• Man wearing heavy metallic necklace dies after being sucked into MRI ma

    From Joe Gwinn@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 23 12:30:53 2025
    FYI.

    Man wearing heavy metallic necklace dies after being sucked into MRI
    machine, Madeline Halpert, BBC, 21 July 2025.

    .<https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2n39dvp0po>

    Freak accident for sure, but MRI magnets are *exceedingly* strong, and
    no they cannot be turned off.

    Joe

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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Joe Gwinn on Wed Jul 23 15:52:44 2025
    On 7/23/2025 9:30 AM, Joe Gwinn wrote:
    FYI.

    Man wearing heavy metallic necklace dies after being sucked into MRI
    machine, Madeline Halpert, BBC, 21 July 2025.

    .<https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2n39dvp0po>

    Freak accident for sure, but MRI magnets are *exceedingly* strong, and
    no they cannot be turned off.

    Joe


    I saw that headline. Didn't read it.



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  • From danny burstein@21:1/5 to Joe Gwinn on Wed Jul 23 22:48:47 2025
    In <a9328ktck8aaea6p37a9lvvkmtb9gqb7st@4ax.com> Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> writes:

    FYI.

    Man wearing heavy metallic necklace dies after being sucked into MRI
    machine, Madeline Halpert, BBC, 21 July 2025.

    .<https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2n39dvp0po>

    Freak accident for sure, but MRI magnets are *exceedingly* strong, and
    no they cannot be turned off.

    Umm, yes, they can. An emergency shutdown is very expensive...


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  • From Joe Gwinn@21:1/5 to dannyb@panix.com on Wed Jul 23 19:41:26 2025
    On Wed, 23 Jul 2025 22:48:47 -0000 (UTC), danny burstein
    <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:

    In <a9328ktck8aaea6p37a9lvvkmtb9gqb7st@4ax.com> Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> writes:

    FYI.

    Man wearing heavy metallic necklace dies after being sucked into MRI >>machine, Madeline Halpert, BBC, 21 July 2025.

    .<https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2n39dvp0po>

    Freak accident for sure, but MRI magnets are *exceedingly* strong, and
    no they cannot be turned off.

    Umm, yes, they can. An emergency shutdown is very expensive...

    How long does it take?

    Joe

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  • From Joe Gwinn@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 23 19:42:57 2025
    On Wed, 23 Jul 2025 15:52:44 -0700, Bob La Londe <none@none.com99>
    wrote:

    On 7/23/2025 9:30 AM, Joe Gwinn wrote:
    FYI.

    Man wearing heavy metallic necklace dies after being sucked into MRI
    machine, Madeline Halpert, BBC, 21 July 2025.

    .<https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2n39dvp0po>

    Freak accident for sure, but MRI magnets are *exceedingly* strong, and
    no they cannot be turned off.

    Joe


    I saw that headline. Didn't read it.

    You should. It's short and free. And not so many folk realize that
    those warnings are not just safety nuts nattering.

    Joe

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  • From Carl@21:1/5 to Joe Gwinn on Thu Jul 24 01:32:42 2025
    On 7/23/25 7:41 PM, Joe Gwinn wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Jul 2025 22:48:47 -0000 (UTC), danny burstein
    <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:

    In <a9328ktck8aaea6p37a9lvvkmtb9gqb7st@4ax.com> Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> writes:

    FYI.

    Man wearing heavy metallic necklace dies after being sucked into MRI
    machine, Madeline Halpert, BBC, 21 July 2025.

    .<https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2n39dvp0po>

    Freak accident for sure, but MRI magnets are *exceedingly* strong, and
    no they cannot be turned off.

    Umm, yes, they can. An emergency shutdown is very expensive...

    How long does it take?

    Joe

    I did an emergency discharge on a 3 tesla 6" room temperature bore
    supercon once in grad school. There was a vacuum leak in the cryostat
    and the boiloff rates had gotten high enough that it had to be shut down
    and we didn't have a power supply to do it. We were trying to borrow a
    supply from the system vendor but couldn't get one in time. Oxford had
    an emergency procedure in the manual that used cross coupled stud diodes
    rated for the main coil current (30 or 40 amps?) on a heat sink along
    with a little dc supply and clip leads to energize all the shim and main
    coil superconducting switches. Took us an hour to scrounge the parts
    and a few minutes to get the charging wand inserted and connected. The
    actual discharge took about 20 minutes for the field to be weak enough
    that you couldn't feel it tug on a screwdriver held against the side of
    the cryostat (not inside the bore). We let it go 2 or 3 hours just to
    be safe, then burped a small hit of helium gas into the cryostat to
    spoil the vacuum and boil off the rest of the LN2 and LHe. It was all
    room temp a week or two later when we tore it down to replace the magnet.

    That was back in the early 1980's. I've seen pics of MRI machines with
    the diodes on a heat sink hung on the cryostat along with a discharge
    cable for the charging wand that already had all the superconducting
    switch leads tied together and a 5 volt power supply for the switch
    heaters so it was all ready to go in case of an emergency. That plus
    the normal charging wand and down it comes. An MRI magnet would have a
    lot more stored energy than our little 3 T magnet so I'd guess at least
    an hour or two to get the field down to where you could remove a large
    iron object like a fire extinguisher (or a person with a large ferrous
    necklace :-)) and 24 hours to be sure it was completely discharged.

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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Thu Jul 24 09:57:53 2025
    On 7/23/2025 6:14 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Joe Gwinn"  wrote in message news:lps28k5hvrp6iegkb1slf45g4a7j7qifil@4ax.com...

    ..  And not so many folk realize that
    those warnings are not just safety nuts nattering.

    Joe

    ------------------------
    https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/mri-safety

    In addition to the magnetic field that attracts iron, an MRI has a
    strong RF field that can heat a metal conductor even if it isn't magnetic. https://mriquestions.com/radiofrequency-waves.html
    "The amplifiers used in modern MR systems typically produce peak power
    in the range of 10-30 kW.."



    That second part is interesting. I have one titanium rod, four titanium
    pins, maybe some brass fragments in my leg (mostly removed), and had a
    couple pins in my two front teeth, but they may have been mostly removed
    when I had porcelain crowns done.

    I have been inside an MRI machine, but the order of things escapes me.
    Time and temporal juxtaposition is a bit of a blur for some things in my
    life.

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  • From danny burstein@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Thu Jul 24 22:45:46 2025
    In <105s0c2$15m9u$1@dont-email.me> "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> writes:

    [snip]

    I used that tech in an NMR machine while a chemist. The magnetic field was
    of similar strength, 1.4 Teslas, and would bend the blade of a knife held >near it.

    NMR is Nuclear Magnetic Resonance, a name that had to be changed for medical >use to avoid frightening patients.

    THANK YOU for using the proper name!

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