https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1428222664989145&set=pb.100034042758783.-2207520000&type=3
This is a photograph of my honorable dischage from the US Air Force. It says that I was an Airman 2nd Class and about halfway down the right side of the page it shows clearly that mp job was 3 2150L meaning that I was a senior repairman.
The only tool bag I carried was my own. And my assistant carried his own and not mine. Unlike John, I didn't flaunt my rank by enslaving others. On Line 12 it uses the term "SAC" for "Strategic Air Command".SAC or TAC.
I think that it is past time for him to show us his dischage papers. I wouldn't be surprised to discover that despite supposedly being a "Crew Chief" of a bomber/tanker that he was never in SAC at all. He has told us that he never even heard the term
The Air Force has since changed the names of those commands but during the time that John Slocomb was in thebombed and flew back where the plane was deemed unrepairable.
Air Force that was the command structure. But if you try to look up Air Force commands on Wikipedia they don't mention the older command structure but only the new.
But Work Orders didn't chsnge and the fact that because of all of the old WW II maintenance men staying in, there was NO promotions except on very rare occassions.
John has been claiming that the younger men could not sign off on work orders simply by passing a test is sheer nonsense.
Otherwise, I agree with John on most things. In the Air Force eveyone had a job and everyone was important from the lowest cook, to (at the time) Colonel Jimmy Stewart. (who died a two star general)
In WW II Stewart immediately joined the Air Force as as a Captain flew the flying coffin - the B24 on missions over Germany. He lived to tell the story. On one mission, the entire underside of the pilots cabin was shot away and he continued on and
Box 25A (Specialty Number and Title) shows:
"3 2150L BOMB NAV SYS MECH"
making you a bombing and navigation system technician and not a
"senior repairman".
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 17:44:57 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
Box 25A (Specialty Number and Title) shows:
"3 2150L BOMB NAV SYS MECH"
making you a bombing and navigation system technician and not a
"senior repairman".
That should be "mechanic" instead of "technician".
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1428222664989145&set=pb.100034042758783.-2207520000&type=3
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This is a photograph of my honorable dischage from the US Air Force. It says that I was an Airman 2nd Class and about halfway down the right side of the page it shows clearly that mp job was 3 2150L meaning that I was a senior repairman.
On 7/11/2025 7:46 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 17:44:57 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
Box 25A (Specialty Number and Title) shows:
"3 2150L BOMB NAV SYS MECH"
making you a bombing and navigation system technician and not a
"senior repairman".
That should be "mechanic" instead of "technician".
In our age group, "senior repairman", as you recently
visited, is an exalted position.
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:18:52 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 7/11/2025 7:46 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 17:44:57 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
Box 25A (Specialty Number and Title) shows:
"3 2150L BOMB NAV SYS MECH"
making you a bombing and navigation system technician and not a
"senior repairman".
That should be "mechanic" instead of "technician".
In our age group, "senior repairman", as you recently
visited, is an exalted position.
We're talking about Tom's age group, not ours. In the days of Tom's
age group, Tom was born on Oct 22, 1944 and released from service on
April 14, 1967. Tom would have been 22 years, 5 months, 23 days old. ><https://www.timeanddate.com/date/durationresult.html?m1=10&d1=22&y1=1944&m2=04&d2=14&y2=1967>
I don't know anyone who might be considered a "senior repairman" in an >exalted position at that age.
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 19:12:46 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:18:52 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 7/11/2025 7:46 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 17:44:57 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> >>>> wrote:
Box 25A (Specialty Number and Title) shows:
"3 2150L BOMB NAV SYS MECH"
making you a bombing and navigation system technician and not a
"senior repairman".
That should be "mechanic" instead of "technician".
In our age group, "senior repairman", as you recently
visited, is an exalted position.
We're talking about Tom's age group, not ours. In the days of Tom's
age group, Tom was born on Oct 22, 1944 and released from service on
April 14, 1967. Tom would have been 22 years, 5 months, 23 days old. >><https://www.timeanddate.com/date/durationresult.html?m1=10&d1=22&y1=1944&m2=04&d2=14&y2=1967>
I don't know anyone who might be considered a "senior repairman" in an >>exalted position at that age.
