I can't imagine how he thought that route made sense
https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20250707-france-worried-over-teenage-cyclist-s-disappearance-in-iran-monterlos
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 08:46:36 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
I can't imagine how he thought that route made sense
https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20250707-france-worried-over-teenage-cyclist-s-disappearance-in-iran-monterlos
He was going to tour the US, but then decided that Iran was
safer.
IMHO, he should have toured China. Very little crime there.
:)
[]'s
On 7/7/2025 9:09 AM, Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 08:46:36 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
I can't imagine how he thought that route made sense
https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20250707-france-worried-over-teenage-cyclist-s-disappearance-in-iran-monterlos
He was going to tour the US, but then decided that Iran was
safer.
IMHO, he should have toured China. Very little crime there.
:)
[]'s
Maybe.
Sorta depends on how you define vivisection for organ
transplants.
https://www.humanrightsresearch.org/post/forced-organ-harvesting-another-chinese-communist-party-s-means-to-target-minorities-and-dissidents
https://theconversation.com/killing-prisoners-for-transplants-forced-organ-harvesting-in-china-161999
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 09:27:40 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 7/7/2025 9:09 AM, Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 08:46:36 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
I can't imagine how he thought that route made sense
https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20250707-france-worried-over-teenage-cyclist-s-disappearance-in-iran-monterlos
He was going to tour the US, but then decided that Iran was
safer.
IMHO, he should have toured China. Very little crime there.
:)
[]'s
Maybe.
Sorta depends on how you define vivisection for organ
transplants.
https://www.humanrightsresearch.org/post/forced-organ-harvesting-another-chinese-communist-party-s-means-to-target-minorities-and-dissidents
https://theconversation.com/killing-prisoners-for-transplants-forced-organ-harvesting-in-china-161999
LOL. Nothing about Brazil? FHC (far right wing) made organ
donation mandatory "in case someone needed it".
The only reserve was that you had to be dead to harvest your
organs.
Am 07.07.2025 um 17:08 schrieb Shadow:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 09:27:40 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 7/7/2025 9:09 AM, Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 08:46:36 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
I can't imagine how he thought that route made sense
https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20250707-france-worried-over-teenage-cyclist-s-disappearance-in-iran-monterlos
He was going to tour the US, but then decided that Iran was
safer.
IMHO, he should have toured China. Very little crime there.
:)
[]'s
Maybe.
Sorta depends on how you define vivisection for organ
transplants.
https://www.humanrightsresearch.org/post/forced-organ-harvesting-another-chinese-communist-party-s-means-to-target-minorities-and-dissidents
https://theconversation.com/killing-prisoners-for-transplants-forced-organ-harvesting-in-china-161999
LOL. Nothing about Brazil? FHC (far right wing) made organ
donation mandatory "in case someone needed it".
The only reserve was that you had to be dead to harvest your
organs.
This reminds me of the Monty Python Sketch about liver donation in "The >meaing of Life": "After the operation you will be dead".
Am 07.07.2025 um 17:08 schrieb Shadow:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 09:27:40 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 7/7/2025 9:09 AM, Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 08:46:36 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
I can't imagine how he thought that route made sense
https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20250707-france-worried-
over-teenage-cyclist-s-disappearance-in-iran-monterlos
    He was going to tour the US, but then decided that
Iran was
safer.
    IMHO, he should have toured China. Very little crime
there.
    :)
    []'s
Maybe.
Sorta depends on how you define vivisection for organ
transplants.
https://www.humanrightsresearch.org/post/forced-organ-
harvesting-another-chinese-communist-party-s-means-to-
target-minorities-and-dissidents
https://theconversation.com/killing-prisoners-for-
transplants-forced-organ-harvesting-in-china-161999
    LOL. Nothing about Brazil? FHC (far right wing) made
organ
donation mandatory "in case someone needed it".
    The only reserve was that you had to be dead to
harvest your
organs.
This reminds me of the Monty Python Sketch about liver
donation in "The meaing of Life": "After the operation you
will be dead".
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 18:24:43 +0200, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de>
wrote:
Am 07.07.2025 um 17:08 schrieb Shadow:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 09:27:40 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 7/7/2025 9:09 AM, Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 08:46:36 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>
I can't imagine how he thought that route made sense
https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20250707-france-worried-over-teenage-cyclist-s-disappearance-in-iran-monterlos
He was going to tour the US, but then decided that Iran was
safer.
IMHO, he should have toured China. Very little crime there.
:)
[]'s
Maybe.
Sorta depends on how you define vivisection for organ
transplants.
https://www.humanrightsresearch.org/post/forced-organ-harvesting-another-chinese-communist-party-s-means-to-target-minorities-and-dissidents
https://theconversation.com/killing-prisoners-for-transplants-forced-organ-harvesting-in-china-161999
LOL. Nothing about Brazil? FHC (far right wing) made organ
donation mandatory "in case someone needed it".
The only reserve was that you had to be dead to harvest your
organs.
This reminds me of the Monty Python Sketch about liver donation in "The
meaing of Life": "After the operation you will be dead".
