Wa5tching the Tour yesterday, I noticed that the naration is getting more
and more away from what is actully happening. There was a "fall" which
was caused not by touching anyone but because eveyone is riding so damn
fast that they are all in the big ring and small cog. On on descent, one group approached a 200 degree turn which slowed them up quite a bit and
then while trying to accelerate out of that one of the competitors pulled
out of his shoe. Maybe he fell over, I can't remember but I would hardly classify that as a crash.
Also, Pogscsr's main advantate is his ability to spurt. Jonas used to
have this too which allowed him to keep up with Pogachar until he broke
him, but after his terrible accident, he hasn't had time to build up to
this level again. I also think that the Visma teamn has not been training together this year. Wout Van Aert and Sepp Kuss are REALLY below their
past marks.Mathew Jorgenson is really good and has years ahead to improve.
EF Education has REALLY left a mark in the Tour this year. That should
help get more sponsorship. They were on the very edge of folding. Imagine what they could have done with their team leader?
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
Wa5tching the Tour yesterday, I noticed that the naration is getting more
and more away from what is actully happening. There was a "fall" which
was caused not by touching anyone but because eveyone is riding so damn
fast that they are all in the big ring and small cog. On on descent, one
group approached a 200 degree turn which slowed them up quite a bit and
then while trying to accelerate out of that one of the competitors pulled
out of his shoe. Maybe he fell over, I can't remember but I would hardly
classify that as a crash.
I assume you mean commentary which will depend on who your watching, the footage is provided by French tv, and only they have control over that,
which just occasionally means it’s focused on a French interest rather than the race at large.
Also, Pogscsr's main advantate is his ability to spurt. Jonas used to
have this too which allowed him to keep up with Pogachar until he broke
him, but after his terrible accident, he hasn't had time to build up to
this level again. I also think that the Visma teamn has not been training
together this year. Wout Van Aert and Sepp Kuss are REALLY below their
past marks.Mathew Jorgenson is really good and has years ahead to improve.
Pog and Jonas are both at another level yes, Pog has to the best of my knowledge always had the better sprint, he’s suffered on big hot climbs before now,
and Jonas is still the better descender.
The question of who might win might of been fairly clear bar calamity but it’s been quite a spectacular and interesting race, I’m out tomorrow so be
catch up only, rather than watching a few hours.
EF Education has REALLY left a mark in the Tour this year. That should
help get more sponsorship. They were on the very edge of folding. Imagine
what they could have done with their team leader?
Roger Merriman
On 7/26/2025 5:27 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
Wa5tching the Tour yesterday, I noticed that the naration
is getting more
and more away from what is actully happening. There was a
"fall" which
was caused not by touching anyone but because eveyone is
riding so damn
fast that they are all in the big ring and small cog. On
on descent, one
group approached a 200 degree turn which slowed them up
quite a bit and
then while trying to accelerate out of that one of the
competitors pulled
out of his shoe. Maybe he fell over, I can't remember but
I would hardly
classify that as a crash.
I assume you mean commentary which will depend on who your
watching, the
footage is provided by French tv, and only they have
control over that,
which just occasionally means it’s focused on a French
interest rather than
the race at large.
It's amazing how tommy can watch the same thing everyone
else is watching and have a completely different narrative
of the events.
He's referring to the crash by Gregor Mühlberger on the
descent of the Col du Glandon with about 90 Km to go. The
narration and video were pretty clear, he over-braked and
his rear wheel slid out, then regained traction but the
momentum flipped him over towards the outside of the curve.
He did indeed come down pretty hard. Yes, tommy, that's a
crash.
Also, unless they built a bridge for the road to cross over
itself, it's physically impossible for it to be a 200 degree
turn. Anything more than 180 and the road would cross back
over itself.
Given that everyone else not only made it through without
crashing, but also that everyone behind him managed to avoid
him, it obviously wasn't a case of everyone going "too damn
fast".
Also, Pogscsr's main advantate is his ability to spurt.
Jonas used to
have this too which allowed him to keep up with Pogachar
until he broke
him, but after his terrible accident, he hasn't had time
to build up to
this level again. I also think that the Visma teamn has
not been training
together this year. Wout Van Aert and Sepp Kuss are
REALLY below their
past marks.Mathew Jorgenson is really good and has years
ahead to improve.
