• Innovation in cycling

    From AMuzi@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 28 17:28:16 2025
    Improvements are small and incremental now.

    https://bikerumor.com/shimano-spd-cleats-reimagined-with-multi-entry-step-in-engagment-35-years-later/
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mark J cleary@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Thu Aug 28 19:06:07 2025
    On 8/28/2025 6:50 PM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Thu Aug 28 17:28:16 2025 AMuzi wrote:
    Improvements are small and incremental now.

    https://bikerumor.com/shimano-spd-cleats-reimagined-with-multi-entry-step-in-engagment-35-years-later/




    I can't tell any difference, can you?
    Looks promising but I use road SPD SL so probably not something I can
    use. I will say that as long as I have used the SPD SL's I still at
    times have hesitation clipping in at times from a stop. Does anyone
    else. Not horrible but not smooth as butter either.

    --
    Deacon Mark

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 28 23:50:03 2025
    On Thu Aug 28 17:28:16 2025 AMuzi wrote:
    Improvements are small and incremental now.

    https://bikerumor.com/shimano-spd-cleats-reimagined-with-multi-entry-step-in-engagment-35-years-later/




    I can't tell any difference, can you?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Roger Merriman@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Fri Aug 29 07:03:51 2025
    cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Thu Aug 28 17:28:16 2025 AMuzi wrote:
    Improvements are small and incremental now.

    https://bikerumor.com/shimano-spd-cleats-reimagined-with-multi-entry-step-in-engagment-35-years-later/




    I can't tell any difference, can you?

    Since it’s highly unlikely you have a pair of the new cleats, which seem to be in reviewers hands at moment.

    I don’t use clippless though I did use SPD for a few years, be interesting
    to see if it does have easier entry from the side etc.

    I’m assuming it’s been looked at again due to Gravel bikes? Though it’s been very popular with MTBers and commuting folks.

    Roger Merriman

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Jeff Liebermann@21:1/5 to Roger Merriman on Fri Aug 29 07:37:53 2025
    On 29 Aug 2025 07:03:51 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

    cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Thu Aug 28 17:28:16 2025 AMuzi wrote:
    Improvements are small and incremental now.

    https://bikerumor.com/shimano-spd-cleats-reimagined-with-multi-entry-step-in-engagment-35-years-later/




    I can't tell any difference, can you?

    Since it’s highly unlikely you have a pair of the new cleats, which seem to >be in reviewers hands at moment.

    I don’t use clippless though I did use SPD for a few years, be interesting
    to see if it does have easier entry from the side etc.

    I’m assuming it’s been looked at again due to Gravel bikes? Though it’s
    been very popular with MTBers and commuting folks.

    Roger Merriman

    The bikerumor article suggests that Shimano is selling the new SPD
    cleats CL-MT001 on their web site. <https://ride.shimano.com/collections/cleats-all/products/cl-mt001>
    Hmmm... No reviews yet. Apparently, they're also giving them away
    because the listed price is $0.00 also known as free.


    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Wolfgang Strobl@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 29 16:54:08 2025
    Am 29 Aug 2025 07:03:51 GMT schrieb Roger Merriman
    <roger@sarlet.com>:
    https://bikerumor.com/shimano-spd-cleats-reimagined-with-multi-entry-step-in-engagment-35-years-later/
    ...


    Quoting from that article

    "Now, how about who’s been riding clipped-into SPDs since around
    1995/96? That’ll be a couple more of you, and now includes me."

    It includes me, too. I bought my first set of SPD pedals, shoes
    and cleats, together with a new Panasonic PR 3000 in a local shop
    in 1995. I still own that bike, but haven't used it for more
    than an occasional test ride after 2010, mainly because I've I
    bought a new road bike in early 2010.

    I still prefer SPD pedals for all my rides on bicylces with drop
    bars. I used shoes from Gaere for my commute during winter and
    even bought a pair of sandals with SPD cleats during an
    especially hot summer.


    I don’t use clippless though I did use SPD for a few years, be interesting >to see if it does have easier entry from the side etc.

    I’m assuming it’s been looked at again due to Gravel bikes? Though it’s >been very popular with MTBers and commuting folks.

