On Sun Jun 29 09:13:01 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 6/28/2025 7:30 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sat Jun 28 07:47:07 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 27 Jun 2025 21:40:54 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 6/27/2025 8:47 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/27/2025 4:37 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:Heartily agreed! I love USGS maps, and I once had an article published
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 27 Jun 2025 00:11:21 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:Note the maps Im talking about are UK Ordance Survey so their focus >>>>>>> is for
Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 6/25/2025 6:39 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:To be fair that?s one feature Strava has which is one can see if >>>>>>>>> anyone has
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 6/25/2025 4:00 PM, cyclintom wrote:Indeed does seem to believe all sorts of things about the Garmin?s
On Mon Jun 23 13:32:57 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/23/2025 11:19 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
it's possible he's having trouble getting the moving average
to display.
he might need some guidance getting the datafield menu, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm done
helping him.
I was suffering some irritation with my new cell phone. A 13-
year-old
fixed it for me within minutes.
Tom should hire a 13-year-old.
Frank, are you saying that you don't know anything about a >>>>>>>>>>>>> Garmin but
someone else should?
I have no interest in Garmins. But I'm saying _you_ don't know >>>>>>>>>>>> enough
about your Garmin, and that today's teenagers are often adept at
electronic devices and their menu systems.
But forget it. Figure it out yourself, while bitching that you >>>>>>>>>>>> are right
and the rest of the universe is wrong, as you usually do. >>>>>>>>>>>
that a
clearly not correct!
Personally they are handy for navigation, while I use maps (yes >>>>>>>>>>> paper) to
I agree with Jay Beattie that I don't need electronics to tell me
how
much slower I'm getting. I wonder what you're hoping to achieve with
your Garmin. Training for your next race?
plot a route a device that can keep one on that route, this sort
of thing
is much less with roads, which are by some degree easier to navigate.
There was a movie called Hard Miles that came out a few years ago
starring Mattew Modine. The IMDB synopsis reads:
"A prison social worker assembles a cycling team of teenage >>>>>>>>>> convicts and
takes them on a transformative 1,000-mile ride. Inspired by the >>>>>>>>>> life of
Greg Townsend and the Ridgeview Academy cycling team." >>>>>>>>>>
I saw it in the theater when it came out. I gave it a solid B/B+,
partially since it did a reasonable job in the technical aspects,
but it
was a good movie overall with a very positive message. >>>>>>>>>>
The relevant point to my response, was when Modine's character was
teaching the kids how to read a map - which they would need since they
weren't' going to be allowed to bring cellphones on the trip. >>>>>>>>>>
One of the teenagers suggested they avoid a city center since the map
had the roads shown in red, meaning they had a lot of traffic. The
interaction between the two about how a paper map could possibly be
updated in real time was hilarious.
used a segment and this year/month/week to gauge does this exist on the
ground and is it rideable? Names occasionally give the name away, >>>>>>>>> segments
named Bramble tunnel for example I might avoid!
Ie that there is a right of way is one thing but is it possible to
ride it?
The paper maps can?t tell me, sometimes I can be fairly sure for >>>>>>>>> example
some of the rarely used stuff on the Ridgeway is open land so be >>>>>>>>> passable.
Roger Merriman
I do use Strava etc for the social and so on aspect. >>>>>>>>>>>
And I do prefer Strava route builder over others particularly as I
do ride
routes less traveled so that?s always useful.
Roger Merriman
I haven't looked at a paper map for decades. I'm surprised that they
still make them.
land and rights of way, way beyond tarmac roads, they do have digital
download which is handy, as a mobile is generally more waterproof and
easier to carry.
Google maps and similar will do little in such areas.
--Roger Merriman
C'est bon
Soloman
My experience as well. Good mapmakers are a wonderful resource. >>>>>
in _Bicycling_ explaining and praising them for bicycling, especially >>>>> for the contour data.
When a good friend or family member moves to a new location, I mount and
frame a 1:24000 series map of their location as a gift. If their place
is near an edge or corner, I include the adjacent maps, carefully fitted
together. I think the resulting wall hanging is quite beautiful. >>>>>
Uk Ordnance Survey you can buy them centred on your house etc, no digital
down load and so on but nevertheless fun.
I do also use the old online versions to find stuff that has disappeared,
and go for an explore.
Roger Merriman
Being a it of a history nut, I like to do that, but I think old
antique maps are best for that. I have copies of old maps that show
the old stagecoach road that ran through two of my ancestors farms.
