• Have you cyclists noticed this?

    From AMuzi@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 4 08:12:12 2025
    https://cyclingindustry.news/shimano-europe-launches-survey-to-address-mechanic-skills-crisis/

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    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
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  • From Catrike Ryder@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Fri Jul 4 10:30:23 2025
    On Fri, 4 Jul 2025 08:12:12 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    https://cyclingindustry.news/shimano-europe-launches-survey-to-address-mechanic-skills-crisis/

    Unlike cars and trucks, which are high-teched beyond my abilities and
    interest, if my bike needs mechanical work, I'll figure out how to do
    it myself.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman

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  • From Roger Merriman@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Sat Jul 5 04:24:10 2025
    AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
    https://cyclingindustry.news/shimano-europe-launches-survey-to-address-mechanic-skills-crisis/


    No but then I use my local bike shop which has had the two main guys and mechanics both called Adam which is handy! For few decades now!

    Roger Merriman

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  • From John B.@21:1/5 to Roger Merriman on Sat Jul 5 02:47:31 2025
    On 5 Jul 2025 04:24:10 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

    AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
    https://cyclingindustry.news/shimano-europe-launches-survey-to-address-mechanic-skills-crisis/


    No but then I use my local bike shop which has had the two main guys and >mechanics both called Adam which is handy! For few decades now!

    Roger Merriman

    but bicycle mechanicind is some of the simpler form of "wrenching"
    compared to, oh say, rebuilding an 8 cylinder V-8.
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    cheers,

    John B.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 5 19:37:09 2025
    On Fri Jul 4 10:30:23 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Jul 2025 08:12:12 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    https://cyclingindustry.news/shimano-europe-launches-survey-to-address-mechanic-skills-crisis/

    Unlike cars and trucks, which are high-teched beyond my abilities and interest, if my bike needs mechanical work, I'll figure out how to do
    it myself.




    Modern bikes are liable to need special tools that put you back more than just taking the bike into a good mechanic.

    Also knowledge that you may not have meaning you buy the incorrect parts. I bought an XTR rear derailleur under the impression that it was the same as a Dura Ace. Not so, the XTR is supposed to mount on a 142 mm rear triangle width rather than a 130 road
    bike width. This was a $250 loss.

    Also, The flogging WIRES on Di2 come in different gauges and you have to know what size you need: SD50 or SD300. Not particularly expensive but a lomng wait for the new one's to arrive.And they use differrent insertion tools as well.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 5 19:46:45 2025
    On Sat Jul 5 02:47:31 2025 John B. wrote:
    On 5 Jul 2025 04:24:10 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

    AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
    https://cyclingindustry.news/shimano-europe-launches-survey-to-address-mechanic-skills-crisis/


    No but then I use my local bike shop which has had the two main guys and >mechanics both called Adam which is handy! For few decades now!

    Roger Merriman

    but bicycle mechanicind is some of the simpler form of "wrenching"
    compared to, oh say, rebuilding an 8 cylinder V-8.




    John, yes, it is "simpler" but in many cases it is not "simple". Di2 electronic shifting is a royal pain in the ass. So is hydraulic disc brakes. Having my local mechanic getting the disc brakes to work properly ended up needing the disc's replaced with
    one's of the proper width replaing the shoes and a total rebleed after bedding the shoes and disc's together. That was $700 worth of work but the results are more than worth it,

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  • From Roger Merriman@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Sun Jul 6 12:00:13 2025
    cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Sat Jul 5 02:47:31 2025 John B. wrote:
    On 5 Jul 2025 04:24:10 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

    AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
    https://cyclingindustry.news/shimano-europe-launches-survey-to-address-mechanic-skills-crisis/


    No but then I use my local bike shop which has had the two main guys and >>> mechanics both called Adam which is handy! For few decades now!

    Roger Merriman

    but bicycle mechanicind is some of the simpler form of "wrenching"
    compared to, oh say, rebuilding an 8 cylinder V-8.




    John, yes, it is "simpler" but in many cases it is not "simple". Di2 electronic shifting is a royal pain in the ass. So is hydraulic disc
    brakes. Having my local mechanic getting the disc brakes to work properly ended up needing the disc's replaced with one's of the proper width
    replaing the shoes and a total rebleed after bedding the shoes and disc's together. That was $700 worth of work but the results are more than worth it,


    Rebuilding an engine isn’t particularly complex it’s more the size and weight of components, with both cars and bikes the complex bits are the electronic components.

    My new bike will have internal routing as is the way of modern kit, though
    not a one piece bar/stem so I will be able to change kit if needed.

    But it will be clearly more awkward to work on.

    Cars are larger with more systems but lot of it is mechanical or black
    boxes, ie the fix is to replace the part than fix.

