https://www.renehersecycles.com/introducing-the-worlds-lightest-front-derailleur/
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Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 12:45:22 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

https://www.renehersecycles.com/introducing-the-worlds-lightest-front-derailleur/

Why not go all the way? Reach down and lift the chain from one ring
to the other with your thumb and finger.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

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On 8/22/2025 1:25 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:

On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 12:45:22 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

https://www.renehersecycles.com/introducing-the-worlds-lightest-front-derailleur/

Why not go all the way? Reach down and lift the chain from one ring
to the other with your thumb and finger.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Well, yes.

IMHO lever fronts do shift better than any cable model.

--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 15:03:36 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 8/22/2025 1:25 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:

On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 12:45:22 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

https://www.renehersecycles.com/introducing-the-worlds-lightest-front-derailleur/

Why not go all the way? Reach down and lift the chain from one ring
to the other with your thumb and finger.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Well, yes.

IMHO lever fronts do shift better than any cable model.

Seems to me that there'd be some sort of a disadvantage to reaching
down to that lever while cranking to complete the shift. It would've
been for me being a bit on the awkward side.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

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AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 8/22/2025 1:25 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:

On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 12:45:22 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

https://www.renehersecycles.com/introducing-the-worlds-lightest-front-derailleur/

Why not go all the way? Reach down and lift the chain from one ring
to the other with your thumb and finger.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Well, yes.

IMHO lever fronts do shift better than any cable model.

No experience of lever activated front Mech’s all have been cable be that indexed or friction as the downtube shifter was.

Folks I know who have electronic do say it’s a better snapper feel, though again i’m sure they are correct but I’m not convinced it would be worth the cost for me.

Roger Merriman

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On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 15:03:36 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 8/22/2025 1:25 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:

On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 12:45:22 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

https://www.renehersecycles.com/introducing-the-worlds-lightest-front-derailleur/

Why not go all the way? Reach down and lift the chain from one ring
to the other with your thumb and finger.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Well, yes.

IMHO lever fronts do shift better than any cable model.

Long ago, I purchased a few boxes of bicycle junk parts. Included was
a Simplex shifter-derailleur. I think it was a clamp on mount, not
braze on. I didn't have a reason or time to try it. When I moved out
of the Pomona area, I gave it to someone who claimed they could use
it.

"HURET 1940s 'Suicide' Front Derailleur" <https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/huret-1940s-suicide-front-derailleur.196154/>
"These were called 'suicide' shifters before that term was identified
with down tube mounted shift levers when they came into more common
use."

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 16:48:03 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 15:03:36 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 8/22/2025 1:25 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:

On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 12:45:22 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

https://www.renehersecycles.com/introducing-the-worlds-lightest-front-derailleur/

Why not go all the way? Reach down and lift the chain from one ring
to the other with your thumb and finger.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Well, yes.

IMHO lever fronts do shift better than any cable model.

Seems to me that there'd be some sort of a disadvantage to reaching
down to that lever while cranking to complete the shift. It would've
been for me being a bit on the awkward side.

I used down tube shifters for years and yes, on a climb they can be a
bit unhandy.
--
cheers,

John B.

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On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 17:21:58 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 15:03:36 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 8/22/2025 1:25 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:

On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 12:45:22 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

https://www.renehersecycles.com/introducing-the-worlds-lightest-front-derailleur/

Why not go all the way? Reach down and lift the chain from one ring
to the other with your thumb and finger.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Well, yes.

IMHO lever fronts do shift better than any cable model.

Long ago, I purchased a few boxes of bicycle junk parts. Included was
a Simplex shifter-derailleur. I think it was a clamp on mount, not
braze on. I didn't have a reason or time to try it. When I moved out
of the Pomona area, I gave it to someone who claimed they could use
it.

"HURET 1940s 'Suicide' Front Derailleur" ><https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/huret-1940s-suicide-front-derailleur.196154/>
"These were called 'suicide' shifters before that term was identified
with down tube mounted shift levers when they came into more common
use."

I used down tube shifters for years and years with no problrms. While
I don't claim his level in skili Eddy Merckx was once asked if he
missed many shifts and he replied, "I havent missed a shift since I
was 5 years old".

--
cheers,

John B.

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On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 18:37:48 -0700, John B.
<jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:

On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 17:21:58 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 15:03:36 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 8/22/2025 1:25 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:

On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 12:45:22 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>

https://www.renehersecycles.com/introducing-the-worlds-lightest-front-derailleur/

Why not go all the way? Reach down and lift the chain from one ring
to the other with your thumb and finger.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Well, yes.

