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  • What Fuels Dutch Female Cyclists?

    From Kenneth Litwak@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 2 20:39:18 2020
    I can't help wondering how Dutch female cyclists can be so successful all the time. It's practically the case that if van Vleuten is in a race, everyone might as well go home because they can't possibly win. I don't see women from any other nation
    dominating race after race, year after year, the way the Dutch women do. I don't have exhaustive statistics to prove my point but it seems every time I watch a race that has Dutch women in it, I can guess who will win without much effort.

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  • From Kenneth Litwak@21:1/5 to Kenneth Litwak on Tue Oct 6 15:28:34 2020
    After seeing Anna van der Breggen's huge margin of victory at the World Championship road race, I thought of Lance Armstrong and also Chris Fromme's huge lead up a climb in the Giro a few years ago (his lawyer kept him being banned for drug use). Both of
    those guys used drugs that enhanced their performance. Van der Breggan may just be Wonder Woman but what she did would not happen in a men's race and it was a stunning victory.


    On Friday, October 2, 2020 at 8:39:20 PM UTC-7, Kenneth Litwak wrote:
    I can't help wondering how Dutch female cyclists can be so successful all the time. It's practically the case that if van Vleuten is in a race, everyone might as well go home because they can't possibly win. I don't see women from any other nation
    dominating race after race, year after year, the way the Dutch women do. I don't have exhaustive statistics to prove my point but it seems every time I watch a race that has Dutch women in it, I can guess who will win without much effort.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Kenneth Litwak on Wed Oct 7 01:03:44 2020
    On Tue, 06 Oct 2020 15:28:34 -0700, Kenneth Litwak wrote:

    After seeing Anna van der Breggen's huge margin of victory at the World Championship road race, I thought of Lance Armstrong and also Chris
    Fromme's huge lead up a climb in the Giro a few years ago (his lawyer
    kept him being banned for drug use). Both of those guys used drugs that enhanced their performance. Van der Breggan may just be Wonder Woman
    but what she did would not happen in a men's race and it was a stunning victory.

    Total bollocks.
    They dont need drugs, as they have got a quality training system in
    place. Think of the SKY team 5-8 years ago, everyone was saying they must
    all be doping, yet it has now been revealed some of the secrets their
    Coaches knew, all about tapering for a race, and getting the training
    right to peak for that forthcoming race. I read one this week, one rider
    did a 4 hour training session on the bike, at a high level, after that he
    had to do a 20km run. What other teams do / did that?
    'Dont see it in mens races' - ever watched the tour, and a late breakaway?
    It happens 4 or more times during every tour. It isnt that the leaders
    are 50% better than the others, they make a small gain, increase it
    slightly, then the chasing group start messing around with no focus on
    catching the breakaway, so the lead gets insurmountable, hence they only
    keep to their one pace, so the leaders stay away.

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  • From Kenneth Litwak@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Nov 23 17:42:00 2020
    So, is it training alone that has led Vos and van der Breggen own Fleche Wallone since 2007? Training alone has Dutch women winning six of the last ten UCI word championships road race? If this is training only, then all the coaches of other women's
    trade teams and the national team coaches should all be fired. If it's only training, why don't other nations have such stunning results? I could be wrong but the results are pretty amazing. Van der Breggen has won' Fleche Wallone more times than either
    Valverde or Merckx. That's remarkable. Why don't other cyclists copy the same training program?

    On Tuesday, October 6, 2020 at 11:03:46 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On Tue, 06 Oct 2020 15:28:34 -0700, Kenneth Litwak wrote:

    After seeing Anna van der Breggen's huge margin of victory at the World Championship road race, I thought of Lance Armstrong and also Chris Fromme's huge lead up a climb in the Giro a few years ago (his lawyer
    kept him being banned for drug use). Both of those guys used drugs that enhanced their performance. Van der Breggan may just be Wonder Woman
    but what she did would not happen in a men's race and it was a stunning victory.
    Total bollocks.
    They dont need drugs, as they have got a quality training system in
    place. Think of the SKY team 5-8 years ago, everyone was saying they must all be doping, yet it has now been revealed some of the secrets their Coaches knew, all about tapering for a race, and getting the training
    right to peak for that forthcoming race. I read one this week, one rider
    did a 4 hour training session on the bike, at a high level, after that he had to do a 20km run. What other teams do / did that?
    'Dont see it in mens races' - ever watched the tour, and a late breakaway? It happens 4 or more times during every tour. It isnt that the leaders
    are 50% better than the others, they make a small gain, increase it slightly, then the chasing group start messing around with no focus on catching the breakaway, so the lead gets insurmountable, hence they only keep to their one pace, so the leaders stay away.

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  • From William Henderson@21:1/5 to Kenneth Litwak on Sat Mar 6 14:59:09 2021
    Kenneth Litwak <kennethdlitwak@gmail.com> writes:

    So, is it training alone that has led Vos and van der Breggen own
    Fleche Wallone since 2007? Training alone has Dutch women winning six
    of the last ten UCI word championships road race? If this is training
    only, then all the coaches of other women's trade teams and the
    national team coaches should all be fired. If it's only training, why
    don't other nations have such stunning results? I could be wrong but
    the results are pretty amazing. Van der Breggen has won' Fleche
    Wallone more times than either Valverde or Merckx. That's
    remarkable. Why don't other cyclists copy the same training program?

    Lamenting Jeannie Longo

    --
    William Henderson
    aka Slackrat
    http://billh.sdf.org/slackware.jpg
    9HS5203 ON HamSphere Ham Radio

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