As used in the military of that time it referred to skill level not
age :-)
And skill levels were determined by passed the skill level test - from
memory a 100 question test covering all phases of knowledge concerning
your assigned skill. A test for each of the three levels - 3 level,
similar to civilian apprentice level, 5 level for a qualified
craftsman and 7 level for "master". A '3 level would be in training,
whether in school or on the job, '5' the average trained craftsman and
'7' general a shop manger or training for a similar
position, including both technical knowledge and "man management" as
it was termed in my day.
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 21:54:44 -0700, John B.
<jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 19:12:46 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> >>wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:18:52 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 7/11/2025 7:46 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 17:44:57 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> >>>>> wrote:
Box 25A (Specialty Number and Title) shows:
"3 2150L BOMB NAV SYS MECH"
making you a bombing and navigation system technician and not a
"senior repairman".
That should be "mechanic" instead of "technician".
In our age group, "senior repairman", as you recently
visited, is an exalted position.
We're talking about Tom's age group, not ours. In the days of Tom's
age group, Tom was born on Oct 22, 1944 and released from service on >>>April 14, 1967. Tom would have been 22 years, 5 months, 23 days old. >>><https://www.timeanddate.com/date/durationresult.html?m1=10&d1=22&y1=1944&m2=04&d2=14&y2=1967>
I don't know anyone who might be considered a "senior repairman" in an >>>exalted position at that age.
As used in the military of that time it referred to skill level not
age :-)
And skill levels were determined by passed the skill level test - from >>memory a 100 question test covering all phases of knowledge concerning
your assigned skill. A test for each of the three levels - 3 level,
similar to civilian apprentice level, 5 level for a qualified
craftsman and 7 level for "master". A '3 level would be in training, >>whether in school or on the job, '5' the average trained craftsman and
'7' general a shop manger or training for a similar
position, including both technical knowledge and "man management" as
it was termed in my day.
Added to above... my rather long drawn explanation was in reference to
the comment, "a "senior repairman" in an exalted position at that
age." Age had nothing to do with it.
What is more interesting is that his "war stories" were all about a 90
day Temporary Duty (TDY) assignment to Guam. Assuming a 3 month basic >training upon enlistment, a 3 month Technical training course and the
3 month assignment in Guam, what did he do for the rest of the 4 year
active duty enlistment?
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:18:52 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 7/11/2025 7:46 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 17:44:57 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
Box 25A (Specialty Number and Title) shows:
"3 2150L BOMB NAV SYS MECH"
making you a bombing and navigation system technician and not a
"senior repairman".
That should be "mechanic" instead of "technician".
In our age group, "senior repairman", as you recently
visited, is an exalted position.
We're talking about Tom's age group, not ours. In the days of Tom's
age group, Tom was born on Oct 22, 1944 and released from service on
April 14, 1967. Tom would have been 22 years, 5 months, 23 days old. <https://www.timeanddate.com/date/durationresult.html?m1=10&d1=22&y1=1944&m2=04&d2=14&y2=1967>
I don't know anyone who might be considered a "senior repairman" in an exalted position at that age.
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 21:54:44 -0700, John B.
<jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 19:12:46 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:18:52 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 7/11/2025 7:46 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 17:44:57 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> >>>>> wrote:
Box 25A (Specialty Number and Title) shows:
"3 2150L BOMB NAV SYS MECH"
making you a bombing and navigation system technician and not a
"senior repairman".
That should be "mechanic" instead of "technician".
In our age group, "senior repairman", as you recently
visited, is an exalted position.
We're talking about Tom's age group, not ours. In the days of Tom's
age group, Tom was born on Oct 22, 1944 and released from service on
April 14, 1967. Tom would have been 22 years, 5 months, 23 days old.
<https://www.timeanddate.com/date/durationresult.html?m1=10&d1=22&y1=1944&m2=04&d2=14&y2=1967>
I don't know anyone who might be considered a "senior repairman" in an
exalted position at that age.
As used in the military of that time it referred to skill level not
age :-)
And skill levels were determined by passed the skill level test - from
memory a 100 question test covering all phases of knowledge concerning
your assigned skill. A test for each of the three levels - 3 level,
similar to civilian apprentice level, 5 level for a qualified
craftsman and 7 level for "master". A '3 level would be in training,
whether in school or on the job, '5' the average trained craftsman and
'7' general a shop manger or training for a similar
position, including both technical knowledge and "man management" as
it was termed in my day.