LOL. I remember that. Here in Brazil our ID cards say we are
donors. Not just liver donors. And we have to carry the IDs(punishable
with jail if caught without).
A left-over from when we were a right-wing dictatorship.
Do you have to carry an ID where you live?
[]'s
On 7/7/2025 11:24 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 07.07.2025 um 17:08 schrieb Shadow:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 09:27:40 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 7/7/2025 9:09 AM, Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 08:46:36 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
I can't imagine how he thought that route made sense
https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20250707-france-worried-
over-teenage-cyclist-s-disappearance-in-iran-monterlos
He was going to tour the US, but then decided that
Iran was
safer.
IMHO, he should have toured China. Very little crime
there.
:)
[]'s
Maybe.
Sorta depends on how you define vivisection for organ
transplants.
https://www.humanrightsresearch.org/post/forced-organ-
harvesting-another-chinese-communist-party-s-means-to-
target-minorities-and-dissidents
https://theconversation.com/killing-prisoners-for-
transplants-forced-organ-harvesting-in-china-161999
LOL. Nothing about Brazil? FHC (far right wing) made
organ
donation mandatory "in case someone needed it".
The only reserve was that you had to be dead to
harvest your
organs.
This reminds me of the Monty Python Sketch about liver
donation in "The meaing of Life": "After the operation you
will be dead".
That was written a very long time ago. No one suspected it
would become official State policy under CCP.
On 7/7/2025 11:24 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 07.07.2025 um 17:08 schrieb Shadow:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 09:27:40 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 7/7/2025 9:09 AM, Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 08:46:36 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
I can't imagine how he thought that route made sense
https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20250707-france-worried-
over-teenage-cyclist-s-disappearance-in-iran-monterlos
He was going to tour the US, but then decided that
Iran was
safer.
IMHO, he should have toured China. Very little crime
there.
:)
[]'s
Maybe.
Sorta depends on how you define vivisection for organ
transplants.
https://www.humanrightsresearch.org/post/forced-organ-
harvesting-another-chinese-communist-party-s-means-to-
target-minorities-and-dissidents
https://theconversation.com/killing-prisoners-for-
transplants-forced-organ-harvesting-in-china-161999
LOL. Nothing about Brazil? FHC (far right wing) made
organ
donation mandatory "in case someone needed it".
The only reserve was that you had to be dead to
harvest your
organs.
This reminds me of the Monty Python Sketch about liver
donation in "The meaing of Life": "After the operation you
will be dead".
That was written a very long time ago. No one suspected it
would become official State policy under CCP.
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 12:13:57 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 7/7/2025 11:24 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 07.07.2025 um 17:08 schrieb Shadow:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 09:27:40 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 7/7/2025 9:09 AM, Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 08:46:36 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
I can't imagine how he thought that route made sense
https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20250707-france-worried-
over-teenage-cyclist-s-disappearance-in-iran-monterlos
    He was going to tour the US, but then decided that
Iran was
safer.
    IMHO, he should have toured China. Very little crime
there.
    :)
    []'s
Maybe.
Sorta depends on how you define vivisection for organ
transplants.
https://www.humanrightsresearch.org/post/forced-organ-
harvesting-another-chinese-communist-party-s-means-to-
target-minorities-and-dissidents
https://theconversation.com/killing-prisoners-for-
transplants-forced-organ-harvesting-in-china-161999
    LOL. Nothing about Brazil? FHC (far right wing) made
organ
donation mandatory "in case someone needed it".
    The only reserve was that you had to be dead to
harvest your
organs.
This reminds me of the Monty Python Sketch about liver
donation in "The meaing of Life": "After the operation you
will be dead".
That was written a very long time ago. No one suspected it
would become official State policy under CCP.
It was a sarcastic criticism of Margareth Thatcher's politics.
Monty Python was trying to show people that under her, people would
only be valued as "replacement parts" for the wealthy.
[]'s
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 12:13:57 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 7/7/2025 11:24 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 07.07.2025 um 17:08 schrieb Shadow:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 09:27:40 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 7/7/2025 9:09 AM, Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 08:46:36 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
I can't imagine how he thought that route made sense
https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20250707-france-worried-
over-teenage-cyclist-s-disappearance-in-iran-monterlos
    He was going to tour the US, but then decided that
Iran was
safer.
    IMHO, he should have toured China. Very little crime
there.
    :)
    []'s
Maybe.
Sorta depends on how you define vivisection for organ
transplants.
https://www.humanrightsresearch.org/post/forced-organ-
harvesting-another-chinese-communist-party-s-means-to-
target-minorities-and-dissidents
https://theconversation.com/killing-prisoners-for-
transplants-forced-organ-harvesting-in-china-161999
    LOL. Nothing about Brazil? FHC (far right wing) made
organ
donation mandatory "in case someone needed it".
    The only reserve was that you had to be dead to
harvest your
organs.
This reminds me of the Monty Python Sketch about liver
donation in "The meaing of Life": "After the operation you
will be dead".