Pog and Jonas are both at another level yes, Pog has to
the best of my
knowledge always had the better sprint, he’s suffered on
big hot climbs
before now,
what the fuck was tommy watching where he is seeing Pogacar
'spurt'?
that aside, Pogacar has always been the better sprinter over
Vingegaard. In fact, that was one of the comment early on in
the tour this year, how Jonas had been working on his
sprinting and anaerobic burst over the past year, and it
seems to have hurt his ability to stay Pogecar on the long
steady efforts.
and Jonas is still the better descender.
Nope, if you remember last years tour, Pogacar dropped Jonas
on a long descent. When asked about it after the stage, the
Visma DS Merijn Zeeman attributed it to pogacars addition 10
kilos.
The question of who might win might of been fairly clear
bar calamity but
it’s been quite a spectacular and interesting race, I’m
out tomorrow so be
catch up only, rather than watching a few hours.
EF Education has REALLY left a mark in the Tour this
year. That should
help get more sponsorship. They were on the very edge of
folding. Imagine
what they could have done with their team leader?
Roger Merriman
On 7/26/2025 6:21 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 7/26/2025 5:27 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
Wa5tching the Tour yesterday, I noticed that the naration
is getting more
and more away from what is actully happening. There was a
"fall" which
was caused not by touching anyone but because eveyone is
riding so damn
fast that they are all in the big ring and small cog. On
on descent, one
group approached a 200 degree turn which slowed them up
quite a bit and
then while trying to accelerate out of that one of the
competitors pulled
out of his shoe. Maybe he fell over, I can't remember but
I would hardly
classify that as a crash.
I assume you mean commentary which will depend on who your
watching, the
footage is provided by French tv, and only they have
control over that,
which just occasionally means it?s focused on a French
interest rather than
the race at large.
It's amazing how tommy can watch the same thing everyone
else is watching and have a completely different narrative
of the events.
He's referring to the crash by Gregor M hlberger on the
descent of the Col du Glandon with about 90 Km to go. The
narration and video were pretty clear, he over-braked and
his rear wheel slid out, then regained traction but the
momentum flipped him over towards the outside of the curve.
He did indeed come down pretty hard. Yes, tommy, that's a
crash.
Also, unless they built a bridge for the road to cross over
itself, it's physically impossible for it to be a 200 degree
turn. Anything more than 180 and the road would cross back
over itself.
Given that everyone else not only made it through without
crashing, but also that everyone behind him managed to avoid
him, it obviously wasn't a case of everyone going "too damn
fast".
Also, Pogscsr's main advantate is his ability to spurt.
Jonas used to
have this too which allowed him to keep up with Pogachar
until he broke
him, but after his terrible accident, he hasn't had time
to build up to
this level again. I also think that the Visma teamn has
not been training
together this year. Wout Van Aert and Sepp Kuss are
REALLY below their
past marks.Mathew Jorgenson is really good and has years
ahead to improve.
Pog and Jonas are both at another level yes, Pog has to
the best of my
knowledge always had the better sprint, he?s suffered on
big hot climbs
before now,
what the fuck was tommy watching where he is seeing Pogacar
'spurt'?
that aside, Pogacar has always been the better sprinter over
Vingegaard. In fact, that was one of the comment early on in
the tour this year, how Jonas had been working on his
sprinting and anaerobic burst over the past year, and it
seems to have hurt his ability to stay Pogecar on the long
steady efforts.
and Jonas is still the better descender.
Nope, if you remember last years tour, Pogacar dropped Jonas
on a long descent. When asked about it after the stage, the
Visma DS Merijn Zeeman attributed it to pogacars addition 10
kilos.
The question of who might win might of been fairly clear
bar calamity but
it?s been quite a spectacular and interesting race, I?m
out tomorrow so be
catch up only, rather than watching a few hours.
EF Education has REALLY left a mark in the Tour this
year. That should
help get more sponsorship. They were on the very edge of
folding. Imagine
what they could have done with their team leader?