Added to above... my rather long drawn explanation was in reference to
the comment, "a "senior repairman" in an exalted position at that
age." Age had nothing to do with it.
What is more interesting is that his "war stories" were all about a 90
day Temporary Duty (TDY) assignment to Guam. Assuming a 3 month basic training upon enlistment, a 3 month Technical training course and the
3 month assignment in Guam, what did he do for the rest of the 4 year
active duty enlistment?
--
cheers,
John B.
On 7/11/2025 9:12 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:18:52 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 7/11/2025 7:46 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 17:44:57 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> >>>> wrote:
Box 25A (Specialty Number and Title) shows:
"3 2150L BOMB NAV SYS MECH"
making you a bombing and navigation system technician and not a
"senior repairman".
That should be "mechanic" instead of "technician".
In our age group, "senior repairman", as you recently
visited, is an exalted position.
We're talking about Tom's age group, not ours. In the days of Tom's
age group, Tom was born on Oct 22, 1944 and released from service on
April 14, 1967. Tom would have been 22 years, 5 months, 23 days old.
<https://www.timeanddate.com/date/durationresult.html?m1=10&d1=22&y1=1944&m2=04&d2=14&y2=1967>
I don't know anyone who might be considered a "senior repairman" in an
exalted position at that age.
I meant the guys who repair seniors as with your recent
medical adventure.
It took me 40 minutes to write this. I guess I'm in slow mode.
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 07:55:22 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 7/11/2025 9:12 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:18:52 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 7/11/2025 7:46 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 17:44:57 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> >>>>> wrote:
Box 25A (Specialty Number and Title) shows:
"3 2150L BOMB NAV SYS MECH"
making you a bombing and navigation system technician and not a
"senior repairman".
That should be "mechanic" instead of "technician".
In our age group, "senior repairman", as you recently
visited, is an exalted position.
We're talking about Tom's age group, not ours. In the days of Tom's
age group, Tom was born on Oct 22, 1944 and released from service on
April 14, 1967. Tom would have been 22 years, 5 months, 23 days old.
<https://www.timeanddate.com/date/durationresult.html?m1=10&d1=22&y1=1944&m2=04&d2=14&y2=1967>
I don't know anyone who might be considered a "senior repairman" in an
exalted position at that age.
I meant the guys who repair seniors as with your recent
medical adventure.
Oops. I didn't catch that when you first posted that. I also didn't
cache it when you admitted that it was a pun. However, I do have a
marginal excuse. I survived the best efforts of the body mechanics to
cure my ills through surgery. I posted 2 messages to
rec.bicycles.tech on Thurs afternoon, after I escape from surgery. I
know I posted the messages because I later read them. However, I
don't remember writing them. My apologies for the spelling and
grammar errors.
By evening, the pain meds had worn off. I was expected to read and
follow 14 pages of discharge instructions. I missed the part about
taking a pain killer pill. By midnight, I was in agony (8 on the 0-10
agony scale). I felt like someone had stabbed me with a knife, which
is approximately what happened. I eventually remembered to take the
pain killer and apply a cold pack. The agony was down to an easily
tolerable 2 by about 3pm. Two Tylenol pills and another cold pack and
the pains held at a 2 which is quite tolerable.
I finally dragged myself out of bed the next morning (Friday) at about
5am. I turned on the smartphone to check my email. I made the
mistake of checking Usenet, and noticed that Tom had posted his DD214.
That was too much of a temptation to ignore. I found a lie and some misinterpretations. However, my spelling, grammar, and logic were
terrible which took about 20 minutes to correct. I wrote some other problematic comments which I deleted rather than comment.
Incidentally, reading the out-of-focus DD214 text was difficult.
Finding a 60 year old blank DD214 form was equally difficult. There
might have been one available but I didn't find it. I'll try again
later. This is the best I can do this morning. (Nov 1, 1955) <https://prettyperfect.com/products/dd214-blanket-dd214-gifts-dd214-alumni-dd214>
<https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/c9ux01xpeu93s2b97qnxa/DD214-Blank.pdf>
I'll probably sleep most of the weekend.
It took me 40 minutes to write this. I guess I'm in slow mode.
This is a photograph of my honorable dischage from the US Air Force.
In article <uZgcQ.191018$xcB4.94419@fx47.iad>,
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
This is a photograph of my honorable dischage from the US Air Force.
