• Re: 250 LbsRe: How Big Is The Disc

    From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Fri Jun 6 18:25:02 2025
    On 6/6/2025 4:58 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:101vgi6$2f05q$1@dont-email.me...

    I might still want a jib crane in the shop...

    Anyway, what diameter is the disc on a fifth wheel trailer?  Not the horseshoe int he back of the truck.  The disc that slides into it.  The fifth wheel I'll need to move a few times yet is 60 miles away, so I
    can't just walk outside and measure it.
    Bob La Londe

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    The welding and fab shop I use for jobs beyond my equipment's capacity
    has their jib crane outdoors, beside the overhead door where it can load trucks.

    If I had much heavy lifting and moving to do on a hard level surface I'd
    pick a height-adjustable rolling gantry, low for indoors and high to
    load trucks. The tripod-supported gantry I built for offroad can be
    adapted to rolling on asphalt with temporary inverted T wood uprights
    and diagonal braces. It can have wheeled trailer jacks mounted at their proper height up on the diagonals as retractable casters.

    Tripod end supports have some advantages like being free standing so the
    beam ends can be winched up. I don't think they would be stable enough
    on wheels, unless braced to the beam which changes the leg loading from
    axial to cantilevered and increases their necessary weight.

    I have an electric hoist but prefer the fine height control of a manual chainfall. It can support enough of a 2000 Lb load to push it into
    position by hand. An engine load leveler can be used as a sling spreader. https://www.harborfreight.com/2-ton-capacity-load-leveler-60659.html?

    As I understand it, this is erected by assembling it flat and then
    pulling the feet in with the hoist to raise one end at a time. https://us.reidlifting.com/porta-gantry

    When I had to set up my gantry in an awkward cramped space I lifted the
    beam onto sawhorses with the platform stacker, then to stepladder height
    on cribbing etc on the platform. Another way is to place a folding A
    frame ladder crosswise at the beam center and set short planks across
    the first rungs down, them slide and balance the beam onto the planks.
    After connecting the ends, remove the planks and lift the ladder over
    the beam. Since mine is made from back to back channels I have to lift
    only 1/2 the weight for 8' or 1/4 for 16' beam length. A one-piece beam
    would be better structurally  if you can handle and store it. The
    channels nest together and take up very little floor space standing on
    end in a corner of a shed.


    I've used many a 2x4 as a load spreader to keep from damaging an engine
    lifting it with chains to the head bolts. My dad might have had a load spreader / engine leveler around somewhere, but I have not run across it
    yet.

    I still want a gantry crane, but they are either way more expensive than
    I think they should be or don't fit my exact specifications. I'm going
    to have to build one. Fortunately on a previous visit to my parents
    commercial property to haul away an old vehicle and do some repairs I
    found what looks like plenty of I beam to do the job.

    A jig crane near the door (I was thinking just inside to protect the
    hydraulics would be nice, but it comes after a gantry crane. Another
    smaller one over the South Bend Mill and Precision Mathews lathe too.

    I use whatever is easiest for lifting. I looked everywhere for my dad's
    old chain fall, and after I bought one I finally found his in one of his
    old trucks. I've got multiple cable pullers, a tractor with front
    implement forks, & 2 chain falls now. LOL. Pulling a burned out
    compressor out of an AC condensing unit works really well with a
    straight pick across the rungs of a 12 foot step ladder and a cable
    puller. Whatever works. I sold an old Cummins engine a while back and
    loaded it with a tiny little cable puller, a giant cheater bar, and an
    old steel A-frame that barely fit around the bed of the truck. It was
    all I had at that location. Whatever works.

    Well back to work. The last set of steel shelves finally arrived for my
    40' container shelving. It's hot outside and there is no air flow in
    the container, so I am in the office just finishing off an ice tea after hanging two of the four shelves int he existing frames. Like I said,
    back to work, in a minute. Stop pushing. I'll go. Really.


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    CNC Molds N Stuff

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  • From Leon Fisk@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Sat Jun 7 16:35:11 2025
    On Sat, 7 Jun 2025 09:47:58 -0400
    "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip>
    lever chain hoists of 1/4, 1/2, 3/4, 1
    and 2 tons...

    I've looked at these off and on. Have several cable come-a-longs and a
    larger winch good for a couple tons. But they all use cables which have
    their stretchy drawbacks...

    Have you been able to determine if some of the more affordable versions
    are built well enough by now? The reviews for the HF models aren't good
    enough in my opinion. The high end models are a bit more than I'd
    like to spend with no particular use in mind, other than a future
    problem solver. The 1 to 2 ton range would be the likely candidates.