    Roger Merriman

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  • From Zen Cycle@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Mon Jul 7 09:32:31 2025
    On 7/4/2025 9:12 AM, AMuzi wrote:
    https://cyclingindustry.news/shimano-europe-launches-survey-to-address- mechanic-skills-crisis/


    I haven't relied on a shop mechanic for anything in the past 30 years,
    except for a bottom bracket warranty replacement two months after I
    bought my Cannondale Habit 3 in 2017.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 7 17:27:41 2025
    On Mon Jul 7 09:32:31 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
    On 7/4/2025 9:12 AM, AMuzi wrote:
    https://cyclingindustry.news/shimano-europe-launches-survey-to-address- mechanic-skills-crisis/


    I haven't relied on a shop mechanic for anything in the past 30 years,
    except for a bottom bracket warranty replacement two months after I
    bought my Cannondale Habit 3 in 2017.




    As long as you're not going through bikes olike I did until I recently bought the bikes I want to keep, you don't have to buy all of the new tools. I have to attack my charging bar end unit to the Ridley and haul it in here and charge the battery up so
    that the levers will change gears again. I don't think that the Di2 likes having the levers disconnected. The connection to the battery 4 x connector seems to be connected. So unless that battery doesn't show charging, I won't have to pull the crank off
    of the Ridley.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 7 17:49:30 2025
    On Sun Jul 6 12:00:13 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
    cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Sat Jul 5 02:47:31 2025 John B. wrote:
    On 5 Jul 2025 04:24:10 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

    AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
    https://cyclingindustry.news/shimano-europe-launches-survey-to-address-mechanic-skills-crisis/


    No but then I use my local bike shop which has had the two main guys and >>> mechanics both called Adam which is handy! For few decades now!

    Roger Merriman

    but bicycle mechanicind is some of the simpler form of "wrenching"
    compared to, oh say, rebuilding an 8 cylinder V-8.




    John, yes, it is "simpler" but in many cases it is not "simple". Di2 electronic shifting is a royal pain in the ass. So is hydraulic disc brakes. Having my local mechanic getting the disc brakes to work properly ended up needing the disc's replaced with one's of the proper width replaing the shoes and a total rebleed after bedding the shoes and disc's together. That was $700 worth of work but the results are more than worth it,


    Rebuilding an engine isn?t particularly complex it?s more the size and
    weight of components, with both cars and bikes the complex bits are the electronic components.

    My new bike will have internal routing as is the way of modern kit, though not a one piece bar/stem so I will be able to change kit if needed.

    But it will be clearly more awkward to work on.

    Cars are larger with more systems but lot of it is mechanical or black
    boxes, ie the fix is to replace the part than fix.




    Try and rebuild a 2025 car and you will take it to a mechanic every time. They inevitably break not in the mechanical part but the data and sensor areas.

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  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 7 17:23:41 2025
    On Mon, 07 Jul 2025 17:49:30 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    Try and rebuild a 2025 car and you will take it to a mechanic every time. They inevitably break not in the mechanical part but the data and sensor areas.

    If it's a 2025 car, the car is still covered by the manufacturers
    warranty. Unless someone did something to the car that might have
    voided the warranty, the right thing to do is take it to an authorized
    dealer or service center.

    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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  • From John B.@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 7 17:32:42 2025
    On Mon, 07 Jul 2025 17:49:30 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun Jul 6 12:00:13 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
    cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Sat Jul 5 02:47:31 2025 John B. wrote:
    On 5 Jul 2025 04:24:10 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

    AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
    https://cyclingindustry.news/shimano-europe-launches-survey-to-address-mechanic-skills-crisis/


    No but then I use my local bike shop which has had the two main guys and >> >>> mechanics both called Adam which is handy! For few decades now!

    Roger Merriman

    but bicycle mechanicind is some of the simpler form of "wrenching"
    compared to, oh say, rebuilding an 8 cylinder V-8.




    John, yes, it is "simpler" but in many cases it is not "simple". Di2
    electronic shifting is a royal pain in the ass. So is hydraulic disc
    brakes. Having my local mechanic getting the disc brakes to work properly >> > ended up needing the disc's replaced with one's of the proper width
    replaing the shoes and a total rebleed after bedding the shoes and disc's >> > together. That was $700 worth of work but the results are more than worth it,



    you are simply proving my point that bicycle repair is at the low end
    of the mechanic skill chain as you are.

    --
    cheers,

    John B.

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Frank Krygowski on Mon Jul 7 21:10:30 2025
    On 7/7/2025 8:08 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 7/7/2025 8:32 PM, John B. wrote:

    you are simply proving my point that bicycle repair is at
    the low end
    of the mechanic skill chain as you are.

    As an aside: On July 4th, I was having some really
    interesting conversation (through a translator) with three
    European guys traveling the U.S. as part of their extended
    vacation. (One of the guys was drooling over my antique
    motorcycle, offering to buy it.)

    I later heard one of the three was a professional bike
    mechanic. I guess it is possible to make a decent living in
    that trade. Around here, my impression is that most of them
    don't do that well financially. Andrew may want to enlighten
    me.


    No one turns wrenches out of avarice. If high income matters
    to you , this is not how to get there.

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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