That was written a very long time ago. No one suspected it
would become official State policy under CCP.
I expect that is a boogey-man #FAKE_NEWS. China performs less transplants than the US, and percentage of population/wise, is 48th in
the World..... They have few top experts. I expect if someone wealthy
wanted a transplant, he'd travel to the US. Less risk.
Until 2015 Chinese citizens convicted of serious crimes were
sometimes required to donate non-vital organs as a reparation to
society. That was banned by law in 2015. China is currently discussing abolishing even the death sentence. They've come a long way to
becoming civilized.
[]'s
On 7/7/2025 5:06 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 12:13:57 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 7/7/2025 11:24 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 07.07.2025 um 17:08 schrieb Shadow:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 09:27:40 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 7/7/2025 9:09 AM, Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 08:46:36 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
I can't imagine how he thought that route made sense
https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20250707-france-worried-
over-teenage-cyclist-s-disappearance-in-iran-monterlos
He was going to tour the US, but then decided that
Iran was
safer.
IMHO, he should have toured China. Very little crime
there.
:)
[]'s
Maybe.
Sorta depends on how you define vivisection for organ
transplants.
https://www.humanrightsresearch.org/post/forced-organ-
harvesting-another-chinese-communist-party-s-means-to-
target-minorities-and-dissidents
https://theconversation.com/killing-prisoners-for-
transplants-forced-organ-harvesting-in-china-161999
LOL. Nothing about Brazil? FHC (far right wing) made
organ
donation mandatory "in case someone needed it".
The only reserve was that you had to be dead to
harvest your
organs.
This reminds me of the Monty Python Sketch about liver
donation in "The meaing of Life": "After the operation you
will be dead".
That was written a very long time ago. No one suspected it
would become official State policy under CCP.
It was a sarcastic criticism of Margareth Thatcher's politics.
Monty Python was trying to show people that under her, people would
only be valued as "replacement parts" for the wealthy.
[]'s
Well, Ms Thatcher didn't and Mr Xi did.
On 7/7/2025 5:23 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 12:13:57 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 7/7/2025 11:24 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 07.07.2025 um 17:08 schrieb Shadow:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 09:27:40 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 7/7/2025 9:09 AM, Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 08:46:36 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
I can't imagine how he thought that route made sense
https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20250707-france-worried-
over-teenage-cyclist-s-disappearance-in-iran-monterlos
He was going to tour the US, but then decided that
Iran was
safer.
IMHO, he should have toured China. Very little crime
there.
:)
[]'s
Maybe.
Sorta depends on how you define vivisection for organ
transplants.
https://www.humanrightsresearch.org/post/forced-organ-
harvesting-another-chinese-communist-party-s-means-to-
target-minorities-and-dissidents
https://theconversation.com/killing-prisoners-for-
transplants-forced-organ-harvesting-in-china-161999
LOL. Nothing about Brazil? FHC (far right wing) made
organ
donation mandatory "in case someone needed it".
The only reserve was that you had to be dead to
harvest your
organs.
This reminds me of the Monty Python Sketch about liver
donation in "The meaing of Life": "After the operation you
will be dead".
That was written a very long time ago. No one suspected it
would become official State policy under CCP.
I expect that is a boogey-man #FAKE_NEWS. China performs less
transplants than the US, and percentage of population/wise, is 48th in
the World..... They have few top experts. I expect if someone wealthy
wanted a transplant, he'd travel to the US. Less risk.
Until 2015 Chinese citizens convicted of serious crimes were
sometimes required to donate non-vital organs as a reparation to
society. That was banned by law in 2015. China is currently discussing
abolishing even the death sentence. They've come a long way to
becoming civilized.
[]'s
It's been a huge and growing atrocity for well over a
decade, well reported and yet ignored outside PRC.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-forcefully-harvests-organs-detainees-tribunal-concludes-n1018646
https://health.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/industry/despite-multiple-attempts-by-human-rights-activists-forced-organ-harvesting-thrives-in-china/99708330
and on and on--
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 17:35:25 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 7/7/2025 5:06 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 12:13:57 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 7/7/2025 11:24 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 07.07.2025 um 17:08 schrieb Shadow:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 09:27:40 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 7/7/2025 9:09 AM, Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 08:46:36 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
I can't imagine how he thought that route made sense
https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20250707-france-worried-
over-teenage-cyclist-s-disappearance-in-iran-monterlos
    He was going to tour the US, but then decided that
Iran was
safer.
    IMHO, he should have toured China. Very little crime >>>>>>>> there.
    :)
    []'s
Maybe.
Sorta depends on how you define vivisection for organ
transplants.
https://www.humanrightsresearch.org/post/forced-organ-
harvesting-another-chinese-communist-party-s-means-to-
target-minorities-and-dissidents
https://theconversation.com/killing-prisoners-for-
transplants-forced-organ-harvesting-in-china-161999
    LOL. Nothing about Brazil? FHC (far right wing) made
organ
donation mandatory "in case someone needed it".
    The only reserve was that you had to be dead to
harvest your
organs.