IMHO lever fronts do shift better than any cable model.

Long ago, I purchased a few boxes of bicycle junk parts. Included was
a Simplex shifter-derailleur. I think it was a clamp on mount, not
braze on. I didn't have a reason or time to try it. When I moved out
of the Pomona area, I gave it to someone who claimed they could use
it.

"HURET 1940s 'Suicide' Front Derailleur" >><https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/huret-1940s-suicide-front-derailleur.196154/>
"These were called 'suicide' shifters before that term was identified
with down tube mounted shift levers when they came into more common
use."

I used down tube shifters for years and years with no problrms. While
I don't claim his level in skili Eddy Merckx was once asked if he
missed many shifts and he replied, "I havent missed a shift since I
was 5 years old".

Downtube shifters are within easy reach. My Miyata 610: <https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/bicycles/Miyata-610.JPG>
However, the front "suicide" derailleur is mounted on the seat tube in
the normal position of the front derailleur. To reach that requires a
longer arm and more time to perform complete the shift (while looking
down instead of ahead). I haven't tried it, but I suspect it might be
rather awkward and dangerous.


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Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 19:28:24 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 18:37:48 -0700, John B.
<jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:

On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 17:21:58 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> >>wrote:

On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 15:03:36 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 8/22/2025 1:25 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:

On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 12:45:22 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>

https://www.renehersecycles.com/introducing-the-worlds-lightest-front-derailleur/

Why not go all the way? Reach down and lift the chain from one ring >>>>> to the other with your thumb and finger.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Well, yes.

IMHO lever fronts do shift better than any cable model.

Long ago, I purchased a few boxes of bicycle junk parts. Included was
a Simplex shifter-derailleur. I think it was a clamp on mount, not
braze on. I didn't have a reason or time to try it. When I moved out
of the Pomona area, I gave it to someone who claimed they could use
it.

"HURET 1940s 'Suicide' Front Derailleur" >>><https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/huret-1940s-suicide-front-derailleur.196154/>
"These were called 'suicide' shifters before that term was identified >>>with down tube mounted shift levers when they came into more common
use."

I used down tube shifters for years and years with no problrms. While
I don't claim his level in skili Eddy Merckx was once asked if he
missed many shifts and he replied, "I havent missed a shift since I
was 5 years old".

Downtube shifters are within easy reach. My Miyata 610: ><https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/bicycles/Miyata-610.JPG> >However, the front "suicide" derailleur is mounted on the seat tube in
the normal position of the front derailleur. To reach that requires a
longer arm and more time to perform complete the shift (while looking
down instead of ahead). I haven't tried it, but I suspect it might be
rather awkward and dangerous.

All that seems a bit complex had two shifter lever mounted on the
down tube. One shifted the front derailer and one the rear. I used
them on several bikes over quite a number of years.
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cheers,

John B.

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On 8/22/2025 9:28 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 18:37:48 -0700, John B.
<jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:

On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 17:21:58 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 15:03:36 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 8/22/2025 1:25 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:

On Fri, 22 Aug 2025 12:45:22 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>

https://www.renehersecycles.com/introducing-the-worlds-lightest-front-derailleur/

Why not go all the way? Reach down and lift the chain from one ring >>>>> to the other with your thumb and finger.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Well, yes.

IMHO lever fronts do shift better than any cable model.

Long ago, I purchased a few boxes of bicycle junk parts. Included was
a Simplex shifter-derailleur. I think it was a clamp on mount, not
braze on. I didn't have a reason or time to try it. When I moved out
of the Pomona area, I gave it to someone who claimed they could use
it.

"HURET 1940s 'Suicide' Front Derailleur"
<https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/huret-1940s-suicide-front-derailleur.196154/>
"These were called 'suicide' shifters before that term was identified
with down tube mounted shift levers when they came into more common
use."

I used down tube shifters for years and years with no problrms. While
I don't claim his level in skili Eddy Merckx was once asked if he
missed many shifts and he replied, "I havent missed a shift since I
was 5 years old".

Downtube shifters are within easy reach. My Miyata 610: <https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/bicycles/Miyata-610.JPG> However, the front "suicide" derailleur is mounted on the seat tube in
the normal position of the front derailleur. To reach that requires a
longer arm and more time to perform complete the shift (while looking
down instead of ahead). I haven't tried it, but I suspect it might be
rather awkward and dangerous.

There are variants. The lateral movement type, as Mr Heine's
product, are a little awkward. The helical drive types such
as later Hurets I have used, (shown in your link) are much
more convenient. Just not as much as EPS or e-Tap or Di2.

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Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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