I tend to find the very old ones aren?t particularly detailed and large >> scale which is why Ordance Survey was set up, and there are fairly detailed
ones 18xx (late)
Which to be fair is often more curiosity why is that track there? Roman and
so on roads are normally fairly clear.
When I said I haven't looked at a paper map for decades, I was
referring to using them for navigation, but I enthralled with old
antique maps and using them to find places with history. I used an old >>> map and old books to find and hike to the place where I believe my
great grandfather and his cavalry mates crossed the Rappahannock River >>> to attack Jeb Stuart. I sat on the stone fence where his brother, my >>> great uncle died.
That for me at least in the close term would probably be the world wars, >> going further back it?s much more diluted, and sometimes on both sides such
as Battle of Hastings and so on.
over 2,000 years. Virtually ALL of the roads in northern Italy are paved over Roman roads.Romkan Roads were a marvel of engineering for their time. They were dug deep and then followed with gravel and then stone. They had better be plain because they were built to carry 4 columns next to each other. Hadrians Wall is still there after
WTF?
"Virtually ALL of the roads in northern Italy are paved over
Roman roads." is not even remotely believable. It's just
not true.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Why+are+Belgian+cobblestone+roads+built+like+that&atb=v366-1&t=chromentp&ia=videos&iax=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DkUIsFv_JNYs
On 6/29/2025 4:13 PM, cyclintom wrote:over 2,000 years. Virtually ALL of the roads in northern Italy are paved over Roman roads.
On Sun Jun 29 21:04:33 2025 cyclintom wrote:
On Sun Jun 29 09:13:01 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 6/28/2025 7:30 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sat Jun 28 07:47:07 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 27 Jun 2025 21:40:54 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>>I tend to find the very old ones aren?t particularly detailed and large >>>>> scale which is why Ordance Survey was set up, and there are fairly detailed
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 6/27/2025 8:47 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/27/2025 4:37 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:Heartily agreed! I love USGS maps, and I once had an article published
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 27 Jun 2025 00:11:21 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:Note the maps Im talking about are UK Ordance Survey so their focus
Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 6/25/2025 6:39 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:To be fair that?s one feature Strava has which is one can see if >>>>>>>>>>>> anyone has
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/25/2025 4:00 PM, cyclintom wrote:
Indeed does seem to believe all sorts of things about the Garmin?sOn Mon Jun 23 13:32:57 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/23/2025 11:19 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
it's possible he's having trouble getting the moving average
to display.
he might need some guidance getting the datafield menu, but
I'm done
helping him.
I was suffering some irritation with my new cell phone. A 13-
year-old
fixed it for me within minutes.
Tom should hire a 13-year-old.
Frank, are you saying that you don't know anything about a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Garmin but
someone else should?
I have no interest in Garmins. But I'm saying _you_ don't know
enough
about your Garmin, and that today's teenagers are often adept at
electronic devices and their menu systems.
But forget it. Figure it out yourself, while bitching that you
are right
and the rest of the universe is wrong, as you usually do. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
that a
clearly not correct!
Personally they are handy for navigation, while I use maps (yes
I agree with Jay Beattie that I don't need electronics to tell me
how
much slower I'm getting. I wonder what you're hoping to achieve with
your Garmin. Training for your next race?
paper) to
plot a route a device that can keep one on that route, this sort
of thing
is much less with roads, which are by some degree easier to navigate.
There was a movie called Hard Miles that came out a few years ago
starring Mattew Modine. The IMDB synopsis reads:
"A prison social worker assembles a cycling team of teenage >>>>>>>>>>>>> convicts and
takes them on a transformative 1,000-mile ride. Inspired by the >>>>>>>>>>>>> life of
Greg Townsend and the Ridgeview Academy cycling team." >>>>>>>>>>>>>
I saw it in the theater when it came out. I gave it a solid B/B+,
partially since it did a reasonable job in the technical aspects,
but it
was a good movie overall with a very positive message. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
The relevant point to my response, was when Modine's character was
teaching the kids how to read a map - which they would need since they
weren't' going to be allowed to bring cellphones on the trip. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
One of the teenagers suggested they avoid a city center since the map
had the roads shown in red, meaning they had a lot of traffic. The
interaction between the two about how a paper map could possibly be
updated in real time was hilarious.
used a segment and this year/month/week to gauge does this exist on the
ground and is it rideable? Names occasionally give the name away,
segments
named Bramble tunnel for example I might avoid!
Ie that there is a right of way is one thing but is it possible to
ride it?