    Just some names to watch for deals on both new and used for when
    I'm feeling flush🙂

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    Leon Fisk
    Grand Rapids MI

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  • From Leon Fisk@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Sun Jun 8 10:45:40 2025
    On Sun, 8 Jun 2025 08:04:00 -0400
    "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip>
    After using the manual lever hoist once to free the stuck tractor I bought >an electric winch. If the ground is firm enough the lever hoist and tripod >can lift a wheel above the root or rock that caught it, then the winch pulls >past it.

    Yeah, using them for long pulls is a bit tedious. At least it wasn't
    one of those Hi-Lift Jacks. Have to be pretty desperate to use one of
    them to unstick your Jeep from a mud hole you shouldn't have attempted😉

    Thanks for the info/review for your lever hoists. I'd not noticed them
    having different features before for neutral and such. Jet was one I
    had thought to be somewhat on the high end. Though it sounds like it
    may well be worth it.

    I'll keep watch for a deal with your thoughts in mind👍

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    Grand Rapids MI

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  • From Leon Fisk@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Sun Jun 8 13:57:01 2025
    On Sun, 8 Jun 2025 13:20:31 -0400
    "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip>
    I'm more able than most to remedy/improve things I don't like by machining >or rewiring, rather than returning it, unless there's a good alternative >elsewhere. These days a different brand at higher price may come from the >same Chinese factory.

    I do the same. Often play the Ebay game, figuring an item maybe fine or
    maybe I'll have to fix it. It's my way of gambling. Most of the time
    it's a win and the times it's not I'm not out any money I'd not planned
    on losing anyway.

    I read through the HF reviews to find what people are complaining
    about. Often times it's something to be expected from said item at the
    price point. Other times you can tell it won't hold up to what you want
    to do with it and I'll look elsewhere...

    I do appreciate your thoughts on stuff, always well thought out and
    honest👍

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    Grand Rapids MI

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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Leon Fisk on Sun Jun 8 12:57:51 2025
    On 6/8/2025 10:57 AM, Leon Fisk wrote:
    On Sun, 8 Jun 2025 13:20:31 -0400
    "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip>
    I'm more able than most to remedy/improve things I don't like by machining >> or rewiring, rather than returning it, unless there's a good alternative
    elsewhere. These days a different brand at higher price may come from the
    same Chinese factory.

    I do the same. Often play the Ebay game, figuring an item maybe fine or
    maybe I'll have to fix it. It's my way of gambling. Most of the time
    it's a win and the times it's not I'm not out any money I'd not planned
    on losing anyway.

    I read through the HF reviews to find what people are complaining
    about. Often times it's something to be expected from said item at the
    price point. Other times you can tell it won't hold up to what you want
    to do with it and I'll look elsewhere...

    I do appreciate your thoughts on stuff, always well thought out and honest👍



    I used the "most expensive" Harbor Freight cable puller for years, and
    it worked great. It did finally have some failures, damage would be
    more accurate, but it was due to gross abuse on my part. Still I looked
    for something "better." The one I moved the container with is a Jet, I believe, and it has also been abused, but not for so many years just
    yet. It seems to be holding up just fine. I would not touch the Tekton
    brand cable pullers. The ratchet pall/catch looks like cast crap, and
    they have negative reviews about that very part. I'm not sure where my
    Harbor Freight puller is these days, but at least in memory it looks
    about the same as the much more expensive Jet.




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  • From Leon Fisk@21:1/5 to Bob La Londe on Sun Jun 8 17:39:14 2025
    On Sun, 8 Jun 2025 12:57:51 -0700
    Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> wrote:

    I used the "most expensive" Harbor Freight cable puller for years, and
    it worked great. It did finally have some failures, damage would be
    more accurate, but it was due to gross abuse on my part. Still I looked
    for something "better." The one I moved the container with is a Jet, I >believe, and it has also been abused, but not for so many years just
    yet. It seems to be holding up just fine. I would not touch the Tekton >brand cable pullers. The ratchet pall/catch looks like cast crap, and
    they have negative reviews about that very part. I'm not sure where my >Harbor Freight puller is these days, but at least in memory it looks
    about the same as the much more expensive Jet.

    As I'm sure you've figured out, the HF quality can change in the blink
    of an eye for both better or worse. The Lot # is a clue. When the
    number changes so does the product...

    I've a couple small single cable pullers I use for easy stuff. Like
    when another human pulling on a rope would be helpful but not
    much more. I've a brand new 4000 lb double cable version that Dad
    bought but haven't needed to try out. It might be pretty good seeing
    he's been dead near 20 years now.

    I've a larger winch with 5/16, maybe 3/8 cable on it that I've pulled
    vehicles out with. Something Dad made or found many years ago. It's
    seen a lot of use and still works okay. Has two speeds on it by moving
    the handle to a different gear end. Grease fittings too.

    Thanks for your warning and thoughts👍️

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    Leon Fisk
    Grand Rapids MI

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