On 6/25/2025 4:00 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon Jun 23 13:32:57 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/23/2025 11:19 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
it's possible he's having trouble getting the moving average to display. >>> he might need some guidance getting the datafield menu, but I'm done
helping him.
I was suffering some irritation with my new cell phone. A 13-year-old
fixed it for me within minutes.
Tom should hire a 13-year-old.
Frank, are you saying that you don't know anything about a Garmin but someone else should?
I have no interest in Garmins. But I'm saying _you_ don't know enough
about your Garmin, and that today's teenagers are often adept at
electronic devices and their menu systems.
But forget it. Figure it out yourself, while bitching that you are right
and the rest of the universe is wrong, as you usually do.
I agree with Jay Beattie that I don't need electronics to tell me how
much slower I'm getting. I wonder what you're hoping to achieve with
your Garmin. Training for your next race?
On 6/26/2025 2:31 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Wed Jun 25 16:19:09 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jun 2025 19:51:50 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
It is entirely different with a different operating system.
How can you tell? Do you have source code for the Garmin Edge product
line? What does "entirely different" mean to you? Is like the
difference between Windoze and Linux, or just a version number
difference?
Garmin GPS runs on GarminOS. 3rd party apps are written in MonkeyC,
which is actually a VM. GarminOS and MonkeyC are both proprietary to
Garmin with very little information available on the internet. Just
about everything Garmin sells was written in MonkeyC and runs on
GarminOS. Your claim that each Garmin product uses and "entirely
different operating system" is a good laugh. Have fun:
"Compromising Garmin?s Sport Watches: A Deep Dive into GarminOS and
its MonkeyC Virtual Machine"
<https://www.anvilsecure.com/blog/compromising-garmins-sport-watches-a-deep-dive-into-garminos-and-its-monkeyc-virtual-machine.html>
"A Deep Dive Into GarminOS And Its MonkeyC Virtual Machine"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsqLb-l-TjA>
there is no spot in the 1030 manual that even mentions moving speed.
That's understandable. If you're not moving, your speed is always
zero.
difference in total distance ridden from ride to ride over the identical course.I'm pretty sure that the Garmin shows speed and distance changes because the satelites are orgiting and the internal Garmin calcu;ation os a little too course for these large positional changes. It isn;t as it they are much but they do make a slight
I have gone on numerous 50 plus mile rides around the same course and Garmin's will be deadly accurate. I have mile markers I know that will
be within a few feet after 50 miles. They are incredibly accurate. They
have to be because the control many more important things. Trucks,
train, ships, and traffic. GPS is accurate to within sometimes 5 feet on
the earth.
Agreed that it's mostly bullshit; but YOU chose to post a link to it.
... but it DOES give you a sense of the difference between injuries and deaths,
IOW, there are more injuries than deaths? Wow, startling news!
As it happens, I recently found and read "Active Living and Injury Risk"
by Parkkari, in the International Journal of Sports Medicine. <http://bionics.seas.ucla.edu/education/Rowing/Injury_2004_01.pdf>
They found that regarding injuries per 1000 hours exposure, bicycling
was only a bit worse than walking, and bicycling is safer than
gardening, dancing, and home repair work. It's _much_ safer than playing badminton, tennis, soccer and all other sports they examined. Even
running was over eight times as dangerous as cycling, in injuries per
1000 hours!
But we never hear "bicycling is safe" from you, Tom. You're all about
scary stories and the magic of helmets - except when you're
contradicting yourself by posting your own data that helmets don't seem
to work much.
https://www.vehicularcyclist.com/kunich.html
What my paper revealed is that there is onloy a tiny number of people killed on bicycles each year
Right. Roughly seven times as many pedestrians die each year, yet almost nobody calls for walking helmets.
But while the helmets at the time that paper was published showed helmets to be of no use in fatalities, it DID NOT show that helmets were useless and you appear to believe.
Totally useless? Perhaps not. As I've said, I've gotten bumps on my head
by running into the edge of the canoe that used to hang in my garage.
I've bumped into overhead pipes in a low basement, etc.
The fact is, bicycling contributes only a tiny amount to the nation's
head injuries, or TBI deaths. Last I checked, bicycle TBI deaths were
roughly 0.6% of America's total TBI deaths (which are over 50,000
annually).
So why all the effort to force helmets on those who are such a tiny
portion of the problem?