There is an awful lot of identifying information in there. It's probably
best not shared unless redacted.
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 23:18:50 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1428222664989145&set=pb.100034042758783.-2207520000&type=3
r
This is a photograph of my honorable dischage from the US Air Force. It says that I was an Airman 2nd Class and about halfway down the right side of the page it shows clearly that mp job was 3 2150L meaning that I was a senior repairman.
Nope. the number in that position says that you were a '5' skill
level.
Skill level codes were "3", "5" and "7". In civilian terms an
"apprentice", qualified worker and "master".
In the AF these skill levels were determined by taking a test.
On 7/13/2025 12:23 AM, Beej Jorgensen wrote:
In article <uZgcQ.191018$xcB4.94419@fx47.iad>,
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
This is a photograph of my honorable dischage from the US Air Force.
There is an awful lot of identifying information in there. It's probably best not shared unless redacted.
And tommy wonders why he keeps getting hacked.....
In article <uZgcQ.191018$xcB4.94419@fx47.iad>,
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
This is a photograph of my honorable dischage from the US Air Force.
There is an awful lot of identifying information in there. It's probably
best not shared unless redacted.
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 23:18:50 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>SAC or TAC.
wrote:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1428222664989145&set=pb.100034042758783.-2207520000&type=3
This is a photograph of my honorable dischage from the US Air Force. It says that I was an Airman 2nd Class and about halfway down the right side of the page it shows clearly that mp job was 3 2150L meaning that I was a senior repairman.
Nope. What were you thinking? That nobody would actually read your
DD214 form (see mangled number in lower left of photo)?
Box 25A (Specialty Number and Title) shows:
"3 2150L BOMB NAV SYS MECH"
making you a bombing and navigation system technician and not a
"senior repairman".
Box 28 (Service Schools or Colleges etc) shows that you successfully completed
"ABR 32310L BOMB NAV SYS MECH"
at Lowry AFM, Colorado in 1964.
Box 10a shows that your "highest civilian educational level attained"
was:
"High School GED" (Graduate Equivalency Degree) which suggests that
you actually did make the effort to graduate from High School. You
might want to explain why you insisted that you dropped out of high
school so that you could "read out" 3 public libraries and a military
library and avoid graduating from high school.
Box 11a, b and c show that you were released from active duty at March
AFB, Riverside California on Apr 14, 1967. While not as impressive as
some of the exotic locations you claim to have served (Vietnam, Guam,
Incidentally, could I trouble you to take a better photo, preferably
one that is not at an angle, which insures that parts of the photo are unreadable and out of focus? Thanks.
The only tool bag I carried was my own. And my assistant carried his own and not mine. Unlike John, I didn't flaunt my rank by enslaving others. On Line 12 it uses the term "SAC" for "Strategic Air Command".
I think that it is past time for him to show us his dischage papers. I wouldn't be surprised to discover that despite supposedly being a "Crew Chief" of a bomber/tanker that he was never in SAC at all. He has told us that he never even heard the term
bombed and flew back where the plane was deemed unrepairable.The Air Force has since changed the names of those commands but during the time that John Slocomb was in the
Air Force that was the command structure. But if you try to look up Air Force commands on Wikipedia they don't mention the older command structure but only the new.
But Work Orders didn't chsnge and the fact that because of all of the old WW II maintenance men staying in, there was NO promotions except on very rare occassions.
John has been claiming that the younger men could not sign off on work orders simply by passing a test is sheer nonsense.
Otherwise, I agree with John on most things. In the Air Force eveyone had a job and everyone was important from the lowest cook, to (at the time) Colonel Jimmy Stewart. (who died a two star general)
In WW II Stewart immediately joined the Air Force as as a Captain flew the flying coffin - the B24 on missions over Germany. He lived to tell the story. On one mission, the entire underside of the pilots cabin was shot away and he continued on and
Nice change of topic. Well done.
I had some rather nasty and painful surgery done Thurs morning and am therefore not feeling so wonderful tonight. I replied because I
thought you might appreciate the recognition. It will probably be
about 1 week before I can reliably return to rec.bicycles.tech. John,
he's all yours.
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 17:44:57 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
Box 25A (Specialty Number and Title) shows:
"3 2150L BOMB NAV SYS MECH"
making you a bombing and navigation system technician and not a
"senior repairman".