    In general, it is popular with people who like to be able to
    walk, without the need to change shoes. Availability of office
    compatible shoes is a benefit, too.

    --
    Thank you for observing all safety precautions

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to Wolfgang Strobl on Fri Aug 29 10:09:18 2025
    On 8/29/2025 9:54 AM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
    Am 29 Aug 2025 07:03:51 GMT schrieb Roger Merriman
    <roger@sarlet.com>:
    https://bikerumor.com/shimano-spd-cleats-reimagined-with-multi-entry-step-in-engagment-35-years-later/
    ...


    Quoting from that article

    "Now, how about who’s been riding clipped-into SPDs since around
    1995/96? That’ll be a couple more of you, and now includes me."

    It includes me, too. I bought my first set of SPD pedals, shoes
    and cleats, together with a new Panasonic PR 3000 in a local shop
    in 1995. I still own that bike, but haven't used it for more
    than an occasional test ride after 2010, mainly because I've I
    bought a new road bike in early 2010.

    I still prefer SPD pedals for all my rides on bicylces with drop
    bars. I used shoes from Gaere for my commute during winter and
    even bought a pair of sandals with SPD cleats during an
    especially hot summer.


    I don’t use clippless though I did use SPD for a few years, be interesting >> to see if it does have easier entry from the side etc.

    I’m assuming it’s been looked at again due to Gravel bikes? Though it’s
    been very popular with MTBers and commuting folks.

    In general, it is popular with people who like to be able to
    walk, without the need to change shoes. Availability of office
    compatible shoes is a benefit, too.


    I was very happy with toeclips and my original SiDi Titanium
    shoes until I lost the leather shoes in an unfortunate
    incident in 1986. Switched to nylon sole SiDi shoes with
    Look and never went back, for the road bike.

    All my other bikes have toeclips which are ideal for shorter
    rides in leather soled street shoes.

    That said, my perusal of bicycle in large numbers shows that
    most riders with retention* use SPD and copies, like you.
    Road clipless are a distant second with toeclips now a
    vanishingly small number.

    *plain platform pedals are 90%+ of all bicycles

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Catrike Ryder@21:1/5 to AMuzi on Fri Aug 29 12:00:22 2025
    On Fri, 29 Aug 2025 10:09:18 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 8/29/2025 9:54 AM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
    Am 29 Aug 2025 07:03:51 GMT schrieb Roger Merriman
    <roger@sarlet.com>:
    https://bikerumor.com/shimano-spd-cleats-reimagined-with-multi-entry-step-in-engagment-35-years-later/
    ...


    Quoting from that article

    "Now, how about who’s been riding clipped-into SPDs since around
    1995/96? That’ll be a couple more of you, and now includes me."

    It includes me, too. I bought my first set of SPD pedals, shoes
    and cleats, together with a new Panasonic PR 3000 in a local shop
    in 1995. I still own that bike, but haven't used it for more
    than an occasional test ride after 2010, mainly because I've I
    bought a new road bike in early 2010.

    I still prefer SPD pedals for all my rides on bicylces with drop
    bars. I used shoes from Gaere for my commute during winter and
    even bought a pair of sandals with SPD cleats during an
    especially hot summer.


    I don’t use clippless though I did use SPD for a few years, be interesting >>> to see if it does have easier entry from the side etc.

    I’m assuming it’s been looked at again due to Gravel bikes? Though it’s
    been very popular with MTBers and commuting folks.

    In general, it is popular with people who like to be able to
    walk, without the need to change shoes. Availability of office
    compatible shoes is a benefit, too.


    I was very happy with toeclips and my original SiDi Titanium
    shoes until I lost the leather shoes in an unfortunate
    incident in 1986. Switched to nylon sole SiDi shoes with
    Look and never went back, for the road bike.

    All my other bikes have toeclips which are ideal for shorter
    rides in leather soled street shoes.

    That said, my perusal of bicycle in large numbers shows that
    most riders with retention* use SPD and copies, like you.
    Road clipless are a distant second with toeclips now a
    vanishingly small number.