This reminds me of the Monty Python Sketch about liver
donation in "The meaing of Life": "After the operation you
will be dead".
That was written a very long time ago. No one suspected it
would become official State policy under CCP.
It was a sarcastic criticism of Margareth Thatcher's politics.
Monty Python was trying to show people that under her, people would
only be valued as "replacement parts" for the wealthy.
[]'s
Well, Ms Thatcher didn't and Mr Xi did.
Fox "News"?
[]'s
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 17:47:16 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 7/7/2025 5:23 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 12:13:57 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 7/7/2025 11:24 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 07.07.2025 um 17:08 schrieb Shadow:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 09:27:40 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 7/7/2025 9:09 AM, Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 08:46:36 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
I can't imagine how he thought that route made sense
https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20250707-france-worried-
over-teenage-cyclist-s-disappearance-in-iran-monterlos
    He was going to tour the US, but then decided that
Iran was
safer.
    IMHO, he should have toured China. Very little crime >>>>>>>> there.
    :)
    []'s
Maybe.
Sorta depends on how you define vivisection for organ
transplants.
https://www.humanrightsresearch.org/post/forced-organ-
harvesting-another-chinese-communist-party-s-means-to-
target-minorities-and-dissidents
https://theconversation.com/killing-prisoners-for-
transplants-forced-organ-harvesting-in-china-161999
    LOL. Nothing about Brazil? FHC (far right wing) made
organ
donation mandatory "in case someone needed it".
    The only reserve was that you had to be dead to
harvest your
organs.
This reminds me of the Monty Python Sketch about liver
donation in "The meaing of Life": "After the operation you
will be dead".
That was written a very long time ago. No one suspected it
would become official State policy under CCP.
I expect that is a boogey-man #FAKE_NEWS. China performs less
transplants than the US, and percentage of population/wise, is 48th in
the World..... They have few top experts. I expect if someone wealthy
wanted a transplant, he'd travel to the US. Less risk.
Until 2015 Chinese citizens convicted of serious crimes were
sometimes required to donate non-vital organs as a reparation to
society. That was banned by law in 2015. China is currently discussing
abolishing even the death sentence. They've come a long way to
becoming civilized.
[]'s
It's been a huge and growing atrocity for well over a
decade, well reported and yet ignored outside PRC.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-forcefully-harvests-organs-detainees-tribunal-concludes-n1018646
The article mentions the government was thinking of banning
the practice in 2014.
//
In 2014, state media reported that China would phase out the practice
of taking organs from executed prisoners and said it would rely
instead on a national organ donation system.
//
It was banned in 2015, as I said. They now rely on
volunteers... donation is not mandatory, like in Brazil.
https://health.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/industry/despite-multiple-attempts-by-human-rights-activists-forced-organ-harvesting-thrives-in-china/99708330
LOL. A known right-wing #FAKE_NEWS outlet. American doctors
say that the Chinese .... blah blah...
I'll pass.
[]'s
and on and on
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 12:13:57 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 7/7/2025 11:24 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 07.07.2025 um 17:08 schrieb Shadow:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 09:27:40 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 7/7/2025 9:09 AM, Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 08:46:36 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
I can't imagine how he thought that route made sense
https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20250707-france-worried-
over-teenage-cyclist-s-disappearance-in-iran-monterlos
He was going to tour the US, but then decided that
Iran was
safer.
IMHO, he should have toured China. Very little crime
there.
:)
[]'s
Maybe.
Sorta depends on how you define vivisection for organ
transplants.
https://www.humanrightsresearch.org/post/forced-organ-
harvesting-another-chinese-communist-party-s-means-to-
target-minorities-and-dissidents
https://theconversation.com/killing-prisoners-for-
transplants-forced-organ-harvesting-in-china-161999
LOL. Nothing about Brazil? FHC (far right wing) made
organ
donation mandatory "in case someone needed it".
The only reserve was that you had to be dead to
harvest your
organs.
This reminds me of the Monty Python Sketch about liver
donation in "The meaing of Life": "After the operation you
will be dead".
That was written a very long time ago. No one suspected it
would become official State policy under CCP.
I expect that is a boogey-man #FAKE_NEWS. China performs less
transplants than the US, and percentage of population/wise, is 48th in
the World..... They have few top experts. I expect if someone wealthy
wanted a transplant, he'd travel to the US. Less risk.
Until 2015 Chinese citizens convicted of serious crimes were
sometimes required to donate non-vital organs as a reparation to
society. That was banned by law in 2015. China is currently discussing >abolishing even the death sentence. They've come a long way to
becoming civilized.
[]'s
On Mon, 07 Jul 2025 19:23:13 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 12:13:57 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 7/7/2025 11:24 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 07.07.2025 um 17:08 schrieb Shadow:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 09:27:40 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 7/7/2025 9:09 AM, Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 08:46:36 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
I can't imagine how he thought that route made sense
https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20250707-france-worried-
over-teenage-cyclist-s-disappearance-in-iran-monterlos
    He was going to tour the US, but then decided that
Iran was
safer.