That should be "mechanic" instead of "technician".
Added to above... my rather long drawn explanation was in reference to
the comment, "a "senior repairman" in an exalted position at that
age." Age had nothing to do with it.
What is more interesting is that his "war stories" were all about a 90
day Temporary Duty (TDY) assignment to Guam. Assuming a 3 month basic training upon enlistment, a 3 month Technical training course and the
3 month assignment in Guam, what did he do for the rest of the 4 year
active duty enlistment?
On Fri Jul 11 17:46:38 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 17:44:57 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
Box 25A (Specialty Number and Title) shows:
"3 2150L BOMB NAV SYS MECH"
making you a bombing and navigation system technician and not a
"senior repairman".
That should be "mechanic" instead of "technician".
Explain what you believe to be a difference between a mechanic and a technician. Good God you're an idiot.
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 16:16:39 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri Jul 11 17:46:38 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 17:44:57 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
Box 25A (Specialty Number and Title) shows:
"3 2150L BOMB NAV SYS MECH"
making you a bombing and navigation system technician and not a
"senior repairman".
That should be "mechanic" instead of "technician".
Explain what you believe to be a difference between a mechanic and a technician. Good God you're an idiot.
That was a correction. I mistakenly called you a "bombing and
navigation system technician". After posting, I realized that I had
not properly expanded your official USAF title of:
"3 2150L BOMB NAV SYS MECH".
I therefore added a correction indicating that you were a:
"bombing and navigation system mechanic"
and not a:
"bombing and navigation system technician"
On Fri Jul 18 10:55:10 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 16:16:39 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri Jul 11 17:46:38 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 17:44:57 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
Box 25A (Specialty Number and Title) shows:
"3 2150L BOMB NAV SYS MECH"
making you a bombing and navigation system technician and not a
"senior repairman".
That should be "mechanic" instead of "technician".
Explain what you believe to be a difference between a mechanic and a technician. Good God you're an idiot.
That was a correction. I mistakenly called you a "bombing and
navigation system technician". After posting, I realized that I had
not properly expanded your official USAF title of:
"3 2150L BOMB NAV SYS MECH".
I therefore added a correction indicating that you were a:
"bombing and navigation system mechanic"
and not a:
"bombing and navigation system technician"
You still haven't answered what you think what difference there is? The mechanics at all of the local new car lots are refered to as technicians. You were a technician that largely did nothing at all.
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 19:12:46 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:18:52 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 7/11/2025 7:46 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 17:44:57 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> >>> wrote:
Box 25A (Specialty Number and Title) shows:
"3 2150L BOMB NAV SYS MECH"
making you a bombing and navigation system technician and not a
"senior repairman".
That should be "mechanic" instead of "technician".
In our age group, "senior repairman", as you recently
visited, is an exalted position.
We're talking about Tom's age group, not ours. In the days of Tom's
age group, Tom was born on Oct 22, 1944 and released from service on
April 14, 1967. Tom would have been 22 years, 5 months, 23 days old. ><https://www.timeanddate.com/date/durationresult.html?m1=10&d1=22&y1=1944&m2=04&d2=14&y2=1967>
I don't know anyone who might be considered a "senior repairman" in an >exalted position at that age.
As used in the military of that time it referred to skill level not
age :-)
And skill levels were determined by passed the skill level test - from
memory a 100 question test covering all phases of knowledge concerning
your assigned skill. A test for each of the three levels - 3 level,
similar to civilian apprentice level, 5 level for a qualified
craftsman and 7 level for "master". A '3 level would be in training,
whether in school or on the job, '5' the average trained craftsman and
'7' general a shop manger or training for a similar
position, including both technical knowledge and "man management" as
it was termed in my day.
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 20:44:32 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri Jul 18 10:55:10 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 16:16:39 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri Jul 11 17:46:38 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 17:44:57 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> >> >> wrote:
Box 25A (Specialty Number and Title) shows:
"3 2150L BOMB NAV SYS MECH"
making you a bombing and navigation system technician and not a
"senior repairman".
That should be "mechanic" instead of "technician".
Explain what you believe to be a difference between a mechanic and a technician. Good God you're an idiot.
That was a correction. I mistakenly called you a "bombing and
navigation system technician". After posting, I realized that I had
not properly expanded your official USAF title of:
"3 2150L BOMB NAV SYS MECH".