The paper maps can?t tell me, sometimes I can be fairly sure for >>>>>>>>>>>> example
some of the rarely used stuff on the Ridgeway is open land so be >>>>>>>>>>>> passable.
Roger Merriman
I do use Strava etc for the social and so on aspect. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
And I do prefer Strava route builder over others particularly as I
do ride
routes less traveled so that?s always useful.
Roger Merriman
I haven't looked at a paper map for decades. I'm surprised that they
still make them.
is for
land and rights of way, way beyond tarmac roads, they do have digital
download which is handy, as a mobile is generally more waterproof and
easier to carry.
Google maps and similar will do little in such areas.
--Roger Merriman
C'est bon
Soloman
My experience as well. Good mapmakers are a wonderful resource. >>>>>>>>
in _Bicycling_ explaining and praising them for bicycling, especially
for the contour data.
When a good friend or family member moves to a new location, I mount and
frame a 1:24000 series map of their location as a gift. If their place
is near an edge or corner, I include the adjacent maps, carefully fitted
together. I think the resulting wall hanging is quite beautiful. >>>>>>>>
Uk Ordnance Survey you can buy them centred on your house etc, no digital
down load and so on but nevertheless fun.
I do also use the old online versions to find stuff that has disappeared,
and go for an explore.
Roger Merriman
Being a it of a history nut, I like to do that, but I think old
antique maps are best for that. I have copies of old maps that show >>>>>> the old stagecoach road that ran through two of my ancestors farms. >>>>>
ones 18xx (late)
Which to be fair is often more curiosity why is that track there? Roman and
so on roads are normally fairly clear.
When I said I haven't looked at a paper map for decades, I was
referring to using them for navigation, but I enthralled with old >>>>>> antique maps and using them to find places with history. I used an old >>>>>> map and old books to find and hike to the place where I believe my >>>>>> great grandfather and his cavalry mates crossed the Rappahannock River >>>>>> to attack Jeb Stuart. I sat on the stone fence where his brother, my >>>>>> great uncle died.
That for me at least in the close term would probably be the world wars,
going further back it?s much more diluted, and sometimes on both sides such
as Battle of Hastings and so on.
Romkan Roads were a marvel of engineering for their time. They were dug deep and then followed with gravel and then stone. They had better be plain because they were built to carry 4 columns next to each other. Hadrians Wall is still there after
WTF?
"Virtually ALL of the roads in northern Italy are paved over
Roman roads." is not even remotely believable. It's just
not true.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Why+are+Belgian+cobblestone+roads+built+like+that&atb=v366-1&t=chromentp&ia=videos&iax=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DkUIsFv_JNYs
Oops, https://youtu.be/kUIsFv_JNYs
Flagstone and pavers are not cobbles.
On Sun Jun 29 16:29:48 2025 AMuzi wrote:over 2,000 years. Virtually ALL of the roads in northern Italy are paved over Roman roads.
On 6/29/2025 4:13 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun Jun 29 21:04:33 2025 cyclintom wrote:
On Sun Jun 29 09:13:01 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 6/28/2025 7:30 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sat Jun 28 07:47:07 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 27 Jun 2025 21:40:54 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>I tend to find the very old ones aren?t particularly detailed and large >>>>>>> scale which is why Ordance Survey was set up, and there are fairly detailed
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 6/27/2025 8:47 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/27/2025 4:37 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:Heartily agreed! I love USGS maps, and I once had an article published
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 27 Jun 2025 00:11:21 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:Note the maps Im talking about are UK Ordance Survey so their focus
Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 6/25/2025 6:39 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:To be fair that?s one feature Strava has which is one can see if >>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone has
Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/25/2025 4:00 PM, cyclintom wrote:
Indeed does seem to believe all sorts of things about the Garmin?sOn Mon Jun 23 13:32:57 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/23/2025 11:19 AM, Zen Cycle wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
it's possible he's having trouble getting the moving average
to display.
he might need some guidance getting the datafield menu, but
I'm done
helping him.
I was suffering some irritation with my new cell phone. A 13-
year-old
fixed it for me within minutes.
Tom should hire a 13-year-old.
Frank, are you saying that you don't know anything about a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Garmin but
someone else should?
I have no interest in Garmins. But I'm saying _you_ don't know
enough
about your Garmin, and that today's teenagers are often adept at
electronic devices and their menu systems.
But forget it. Figure it out yourself, while bitching that you
are right
and the rest of the universe is wrong, as you usually do. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
that a
clearly not correct!