Bicycling is NOT very dangerous. It does us no good to pretend it is.
On 6/27/2025 11:12 AM, cyclintom wrote:
When I got home, altitude was reading something like 234 feet but after plugging it in, it did read 32 feet on both the 830 and 030, I really don;t know what that is about but plainly there are a few bugs in the software.
More likely in the meatware.
On 6/28/2025 7:30 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sat Jun 28 07:47:07 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 27 Jun 2025 21:40:54 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 6/27/2025 8:47 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/27/2025 4:37 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 27 Jun 2025 00:11:21 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:Note the maps Im talking about are UK Ordance Survey so their focus >>>>>>> is for
Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 6/25/2025 6:39 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:To be fair that?s one feature Strava has which is one can see if >>>>>>>>> anyone has
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 6/25/2025 4:00 PM, cyclintom wrote:Indeed does seem to believe all sorts of things about the Garmin?s
On Mon Jun 23 13:32:57 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/23/2025 11:19 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
it's possible he's having trouble getting the moving average >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to display.
he might need some guidance getting the datafield menu, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm done
helping him.
I was suffering some irritation with my new cell phone. A 13- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> year-old
fixed it for me within minutes.
Tom should hire a 13-year-old.
Frank, are you saying that you don't know anything about a >>>>>>>>>>>>> Garmin but
someone else should?
I have no interest in Garmins. But I'm saying _you_ don't know >>>>>>>>>>>> enough
about your Garmin, and that today's teenagers are often adept at >>>>>>>>>>>> electronic devices and their menu systems.
But forget it. Figure it out yourself, while bitching that you >>>>>>>>>>>> are right
and the rest of the universe is wrong, as you usually do. >>>>>>>>>>>
that a
clearly not correct!
Personally they are handy for navigation, while I use maps (yes >>>>>>>>>>> paper) to
I agree with Jay Beattie that I don't need electronics to tell me
how
much slower I'm getting. I wonder what you're hoping to achieve with
your Garmin. Training for your next race?
plot a route a device that can keep one on that route, this sort >>>>>>>>>>> of thing
is much less with roads, which are by some degree easier to navigate.
There was a movie called Hard Miles that came out a few years ago >>>>>>>>>> starring Mattew Modine. The IMDB synopsis reads:
"A prison social worker assembles a cycling team of teenage >>>>>>>>>> convicts and
takes them on a transformative 1,000-mile ride. Inspired by the >>>>>>>>>> life of
Greg Townsend and the Ridgeview Academy cycling team."
I saw it in the theater when it came out. I gave it a solid B/B+, >>>>>>>>>> partially since it did a reasonable job in the technical aspects, >>>>>>>>>> but it
was a good movie overall with a very positive message.
The relevant point to my response, was when Modine's character was >>>>>>>>>> teaching the kids how to read a map - which they would need since they
weren't' going to be allowed to bring cellphones on the trip. >>>>>>>>>>
One of the teenagers suggested they avoid a city center since the map
had the roads shown in red, meaning they had a lot of traffic. The >>>>>>>>>> interaction between the two about how a paper map could possibly be
updated in real time was hilarious.
used a segment and this year/month/week to gauge does this exist on the
ground and is it rideable? Names occasionally give the name away, >>>>>>>>> segments
named Bramble tunnel for example I might avoid!
Ie that there is a right of way is one thing but is it possible to >>>>>>>>> ride it?
The paper maps can?t tell me, sometimes I can be fairly sure for >>>>>>>>> example
some of the rarely used stuff on the Ridgeway is open land so be >>>>>>>>> passable.
Roger Merriman
I do use Strava etc for the social and so on aspect.
And I do prefer Strava route builder over others particularly as I
do ride
routes less traveled so that?s always useful.
Roger Merriman
I haven't looked at a paper map for decades. I'm surprised that they >>>>>>>> still make them.
land and rights of way, way beyond tarmac roads, they do have digital >>>>>>> download which is handy, as a mobile is generally more waterproof and >>>>>>> easier to carry.
Google maps and similar will do little in such areas.
--Roger Merriman
C'est bon
Soloman
My experience as well. Good mapmakers are a wonderful resource.
Heartily agreed! I love USGS maps, and I once had an article published >>>>> in _Bicycling_ explaining and praising them for bicycling, especially >>>>> for the contour data.
