clumsiness' is a polite way of putting it. Most of us chalk it up to incompetence.

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  • From Catrike Ryder@21:1/5 to funkmasterxx@hotmail.com on Thu Jun 19 07:34:35 2025
    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 06:04:07 -0400, zen cycle
    <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 6/17/2025 10:22 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
    zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 6/16/2025 10:39 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 6/16/2025 12:55 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Sat Jun 14 21:48:06 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 17:54:36 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    The reason I haven't been able to read Liebermann's so-called
    references is because his browser is not smart enough to know that >>>>>>> his trailing ">" is not part of the address.

    That's really amazing. I don't use a browser to read Usenet news. I >>>>>> use a reader called Forte Agent.
    <https://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php>

    However, that's not the amazing part. What's amazing is that my
    choice of Usenet news reader somehow affects your ability to read
    messages on your computer. Thanks for letting me know. It suggests >>>>>> that I have the ability to do remote manipulation (telekinesis). I'll >>>>>> try it and see how much damage I can do to your computer using my
    newly discovered psychic abilities. Please send me a damage report >>>>>> after your computer recovers from the plague of mis-behaving trailing >>>>>> angle brackets.




    I see that that is also a commercial newsreader so Frank was also
    strangely quiet about his use of the free Eternal-September to you as >>>>> well. Could it be that someone else set him up and he doesn't know
    anything about it except how to use it?

    I set up my newsreader. Try to get your imagination to calm down.

    IIRC it took tommy about 3weeks after google groups shut down to figure
    out how to get back on-line, and he also thought Thunderbird was a
    browser. Seems to it's likely he's the one who had someone set it up for >>> him and doesn't know how it works.


    Indeed his claims he was a programmer considered his technology clumsiness >> seems unlikely!

    Roger Merriman


    'Clumsiness' is a polite way of putting it. Most of us chalk it up to >incompetence.

    Junior thinks he speaks for "all of us."

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman

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