    IMHO, he should have toured China. Very little crime
there.
    :)
    []'s
Maybe.
Sorta depends on how you define vivisection for organ
transplants.
https://www.humanrightsresearch.org/post/forced-organ-
harvesting-another-chinese-communist-party-s-means-to-
target-minorities-and-dissidents
https://theconversation.com/killing-prisoners-for-
transplants-forced-organ-harvesting-in-china-161999
    LOL. Nothing about Brazil? FHC (far right wing) made
organ
donation mandatory "in case someone needed it".
    The only reserve was that you had to be dead to
harvest your
organs.
This reminds me of the Monty Python Sketch about liver
donation in "The meaing of Life": "After the operation you
will be dead".
That was written a very long time ago. No one suspected it
would become official State policy under CCP.
I expect that is a boogey-man #FAKE_NEWS. China performs less
transplants than the US, and percentage of population/wise, is 48th in
the World..... They have few top experts. I expect if someone wealthy
wanted a transplant, he'd travel to the US. Less risk.
Until 2015 Chinese citizens convicted of serious crimes were
sometimes required to donate non-vital organs as a reparation to
society. That was banned by law in 2015. China is currently discussing
abolishing even the death sentence. They've come a long way to
becoming civilized.
[]'s
If you go in any of the larger government hospitals here (Thailand)
you will see posted, usually on elevator doors, how to will your body
parts for organ replacements. China was not unique.
--
cheers,
John B.
If you go in any of the larger government hospitals here (Thailand)
you will see posted, usually on elevator doors, how to will your body
parts for organ replacements. China was not unique.
On Mon, 07 Jul 2025 17:27:25 -0700, John B.
<jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
If you go in any of the larger government hospitals here (Thailand)
you will see posted, usually on elevator doors, how to will your body
parts for organ replacements. China was not unique.
When I renewed my drivers license in California, there was a single
check box on the online application for donating my body and organs to science.
"
Organ & Tissue Donor Statement
By registering as an organ and tissue donor, you agree to the recovery
of organs and tissues after your death. Your decision does not need
approval from anyone. If you are under 18 years old, you can register
and your parents or legal guardian will make the final donation
decision.
You may contact Donate Life California at www.donateLIFEcalifornia.org
or (866) 797-2366 to get more information about donation and to:
Add or remove your name from the registry
Limit your donation to specific organs or tissues
(e.g., lungs, kidney, heart)
Decide how your organ and tissue donation will be used
(e.g., transplants or research)
You agree that the DMV can electronically send your full name, home or mailing address, year of birth, and California driver's license or identification card number to Donate Life California.
"
That's it. Just one checkbox on a form and the entire body belongs to science.
One of the benefits of donating one's body to science is that there
are no funeral expenses.
I've also had the displeasure of spending some quality time in various hospitals. As part of the checking ordeal process, the issue of
donating my body to science always floats to the surface. I've been
hesitant to volunteer my body because it might inadvertently provide
an incentive for the doctors, administrators, etc to do a less than
adequate job of keeping me alive while I am their guest.
On my drivers license, there's a pink circle with "DONOR" near the
lower right of my photo. <https://d2z00kf51ll94q.cloudfront.net/archive/2020/large/OS_PR20_076M_11.jpg>
I guess that means I'm a donor. However, I tried checking my
registration as a donor at: <https://register.donatelifecalifornia.org/profile/login>
which failed. After some thrashing, I landed on the idenfy.com web
site, which wanted to photograph my drivers license. Never mind that
I'm already registered with the DMV. Abort. I'll untangle this mess
when I have more time.
On 7/7/2025 6:28 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 17:47:16 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 7/7/2025 5:23 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 12:13:57 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
It's been a huge and growing atrocity for well over a
decade, well reported and yet ignored outside PRC.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-forcefully-harvests-organs-detainees-tribunal-concludes-n1018646
The article mentions the government was thinking of banning
the practice in 2014.
//
In 2014, state media reported that China would phase out the practice
of taking organs from executed prisoners and said it would rely
instead on a national organ donation system.
//
It was banned in 2015, as I said. They now rely on
volunteers... donation is not mandatory, like in Brazil.
https://health.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/industry/despite-multiple-attempts-by-human-rights-activists-forced-organ-harvesting-thrives-in-china/99708330
LOL. A known right-wing #FAKE_NEWS outlet. American doctors
say that the Chinese .... blah blah...
I'll pass.
[]'s
and on and on
And yet it's ongoing and huge.
https://dafoh.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2024/04/dafoh-special-report-04252024.pdf
https://www.scu.edu/ethics/healthcare-ethics-blog/forced-organ-harvesting-a-decades-long-injustice-in-need-of-international-accountability-and-action/
https://currentsciencedaily.com/stories/644712139-analysis-killing-prisoners-for-transplants-forced-organ-harvesting-in-china
On Mon, 07 Jul 2025 19:23:13 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 12:13:57 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 7/7/2025 11:24 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 07.07.2025 um 17:08 schrieb Shadow:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 09:27:40 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 7/7/2025 9:09 AM, Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 08:46:36 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
I can't imagine how he thought that route made sense
https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20250707-france-worried-
over-teenage-cyclist-s-disappearance-in-iran-monterlos
He was going to tour the US, but then decided that
Iran was
safer.