When a good friend or family member moves to a new location, I mount and
frame a 1:24000 series map of their location as a gift. If their place >>>>> is near an edge or corner, I include the adjacent maps, carefully fitted
together. I think the resulting wall hanging is quite beautiful.
Uk Ordnance Survey you can buy them centred on your house etc, no digital
down load and so on but nevertheless fun.
I do also use the old online versions to find stuff that has disappeared,
and go for an explore.
Roger Merriman
Being a it of a history nut, I like to do that, but I think old
antique maps are best for that. I have copies of old maps that show
the old stagecoach road that ran through two of my ancestors farms.
I tend to find the very old ones aren?t particularly detailed and large
scale which is why Ordance Survey was set up, and there are fairly detailed
ones 18xx (late)
Which to be fair is often more curiosity why is that track there? Roman and
so on roads are normally fairly clear.
When I said I haven't looked at a paper map for decades, I was
referring to using them for navigation, but I enthralled with old
antique maps and using them to find places with history. I used an old >>> map and old books to find and hike to the place where I believe my
great grandfather and his cavalry mates crossed the Rappahannock River >>> to attack Jeb Stuart. I sat on the stone fence where his brother, my
great uncle died.
That for me at least in the close term would probably be the world wars, >> going further back it?s much more diluted, and sometimes on both sides such
as Battle of Hastings and so on.
2,000 years. Virtually ALL of the roads in northern Italy are paved over Roman roads.Romkan Roads were a marvel of engineering for their time. They were dug deep and then followed with gravel and then stone. They had better be plain because they were built to carry 4 columns next to each other. Hadrians Wall is still there after over
WTF?
"Virtually ALL of the roads in northern Italy are paved over
Roman roads." is not even remotely believable. It's just
not true.
https://www.jalopnik.com/three-dead-after-google-maps-directs-driver-off-broken-1851708190/
https://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article298122068.html
https://cumberlink.com/news/nation-world/crime-courts/google-maps-lawsuit-north-carolina-death/article_ad93c842-4b9b-576a-9e7e-58363b91a0e2.html
https://listverse.com/2018/11/27/10-times-gps-failed-with-terrible-consequences/
YMMV, and may very well some day.
On 6/29/2025 3:57 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I was a member of two cycling clubs that hade about 40 members total.Only the members of the slow group (beginners and naturally slow riders)
did NOT have a serious injury over the years.
Some things are so much in conflict with all available data that they
are literally unbelievable.
Yes, some people are seriously injured while bicycling. But all the data
I'm aware of tells us that such _serious_ injuries are rare. The study I
just referenced here pointed out that almost all bicycling injuries
reported were "level 1" or mild injuries.
Last I looked, the most common bicycling injuries treated in ER were abrasions of the lower limbs, i.e. road rash. Second was abrasions of
the upper limbs.
Your comment, " ship lifts the cable starting from the
nearest port out of the water" is absolutely ridiculous. No
one in his right mind could believe that.
https://www.onesteppower.com/post/subsea-cable-repair
On 7/7/2025 2:25 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sat Jul 5 19:50:33 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Tom. The instrument is called a "sextant", not a "sexton. These are
sextants:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=sextant&udm=2>
and this is a sexton:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexton_(office)>
"A sexton is an officer of a church, congregation, or synagogue
charged with the maintenance of its buildings and/or an associated
cemetery."
Calculating latitude from a noon sight is well known. However, I
didn't know that you could obtain the longitude from sunrise sighting.
How is that done?
Incidentally, taking a sighting near or at the horizon is almost
impossible. Atmospheric diffraction changes the effective size of the
sun. It also blurs the edge of the sun producing a fuzzy reading.
There's no way to view the base (lowest point) of the sun disk at the
horizon, which is likely to be obscured by land, distant clouds, cold
front or most likely, fog. I also couldn't find any altitude
correction tables for apparent altitudes less than about 9 degrees.
Unless I missed something, I don't think it can be done.
Obviously you've never seen a sextant or know how to use one and how it works. But you think that knowing how to spell it makes you an expert in it's use. No doubt that while you're using it ikn your imagination you're wearing a large round red nose.
You did the same thing when I misspelled Kary Mullis's nane proved conclusively that I never did what I said I did. Do your eyes every become uncrossed?
Give us more of your expert opinions on how a sextant works.
:-) I notice that Tom now knows how to spell "sextant." We should congratulate him on his educational achievement! :-)
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