    *plain platform pedals are 90%+ of all bicycles

    It took a while to get used to not being clipped in, but now I'm very
    happy with the heel sling pedals that keep my feet from slipping down
    off the pedals and under the Catrike'a crassarms. I like being able to
    ride in any kind of shoe. I wear sandals in warm weather.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Roger Merriman@21:1/5 to Catrike Ryder on Fri Aug 29 16:50:51 2025
    Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Aug 2025 10:09:18 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

    On 8/29/2025 9:54 AM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
    Am 29 Aug 2025 07:03:51 GMT schrieb Roger Merriman
    <roger@sarlet.com>:
    https://bikerumor.com/shimano-spd-cleats-reimagined-with-multi-entry-step-in-engagment-35-years-later/
    ...


    Quoting from that article

    "Now, how about whoÂ’s been riding clipped-into SPDs since around
    1995/96? ThatÂ’ll be a couple more of you, and now includes me."

    It includes me, too. I bought my first set of SPD pedals, shoes
    and cleats, together with a new Panasonic PR 3000 in a local shop
    in 1995. I still own that bike, but haven't used it for more
    than an occasional test ride after 2010, mainly because I've I
    bought a new road bike in early 2010.

    I still prefer SPD pedals for all my rides on bicylces with drop
    bars. I used shoes from Gaere for my commute during winter and
    even bought a pair of sandals with SPD cleats during an
    especially hot summer.


    I donÂ’t use clippless though I did use SPD for a few years, be interesting
    to see if it does have easier entry from the side etc.

    IÂ’m assuming itÂ’s been looked at again due to Gravel bikes? Though itÂ’s >>>> been very popular with MTBers and commuting folks.

    In general, it is popular with people who like to be able to
    walk, without the need to change shoes. Availability of office
    compatible shoes is a benefit, too.


    I was very happy with toeclips and my original SiDi Titanium
    shoes until I lost the leather shoes in an unfortunate
    incident in 1986. Switched to nylon sole SiDi shoes with
    Look and never went back, for the road bike.

    All my other bikes have toeclips which are ideal for shorter
    rides in leather soled street shoes.

    That said, my perusal of bicycle in large numbers shows that
    most riders with retention* use SPD and copies, like you.
    Road clipless are a distant second with toeclips now a
    vanishingly small number.

    *plain platform pedals are 90%+ of all bicycles

    It took a while to get used to not being clipped in, but now I'm very
    happy with the heel sling pedals that keep my feet from slipping down
    off the pedals and under the Catrike'a crassarms. I like being able to
    ride in any kind of shoe. I wear sandals in warm weather.

    Shimano has some long serving SPD Sandals, if one was so inclined, not an
    issue for yourself but for my riding I’d be concerned about rock strikes!

    My main cycling shoes are armoured against such stuff.

    --
    C'est bon
    Soloman


    Roger Merriman

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Roger Merriman@21:1/5 to Wolfgang Strobl on Fri Aug 29 16:50:50 2025
    Wolfgang Strobl <news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
    Am 29 Aug 2025 07:03:51 GMT schrieb Roger Merriman
    <roger@sarlet.com>:
    https://bikerumor.com/shimano-spd-cleats-reimagined-with-multi-entry-step-in-engagment-35-years-later/
    ...


    Quoting from that article

    "Now, how about who’s been riding clipped-into SPDs since around
    1995/96? That’ll be a couple more of you, and now includes me."

    It includes me, too. I bought my first set of SPD pedals, shoes
    and cleats, together with a new Panasonic PR 3000 in a local shop
    in 1995. I still own that bike, but haven't used it for more
    than an occasional test ride after 2010, mainly because I've I
    bought a new road bike in early 2010.

    I still prefer SPD pedals for all my rides on bicylces with drop
    bars. I used shoes from Gaere for my commute during winter and
    even bought a pair of sandals with SPD cleats during an
    especially hot summer.


    I don’t use clippless though I did use SPD for a few years, be interesting >> to see if it does have easier entry from the side etc.

    I’m assuming it’s been looked at again due to Gravel bikes? Though it’s
    been very popular with MTBers and commuting folks.

