• Re: bike gearing choices

    From Roger Merriman@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Tue Jul 8 15:56:38 2025
    AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
    On 7/8/2025 9:26 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 7/7/2025 10:08 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 7/7/2025 7:59 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

    I can accept five or six rounds as a compromise. I see no
    realistic reason for 30 rounds in either handguns or long
    guns.

    People more familiar than you with firearms overwhelmingly
    buy 20 and 30 round models. They are ubiquitous, cheap and
    plentiful because that's what people want.

    "That's what people want." IOW, "That's the fashion."

    Sorry, that's really, really weak. In some neighborhoods,
    "what they want" are auto-sears and, practically speaking,
    machine guns. Yet you seem to dislike those fashionable
    features.

    Why? I suspect it's because you view the disadvantages of
    full-auto in public hands to be greater than the advantages.
    Just as I view 30 round magazines in semi-autos.


    Would you address the snipped comments and then defend
    benefits of 2x12 versus 3x7 gearing with such a large price
    differential? Extra points for defending coasting on your bike.

    Depends on the use case really, while I could ride my bike (which had a
    flip flop hub) on the fixed side, bit like my use of flats vs clipped, I
    like being able to manoeuvre the bike about and neither of these help that,
    and with a Single Speed hub I can enjoy the downhills, only downside being
    such hubs can be prone to freezing, the pawls and start to stop engaging.

    None of my bikes are 12 speed even the new bike, I’ll be moving the 10s
    stuff over as that works well, and I have little interest in closer gaps.

    7 speed stuff is still free hub? And stuff like Tourney, which is quite the jump in performance and compatibility if one goes to 10/12 speeds, be that ergonomic or ability to run cable or hydraulic brake systems and so on.

    But with triples you do end swapping between chain rings, which is never as clean as the cassette, and thus, needs to be timed as you’ll need to change the cassette probably just afterwards.

    I found the very first gravel bike that had Tourney and so 3/7 really gappy
    on undulating roads, and quite tedious, off road was fine though didn’t
    have anything like the range that the 2/10 does helped by the GRX rear mech having a fairly generous capacity, also has a clutch so don’t get chain
    slap like you do on 90’s MTBs!

    Roger Merriman

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Roger Merriman on Tue Jul 8 11:01:59 2025
    On 7/8/2025 10:56 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
    AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
    On 7/8/2025 9:26 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 7/7/2025 10:08 PM, AMuzi wrote:
    On 7/7/2025 7:59 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

    I can accept five or six rounds as a compromise. I see no
    realistic reason for 30 rounds in either handguns or long
    guns.

    People more familiar than you with firearms overwhelmingly
    buy 20 and 30 round models. They are ubiquitous, cheap and
    plentiful because that's what people want.

    "That's what people want." IOW, "That's the fashion."

    Sorry, that's really, really weak. In some neighborhoods,
    "what they want" are auto-sears and, practically speaking,
    machine guns. Yet you seem to dislike those fashionable
    features.

    Why? I suspect it's because you view the disadvantages of
    full-auto in public hands to be greater than the advantages.
    Just as I view 30 round magazines in semi-autos.


    Would you address the snipped comments and then defend
    benefits of 2x12 versus 3x7 gearing with such a large price
    differential? Extra points for defending coasting on your bike.

    Depends on the use case really, while I could ride my bike (which had a
    flip flop hub) on the fixed side, bit like my use of flats vs clipped, I
    like being able to manoeuvre the bike about and neither of these help that, and with a Single Speed hub I can enjoy the downhills, only downside being such hubs can be prone to freezing, the pawls and start to stop engaging.

    None of my bikes are 12 speed even the new bike, I’ll be moving the 10s stuff over as that works well, and I have little interest in closer gaps.

    7 speed stuff is still free hub? And stuff like Tourney, which is quite the jump in performance and compatibility if one goes to 10/12 speeds, be that ergonomic or ability to run cable or hydraulic brake systems and so on.

    But with triples you do end swapping between chain rings, which is never as clean as the cassette, and thus, needs to be timed as you’ll need to change the cassette probably just afterwards.

    I found the very first gravel bike that had Tourney and so 3/7 really gappy on undulating roads, and quite tedious, off road was fine though didn’t have anything like the range that the 2/10 does helped by the GRX rear mech having a fairly generous capacity, also has a clutch so don’t get chain slap like you do on 90’s MTBs!

    Roger Merriman



    +1
    Excellent overview, which highlights that each rider has
    different criteria and within those criteria different
    preferences.

    Just like every other activity and object.

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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