Roger Merriman
I think you're right that the road in question wasn't 200
degrees. But there certainly are >180 hairpin switchbacks:
https://www.dangerousroads.org/around-the-world/our-lists/4935-the-most-famous-hairpin-turns-roads.html
On 7/26/2025 5:27 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
Wa5tching the Tour yesterday, I noticed that the naration is getting more >>> and more away from what is actully happening. There was a "fall" which
was caused not by touching anyone but because eveyone is riding so damn
fast that they are all in the big ring and small cog. On on descent, one >>> group approached a 200 degree turn which slowed them up quite a bit and
then while trying to accelerate out of that one of the competitors pulled >>> out of his shoe. Maybe he fell over, I can't remember but I would hardly >>> classify that as a crash.
I assume you mean commentary which will depend on who your watching, the
footage is provided by French tv, and only they have control over that,
which just occasionally means it’s focused on a French interest rather than
the race at large.
It's amazing how tommy can watch the same thing everyone else is
watching and have a completely different narrative of the events.
He's referring to the crash by Gregor Mühlberger on the descent of the
Col du Glandon with about 90 Km to go. The narration and video were
pretty clear, he over-braked and his rear wheel slid out, then regained traction but the momentum flipped him over towards the outside of the
curve. He did indeed come down pretty hard. Yes, tommy, that's a crash.
Also, unless they built a bridge for the road to cross over itself, it's physically impossible for it to be a 200 degree turn. Anything more than
180 and the road would cross back over itself.
Given that everyone else not only made it through without crashing, but
also that everyone behind him managed to avoid him, it obviously wasn't
a case of everyone going "too damn fast".
Pog and Jonas are both at another level yes, Pog has to the best of my
Also, Pogscsr's main advantate is his ability to spurt. Jonas used to
have this too which allowed him to keep up with Pogachar until he broke
him, but after his terrible accident, he hasn't had time to build up to
this level again. I also think that the Visma teamn has not been training >>> together this year. Wout Van Aert and Sepp Kuss are REALLY below their
past marks.Mathew Jorgenson is really good and has years ahead to improve. >>
knowledge always had the better sprint, he’s suffered on big hot climbs
before now,
what the fuck was tommy watching where he is seeing Pogacar 'spurt'?
that aside, Pogacar has always been the better sprinter over Vingegaard.
In fact, that was one of the comment early on in the tour this year, how Jonas had been working on his sprinting and anaerobic burst over the
past year, and it seems to have hurt his ability to stay Pogecar on the
long steady efforts.
and Jonas is still the better descender.
Nope, if you remember last years tour, Pogacar dropped Jonas on a long descent. When asked about it after the stage, the Visma DS Merijn Zeeman attributed it to pogacars addition 10 kilos.
The question of who might win might of been fairly clear bar calamity but
it’s been quite a spectacular and interesting race, I’m out tomorrow so be
catch up only, rather than watching a few hours.
EF Education has REALLY left a mark in the Tour this year. That should
help get more sponsorship. They were on the very edge of folding. Imagine >>> what they could have done with their team leader?
Roger Merriman
zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 7/26/2025 5:27 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
Wa5tching the Tour yesterday, I noticed that the naration is getting more >>>> and more away from what is actully happening. There was a "fall" which >>>> was caused not by touching anyone but because eveyone is riding so damn >>>> fast that they are all in the big ring and small cog. On on descent, one >>>> group approached a 200 degree turn which slowed them up quite a bit and >>>> then while trying to accelerate out of that one of the competitors pulled >>>> out of his shoe. Maybe he fell over, I can't remember but I would hardly >>>> classify that as a crash.
I assume you mean commentary which will depend on who your watching, the >>> footage is provided by French tv, and only they have control over that,
which just occasionally means it’s focused on a French interest rather than
the race at large.
It's amazing how tommy can watch the same thing everyone else is
watching and have a completely different narrative of the events.
He's referring to the crash by Gregor Mühlberger on the descent of the
Col du Glandon with about 90 Km to go. The narration and video were
pretty clear, he over-braked and his rear wheel slid out, then regained
traction but the momentum flipped him over towards the outside of the
curve. He did indeed come down pretty hard. Yes, tommy, that's a crash.
Also, unless they built a bridge for the road to cross over itself, it's
physically impossible for it to be a 200 degree turn. Anything more than
180 and the road would cross back over itself.
Given that everyone else not only made it through without crashing, but
also that everyone behind him managed to avoid him, it obviously wasn't
a case of everyone going "too damn fast".