    In general, it is popular with people who like to be able to
    walk, without the need to change shoes. Availability of office
    compatible shoes is a benefit, too.

    One of the advantages of MTB flats particularly the shimano ones is they
    are fine on/off the bike don’t look out of place, look like skate shoes or similar but quite a bit more durable.

    No click from the SPD cleat and generally less skating on hard wet
    surfaces, though less good on muddy surfaces.

    Which is why folks like SPD over other forms of clipless for MTB/Gravel
    ability to work in the slop!

    Roger Merriman

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 30 15:09:08 2025
    On Fri Aug 29 07:03:51 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
    cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Thu Aug 28 17:28:16 2025 AMuzi wrote:
    Improvements are small and incremental now.

    https://bikerumor.com/shimano-spd-cleats-reimagined-with-multi-entry-step-in-engagment-35-years-later/




    I can't tell any difference, can you?

    Since it?s highly unlikely you have a pair of the new cleats, which seem to be in reviewers hands at moment.

    I don?t use clippless though I did use SPD for a few years, be interesting
    to see if it does have easier entry from the side etc.

    I?m assuming it?s been looked at again due to Gravel bikes? Though it?s
    been very popular with MTBers and commuting folks.




    I saw a picture of a new Shimano off-road SpD shoe with a cleat on it that looked nothing like the SpD cleats we're used to. So I donder if the pictures we were shown were just stock photos.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to cyclintom on Sat Aug 30 10:28:09 2025
    On 8/30/2025 10:09 AM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Fri Aug 29 07:03:51 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
    cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Thu Aug 28 17:28:16 2025 AMuzi wrote:
    Improvements are small and incremental now.

    https://bikerumor.com/shimano-spd-cleats-reimagined-with-multi-entry-step-in-engagment-35-years-later/




    I can't tell any difference, can you?

    Since it?s highly unlikely you have a pair of the new cleats, which seem to >> be in reviewers hands at moment.

    I don?t use clippless though I did use SPD for a few years, be interesting >> to see if it does have easier entry from the side etc.

    I?m assuming it?s been looked at again due to Gravel bikes? Though it?s
    been very popular with MTBers and commuting folks.




    I saw a picture of a new Shimano off-road SpD shoe with a cleat on it that looked nothing like the SpD cleats we're used to. So I donder if the pictures we were shown were just stock photos.

    Note fifth image:

    https://bikerumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/modified-Shimano-SPD-cleats-to-try-out-new-CL-MT001-multi-entry-engagement-1200x675.jpg

    The left cleat in image shows a SH-51 cleat modified to look
    like the not yet available new model. Note shiny area where
    material was removed.

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 1 23:46:21 2025
    On Sat Aug 30 10:28:09 2025 AMuzi wrote:
    On 8/30/2025 10:09 AM, cyclintom wrote:
    On Fri Aug 29 07:03:51 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
    cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Thu Aug 28 17:28:16 2025 AMuzi wrote:
    Improvements are small and incremental now.

    https://bikerumor.com/shimano-spd-cleats-reimagined-with-multi-entry-step-in-engagment-35-years-later/




    I can't tell any difference, can you?

    Since it?s highly unlikely you have a pair of the new cleats, which seem to
    be in reviewers hands at moment.

    I don?t use clippless though I did use SPD for a few years, be interesting >> to see if it does have easier entry from the side etc.

    I?m assuming it?s been looked at again due to Gravel bikes? Though it?s
    been very popular with MTBers and commuting folks.




    I saw a picture of a new Shimano off-road SpD shoe with a cleat on it that looked nothing like the SpD cleats we're used to. So I donder if the pictures we were shown were just stock photos.

    Note fifth image:

    https://bikerumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/modified-Shimano-SPD-cleats-to-try-out-new-CL-MT001-multi-entry-engagement-1200x675.jpg

    The left cleat in image shows a SH-51 cleat modified to look
    like the not yet available new model. Note shiny area where
    material was removed.




    That looks like what I would expect an improvement to look like. But the clear on the bottom of Shimano off-road shoe looked just like the central area of the present cleats. I have no idea how that could ever clip in but then perhaps it was for some
    other sort of pedal.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)