IMHO, he should have toured China. Very little crime
there.
:)
[]'s
Maybe.
Sorta depends on how you define vivisection for organ
transplants.
https://www.humanrightsresearch.org/post/forced-organ-
harvesting-another-chinese-communist-party-s-means-to-
target-minorities-and-dissidents
https://theconversation.com/killing-prisoners-for-
transplants-forced-organ-harvesting-in-china-161999
LOL. Nothing about Brazil? FHC (far right wing) made
organ
donation mandatory "in case someone needed it".
The only reserve was that you had to be dead to
harvest your
organs.
This reminds me of the Monty Python Sketch about liver
donation in "The meaing of Life": "After the operation you
will be dead".
That was written a very long time ago. No one suspected it
would become official State policy under CCP.
I expect that is a boogey-man #FAKE_NEWS. China performs less >>transplants than the US, and percentage of population/wise, is 48th in
the World..... They have few top experts. I expect if someone wealthy >>wanted a transplant, he'd travel to the US. Less risk.
Until 2015 Chinese citizens convicted of serious crimes were >>sometimes required to donate non-vital organs as a reparation to
society. That was banned by law in 2015. China is currently discussing >>abolishing even the death sentence. They've come a long way to
becoming civilized.
[]'s
If you go in any of the larger government hospitals here (Thailand)
you will see posted, usually on elevator doors, how to will your body
parts for organ replacements. China was not unique.
On Mon, 07 Jul 2025 17:27:25 -0700, John B.
<jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
If you go in any of the larger government hospitals here (Thailand)
you will see posted, usually on elevator doors, how to will your body
parts for organ replacements. China was not unique.
When I renewed my drivers license in California, there was a single
check box on the online application for donating my body and organs to >science.
"
Organ & Tissue Donor Statement
By registering as an organ and tissue donor, you agree to the recovery
of organs and tissues after your death. Your decision does not need
approval from anyone. If you are under 18 years old, you can register
and your parents or legal guardian will make the final donation
decision.
You may contact Donate Life California at www.donateLIFEcalifornia.org
or (866) 797-2366 to get more information about donation and to:
Add or remove your name from the registry
Limit your donation to specific organs or tissues
(e.g., lungs, kidney, heart)
Decide how your organ and tissue donation will be used
(e.g., transplants or research)
You agree that the DMV can electronically send your full name, home or >mailing address, year of birth, and California driver's license or >identification card number to Donate Life California.
"
That's it. Just one checkbox on a form and the entire body belongs to >science.
One of the benefits of donating one's body to science is that there
are no funeral expenses.
I've also had the displeasure of spending some quality time in various >hospitals. As part of the checking ordeal process, the issue of
donating my body to science always floats to the surface. I've been
hesitant to volunteer my body because it might inadvertently provide
an incentive for the doctors, administrators, etc to do a less than
adequate job of keeping me alive while I am their guest.
On my drivers license, there's a pink circle with "DONOR" near the
lower right of my photo. ><https://d2z00kf51ll94q.cloudfront.net/archive/2020/large/OS_PR20_076M_11.jpg> >I guess that means I'm a donor. However, I tried checking my
registration as a donor at: ><https://register.donatelifecalifornia.org/profile/login>
which failed. After some thrashing, I landed on the idenfy.com web
site, which wanted to photograph my drivers license. Never mind that
I'm already registered with the DMV. Abort. I'll untangle this mess
when I have more time.
+1 to body donation.
I gave mine to a medical college 30 years ago which frees up
part of my estate for my daughter rather than an overpriced
box. I carry the card with me.
On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 07:31:52 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
+1 to body donation.
I gave mine to a medical college 30 years ago which frees up
part of my estate for my daughter rather than an overpriced
box. I carry the card with me.
One of my early jobs was "assistant embalmer" (floor sweeper) in a
mortuary. I don't recall when I signed for organ donation, but I
suspect it was when I was living with a lady friend who eventually
became a doctor. I hesitated because I suspected that she wanted to disassemble me to see how I functioned. Over the years, I changed my
mind several times. Indecision is the key to flexibility.
At the mortuary, I saw some rather ugly religious, legal and family wrangling. Jewish law requires that the body be buried within 24 hrs
of the time of death. Civil laws require that an autopsy be preformed
to determine the cause of death, unless a doctor was in attendance and
signed the death certificate. The family often wants an open casket
funeral, which requires an embalming procedure to make the deceased presentable, but which makes the corpse unsuitable for organ donation.
For an organ donation where the organ(s) in question need to be
functional, the corpse needs to be surgically dissected immediately.
In some cases, the matter was determined by who gets to the corpse
first. Other times, the deceased may have signed an organ donation
contract with multiple agencies. Such things change with local laws
and jurisdictions.