Pog and Jonas are both at another level yes, Pog has to the best of my
Also, Pogscsr's main advantate is his ability to spurt. Jonas used to
have this too which allowed him to keep up with Pogachar until he broke >>>> him, but after his terrible accident, he hasn't had time to build up to >>>> this level again. I also think that the Visma teamn has not been training >>>> together this year. Wout Van Aert and Sepp Kuss are REALLY below their >>>> past marks.Mathew Jorgenson is really good and has years ahead to improve. >>>
knowledge always had the better sprint, he’s suffered on big hot climbs >>> before now,
what the fuck was tommy watching where he is seeing Pogacar 'spurt'?
that aside, Pogacar has always been the better sprinter over Vingegaard.
In fact, that was one of the comment early on in the tour this year, how
Jonas had been working on his sprinting and anaerobic burst over the
past year, and it seems to have hurt his ability to stay Pogecar on the
long steady efforts.
and Jonas is still the better descender.
Nope, if you remember last years tour, Pogacar dropped Jonas on a long
descent. When asked about it after the stage, the Visma DS Merijn Zeeman
attributed it to pogacars addition 10 kilos.
He’s certainly out descending him this Tour or just taking more risks?
Both
to be honest look like they are in desperate need of cake!
On 7/26/2025 6:21 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 7/26/2025 5:27 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
Wa5tching the Tour yesterday, I noticed that the naration
is getting more
and more away from what is actully happening. There was a
"fall" which
was caused not by touching anyone but because eveyone is
riding so damn
fast that they are all in the big ring and small cog. On
on descent, one
group approached a 200 degree turn which slowed them up
quite a bit and
then while trying to accelerate out of that one of the
competitors pulled
out of his shoe. Maybe he fell over, I can't remember but
I would hardly
classify that as a crash.
I assume you mean commentary which will depend on who your
watching, the
footage is provided by French tv, and only they have
control over that,
which just occasionally means it?s focused on a French
interest rather than
the race at large.
It's amazing how tommy can watch the same thing everyone
else is watching and have a completely different narrative
of the events.
He's referring to the crash by Gregor M hlberger on the
descent of the Col du Glandon with about 90 Km to go. The
narration and video were pretty clear, he over-braked and
his rear wheel slid out, then regained traction but the
momentum flipped him over towards the outside of the curve.
He did indeed come down pretty hard. Yes, tommy, that's a
crash.
Also, unless they built a bridge for the road to cross over
itself, it's physically impossible for it to be a 200 degree
turn. Anything more than 180 and the road would cross back
over itself.
Given that everyone else not only made it through without
crashing, but also that everyone behind him managed to avoid
him, it obviously wasn't a case of everyone going "too damn
fast".
Also, Pogscsr's main advantate is his ability to spurt.
Jonas used to
have this too which allowed him to keep up with Pogachar
until he broke
him, but after his terrible accident, he hasn't had time
to build up to
this level again. I also think that the Visma teamn has
not been training
together this year. Wout Van Aert and Sepp Kuss are
REALLY below their
past marks.Mathew Jorgenson is really good and has years
ahead to improve.
Pog and Jonas are both at another level yes, Pog has to
the best of my
knowledge always had the better sprint, he?s suffered on
big hot climbs
before now,
what the fuck was tommy watching where he is seeing Pogacar
'spurt'?
that aside, Pogacar has always been the better sprinter over
Vingegaard. In fact, that was one of the comment early on in
the tour this year, how Jonas had been working on his
sprinting and anaerobic burst over the past year, and it
seems to have hurt his ability to stay Pogecar on the long
steady efforts.
and Jonas is still the better descender.
Nope, if you remember last years tour, Pogacar dropped Jonas
on a long descent. When asked about it after the stage, the
Visma DS Merijn Zeeman attributed it to pogacars addition 10
kilos.
The question of who might win might of been fairly clear
bar calamity but
it?s been quite a spectacular and interesting race, I?m
out tomorrow so be
catch up only, rather than watching a few hours.
EF Education has REALLY left a mark in the Tour this
year. That should
help get more sponsorship. They were on the very edge of
folding. Imagine
what they could have done with their team leader?
Roger Merriman
I think you're right that the road in question wasn't 200
degrees. But there certainly are >180 hairpin switchbacks:
https://www.dangerousroads.org/around-the-world/our-lists/4935-the-most-famous-hairpin-turns-roads.html
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