I therefore added a correction indicating that you were a:
"bombing and navigation system mechanic"
and not a:
"bombing and navigation system technician"
You still haven't answered what you think what difference there is? The mechanics at all of the local new car lots are refered to as technicians. You were a technician that largely did nothing at all.
I'll assume that you want to know the difference between an avionics technician and an aircraft mechanic and NOT the automotive
equivalents.
<https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1428222664989145&set=pb.100034042758783.-2207520000&type=3>
Note (again) that the USAF, on your DD214, considered you a "3 2150L
BOMB NAV SYS MECH" (mechanic). This is quite different from I've
found on various web sites. This one is typical.
"What Is Better, Avionics Technicians vs Aircraft Mechanics?" <https://www.thrustinstitute.com/avionics-technicians-vs-aircraft-mechanics/>
"Avionics technicians focus on the instruments, radios, and other
electronic components of the plane, usually in and around the cockpit.
Their work is generally smaller and more intricate, involving small electrical components or computerized black boxes."
"Aircraft mechanics, otherwise known as A&Ps, spend their day focusing
on the mechanical and structural elements of the airframe and
powerplant."
I don't know how to reconcile the various terms. If I had to pick the
titles by how frequently they appear in a Google search, it would be: "avionics technician" and "aircraft (or airframe) mechanic".
Oversimplified, this means that an avionics technician works with test equipment while an airframe mechanic works with a wrench.
If you have the time, a more legible photo or preferable a scan of
your DD14 would be nice.
On Fri Jul 18 14:58:22 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 20:44:32 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri Jul 18 10:55:10 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 16:16:39 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri Jul 11 17:46:38 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 17:44:57 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> >> >> >> wrote:
Box 25A (Specialty Number and Title) shows:
"3 2150L BOMB NAV SYS MECH"
making you a bombing and navigation system technician and not a
"senior repairman".
That should be "mechanic" instead of "technician".
Explain what you believe to be a difference between a mechanic and a technician. Good God you're an idiot.
That was a correction. I mistakenly called you a "bombing and
navigation system technician". After posting, I realized that I had
not properly expanded your official USAF title of:
"3 2150L BOMB NAV SYS MECH".
I therefore added a correction indicating that you were a:
"bombing and navigation system mechanic"
and not a:
"bombing and navigation system technician"
You still haven't answered what you think what difference there is? The mechanics at all of the local new car lots are refered to as technicians. You were a technician that largely did nothing at all.
I'll assume that you want to know the difference between an avionics
technician and an aircraft mechanic and NOT the automotive
equivalents.
<https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1428222664989145&set=pb.100034042758783.-2207520000&type=3>
Note (again) that the USAF, on your DD214, considered you a "3 2150L
BOMB NAV SYS MECH" (mechanic). This is quite different from I've
found on various web sites. This one is typical.
"What Is Better, Avionics Technicians vs Aircraft Mechanics?"
<https://www.thrustinstitute.com/avionics-technicians-vs-aircraft-mechanics/>
"Avionics technicians focus on the instruments, radios, and other
electronic components of the plane, usually in and around the cockpit.
Their work is generally smaller and more intricate, involving small
electrical components or computerized black boxes."
"Aircraft mechanics, otherwise known as A&Ps, spend their day focusing
on the mechanical and structural elements of the airframe and
powerplant."
I don't know how to reconcile the various terms. If I had to pick the
titles by how frequently they appear in a Google search, it would be:
"avionics technician" and "aircraft (or airframe) mechanic".
Oversimplified, this means that an avionics technician works with test
equipment while an airframe mechanic works with a wrench.
If you have the time, a more legible photo or preferable a scan of
your DD14 would be nice.
You STILL haven't told us a quantitative difference between a technician and a mechanic.
In fact,
the terms are interchangablebut
you want to pretend that there is something special about being a technician since you were never able to rise above that level.
On Fri Jul 11 17:46:38 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 17:44:57 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
Box 25A (Specialty Number and Title) shows:
"3 2150L BOMB NAV SYS MECH"
making you a bombing and navigation system technician and not a
"senior repairman".
That should be "mechanic" instead of "technician".
Explain what you believe to be a difference between a mechanic and a technician. Good God you're an idiot.
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