I'll stop here and not provide a list of other things that can go
wrong. I visit the local hospital for some surgery on Thurs morning
(July 10). Everyone says that it will be a quick and easy procedure.
Since I don't trust anyone involved, I'm worried. If I'm lucky, I
might survive.
On 7/8/2025 11:36 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 07:31:52 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
+1 to body donation.
I gave mine to a medical college 30 years ago which frees up
part of my estate for my daughter rather than an overpriced
box. I carry the card with me.
One of my early jobs was "assistant embalmer" (floor sweeper) in a
mortuary. I don't recall when I signed for organ donation, but I
suspect it was when I was living with a lady friend who eventually
became a doctor. I hesitated because I suspected that she wanted to
disassemble me to see how I functioned. Over the years, I changed my
mind several times. Indecision is the key to flexibility.
At the mortuary, I saw some rather ugly religious, legal and family
wrangling. Jewish law requires that the body be buried within 24 hrs
of the time of death. Civil laws require that an autopsy be preformed
to determine the cause of death, unless a doctor was in attendance and
signed the death certificate. The family often wants an open casket
funeral, which requires an embalming procedure to make the deceased
presentable, but which makes the corpse unsuitable for organ donation.
For an organ donation where the organ(s) in question need to be
functional, the corpse needs to be surgically dissected immediately.
In some cases, the matter was determined by who gets to the corpse
first. Other times, the deceased may have signed an organ donation
contract with multiple agencies. Such things change with local laws
and jurisdictions.
I'll stop here and not provide a list of other things that can go
wrong. I visit the local hospital for some surgery on Thurs morning
(July 10). Everyone says that it will be a quick and easy procedure.
Since I don't trust anyone involved, I'm worried. If I'm lucky, I
might survive.
Some day I'll provide a med student with an eyeball on a
toothpick for his Manhattan. So there's that.
On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 12:22:06 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 7/8/2025 11:36 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 07:31:52 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
+1 to body donation.
I gave mine to a medical college 30 years ago which frees up
part of my estate for my daughter rather than an overpriced
box. I carry the card with me.
One of my early jobs was "assistant embalmer" (floor sweeper) in a
mortuary. I don't recall when I signed for organ donation, but I
suspect it was when I was living with a lady friend who eventually
became a doctor. I hesitated because I suspected that she wanted to
disassemble me to see how I functioned. Over the years, I changed my
mind several times. Indecision is the key to flexibility.
At the mortuary, I saw some rather ugly religious, legal and family
wrangling. Jewish law requires that the body be buried within 24 hrs
of the time of death. Civil laws require that an autopsy be preformed
to determine the cause of death, unless a doctor was in attendance and
signed the death certificate. The family often wants an open casket
funeral, which requires an embalming procedure to make the deceased
presentable, but which makes the corpse unsuitable for organ donation.
For an organ donation where the organ(s) in question need to be
functional, the corpse needs to be surgically dissected immediately.
In some cases, the matter was determined by who gets to the corpse
first. Other times, the deceased may have signed an organ donation
contract with multiple agencies. Such things change with local laws
and jurisdictions.
I'll stop here and not provide a list of other things that can go
wrong. I visit the local hospital for some surgery on Thurs morning
(July 10). Everyone says that it will be a quick and easy procedure.
Since I don't trust anyone involved, I'm worried. If I'm lucky, I
might survive.
Some day I'll provide a med student with an eyeball on a
toothpick for his Manhattan. So there's that.
More likely you'll be eyeball soup: ><https://www.google.com/search?q=eyeball%20soup&udm=2> ><https://www.ebay.com/itm/194850852501>
There's also the Cannibal's Cook Book: ><https://www.amazon.com/Cannibals-Cookbook-Recipes-Remedies-Sacrifice/dp/0969989504>
and recipes:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=cannibal%20recipes&udm=2>
Beware of dinner invitations like "We would love to have you for
dinner".
With today's rising food prices, cannibalism seems to be gaining
popularity:
<https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/311277>
The medical "research", I guess organ donations are better than grave >robbing.
On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 12:22:06 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 7/8/2025 11:36 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 07:31:52 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
+1 to body donation.
I gave mine to a medical college 30 years ago which frees up
part of my estate for my daughter rather than an overpriced
box. I carry the card with me.
One of my early jobs was "assistant embalmer" (floor sweeper) in a
mortuary. I don't recall when I signed for organ donation, but I
suspect it was when I was living with a lady friend who eventually
became a doctor. I hesitated because I suspected that she wanted to
disassemble me to see how I functioned. Over the years, I changed my
mind several times. Indecision is the key to flexibility.
At the mortuary, I saw some rather ugly religious, legal and family
wrangling. Jewish law requires that the body be buried within 24 hrs
of the time of death. Civil laws require that an autopsy be preformed
to determine the cause of death, unless a doctor was in attendance and
signed the death certificate. The family often wants an open casket
funeral, which requires an embalming procedure to make the deceased
presentable, but which makes the corpse unsuitable for organ donation.