Personally they are handy for navigation, while I use maps (yes
I agree with Jay Beattie that I don't need electronics to tell me
how
much slower I'm getting. I wonder what you're hoping to achieve with
your Garmin. Training for your next race?
paper) to
plot a route a device that can keep one on that route, this sort
of thing
is much less with roads, which are by some degree easier to navigate.
There was a movie called Hard Miles that came out a few years ago
starring Mattew Modine. The IMDB synopsis reads: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
"A prison social worker assembles a cycling team of teenage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convicts and
takes them on a transformative 1,000-mile ride. Inspired by the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life of
Greg Townsend and the Ridgeview Academy cycling team." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I saw it in the theater when it came out. I gave it a solid B/B+,
partially since it did a reasonable job in the technical aspects,
but it
was a good movie overall with a very positive message. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The relevant point to my response, was when Modine's character was
teaching the kids how to read a map - which they would need since they
weren't' going to be allowed to bring cellphones on the trip. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
One of the teenagers suggested they avoid a city center since the map
had the roads shown in red, meaning they had a lot of traffic. The
interaction between the two about how a paper map could possibly be
updated in real time was hilarious.
used a segment and this year/month/week to gauge does this exist on the
ground and is it rideable? Names occasionally give the name away,
segments
named Bramble tunnel for example I might avoid!
Ie that there is a right of way is one thing but is it possible to
ride it?
The paper maps can?t tell me, sometimes I can be fairly sure for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> example
some of the rarely used stuff on the Ridgeway is open land so be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> passable.
Roger Merriman
I do use Strava etc for the social and so on aspect. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
And I do prefer Strava route builder over others particularly as I
do ride
routes less traveled so that?s always useful.
Roger Merriman
I haven't looked at a paper map for decades. I'm surprised that they
still make them.
is for
land and rights of way, way beyond tarmac roads, they do have digital
download which is handy, as a mobile is generally more waterproof and
easier to carry.
Google maps and similar will do little in such areas. >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
C'est bonRoger Merriman
Soloman
My experience as well. Good mapmakers are a wonderful resource. >>>>>>>>>>
in _Bicycling_ explaining and praising them for bicycling, especially
for the contour data.
When a good friend or family member moves to a new location, I mount and
frame a 1:24000 series map of their location as a gift. If their place
is near an edge or corner, I include the adjacent maps, carefully fitted
together. I think the resulting wall hanging is quite beautiful. >>>>>>>>>>
Uk Ordnance Survey you can buy them centred on your house etc, no digital
down load and so on but nevertheless fun.
I do also use the old online versions to find stuff that has disappeared,
and go for an explore.
Roger Merriman
Being a it of a history nut, I like to do that, but I think old >>>>>>>> antique maps are best for that. I have copies of old maps that show >>>>>>>> the old stagecoach road that ran through two of my ancestors farms. >>>>>>>
ones 18xx (late)
Which to be fair is often more curiosity why is that track there? Roman and
so on roads are normally fairly clear.
When I said I haven't looked at a paper map for decades, I was >>>>>>>> referring to using them for navigation, but I enthralled with old >>>>>>>> antique maps and using them to find places with history. I used an old >>>>>>>> map and old books to find and hike to the place where I believe my >>>>>>>> great grandfather and his cavalry mates crossed the Rappahannock River >>>>>>>> to attack Jeb Stuart. I sat on the stone fence where his brother, my >>>>>>>> great uncle died.
That for me at least in the close term would probably be the world wars,
going further back it?s much more diluted, and sometimes on both sides such
as Battle of Hastings and so on.
Romkan Roads were a marvel of engineering for their time. They were dug deep and then followed with gravel and then stone. They had better be plain because they were built to carry 4 columns next to each other. Hadrians Wall is still there after
WTF?
"Virtually ALL of the roads in northern Italy are paved over
Roman roads." is not even remotely believable. It's just
not true.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Why+are+Belgian+cobblestone+roads+built+like+that&atb=v366-1&t=chromentp&ia=videos&iax=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DkUIsFv_JNYs
Oops, https://youtu.be/kUIsFv_JNYs
Flagstone and pavers are not cobbles.
I'm afraid I don't understand what you're getting on about. Most of that reference was about Roman cobblestone roads. Notice that they said thatg cities were built at main intersections of Roman roads. Paris in fact, has all of its northern roadfujjnnel through Paris and then split south of Parris into many smaller roads. But like I said, France merely used the Roman cobblestone roads as a base for today's roads. Driving down these roads and coming to Roman road houses pretty much shows this
France was left pretty much untouched by the war (bombs and very heavy fighting) so those roads were stgill usable. Belgium was certainly another story.
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