For an organ donation where the organ(s) in question need to be
functional, the corpse needs to be surgically dissected immediately.
In some cases, the matter was determined by who gets to the corpse
first. Other times, the deceased may have signed an organ donation
contract with multiple agencies. Such things change with local laws
and jurisdictions.
I'll stop here and not provide a list of other things that can go
wrong. I visit the local hospital for some surgery on Thurs morning
(July 10). Everyone says that it will be a quick and easy procedure.
Since I don't trust anyone involved, I'm worried. If I'm lucky, I
might survive.
Some day I'll provide a med student with an eyeball on a
toothpick for his Manhattan. So there's that.
More likely you'll be eyeball soup: <https://www.google.com/search?q=eyeball%20soup&udm=2> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/194850852501>
There's also the Cannibal's Cook Book: <https://www.amazon.com/Cannibals-Cookbook-Recipes-Remedies-Sacrifice/dp/0969989504>
and recipes:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=cannibal%20recipes&udm=2>
Beware of dinner invitations like "We would love to have you for
dinner".
With today's rising food prices, cannibalism seems to be gaining
popularity:
<https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/311277>
The medical "research", I guess organ donations are better than grave robbing.
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 19:25:17 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 7/7/2025 6:28 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 17:47:16 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 7/7/2025 5:23 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 12:13:57 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
<slight snip>
It's been a huge and growing atrocity for well over a
decade, well reported and yet ignored outside PRC.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-forcefully-harvests-organs-detainees-tribunal-concludes-n1018646
The article mentions the government was thinking of banning
the practice in 2014.
//
In 2014, state media reported that China would phase out the practice
of taking organs from executed prisoners and said it would rely
instead on a national organ donation system.
//
It was banned in 2015, as I said. They now rely on
volunteers... donation is not mandatory, like in Brazil.
https://health.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/industry/despite-multiple-attempts-by-human-rights-activists-forced-organ-harvesting-thrives-in-china/99708330
LOL. A known right-wing #FAKE_NEWS outlet. American doctors
say that the Chinese .... blah blah...
I'll pass.
[]'s
and on and on
And yet it's ongoing and huge.
https://dafoh.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2024/04/dafoh-special-report-04252024.pdf
https://www.scu.edu/ethics/healthcare-ethics-blog/forced-organ-harvesting-a-decades-long-injustice-in-need-of-international-accountability-and-action/
https://currentsciencedaily.com/stories/644712139-analysis-killing-prisoners-for-transplants-forced-organ-harvesting-in-china
America says, China says, America says, China says.
FACT. China does not import or produce enough
immunosuppressant drugs to cater for a large number of transplants.
Without those drugs, you simply cannot transplant..
OTOH, if an orange thing needed a kidney he'd just shoot the
potential donor. "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and they would still vote for me". And probably comment on
how "smart" he was.
[]'s
On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 12:22:06 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 7/8/2025 11:36 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 07:31:52 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
+1 to body donation.
I gave mine to a medical college 30 years ago which frees up
part of my estate for my daughter rather than an overpriced
box. I carry the card with me.
One of my early jobs was "assistant embalmer" (floor sweeper) in a
mortuary. I don't recall when I signed for organ donation, but I
suspect it was when I was living with a lady friend who eventually
became a doctor. I hesitated because I suspected that she wanted to
disassemble me to see how I functioned. Over the years, I changed my
mind several times. Indecision is the key to flexibility.
At the mortuary, I saw some rather ugly religious, legal and family
wrangling. Jewish law requires that the body be buried within 24 hrs
of the time of death. Civil laws require that an autopsy be preformed
to determine the cause of death, unless a doctor was in attendance and
signed the death certificate. The family often wants an open casket
funeral, which requires an embalming procedure to make the deceased
presentable, but which makes the corpse unsuitable for organ donation.
For an organ donation where the organ(s) in question need to be
functional, the corpse needs to be surgically dissected immediately.
In some cases, the matter was determined by who gets to the corpse
first. Other times, the deceased may have signed an organ donation
contract with multiple agencies. Such things change with local laws
and jurisdictions.
I'll stop here and not provide a list of other things that can go
wrong. I visit the local hospital for some surgery on Thurs morning
(July 10). Everyone says that it will be a quick and easy procedure.
Since I don't trust anyone involved, I'm worried. If I'm lucky, I
might survive.
Some day I'll provide a med student with an eyeball on a
toothpick for his Manhattan. So there's that.
More likely you'll be eyeball soup: <https://www.google.com/search?q=eyeball%20soup&udm=2> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/194850852501>
There's also the Cannibal's Cook Book: <https://www.amazon.com/Cannibals-Cookbook-Recipes-Remedies-Sacrifice/dp/0969989504>
and recipes:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=cannibal%20recipes&udm=2>
Beware of dinner invitations like "We would love to have you for
dinner".
With today's rising food prices, cannibalism seems to be gaining
popularity:
<https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/311277>
The medical "research", I guess organ donations are better than grave robbing.
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